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On April 18 2011 02:28 LaiShin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 00:28 Automata wrote:On April 17 2011 23:59 Imperative wrote:
I got a Filco Majectouch nKRO with Cherry MX blue keys. THe nKRO is useless for SC2 but the build quality is great! I've never owned such a hefty solid keyboard before. Plus it looks awesome too. I think the switch type is a matter of personal preference though. Cherry MX Blues are great for typing - the sound and tactile feedback reminds me of a typewriter lol How important is NKRO in terms of sc2 anyways? I'm debating on getting a mechanical keyboard but willing to get something cheaper like Razer BW or 6gv2 (both don't have NKRO IIRC). The only games I play are SC2/TF2/BFBC2, so I don't know how important is NRKO. Well, he did say in his post "THe nKRO is useless for SC2..." You'll have 4-6 key rollovers which is more than enough for sc2/most FPS. Razer BW is a good budget mech if you're a blues man. -> 6 keys I don't recommend jumping on the mech bandwagon. I did and it wasn't anything special, not for gaming anyway. IMO, it's not worth it unless u're already planning on getting a new keyboard already.
I love the soft and inexpensive feel of just a regular keyboard--it's quiet too. Never have broke one either in the decades of use, and if one does break it's cheap as chips to replace. I think the whole market for mechanical keyboards is a scam to be honest.
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On April 18 2011 02:28 LaiShin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 00:28 Automata wrote:On April 17 2011 23:59 Imperative wrote:
I got a Filco Majectouch nKRO with Cherry MX blue keys. THe nKRO is useless for SC2 but the build quality is great! I've never owned such a hefty solid keyboard before. Plus it looks awesome too. I think the switch type is a matter of personal preference though. Cherry MX Blues are great for typing - the sound and tactile feedback reminds me of a typewriter lol How important is NKRO in terms of sc2 anyways? I'm debating on getting a mechanical keyboard but willing to get something cheaper like Razer BW or 6gv2 (both don't have NKRO IIRC). The only games I play are SC2/TF2/BFBC2, so I don't know how important is NRKO. Well, he did say in his post "THe nKRO is useless for SC2..." You'll have 4-6 key rollovers which is more than enough for sc2/most FPS. Razer BW is a good budget mech if you're a blues man. -> 6 keys I don't recommend jumping on the mech bandwagon. I did and it wasn't anything special, not for gaming anyway. IMO, it's not worth it unless u're already planning on getting a new keyboard already.
I've been using my current logitech media keyboard since 2003 basically thing is as sturdy as anything I've used but I want to get a new keyboard soon. I can get the BW for $60+tax (price matched locally), think that's a good deal? How durable is the BW?
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On April 18 2011 02:55 ffdestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 02:28 LaiShin wrote:On April 18 2011 00:28 Automata wrote:On April 17 2011 23:59 Imperative wrote:
I got a Filco Majectouch nKRO with Cherry MX blue keys. THe nKRO is useless for SC2 but the build quality is great! I've never owned such a hefty solid keyboard before. Plus it looks awesome too. I think the switch type is a matter of personal preference though. Cherry MX Blues are great for typing - the sound and tactile feedback reminds me of a typewriter lol How important is NKRO in terms of sc2 anyways? I'm debating on getting a mechanical keyboard but willing to get something cheaper like Razer BW or 6gv2 (both don't have NKRO IIRC). The only games I play are SC2/TF2/BFBC2, so I don't know how important is NRKO. Well, he did say in his post "THe nKRO is useless for SC2..." You'll have 4-6 key rollovers which is more than enough for sc2/most FPS. Razer BW is a good budget mech if you're a blues man. -> 6 keys I don't recommend jumping on the mech bandwagon. I did and it wasn't anything special, not for gaming anyway. IMO, it's not worth it unless u're already planning on getting a new keyboard already. I love the soft and inexpensive feel of just a regular keyboard--it's quiet too. Never have broke one either in the decades of use, and if one does break it's cheap as chips to replace. I think the whole market for mechanical keyboards is a scam to be honest.
And you obviously know what you're talking about.
