• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:31
CEST 16:31
KST 23:31
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202537RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16
Community News
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams4Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission re-extension4
StarCraft 2
General
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread RSL Season 1 - Final Week The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
ASL20 Preliminary Maps BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 752 users

Savior plays BW games on Afreeca - Page 13

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 71 Next
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
March 07 2011 03:06 GMT
#241
what savior did was unforgivable but calling him worse than a child molester is pretty riduclous, its not even relevant to anything, theyr'e completely different. its an apples and oranges situation there lol
everstarleague
Profile Joined December 2009
China89 Posts
March 07 2011 03:07 GMT
#242
Seeing the number of replys could get the answer. Savior still has the popular for his unique strength, even he really has a little fault.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
March 07 2011 03:09 GMT
#243
Lol this is so absurd. So what if he plays broodwar? He will never be involved in esports again and he took his punishment.
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
March 07 2011 03:12 GMT
#244
Generally speaking, comparing anything involving video games to being on par with child molestation in seriousness is just plain stupid.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
March 07 2011 03:13 GMT
#245
The coach is kinda nuts lol. He is clearly out of line.

Savior already got his punishment. He got banned for life from pro BW/SC2 but he can play amateur BW/SC2 and stream it whenever he likes. I dont get it why he has to apologize for it.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Maynarde
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 03:16:37
March 07 2011 03:16 GMT
#246
On March 07 2011 12:12 LegendaryZ wrote:
Generally speaking, comparing anything involving video games to being on par with child molestation in seriousness is just plain stupid.


Nothing can warrant that kind of reaction unless Savior actually raped his children and killed them. Child molestation is worse than fixing games. Call me crazy, but that's my opinion.
CommentatorAustralian SC2 Caster | Twitter: @MaynardeSC2 | Twitch: twitch.tv/maynarde
Fumi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
529 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 03:19:31
March 07 2011 03:18 GMT
#247
On March 07 2011 11:38 Mortality wrote:
The coach was out of line. If he wanted to call Savior out, I'd have no problem with that, but the manner in which he did so was absurd. How can you even compare what Savior did to the sexual abuse of a child?

I realize he said these things out of anger, but... throwing a teenage temper tantrum online is supposed to be good for e-sports how? Yes he apologized but even with that apology thousands of people have now seen him behaving like an idiot. He's a coach of one of the most significant teams in e-sports history. He should know better.

It's not supposed to be good, but I'm sure he knows more than anyone else how stupid that was, so no need to keep reinforcing the same thing over and over. Just accept his apology and move on. Personally I'm sure he's gonna be a lot more careful from now on. This reminds me of how people picked on Incontrol and didn't accept his apologize.
Flash, Stats, Reach, Tossgirl <> Boxer, Nestea, MC, Foxer fangirl | http://osu.ppy.sh/u/181432
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
March 07 2011 03:36 GMT
#248
The thing about apologies is that they don't right the wrong and people aren't obligated to accept them. That's why it's important to choose your words and actions carefully. I don't know if this will affect his employment, but as a representative of a major organization he could have quickly found himself out of a job for this kind of thoughtless public comment.
Fumi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
529 Posts
March 07 2011 03:45 GMT
#249
On March 07 2011 12:36 LegendaryZ wrote:
The thing about apologies is that they don't right the wrong and people aren't obligated to accept them. That's why it's important to choose your words and actions carefully. I don't know if this will affect his employment, but as a representative of a major organization he could have quickly found himself out of a job for this kind of thoughtless public comment.

Yeah, people aren't obligated to accept his apology, but as TTT says, how can a lot of people forgive a major player who threatened a very fragile industry and brought a lot of players with him and denied what he did for a very long time, and not forgive a coach who posted a 2 line rant on twitter about said player and then apologizing soon after? It just doesn't make any sense.
Flash, Stats, Reach, Tossgirl <> Boxer, Nestea, MC, Foxer fangirl | http://osu.ppy.sh/u/181432
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
March 07 2011 03:53 GMT
#250
On March 07 2011 12:45 Fumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 12:36 LegendaryZ wrote:
The thing about apologies is that they don't right the wrong and people aren't obligated to accept them. That's why it's important to choose your words and actions carefully. I don't know if this will affect his employment, but as a representative of a major organization he could have quickly found himself out of a job for this kind of thoughtless public comment.

