EPTThis was not an official podcast. This was a guy turning a camera on so the fans could enjoy part of an afterparty. If you don't understand how the tone will differ between those two then you have more important things to worry about.
An open letter to djWheat and the Liveon3 folks - Page 12
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Rokk
United States425 Posts
This was not an official podcast. This was a guy turning a camera on so the fans could enjoy part of an afterparty. If you don't understand how the tone will differ between those two then you have more important things to worry about. | ||
Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
On November 09 2010 03:27 Brutus wrote: They had a party, BUT AT WHAT COST? I really like this comment, haha. It's simple and makes me laugh every time I read it. | ||
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NikonTC
United Kingdom418 Posts
People are... obsessed with getting the game out there and onto television. To the point where posts like this crop up, rebuking members of the SC2 community for HAVING A PARTY. Where is your foresight? You must know the biggest barrier right now to e-sports being widely accepted is still the whole "nerd" image.. and anything that breaks down that image, say, a podcast showing prominent members of the community realxing and having a good time after a tournament in the same way anyone else would is actually going to help things if anything. And consider this for a moment. Say tomorrow a huge TV station approached blizzard and asked for tv rights to cover SC2 tournaments. The only catch is that they'd seen a podcast of some caster drunk, and felt that it was unproffesional, therefore they were going to find their own commentators, guys in suits in their 40's similar to every other sports cast out there, guys who'd never played the game, but had never been drunk on a camera before. Would you watch it? I wouldn't. | ||
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SC2Syndicate
United States134 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 09 2010 03:29 Chill wrote: I understand the OP's point clearly and I disagree with it. You are arguing that the broadcast of this party will have a negative effect on the "success of ESports (which by the way, is such a crutch for a bad argument; People demand others do things "for the good of ESports" without even consdering what that means or how we achieve it or what the benefits will be)". I am saying that the benefits I will receive, several years later, through the "success as ESports", are far, far, FAR less than the happiness I received yesterday by watching these guys on stream. People also don't realize that "eSports" will never grow if it isn't fun. Sports doesn't stay alive because of the top. It stays alive because of every level of play. Why would people want to be apart of some super serious 24/7 thing? | ||
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gundream
United States229 Posts
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
The success of SC2 will depend on how the game will hold up, and how entertaining it is to watch for people. It will depend on how good the infrastructure is (bnet 2.0 lol). If you provide good games and good casting on the air, what you do outside the tournament isn't gonna make people less interested in watching the games or recommending them to friends. If the games are bad, full of technical issues, and have horrible casting, then no amount of politeness or professionalism outside the tourney will save it. I will go as far as to say the success of esports doesn't depend AT ALL on the behavior of those involved when outside the event. As long as they remain professional during the broadcast, then the games (which is pretty much all casual fans will care about, and most of what hardcore fans care about) will be enjoyable. | ||
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-Frog-
United States514 Posts
Getting to know your favorite player while they are in a relaxed environment humanizes them and makes you want to root for them even more when they are playing. A person becomes more than just an ID and their gameplay when you get to see what they're like in a non-serious atmosphere. The interviews at the afterparty were unique because they were candid (at least to a degree). Contrast that to the post-game interviews which are always brief and highly "professional" and I think you'll agree that they give the players more character and personality. | ||
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AirbladeOrange
United States2574 Posts
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BWILLdur
United States100 Posts
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Polygamy
Austria1114 Posts
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On November 09 2010 03:16 Chill wrote: I love the demands. Do you think John Madden avoids dropping BJ jokes on a livestream because of his professional reputation, contractual obligations, or for the good of football? Okay, now let's see which of those are analogous to DJWheat's situation... hmm... Hm, I wasn't demanding anything. I said I "wanted" a couple of things -- it's just my opinion. I think John Madden avoids dropping BJ jokes for all three of the reasons you mentioned, among a host of others (like...that's not his humor). Not sure what your point there was..? I just think picking and choosing streams would be wise in the future. Not trying to start a fight here -- this is simply my opinion. I love SC2 and I want to see it thrive as a legitimate business and professional vehicle. Cheers. | ||
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Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
