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Aquafresh
Profile Joined May 2007
United States824 Posts
November 08 2010 18:11 GMT
#181
Eh as soon is it started it should have been obvious it wouldn't be a professional deal, or even something that promised some good SC discussion like SotG. It was just a bunch of guys drinking and interviewing some players at an after party, which oddly enough kept me entertained while I got some work done.

That being said there were some legitimately good interviews that anyone interested in the players or just the overall future of SC2 should probably watch. Painuser gave a good interview, incontrol gave a good interview, and NonY and ret gave really good interviews that would have reflected very well on the scene were there not a party going on in the background. Yeah slasher was annoying at the end, but it is what it is. I think it pretty much delivered the goods regardless, and you're probably over-blowing the effect of the etiquette issues, at least for this specifically.
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
November 08 2010 18:11 GMT
#182
I highly doubt any professional football player ever uttered any profanity on air.

Are you for real? There is an entire press industry in the UK devoted to football player's afterparties.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
November 08 2010 18:12 GMT
#183
Okay, next time the cameras will be off. Good work guys, you did it.
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Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 18:13:29
November 08 2010 18:12 GMT
#184
On November 09 2010 03:08 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 03:04 Ygz wrote:
This thread is hilarious. I can't believe people exist who get so riled up over something that is completely asinine. I also noted somewhere in the thread someone mentioned the word "lawsuit" in relation to what got said on the cast, haha!

It was a party. Let me say that again in case that never sunk in, IT WAS A PARTY! Parties generally contain a lot of nonsense, frolics and other monkey antics. Crazy I know!

If we are to support the growth of e-sports we have to stop acting like drunk idiots. There's a reason alcohol has an age-limit and we shouldn't expose underage viewers to the negative side effects of the potentially lethal drug. The professionalism was lacking and people new to the Starcraft 2/E-sports scene will now associate Starcraft 2 with alcohol.

What parents would want their children to see alcohol in association with their video games? Same with swearing, I heard Incontrol drop the f-bomb several times. When was the last time we heard the f-bomb when watching professional sports? I highly doubt any professional football player ever uttered any profanity on air.


Party != E-sports

This wasn't MLG, this was a USTREAM called cat-in-a-box

EDIT: What chill said
"If you don't give a shit which gum you buy, get stride" - Tyler
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
November 08 2010 18:14 GMT
#185
Support the OP.

MLG casters are the face of legitimate esports in America (other than the players). They represent something larger than themselves (their employer, etc). Accept the responsibility and quit acting like frat brahs *on a live stream*.

If Marv Albert or John Madden dropped a BJ joke or acted like an idiot on camera at a post-NFL game party, they would be terminated. I want esports to be as large as the NFL. I want these dudes to accept that mantle of responsibility and step up.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
November 08 2010 18:15 GMT
#186
On November 09 2010 03:14 IPA wrote:
Support the OP.

MLG casters are the face of legitimate esports in America (other than the players). They represent something larger than themselves (their employer, etc). Accept the responsibility and quit acting like frat brahs *on a live stream*.

If Marv Albert or John Madden dropped a BJ joke or acted like an idiot on camera at a post-NFL game party, they would be terminated. I want esports to be as large as the NFL. I want these dudes to accept that mantle of responsibility and step up.


Assuming John madden's fan even know what a livestream is
"If you don't give a shit which gum you buy, get stride" - Tyler
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
November 08 2010 18:16 GMT
#187
On November 09 2010 03:14 IPA wrote:
Support the OP.

MLG casters are the face of legitimate esports in America (other than the players). They represent something larger than themselves (their employer, etc). Accept the responsibility and quit acting like frat brahs *on a live stream*.

If Marv Albert or John Madden dropped a BJ joke or acted like an idiot on camera at a post-NFL game party, they would be terminated. I want esports to be as large as the NFL. I want these dudes to accept that mantle of responsibility and step up.

I love the demands. Do you think John Madden avoids dropping BJ jokes on a livestream because of his professional reputation, contractual obligations, or for the good of football?

Okay, now let's see which of those are analogous to DJWheat's situation... hmm...
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mcleod
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada350 Posts
November 08 2010 18:17 GMT
#188
On November 09 2010 03:12 Chill wrote:
Okay, next time the cameras will be off. Good work guys, you did it.

exactly

they went out of their way to get this up and spent 2+hours doing interviews and such
yes it was in a party atmosphere , if you didnt like it TURN YOUR STREAM OFF
you dont have to watch, no one is making you . you dont think these guys would rather just be enjoying themselves after 3 hard days work but instead they think of the community first and put this up

props to DJ wheat, Sirscoots and slasher for a really interesting night
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
November 08 2010 18:17 GMT
#189
I love you Chill.
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Strut
Profile Joined June 2010
United States182 Posts
November 08 2010 18:18 GMT
#190
On November 09 2010 03:08 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 03:04 Ygz wrote:
This thread is hilarious. I can't believe people exist who get so riled up over something that is completely asinine. I also noted somewhere in the thread someone mentioned the word "lawsuit" in relation to what got said on the cast, haha!

It was a party. Let me say that again in case that never sunk in, IT WAS A PARTY! Parties generally contain a lot of nonsense, frolics and other monkey antics. Crazy I know!

If we are to support the growth of e-sports we have to stop acting like drunk idiots. There's a reason alcohol has an age-limit and we shouldn't expose underage viewers to the negative side effects of the potentially lethal drug. The professionalism was lacking and people new to the Starcraft 2/E-sports scene will now associate Starcraft 2 with alcohol.