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On April 18 2011 02:55 ffdestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 02:28 LaiShin wrote:On April 18 2011 00:28 Automata wrote:On April 17 2011 23:59 Imperative wrote:
I got a Filco Majectouch nKRO with Cherry MX blue keys. THe nKRO is useless for SC2 but the build quality is great! I've never owned such a hefty solid keyboard before. Plus it looks awesome too. I think the switch type is a matter of personal preference though. Cherry MX Blues are great for typing - the sound and tactile feedback reminds me of a typewriter lol How important is NKRO in terms of sc2 anyways? I'm debating on getting a mechanical keyboard but willing to get something cheaper like Razer BW or 6gv2 (both don't have NKRO IIRC). The only games I play are SC2/TF2/BFBC2, so I don't know how important is NRKO. Well, he did say in his post "THe nKRO is useless for SC2..." You'll have 4-6 key rollovers which is more than enough for sc2/most FPS. Razer BW is a good budget mech if you're a blues man. -> 6 keys I don't recommend jumping on the mech bandwagon. I did and it wasn't anything special, not for gaming anyway. IMO, it's not worth it unless u're already planning on getting a new keyboard already. I love the soft and inexpensive feel of just a regular keyboard--it's quiet too. Never have broke one either in the decades of use, and if one does break it's cheap as chips to replace. I think the whole market for mechanical keyboards is a scam to be honest.
Some people prefer Domes versus Mech keyboard, but i mean i prefer Mech keyboards and especially the cherry blues due to the fact that you have that crazy tactile feedback and that nice sharp sound everytime you type something.
Dont say something is a scam just cause you dont like it, but yeah its just opinion.
Oh BTW there are mechanical rubber domes called Topre switches, and they are basically a combination of a rubber dome and a spring inside, go check them out on elitekeyboards, but they are like ridiculously expensive, like about 250+ dollars
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On April 18 2011 02:59 Automata wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 02:28 LaiShin wrote:On April 18 2011 00:28 Automata wrote:On April 17 2011 23:59 Imperative wrote:
I got a Filco Majectouch nKRO with Cherry MX blue keys. THe nKRO is useless for SC2 but the build quality is great! I've never owned such a hefty solid keyboard before. Plus it looks awesome too. I think the switch type is a matter of personal preference though. Cherry MX Blues are great for typing - the sound and tactile feedback reminds me of a typewriter lol How important is NKRO in terms of sc2 anyways? I'm debating on getting a mechanical keyboard but willing to get something cheaper like Razer BW or 6gv2 (both don't have NKRO IIRC). The only games I play are SC2/TF2/BFBC2, so I don't know how important is NRKO. Well, he did say in his post "THe nKRO is useless for SC2..." You'll have 4-6 key rollovers which is more than enough for sc2/most FPS. Razer BW is a good budget mech if you're a blues man. -> 6 keys I don't recommend jumping on the mech bandwagon. I did and it wasn't anything special, not for gaming anyway. IMO, it's not worth it unless u're already planning on getting a new keyboard already. I've been using my current logitech media keyboard since 2003 basically thing is as sturdy as anything I've used but I want to get a new keyboard soon. I can get the BW for $60+tax (price matched locally), think that's a good deal? How durable is the BW?
Quite durrable, just dont do funky things with it thats my suggestion, like probably shaking the crap out of it like i did. the cool thing is that the keys are so tight together liquid doesnt go through the cracks which is pretty cool. Anyways, 60 bucks for a nice mech keyboard with lasered keys and a bit more of functions is quite nice, go ahead and grab one. if you dont like it, return it, places like amazon have a free refund policy if it breaks or anything or you dont like it, so go ahead and try one.
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On April 18 2011 02:59 BobGayman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 02:55 ffdestiny wrote:On April 18 2011 02:28 LaiShin wrote:On April 18 2011 00:28 Automata wrote:On April 17 2011 23:59 Imperative wrote:
I got a Filco Majectouch nKRO with Cherry MX blue keys. THe nKRO is useless for SC2 but the build quality is great! I've never owned such a hefty solid keyboard before. Plus it looks awesome too. I think the switch type is a matter of personal preference though. Cherry MX Blues are great for typing - the sound and tactile feedback reminds me of a typewriter lol How important is NKRO in terms of sc2 anyways? I'm debating on getting a mechanical keyboard but willing to get something cheaper like Razer BW or 6gv2 (both don't have NKRO IIRC). The only games I play are SC2/TF2/BFBC2, so I don't know how important is NRKO. Well, he did say in his post "THe nKRO is useless for SC2..." You'll have 4-6 key rollovers which is more than enough for sc2/most FPS. Razer BW is a good budget mech if you're a blues man. -> 6 keys I don't recommend jumping on the mech bandwagon. I did and it wasn't anything special, not for gaming anyway. IMO, it's not worth it unless u're already planning on getting a new keyboard already. I love the soft and inexpensive feel of just a regular keyboard--it's quiet too. Never have broke one either in the decades of use, and if one does break it's cheap as chips to replace. I think the whole market for mechanical keyboards is a scam to be honest. And you obviously know what you're talking about.