On November 09 2010 03:51 IPA wrote: Hm, I wasn't demanding anything. I said I "wanted" a couple of things -- it's just my opinion. I think John Madden avoids dropping BJ jokes for all three of the reasons you mentioned, among a host of others (like...that's not his humor). Not sure what your point there was..? I just think picking and choosing streams would be wise in the future. Not trying to start a fight here -- this is simply my opinion. I love SC2 and I want to see it thrive as a legitimate business and professional vehicle. Cheers. My point is that you said they shouldn't do it to further the success of ESports. And then your next point was about John Madden never doing that. The implication was John Madden doesn't do that because he wants to preserve the reputation of football. My assumption is that John Madden doesn't do it: - 90% to protect his reputation as a broadcaster - 9.9% contractual obligations - 0.1% to preserve the reputation of football. This makes the comparison between John Madden and DJWheat a bad one. | ||
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
Jesus H. Christ. It's | ||
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Anselm
United States45 Posts
On November 09 2010 03:29 Chill wrote: I understand the OP's point clearly and I disagree with it. You are arguing that the broadcast of this party will have a negative effect on the "success of ESports (which by the way, is such a crutch for a bad argument; People demand others do things "for the good of ESports" without even consdering what that means or how we achieve it or what the benefits will be)". I am saying that the benefits I will receive, several years later, through the "success as ESports", are far, far, FAR less than the happiness I received yesterday by watching these guys on stream. I completely and totally agree. My point in bringing this up is not to point out that the environment was a negative experience or that it wasn't worth the 3-4 hours that I watched it. I am not even saying that I was personally offended by his comments. I am, however, pointing out the last two minutes as the starting point of the negative combination of alcohol and web-cams. There is a point when people stop caring about what gets put out there. I am saying the they skirted that line last night and that the awesomeness of streaming from a casual environment where everyone is obviously having a great time relaxing can over shadow those negative effects. As I said earlier, I think the cameras got turned off just in time. Should they have kept going or people had not been sober enough to realize that they were still streaming, things may have been much, much worse. I posted as a caution not as someone who thought it was a terrible idea. I think its a great idea and I am grateful that Wheat had the presence of mind to know when enough was enough. | ||
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retro-noob
110 Posts
Again, I think he's wrong here, but I think he might not be that far off concerning the future of esports not too far down the road. A few of those guys are really interested in seeing esports become more mainstream, and almost all of those guys are interested in it becoming more lucrative. Those two things happen through ad money and sponsorships. Chill -- to answer your earlier question about why Madden doesn't say stuff like that on the air, it's a contractual obligation and reputation issue. Where do those pressures come from though? Because companies are wary of what they associate with, and companies associating with football is good for football. Football is a corporation, so they split that stuff into layers, but at the top, there's a leader who gets the need for discretion. Nothing bad happened last night (at least not that I saw), and it's good that they refused to show the party directly. That was savvy on Wheat's part. In general, Wheat is really solid with that kind of decision-making. He gets it. As esports grows, it will be more and more important to bake in some discretion, buffers, etiquette or media-training to minimize the risk of someone accidentally doing something that spooks a source of money. That doesn't mean you have to whitewash everyone completely. In every sport there are guys that are total characters or even border-line problems who manage to stay within the bounds 99% of the time. McEnroe, Chad Johnson, Muhammad Ali, Shaq, etc.. It's just a balance between -- where's our money coming from, what are they sensitive to, how much can we trust our players, and what precautions do we need to take? I watched every bit of the cast last night and loved it. Again, I saw nothing wrong, and even if something bad had happened, the scene is too small right now for it to matter unless it was something sensational and/or flagrant. It's not a bad thing to be aware of though as the money and attention grow. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
Interesting.... | ||
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Brad
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Protoss_Carrier
414 Posts
On November 09 2010 03:26 Schamus wrote: Yeah, I'm a vice president of Alpha Sigma Phi at my campus (AT Chapter) and quite frankly i have just given up fighting off that war. It's useless, I can convince someone that not all fraternities are like that then 5 seconds later the word "frat" is being thrown around in reference to crazy drunken glory. Hey! I am an alumni of alpha sig and I went to UC Berkeley, good to see fellow alpha sig members play SC. | ||
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Raskit
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