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On May 19 2011 18:27 tomatriedes wrote:
Korean Christians are more hardcore than other Christians.
Even American Christians have practice houses and their games draw large crowds and get televised, so I don't think that's the case. And these crucifixions happen here too (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/29/arrested-alleged-crucifixion-style-murder-utah-woman/). Plus, we have the very famous team KKK, who has always been known for being insanely hardcore. We also have the WBC, a close second in terms of popularity. Perhaps the SKT and KT of the American Christian fundamentalists.
On a serious note, these deaths trouble and sadden me deeply. Definitely not a fan of people murdering or committing suicide because of their religion.
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On May 19 2011 22:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Perhaps the SKT and KT of the American Christian fundamentalists.
lollll interesting way to put it
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On May 19 2011 17:18 Ksi wrote:
It's always bothers me how the West has exported such a shameful thing as Christianity to Korea. It bothers me even more how quickly and easily so much of Korea has adopted this "foreign devil" religion and taken it to even greater extremes than the American South.
>.<
Let me guess, you don't have the report function yet do you
You guys don't understand why people would do this. First, there's a difference between going through the motions of emulating the Passion of Christ (the whole torture and crucifixion thing, that's what it's called) and actually dying.
I'm pretty sure the guy didn't plan on dying, and as there are no details on the specific case in the OP it's to all intents a messed up form of murder, except it's the way the Romans executed people in the first century, so "oooh religion is bullshit..." no
Now about volountary emulation of the Passion. The reason people would volounteer to submit themselves to the phenominal pain of these acts (beatings, crown of thornes, CRUCIFIXION), surely no as hardcore as what Jesus went through, is to know what it was like for him (Jesus).
Basic doctrine time: Jesus Christ was wholy perfect, he had never sinned. Ever. But he let the authorities crucify him, all the while know it would happen and letting them go ahead with it. This man who had never sinned bore unspeakable pain, and died an excruciating death, taking our sins upon him (though he himself was blameless) to forgive us., that by his death and ressurection we could have a second chance at heaven, because he had paid the price for our sins (death).
Now people love him and are grateful (heck yea, only through him can we be spared from eternal Hell), and as a spiritual experience they want to get an idea of the physical pain Christ went through.
This is not some silly "oh I'm sinfull, must flog myself and then I'll be forgiven kekeke" medieval stuff you can see a parody of in Monty Python the Holy Grail. Because we're already forgive, all we need to do is ask.
This is a "holy shit did he really do that FOR ME? I'm certain to get an even deeper understanding of the suffering and torment he went through FOR ME if I get a taste of it". It's a faith-building and strengthening thing.
But yeah, it is pretty damm hardcore! 
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I think the largest problem of Protestantism in Korea is that it was largely imported from Americans and has taken that fundamentalist form that largely took root in America. It's really a pity.
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On May 19 2011 21:32 Ghostcom wrote:
Stop blaming religion for megalomaniac delusions... Everyone is tired of people preaching their religious beliefs in an attempt to force it on to others - guess what, the same goes for your atheistic beliefs, if both sides would shut this world would be a lot better off.
The perfect example of Christians wanting to have their cake and eat it as well. Preaching ridiculously superstitious messages without wanting to take any responsibility for the way it screws up people's minds.
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On May 20 2011 04:56 krndandaman wrote:
Are you sure you understand the Christian faith well? What you wrote does not describe the Christian faith I know accurately at all.
Haha, well if you want it put in more fictional magical superstitious terms here you go:
On May 20 2011 00:21 bITt.mAN wrote:
Basic doctrine time: Jesus Christ was wholy perfect, he had never sinned. Ever. But he let the authorities crucify him, all the while know it would happen and letting them go ahead with it. This man who had never sinned bore unspeakable pain, and died an excruciating death, taking our sins upon him (though he himself was blameless) to forgive us., that by his death and ressurection we could have a second chance at heaven, because he had paid the price for our sins (death).
Now people love him and are grateful (heck yea, only through him can we be spared from eternal Hell), and as a spiritual experience they want to get an idea of the physical pain Christ went through.
This is not some silly "oh I'm sinfull, must flog myself and then I'll be forgiven kekeke" medieval stuff you can see a parody of in Monty Python the Holy Grail. Because we're already forgive, all we need to do is ask.
This is a "holy shit did he really do that FOR ME? I'm certain to get an even deeper understanding of the suffering and torment he went through FOR ME if I get a taste of it". It's a faith-building and strengthening thing.