Well, I have used keyboards of any type, since I was just a kid. But I think you're just trying to be flippant, which is fine. Justify why a mechanical keyboard needs to be $100 dollars when a regular soft domed keyboard is fine. Some of the additions to the mechanical keyboards are outright ridiculous--the "clicking" sound is both annoying, wakes up/bothers significant others, and you absolutely don't need tactile feedback if you're gaming, because you're applying full pressure to the keys. Also, USB doesn't do full NKRO, it does around 5 to 6 maximum and I don't think you want to go playing any game while holding down 5 to 6 keys simultaneously just for the effect of doing so.
The durability I can sort of stand, but like I said, I don't see the point when a regular soft-domed keyboard is going to last, until your next purchase--the advantage of having "millions of keystrokes" seems more like marketing lingo and less like reality. It's perfectly fine if you want to just spend money, but outside of that, I don't see the validity of the claims that it's better somehow. Mechanical keyboards are better for typists, not gamers, and not all typists.
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It's obvious you just don't value or appreciate tactile and auditory feedback. That's fine. You don't "need" it as much as you don't "need" comfortable running shoes.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 18 2011 03:11 ffdestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 02:59 BobGayman wrote:On April 18 2011 02:55 ffdestiny wrote:On April 18 2011 02:28 LaiShin wrote:On April 18 2011 00:28 Automata wrote:On April 17 2011 23:59 Imperative wrote:
I got a Filco Majectouch nKRO with Cherry MX blue keys. THe nKRO is useless for SC2 but the build quality is great! I've never owned such a hefty solid keyboard before. Plus it looks awesome too. I think the switch type is a matter of personal preference though. Cherry MX Blues are great for typing - the sound and tactile feedback reminds me of a typewriter lol How important is NKRO in terms of sc2 anyways? I'm debating on getting a mechanical keyboard but willing to get something cheaper like Razer BW or 6gv2 (both don't have NKRO IIRC). The only games I play are SC2/TF2/BFBC2, so I don't know how important is NRKO. Well, he did say in his post "THe nKRO is useless for SC2..." You'll have 4-6 key rollovers which is more than enough for sc2/most FPS. Razer BW is a good budget mech if you're a blues man. -> 6 keys I don't recommend jumping on the mech bandwagon. I did and it wasn't anything special, not for gaming anyway. IMO, it's not worth it unless u're already planning on getting a new keyboard already. I love the soft and inexpensive feel of just a regular keyboard--it's quiet too. Never have broke one either in the decades of use, and if one does break it's cheap as chips to replace. I think the whole market for mechanical keyboards is a scam to be honest. And you obviously know what you're talking about. Well, I have used keyboards of any type, since I was just a kid. But I think you're just trying to be flippant, which is fine. Justify why a mechanical keyboard needs to be $100 dollars when a regular soft domed keyboard is fine. Some of the additions to the mechanical keyboards are outright ridiculous--the "clicking" sound is both annoying, wakes up/bothers significant others, and you absolutely don't need tactile feedback if you're gaming, because you're applying full pressure to the keys. Also, USB doesn't do full NKRO, it does around 5 to 6 maximum and I don't think you want to go playing any game while holding down 5 to 6 keys simultaneously just for the effect of doing so. The durability I can sort of stand, but like I said, I don't see the point when a regular soft-domed keyboard is going to last, until your next purchase--the advantage of having "millions of keystrokes" seems more like marketing lingo and less like reality. It's perfectly fine if you want to just spend money, but outside of that, I don't see the validity of the claims that it's better somehow. Mechanical keyboards are better for typists, not gamers, and not all typists.
For many people, regular rubber dome keyboards are just fine; however, fine is also very subjective. Obviously, if you find the "clicking" sound annoying, you wouldn't get a mechanical keyboard with loud switches. No one said you "need" tactile feedback for gaming. Again, it's just a preference if you like the feeling. For myself personally, I justify my purchase because I don't mind spending $100 on a piece of equipment that I physically interact with for several hours everyday. Yes, functionally I can get the same things done with a regular rubber dome keyboard, but I'd rather do it on something that I enjoy typing on. If you like the feel of regular dome keyboards, then all the power to you. Also, there are several mechanical keyboards that support full NKRO over USB.
