Savior plays BW games on Afreeca - Page 10

On March 07 2011 04:57 etheovermind wrote:

But like or not, BW is harder. If Savior plays SC2, I doubt he would do any better than anyone else. This is not BW vs SC2 but SC2 is easier to play and doesn't reward the best players like BW does. Ask me a year ago whether Nada would dominate in SC2 and I would have said yes.

On March 07 2011 05:14 white_horse wrote:


you keep talking like its shocking and wrong that koreans are so hard-handed about something like this but I wrote like 3 times already that its simply a cultural difference. You don't think asian countries consider certain aspects of western culture as wrong/weird?

And like I said before, a lot of people in the industry were very very disappointed about savior. Its a universal thing that people of high status are expected to have good character but its especially true in korea. And its true that savior damaged the reputation and scale of the industry in korea. You would expect that someone like him would work to make e-sports bigger but he did the exact opposite. sensitivity issues aside, I think people are just really angry and really disappointed about him because of what he has caused, not just the fact that he fixed matches.

On March 07 2011 05:23 optical630 wrote:
to the poster EDIT: 2 above,

balance doesnt play an issue at the extreme top of play, look at gsl1 ^^

On March 07 2011 05:23 optical630 wrote:
to the poster EDIT: 2 above,

balance doesnt play an issue at the extreme top of play, look at gsl1 ^^

On March 07 2011 05:20 etheovermind wrote:

Well said I guess. I know I will always try to remember Nada like he was in BW but i still wish he had never switched to SC2.

On March 07 2011 04:52 etheovermind wrote:

If he plays SC2 and does mediocre like BoxeR and Nada and July and Grrrr it just ruins the image. If Savior goes to play SC2 and becomes some average bum, thats how everyone will remember him.

On March 07 2011 05:23 optical630 wrote:
to the poster EDIT: 2 above,

balance doesnt play an issue at the extreme top of play, look at gsl1 ^^

On March 07 2011 05:24 frodoguy wrote:


Wow, that went really offtopic before i realised.

The real question is when are koreans gonna let go of the past, which is the most mature and natural thing to do. Its a shame it happened, but having a forever grudge is just childish.

On March 07 2011 06:58 sheaRZerg wrote:
I personally find it hard to believe that everyone in the korean scene pre-savior would have been behaving completely ethically. The reason being that this kind of match fixing seems like it would have been so easy to pull off. Kespa's modification of their policy for announcing lineups undoubtedly helps, but even so, there must be a number of people with a pretty good idea who is going to be playing on any one day.

Match fixing comes up all the time in soccer (for instance), and I guarantee you that requires a far greater number of people involved. That, and korean bw teams far more closed and secretive about their inner workings than most professional teams. The thing I find most difficult to believe, is that the majority of people blamed for the match fixing were players. I do not have much to back this point of view, but I would not be at all surprised if there were many other coaches, referees, sponsors ect. that played a role only to let the far easier targets of the players take the fall.

I am not be any means claiming Savior was not involved in such activity, he almost certainly was. What I am saying is that I expect that many others who were not ratted out probably were as well, and ultimately i would point my finger at KESPA as the root cause for not doing enough prevent it.

I also regret that I only began following the scene to see Savior downward spiral. I would love to have seen him play in his period of dominance.

On March 07 2011 07:14 r33k wrote:

They didn't. During the investigations for the Savior scandal, the journalists referred to players utilizing new methods to cheat and throw games since KeSPA officials were able to tell thrown games from legit losses since that had already happeded before. Previous scandals were probably either shut down or not given any credit since no big names were involved. The whole BW scene should be looked at as sports entertainment, not as something where death crimes are committed.

On March 07 2011 07:28 sheaRZerg wrote:


I apologize for my lack of knowledge, but what exactly were these "new methods" ? What I recall from reading about the scandel was that it was that players were either being told to throw a game (i.e. intentionally run your army into a tank line) for a cut in whatever the deal was, or the sharing of the build that a players teammate was supposed to do (i.e. watch out for a 2 Fac, wink wink.)

Neither of these seem particularly creative, though I would admit it neither is something that you would immediately catch.

Edit: Relevant question for someone more familiar with Korean culture than I:

Are there instances of similarly harsh reactions to betting cheating in other Korean sports. Baseball or soccer for instance? The reaction always seemed overboard to me, but if this is just the way Korea handles things in similar instances, then i guess it would not be unprecidented.