Yeah, people aren't obligated to accept his apology, but as TTT says, how can a lot of people forgive a major player who threatened a very fragile industry and brought a lot of players with him and denied what he did for a very long time, and not forgive a coach who posted a 2 line rant on twitter about said player and then apologizing soon after? It just doesn't make any sense.


Because savior has paid for his actions, whereas the coach hasn't.
bisu fanboy
Lightningbullet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States507 Posts
March 07 2011 03:53 GMT
#251
On March 06 2011 17:24 ZavikZyke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 17:22 Lightwip wrote:
On March 06 2011 17:20 yoonyoon wrote:
On March 06 2011 17:15 Lightwip wrote:
By the (T)Way, could someone tell me exactly how big a role (Z)sAviOr played in the match fixing?


He fixed matches, played the role as a broker, and embezzled some of the (T)Money that was supposed to go to the match-fixing progamers.

Thanks.
(Z)wOw, that's a pretty significant part.


(P)Which is why the coach was so angry.. but he was (T)Really out of (Z)Line right there X_X He could have worded it better.

Don't forget: (Z)sAviOr denied it at first. :/
BoxeR is AWESOME!!!!//Proud 2nd Member of the BW>SC2 club.
Fumi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
529 Posts
March 07 2011 04:07 GMT
#252
On March 07 2011 12:53 fearus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 12:45 Fumi wrote:
On March 07 2011 12:36 LegendaryZ wrote:
The thing about apologies is that they don't right the wrong and people aren't obligated to accept them. That's why it's important to choose your words and actions carefully. I don't know if this will affect his employment, but as a representative of a major organization he could have quickly found himself out of a job for this kind of thoughtless public comment.

Yeah, people aren't obligated to accept his apology, but as TTT says, how can a lot of people forgive a major player who threatened a very fragile industry and brought a lot of players with him and denied what he did for a very long time, and not forgive a coach who posted a 2 line rant on twitter about said player and then apologizing soon after? It just doesn't make any sense.


Because savior has paid for his actions, whereas the coach hasn't.

So you suggest that the coach is banned from BW and gets probation for posting a 2 line twitter rant and apologizing soon after or something? How is that even comparable to what Savior did? I don't agree with not letting Savior play BW for fun and all, but this is just pretty ridiculous. Do you also want Incontrol banned/punished for that stream or Demuslim banned for going out to drink?
Flash, Stats, Reach, Tossgirl <> Boxer, Nestea, MC, Foxer fangirl | http://osu.ppy.sh/u/181432
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
March 07 2011 04:13 GMT
#253
On March 07 2011 13:07 Fumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 12:53 fearus wrote:
On March 07 2011 12:45 Fumi wrote:
On March 07 2011 12:36 LegendaryZ wrote:
The thing about apologies is that they don't right the wrong and people aren't obligated to accept them. That's why it's important to choose your words and actions carefully. I don't know if this will affect his employment, but as a representative of a major organization he could have quickly found himself out of a job for this kind of thoughtless public comment.

Yeah, people aren't obligated to accept his apology, but as TTT says, how can a lot of people forgive a major player who threatened a very fragile industry and brought a lot of players with him and denied what he did for a very long time, and not forgive a coach who posted a 2 line rant on twitter about said player and then apologizing soon after? It just doesn't make any sense.


Because savior has paid for his actions, whereas the coach hasn't.

So you suggest that the coach is banned from BW and gets probation for posting a 2 line twitter rant and apologizing soon after or something? How is that even comparable to what Savior did? I don't agree with not letting Savior play BW for fun and all, but this is just pretty ridiculous. Do you also want Incontrol banned/punished for that stream or Demuslim banned for going out to drink?


I know you're smart enough to know that is not what I meant. But the fact you decided to go ahead and twist my words and make random unfounded assumptions, indicates to me you're just a troll.
bisu fanboy
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
March 07 2011 04:14 GMT
#254
On March 07 2011 10:13 Turgid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 10:11 bITt.mAN wrote:
Does anyone have any information if any of those involved in the match-fixing scandal are willing to compete in NASL?
They're banned from GOM, but that doesn't stop me hoping to see UpMagic again...

