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hellokitty[hk]
United States1309 Posts
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On March 07 2011 05:22 Incursus wrote: What Savior did, is bad. But think about it really, he threw games for money right? And most likely encouraged others to do the same. To me while it a jerk thing to do, I can understand why it would happen. Money, money is why they become progamers and why their sponsors and teams pay for them. Savior's real issue is that he dragged this on and drug people through a lot of crap before the truth came out. I imagine that if Savior had just admitted and apologized he wouldn't have been slammed so hard. I think that if he switches to SC2 that will be a huge second chance for him, and that whatever he does now he has something to prove. Savior needs to restore people's faith in him again, not by winning. I don't even know how he would go about it, charity games or something. He does have a chance to make this all right I think. And he ought to take it, don't be remembered as the match fixing Savior. He needs to go out a Bonjwa, not a criminal. As for the coach, I don't hold this against him, the outrage is natural. And he did apologize for it, he's a human being, forgive him and move on. Savior's real issue was that he waited soooooooooooo long before saying anything. Even after prosecution, he refused to admit to the match fixing. The only thing he said was a small apology, that didn't include admitting to the match fixing.. If he switches to SC2, i imagine that he'll be investigated for many of the losses he encounters because he will always be remembered as a match fixer. It's kind of like once a criminal, always a criminal. There's no way to make up for it. "Savior was worse than child molesters" is a pretty accurate statement if one was part of progaming when savior was still playing. On March 07 2011 08:08 hellokitty[hk] wrote: If you think about it, Savior may have let some KT players get wins. One of the reason's why match fixing is so bad is that if someone had beaten savior during that time, and they look back at it now, they might think "did i really beat him?" and of course there will be no way to answer that question. | ||
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rift
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GP
United States1056 Posts
On March 07 2011 08:11 Release wrote: "Savior was worse than child molesters" is a pretty accurate statement if one was part of progaming when savior was still playing. I can't believe you're trying to justify that, in no way shape or form is that an accurate statement. | ||
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CoWsGoesMoo
250 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
"I am preparing something, and am doing some studying in between." :O Announcement! | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On March 07 2011 08:57 Jayson X wrote: Oh sAviOr...still hanging around I see... "I am preparing something, and am doing some studying in between." :O Announcement! Savior has learned from his fellow BW Zerg Incontrol that it's always best to make a big announcement about a big announcement. | ||
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Sixer
United States278 Posts
i don't care about the matchfixing, he'll always be ma bonjwa to me | ||
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Trap
United States395 Posts
On March 07 2011 08:08 hellokitty[hk] wrote: If you think about it, Savior may have let some KT players get wins. Well KT lost Luxury from the match fixing scandal, who was their best Zerg and 2nd or 3rd best player overall at the time. It's not easy to find a Zerg who is good at ZvT in the proscene, I can see why KT coach would be pissed. | ||
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AssuredVacancy
United States1167 Posts
On March 07 2011 08:57 Jayson X wrote: Oh sAviOr...still hanging around I see... "I am preparing something, and am doing some studying in between." :O Announcement! destroying everybody in 2012? | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On March 06 2011 17:22 BLinD-RawR wrote: strange,I was thinking about savior today....Well whatever if Ma-Trash can be helpful to the newbs by streaming himself in FPV,I couldn't care less. Yeah same. I do think that the coach was out of line as well though. | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
On March 07 2011 08:37 jalstar wrote: Would foreign SC2 tournaments let Savior or Upmagic play? I mean, there are foreigners with pretty sketchy histories who are now pretty respected members. (DIMAGA, Spades and TT1 come to mind). difference between testie hacking to get good 10 years ago, and players like Yosh abusing the ladder system in TSL2 | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
Furthermore, the whole "deserving" a second chance/no second chance argumentation is severely flawed imho. No matter what someone has done, they can change. It's up to individual people to forgive or not forgive and there's nothing wrong with either decision. If an ex-criminal(any serious crimes) would apply for a job in my company I probably wouldn't hire him because for me personally the risk involved would be too high. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind someone hiring him if he firmly believes said ex-criminal has changed. What is wrong imho is the approach "Oh Lord, you did X and Y, plague be upon thee! Leave society and never return again!" that many people advocate in this thread. Each and every person will seriously fuck up in life at least once. When that happens to you, and you change from the bottom of your heart, you will want people to forgive you. Some might not, and that's OK. Everyone has different standards for what's unforgivable and what is not. But you certainly wouldn't want someone to completely deny other people from giving you a second chance, would you? The whole concept of condemning someone for the rest of his life seems incredibly stupid to me sometimes... That being said, I really wouldn't mind sAviOr playing professional eSports again at some point if someone is willing to give him the chance. And if he really does stay absolutely clean, there eventually should be a time to forgive and forget. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On December 21, 2012 to be exact. | ||
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
Back in the days I just played 3v3 bgh. it wasnt till I heard of savior that I started doing 1v1 and playing zerg. I think I liked savior more than starcraft which is probably why I was never good lmao. I dont care that he fixed matches.. But it sucks now because he can never play anymore.. In like 2OO9, I could at least look forward to him playing like once a month and I would be excited that maybe he suddenly became the best again haha. And now that hes never around bw is boring. and effort was my 2nd fav progamer, and now that hes retired i dont even look at results anymore unless im really bored. Ive watched so much bw, I dont understand why the hell anyone cares about what he did. Its HIS life, he doesnt owe any of you ANYTHING. I dont understand why you all think that he does. Maybe its because all the progamers are like "sorry ill try harder" over and over again, which gave you the illusion that they do. Oh and comparing him to a child molester LOLLL coach sounds so stupid lmao | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
I doubt there's a person here who hasn't said something they instantly regretted out of anger, and yet they can't empathize Jihoon and instead champion someone who cheats at something we love for money. The duality in this thread bothers me, empathy for the wrong person. | ||
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
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