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If anyone is looking for a 6gv2 I have a brand new one in the box I will sell you for a deal. PM me. Bought as a spare to take to Columbus but now I won't be able to make Columbus unfortunately.
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Those who are saying that mechanical keyboards are a waste of money should really try one out. I just tested the Zowie Celeritas, 6GV2 and Blackwidow and it's just awesome to play and type with it. For me it's not just a subjective preferences. It's DEFINITELY way more precise than any other rubber dome keyboard I used. I for example always had problems when quickly adding single units to my hotkey group due to the imprecise rubber domes, never happened while using a machanical keyboard.
I rather buy on mechanical for 100€ than spending 3 times 30€ on rubber domes I dont really enjoy.
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Unless you try a mechanical keyboard and use it for awhile it's going to be hard to fully understand how nice they can be. I picked up a daskeyboard after using the original G15, Razer Lachesis and a generic logitech media keyboard and I would never go back.
It feels effortless to type on mechanical switches; typing on anything else feels like I'm pressing against a brick wall.
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I need help with the switches on these filco's, it doesn't list the colour. I'm looking for possibly red, but blue or brown would be better. Already have a mx blue blackwidow and mx black 6g but really want to try a filco out.
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_search.asp?SG=10023
They just list the feel, not the colour of the switch.
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On April 18 2011 16:06 Filter wrote:I need help with the switches on these filco's, it doesn't list the colour. I'm looking for possibly red, but blue or brown would be better. Already have a mx blue blackwidow and mx black 6g but really want to try a filco out. http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_search.asp?SG=10023They just list the feel, not the colour of the switch.
click action = blue
tactile action = brown
linear action = black
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The switch type is mentioned in the description text ... top one is Brown, middle one is Blue, third one is Black.
If you are looking for Red switches from Keyboardco, then look here
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My filco with blue switches will arrive today hopefully. This will be my first mechanical keyboard. Cant wait to come home from work and test this bad boy 
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i highly recommend the leopold full sized cherry red keyboards
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I currently have a 6g which uses blacks and a blackwidow which uses blues. I like the blackwidow more but want to get a filco fairly badly, just for the sake of it honestly. Should I opt for browns, or wait out for blues? anybody with experience have a recommendation here.
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On April 18 2011 03:01 LanTAs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 02:55 ffdestiny wrote:On April 18 2011 02:28 LaiShin wrote:On April 18 2011 00:28 Automata wrote:On April 17 2011 23:59 Imperative wrote:
I got a Filco Majectouch nKRO with Cherry MX blue keys. THe nKRO is useless for SC2 but the build quality is great! I've never owned such a hefty solid keyboard before. Plus it looks awesome too. I think the switch type is a matter of personal preference though. Cherry MX Blues are great for typing - the sound and tactile feedback reminds me of a typewriter lol How important is NKRO in terms of sc2 anyways? I'm debating on getting a mechanical keyboard but willing to get something cheaper like Razer BW or 6gv2 (both don't have NKRO IIRC). The only games I play are SC2/TF2/BFBC2, so I don't know how important is NRKO. Well, he did say in his post "THe nKRO is useless for SC2..." You'll have 4-6 key rollovers which is more than enough for sc2/most FPS. Razer BW is a good budget mech if you're a blues man. -> 6 keys I don't recommend jumping on the mech bandwagon. I did and it wasn't anything special, not for gaming anyway. IMO, it's not worth it unless u're already planning on getting a new keyboard already. I love the soft and inexpensive feel of just a regular keyboard--it's quiet too. Never have broke one either in the decades of use, and if one does break it's cheap as chips to replace. I think the whole market for mechanical keyboards is a scam to be honest. Some people prefer Domes versus Mech keyboard, but i mean i prefer Mech keyboards and especially the cherry blues due to the fact that you have that crazy tactile feedback and that nice sharp sound everytime you type something. Dont say something is a scam just cause you dont like it, but yeah its just opinion. Oh BTW there are mechanical rubber domes called Topre switches, and they are basically a combination of a rubber dome and a spring inside, go check them out on elitekeyboards, but they are like ridiculously expensive, like about 250+ dollars
Honestly, I have a Cherry Blue mech keyboard and I can say that "gaming" mech keyboards are as much of scam as "gaming" keyboards in general. The benefit in mech keyboards is that they take a lot less effort to press and use, but when you are playing StarCraft with adrenaline pumping, you will be bottoming out and you won't be noticing the tactile bump and you won't be noticing the audible feedback. Economically, if you play a lot of games, it makes a lot more sense to get a good rubber membrane keyboard and then replace it each time it goes bad.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love mech keyboards and I would recommend them to anyone who types a lot for their occupation (students and forum trolls being some of them). But when you have companies like Razer make a Cherry MX Blue keyboard for Dragon Age II (why in the world would you ever need that)? That's when you know the companies are trying to rip you off, and you would be justified in pulling out the "scam" word. You can MAYBE justify getting a mech keyboard for StarCraft II if you are a professional with a high APM, but just a layman gamer would absolutely have no use for a mech keyboard for StarCraft II, and I have no doubt that many gamers "enjoying" the benefits of a mech keyboard are really just enjoying a placebo effect.