But not Savior, he sould be banned for being a bad boy


This was asked quite recently in the NASL Q&A thread. Xeris didn't really seem to have a definitive answer but tentatively it seems they "won't allow convicted felons".

I don't really know what to think about Savior, to be perfectly honest. I came into the BW scene only in, like, November, but it feels difficult for me to take seriously the idea that someone who organizes cheating in a competition like this is just human scum. I don't think he should be able to compete anymore, obviously, but I don't see the big deal about him being streamed on Afreeca or anything. I suspect I don't understand the reaction here because it was such a short time ago that this stuff happened and emotions are still running high.

Agreed. On one hand, he should be barred from competitions for the sake of upholding high standards of competition and sportsmanship, which he had completely broken after the match-fixing scandal. It would probably do more harm than good for competitions like NASL to get involved in a PR scandal by including Savior and other match-fixers in their tournaments.

On the other hand, I think Savior should at least be respected as a person despite the scandal. He had fallen from one of the best in his career field to not even being allowed to have that career anymore, and I think that probably annihilated his ego and aspirations. Right now, he is probably just an ordinary Korean trying to scrape by with an alternative job while serving his sentence and trying to enjoy the only remnant of his past life, Starcraft.

If you meet him on the street, I don't think it's wise or respectful to start shouting slurs or insults at him considering the condition that hes in. He probably just wants to be left alone, quietly scraping by on a low end job while playing Starcraft like any other Korean.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Fumi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
529 Posts
March 07 2011 04:16 GMT
#255
On March 07 2011 13:13 fearus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 13:07 Fumi wrote:
On March 07 2011 12:53 fearus wrote:
On March 07 2011 12:45 Fumi wrote:
On March 07 2011 12:36 LegendaryZ wrote:
The thing about apologies is that they don't right the wrong and people aren't obligated to accept them. That's why it's important to choose your words and actions carefully. I don't know if this will affect his employment, but as a representative of a major organization he could have quickly found himself out of a job for this kind of thoughtless public comment.

Yeah, people aren't obligated to accept his apology, but as TTT says, how can a lot of people forgive a major player who threatened a very fragile industry and brought a lot of players with him and denied what he did for a very long time, and not forgive a coach who posted a 2 line rant on twitter about said player and then apologizing soon after? It just doesn't make any sense.


Because savior has paid for his actions, whereas the coach hasn't.

So you suggest that the coach is banned from BW and gets probation for posting a 2 line twitter rant and apologizing soon after or something? How is that even comparable to what Savior did? I don't agree with not letting Savior play BW for fun and all, but this is just pretty ridiculous. Do you also want Incontrol banned/punished for that stream or Demuslim banned for going out to drink?


I know you're smart enough to know that is not what I meant. But the fact you decided to go ahead and twist my words and make random unfounded assumptions, indicates to me you're just a troll.

I know (and hoped really) that you didn't mean that, but then what do you mean? I can't think of anything really. You won't forgive someone because apparently the only way for someone to have a chance to be forgiven is to pay for it. So how should he pay for a tweet? What do you suggest? Or you don't mean any of that? If so, then please explain.

And don't go around assuming people are trolls just because you think everything you say makes perfect sense.
Flash, Stats, Reach, Tossgirl <> Boxer, Nestea, MC, Foxer fangirl | http://osu.ppy.sh/u/181432
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
March 07 2011 04:26 GMT
#256
On March 07 2011 09:55 TwoToneTerran wrote:
KT coach puts out a hatefilled mistake of a comment and gets chastized by TL, Savior rigs broodwar games for money, apologizes months late and people want to bring him back a year later and are saying the KT coach was way too mean, despite instantly apologizing for the severity of the words. I'm not sure if anyone can comprehend another person spitting over something you've invested years of your life to furthering, but maybe you should get some perspective before calling Savior the victim here.

I doubt there's a person here who hasn't said something they instantly regretted out of anger, and yet they can't empathize Jihoon and instead champion someone who cheats at something we love for money. The duality in this thread bothers me, empathy for the wrong person.


What? Savior didn't do anything recently, all he did was stream some games and people found out. KT's coach is the one who exploded as a result.

Yeah of course Savior screwed up 10000x worse than Coach Lee's spur of the moment anger but the reason why people are defending him right now is because he didn't do anything right now. It's not like Savior made a big deal out of streaming and is lobbying to get back into BW ... he was just playing some games and it all blew up. Last time I checked he got banned from pro BW, not from playing BW entirely.