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On May 20 2011 00:21 bITt.mAN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 17:18 Ksi wrote:
It's always bothers me how the West has exported such a shameful thing as Christianity to Korea. It bothers me even more how quickly and easily so much of Korea has adopted this "foreign devil" religion and taken it to even greater extremes than the American South. >.< Let me guess, you don't have the report function yet do you You guys don't understand why people would do this. First, there's a difference between going through the motions of emulating the Passion of Christ (the whole torture and crucifixion thing, that's what it's called) and actually dying. I'm pretty sure the guy didn't plan on dying, and as there are no details on the specific case in the OP it's to all intents a messed up form of murder, except it's the way the Romans executed people in the first century, so "oooh religion is bullshit..." no
Now about volountary emulation of the Passion. The reason people would volounteer to submit themselves to the phenominal pain of these acts (beatings, crown of thornes, CRUCIFIXION), surely no as hardcore as what Jesus went through, is to know what it was like for him (Jesus). Basic doctrine time: Jesus Christ was wholy perfect, he had never sinned. Ever. But he let the authorities crucify him, all the while know it would happen and letting them go ahead with it. This man who had never sinned bore unspeakable pain, and died an excruciating death, taking our sins upon him (though he himself was blameless) to forgive us., that by his death and ressurection we could have a second chance at heaven, because he had paid the price for our sins (death). Now people love him and are grateful (heck yea, only through him can we be spared from eternal Hell), and as a spiritual experience they want to get an idea of the physical pain Christ went through. This is not some silly "oh I'm sinfull, must flog myself and then I'll be forgiven kekeke" medieval stuff you can see a parody of in Monty Python the Holy Grail. Because we're already forgive, all we need to do is ask. This is a "holy shit did he really do that FOR ME? I'm certain to get an even deeper understanding of the suffering and torment he went through FOR ME if I get a taste of it". It's a faith-building and strengthening thing. But yeah, it is pretty damm hardcore!
Who cares what completely insane rationalization they used within Christianity to justify this? And let me assure you that rationalization is indeed completely insane.
How does it make sense for a being that is basically God to die on a cross to absolve the sins of humans...how can someone else pay the price of our sins, that is in complete opposition of any sense of justice that has been adopted in the modern world.
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Quick question, how do you drill the hole in your second hand ? I doubt a hand with a hole in it could have the strength or capacity to hold a drill, pull the trigger, and drill a second one.
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On May 20 2011 04:56 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 06:10 hypercube wrote:On May 19 2011 05:53 krndandaman wrote:On May 19 2011 04:52 ComaDose wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Drilled holes in his hands then slipped them over the nails. omg... that's heavy shit
this guy really likes Jesus apparently i was ninja'd for my personal highlight no... i hate all the stereotypes made from such news. crucifying yourself is not loving jesus. that's the direct opposite. it's like spitting on his face. How do you know God didn't ask him to do it? Maybe he had a revelation? Isn't it just a matter of faith? Because committing suicide is wrong? God should be the only one to decide when one dies. Suicide = self-murder. The Christian faith is heavily reliant on the Bible and the Bible supports the view that suicide is wrong. So yeah, this guy was extremely deluded. .
Why? Why should you be able to tell someone they HAVE to live if they don't want to. I don't buy into the idea that I am God's hopeless slave in mind and spirit, unable to even end my own life without facing eternal ramifications, why should I be a slave just for simply existing?
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On May 20 2011 07:53 Olinim wrote:
Who cares what completely insane rationalization they used within Christianity to justify this? And let me assure you that rationalization is indeed completely insane.
How does it make sense for a being that is basically God to die on a cross to absolve the sins of humans...how can someone else pay the price of our sins, that is in complete opposition of any sense of justice that has been adopted in the modern world.
Ahh, you just asked him an open question allowing him the opportunity to give you more of his insane Christian rationalisations on the next question you have asked... Let me assure you, Christians have insanely retarded rationalisations in anticipation for any logical questions.
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Only something that is truly evil could motivate somebody to subject themself to something this terrible.
What I'm having trouble understanding is how he was up on a vertical cross and managed to nail his feet to it without falling down. I mean, how the fuck do you do that? Even if he stood on something while he nailed them in, how do u kick the stool out from under you with your feet nailed to a cross? How do you bend over to knock it down without falling forward? I guess he could have used a stick or something but like, fuck, how do you even hammer a nail with holes in your hands? Or did he drill his hands after? Could he have done all that while the cross was flat on the ground and then used a pully system to erect the cross? It doesn't seem to add up. Self crucifixion would be quite the feat.
I think it was a homicide set up to look like suicide if not assisted suicide. Maybe some anti-religious people doing a 'choke on your lies' type of thing. Either way, it's pretty fucked up.
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All christians playing Starcraft are defying their gods and jesus indirectly because we starcraft players believe in Xel Naga and the second coming of the Dark Voice in Utter Darkness!