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On April 21 2011 11:36 vindKtiv wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 03:01 LanTAs wrote:On April 18 2011 02:55 ffdestiny wrote:On April 18 2011 02:28 LaiShin wrote:On April 18 2011 00:28 Automata wrote:On April 17 2011 23:59 Imperative wrote:
I got a Filco Majectouch nKRO with Cherry MX blue keys. THe nKRO is useless for SC2 but the build quality is great! I've never owned such a hefty solid keyboard before. Plus it looks awesome too. I think the switch type is a matter of personal preference though. Cherry MX Blues are great for typing - the sound and tactile feedback reminds me of a typewriter lol How important is NKRO in terms of sc2 anyways? I'm debating on getting a mechanical keyboard but willing to get something cheaper like Razer BW or 6gv2 (both don't have NKRO IIRC). The only games I play are SC2/TF2/BFBC2, so I don't know how important is NRKO. Well, he did say in his post "THe nKRO is useless for SC2..." You'll have 4-6 key rollovers which is more than enough for sc2/most FPS. Razer BW is a good budget mech if you're a blues man. -> 6 keys I don't recommend jumping on the mech bandwagon. I did and it wasn't anything special, not for gaming anyway. IMO, it's not worth it unless u're already planning on getting a new keyboard already. I love the soft and inexpensive feel of just a regular keyboard--it's quiet too. Never have broke one either in the decades of use, and if one does break it's cheap as chips to replace. I think the whole market for mechanical keyboards is a scam to be honest. Some people prefer Domes versus Mech keyboard, but i mean i prefer Mech keyboards and especially the cherry blues due to the fact that you have that crazy tactile feedback and that nice sharp sound everytime you type something. Dont say something is a scam just cause you dont like it, but yeah its just opinion. Oh BTW there are mechanical rubber domes called Topre switches, and they are basically a combination of a rubber dome and a spring inside, go check them out on elitekeyboards, but they are like ridiculously expensive, like about 250+ dollars Honestly, I have a Cherry Blue mech keyboard and I can say that "gaming" mech keyboards are as much of scam as "gaming" keyboards in general. The benefit in mech keyboards is that they take a lot less effort to press and use, but when you are playing StarCraft with adrenaline pumping, you will be bottoming out and you won't be noticing the tactile bump and you won't be noticing the audible feedback. Economically, if you play a lot of games, it makes a lot more sense to get a good rubber membrane keyboard and then replace it each time it goes bad. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love mech keyboards and I would recommend them to anyone who types a lot for their occupation (students and forum trolls being some of them). But when you have companies like Razer make a Cherry MX Blue keyboard for Dragon Age II (why in the world would you ever need that)? That's when you know the companies are trying to rip you off, and you would be justified in pulling out the "scam" word. You can MAYBE justify getting a mech keyboard for StarCraft II if you are a professional with a high APM, but just a layman gamer would absolutely have no use for a mech keyboard for StarCraft II, and I have no doubt that many gamers "enjoying" the benefits of a mech keyboard are really just enjoying a placebo effect.
Typing on blues in general is fun ^.^
i Broke my BlackWidow, probably gonna get cherry browns or maybe blues again but a leopold tenkeyless T.T razer build quality =(
but yeah, a lot of "Gaming" shit is a scam, the only good "gaming" products is the SS siberia V2 which has amazing comfort, and the MX518 is a good mouse, very comfortable. only reason why i buy gaming shit is cause sometimes the product is more comfortable than normal cheap keyboards or "ergonomic" things.
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Apologies if its already been covered but a few searches turned up nothing; I am used to the large, spacious feel of my g15 v1, which I enjoy typing with but definately want to get a red or brown switch keyboard sometime in the near future; As far as i can identify most if not all mech keyboards look 'standard' which feels a bit cramped, are there any larger or more spaced out mechs available? What is my best bet for adjustment?
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