The coach is the one who took nothing and turned it into something, not Savior. Obviously anyone halfway reasonable thinks that what Savior actually did was incomparably worse than Coach Lee's slip.

As a side note, you'd hope that anyone halfway reasonable would realize that something like child molestation is incomparably worse than what Savior did....
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50119 Posts
March 07 2011 04:36 GMT
#257
On March 07 2011 03:01 alskatngo wrote:
hi. ma jae yoon play. id west mysticism


howcome people missed this very important post on the thread?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
March 07 2011 05:03 GMT
#258
Jesus, everyone in this thread responding to me has said the exact same thing and missed the point everytime. I'm not saying the Coach's comment wasn't out of line, but that everyone in the thread is taking it way too seriously (even after he admitted that he was wrong), and the problem I have is a lot of people making apologist posts for Savior, talking about him coming back what, one year after nearly ruining the whole scene? That what he did wasn't SO bad, I mean he was just thinking about his future blah blah and all those other horrid excuses to try to get savior back.

I take issue with people taking this comment and using it as some sort of jumping point for the glorious redemption of Savior or some shit. You know how everyone is saying how what Savior did is nothing compared to child molestation? Well what Jihoon has done is absolutely nothing compared to what Savior did, so stop trying to justify Savior and demonize Jihoon at the same time. I don't agree with what the KT coach said, but that shoudl have nothing to do with trying to bring Savior back.
Remember Violet.
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 05:20:19
March 07 2011 05:18 GMT
#259
It doesn't matter WHAT Savior did. Even if he were completely innocent, what the coach said would still be wrong. Being relatively "less" wrong means nothing when determining if something IS wrong >.<

It's not that people are forgiving Savior for his past actions. It's that people are feeling sympathetic for him because he didn't do anything to provoke the coach.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
March 07 2011 05:27 GMT
#260
No, people in this thread are specifically forgiving savior for his past actions and are saying he should be allowed to come back. Read the entire thread to see what I was responding to. Once again everyone assumes some foreign point when I was specifically talking of posts in this thread.

And yes, I get it, what the KT coach did is wrong. I agree. I have never said otherwise, I just don't think it's a big deal because he was mad and obviously didn't mean it -- something everyone in the world with a heartbeat has been folly to. I think it's a big deal for people to suddenly start saying savior should come back to esports after the KT coach's gaffe.
Remember Violet.
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 71 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Esports World Cup
10:00
2025 - Day 2
Reynor vs MaruLIVE!
herO vs Cure
Serral vs Classic
EWC_Arena11153
ComeBackTV 2506
TaKeTV 593
Hui .562
3DClanTV 379
Rex244
EnkiAlexander 234
CranKy Ducklings169
mcanning160
Reynor148
UpATreeSC121
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
EWC_Arena11153
Hui .562
Rex 244
mcanning 160
Reynor 148
UpATreeSC 121
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 4153
Barracks 2002
Flash 1844
BeSt 1507
Jaedong 1452
EffOrt 1067
Mini 568
Stork 503
ggaemo 401
Snow 340
[ Show more ]
Soma 270
GuemChi 262
ZerO 257
Soulkey 245
ToSsGirL 194
Rush 131
Hyun 109
Dewaltoss 85
soO 60
TY 58
Sacsri 35
scan(afreeca) 26
Movie 14
Terrorterran 11
Yoon 11
Bale 9
ivOry 7
Britney 0
Dota 2
syndereN339
420jenkins290
XcaliburYe287
Counter-Strike
sgares624
flusha99
edward64
Super Smash Bros
Westballz34
Other Games
singsing2077
hiko1292
B2W.Neo1004
crisheroes423
Fuzer 172
ArmadaUGS77
QueenE49
KnowMe48
ZerO(Twitch)17
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 7
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH273
• Adnapsc2 2
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1297
• WagamamaTV523
League of Legends
• Nemesis3928
• TFBlade734
Upcoming Events
Esports World Cup
19h 29m
TBD vs Zoun
TBD vs SHIN
TBD vs ShoWTimE
TBD vs Rogue
Esports World Cup
1d 20h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
CSO Cup
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
FEL
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.