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On May 20 2011 04:56 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 06:10 hypercube wrote:On May 19 2011 05:53 krndandaman wrote:On May 19 2011 04:52 ComaDose wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Drilled holes in his hands then slipped them over the nails. omg... that's heavy shit
this guy really likes Jesus apparently i was ninja'd for my personal highlight no... i hate all the stereotypes made from such news. crucifying yourself is not loving jesus. that's the direct opposite. it's like spitting on his face. How do you know God didn't ask him to do it? Maybe he had a revelation? Isn't it just a matter of faith? Because committing suicide is wrong? God should be the only one to decide when one dies. Suicide = self-murder. The Christian faith is heavily reliant on the Bible and the Bible supports the view that suicide is wrong. So yeah, this guy was extremely deluded.
But what if God asked him to do it? I mean personally. Would it still be wrong?
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On May 20 2011 08:46 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 04:56 krndandaman wrote:On May 19 2011 06:10 hypercube wrote:On May 19 2011 05:53 krndandaman wrote:On May 19 2011 04:52 ComaDose wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Drilled holes in his hands then slipped them over the nails. omg... that's heavy shit
this guy really likes Jesus apparently i was ninja'd for my personal highlight no... i hate all the stereotypes made from such news. crucifying yourself is not loving jesus. that's the direct opposite. it's like spitting on his face. How do you know God didn't ask him to do it? Maybe he had a revelation? Isn't it just a matter of faith? Because committing suicide is wrong? God should be the only one to decide when one dies. Suicide = self-murder. The Christian faith is heavily reliant on the Bible and the Bible supports the view that suicide is wrong. So yeah, this guy was extremely deluded. But what if God asked him to do it? I mean personally. Would it still be wrong?
Classic case of abraham/issac dilemma. Have fun discussing that. Response are always predictable.
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There is no-no-no-no way in hell - or on Earth for that matter - you could pull this off before passing out from the immense pain.
Either he was under heavy anesthesia or other type of drug, or he was somehow assisted, or simply murdered.
What speaks against anesthesia apart from the obvious reason that it'd show in the autopsy report is that it wouldn't allow for the muscular strength needed to drill a fucking hole through each one of your hands.
I call homicide.
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The amount of people in this thread bashing Christianity for this own guys decision is astounding. It would be like me bashing atheists, their ideals and relativistic ends for the actions of Pol Pot, Mao, or Stalin.
Its ridiculous. don't try to take miscontextualized cheap shots at the other side.
It doesn't make you an edgy intellectual, it makes you an uninformed troll.
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On May 20 2011 10:24 whiteguycash wrote:
The amount of people in this thread bashing Christianity for this own guys decision is astounding. It would be like me bashing atheists, their ideals and relativistic ends for the actions of Pol Pot, Mao, or Stalin.
Its ridiculous. don't try to take miscontextualized cheap shots at the other side.
It doesn't make you an edgy intellectual, it makes you an uninformed troll.
Atheism has no ideals, no relativistic ends, because it is simply the lack of a belief. There is no dogma, there is no established belief system, or governing laws. Blaming atheism for the actions of Pol pot would be like me bashing Trot nixon and other non hockey players for their ideals of not being hockey players, and the actions that happened due to that.
Also miscontexualized isn't a word.
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On May 20 2011 11:06 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 10:24 whiteguycash wrote:
The amount of people in this thread bashing Christianity for this own guys decision is astounding. It would be like me bashing atheists, their ideals and relativistic ends for the actions of Pol Pot, Mao, or Stalin.
Its ridiculous. don't try to take miscontextualized cheap shots at the other side.
It doesn't make you an edgy intellectual, it makes you an uninformed troll. Atheism has no ideals, no relativistic ends, because it is simply the lack of a belief. There is no dogma, there is no established belief system, or governing laws. Blaming atheism for the actions of Pol pot would be like me bashing Trot nixon and other non hockey players for their ideals of not being hockey players, and the actions that happened due to that.
Do you live that way? I highly doubt it. Everybody sees the world with a particular worldview and their behaviors reflect so. For example: naturalism.
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On May 20 2011 11:14 mowglie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 11:06 Olinim wrote:On May 20 2011 10:24 whiteguycash wrote:
The amount of people in this thread bashing Christianity for this own guys decision is astounding. It would be like me bashing atheists, their ideals and relativistic ends for the actions of Pol Pot, Mao, or Stalin.
Its ridiculous. don't try to take miscontextualized cheap shots at the other side.
It doesn't make you an edgy intellectual, it makes you an uninformed troll. Atheism has no ideals, no relativistic ends, because it is simply the lack of a belief. There is no dogma, there is no established belief system, or governing laws. Blaming atheism for the actions of Pol pot would be like me bashing Trot nixon and other non hockey players for their ideals of not being hockey players, and the actions that happened due to that. Do you live that way? I highly doubt it. Everybody sees the world with a particular worldview and their behaviors reflect so. For example: naturalism.
Live what way? what are are you talking about? All I said is that atheism is simply a lack of a belief not a belief system.
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