What parents would want their children to see alcohol in association with their video games? Same with swearing, I heard Incontrol drop the f-bomb several times. When was the last time we heard the f-bomb when watching professional sports? I highly doubt any professional football player ever uttered any profanity on air.


this is a dumb post. not everyone in the sc2 community has to be a rolemodel for e-sports. stop worrying about everything being professional and what your mother would say, thats not going to get starcraft 2 in the spotlight any faster.

the growth of e-sports right now is about increasings its fan base, not pleasing critics. so content like the show last night is a great way for fans to see the players in another light.
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
November 08 2010 18:18 GMT
#191
On November 09 2010 03:12 Twistacles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 03:08 vyyye wrote:
On November 09 2010 03:04 Ygz wrote:
This thread is hilarious. I can't believe people exist who get so riled up over something that is completely asinine. I also noted somewhere in the thread someone mentioned the word "lawsuit" in relation to what got said on the cast, haha!

It was a party. Let me say that again in case that never sunk in, IT WAS A PARTY! Parties generally contain a lot of nonsense, frolics and other monkey antics. Crazy I know!

If we are to support the growth of e-sports we have to stop acting like drunk idiots. There's a reason alcohol has an age-limit and we shouldn't expose underage viewers to the negative side effects of the potentially lethal drug. The professionalism was lacking and people new to the Starcraft 2/E-sports scene will now associate Starcraft 2 with alcohol.

What parents would want their children to see alcohol in association with their video games? Same with swearing, I heard Incontrol drop the f-bomb several times. When was the last time we heard the f-bomb when watching professional sports? I highly doubt any professional football player ever uttered any profanity on air.


Party != E-sports

This wasn't MLG, this was a USTREAM called cat-in-a-box

EDIT: What chill said

And here I was thinking my post was exaggerated enough for people to understand it was nothing but satire. Making fun of similar posts, if you will.
bri9and
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States246 Posts
November 08 2010 18:18 GMT
#192
A webcam in a hotel room is not a MLG sponsored event nor does it say anything about SC2 eSports. The guys were drinking, having a good time and said some things they probably thought were funny at the time.. Instead of being so critical of something you didnt have to watch, try to lighten up a bit..

Oh, and I really think that both casters are trying to lose the title "professional annalist"
I don't have time to play with myself
SchAmToo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1141 Posts
November 08 2010 18:19 GMT
#193
So wait, people had a party and streamed it. Because these people were recently casters of MLG, they were associated with MLG or am I missing something here...
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
November 08 2010 18:20 GMT
#194
God what's with all the negativity towards frats in here. Is there anyone else here affiliated? It's not all like animal house you know. Fraternities/Sororities are generally the biggest contributers towards charities on campus. Last year the Greek system on my campus raised at least ~$150,000 for various charities... blah.
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
November 08 2010 18:21 GMT
#195
On November 09 2010 03:18 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 03:12 Twistacles wrote:
On November 09 2010 03:08 vyyye wrote:
On November 09 2010 03:04 Ygz wrote:
This thread is hilarious. I can't believe people exist who get so riled up over something that is completely asinine. I also noted somewhere in the thread someone mentioned the word "lawsuit" in relation to what got said on the cast, haha!

It was a party. Let me say that again in case that never sunk in, IT WAS A PARTY! Parties generally contain a lot of nonsense, frolics and other monkey antics. Crazy I know!

If we are to support the growth of e-sports we have to stop acting like drunk idiots. There's a reason alcohol has an age-limit and we shouldn't expose underage viewers to the negative side effects of the potentially lethal drug. The professionalism was lacking and people new to the Starcraft 2/E-sports scene will now associate Starcraft 2 with alcohol.

What parents would want their children to see alcohol in association with their video games? Same with swearing, I heard Incontrol drop the f-bomb several times. When was the last time we heard the f-bomb when watching professional sports? I highly doubt any professional football player ever uttered any profanity on air.


Party != E-sports

This wasn't MLG, this was a USTREAM called cat-in-a-box

EDIT: What chill said

And here I was thinking my post was exaggerated enough for people to understand it was nothing but satire. Making fun of similar posts, if you will.


Oh damn, I got trolled hard. Kind of expected with the stupidity in this thread, though.
"If you don't give a shit which gum you buy, get stride" - Tyler
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
November 08 2010 18:22 GMT
#196
Dear LO3 crew,
I was sincerely offended and confused by Slasher's ponytail and Macbook Air. Dj Wheat and SirScoots, please take the appropriate measures to amend these grotesque perversions in the future.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Ygz
Profile Joined June 2010
England370 Posts
November 08 2010 18:22 GMT
#197
On November 09 2010 03:18 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 03:12 Twistacles wrote:
On November 09 2010 03:08 vyyye wrote:
On November 09 2010 03:04 Ygz wrote:
This thread is hilarious. I can't believe people exist who get so riled up over something that is completely asinine. I also noted somewhere in the thread someone mentioned the word "lawsuit" in relation to what got said on the cast, haha!

It was a party. Let me say that again in case that never sunk in, IT WAS A PARTY! Parties generally contain a lot of nonsense, frolics and other monkey antics. Crazy I know!

If we are to support the growth of e-sports we have to stop acting like drunk idiots. There's a reason alcohol has an age-limit and we shouldn't expose underage viewers to the negative side effects of the potentially lethal drug. The professionalism was lacking and people new to the Starcraft 2/E-sports scene will now associate Starcraft 2 with alcohol.

What parents would want their children to see alcohol in association with their video games? Same with swearing, I heard Incontrol drop the f-bomb several times. When was the last time we heard the f-bomb when watching professional sports? I highly doubt any professional football player ever uttered any profanity on air.


Party != E-sports

This wasn't MLG, this was a USTREAM called cat-in-a-box

EDIT: What chill said

And here I was thinking my post was exaggerated enough for people to understand it was nothing but satire. Making fun of similar posts, if you will.


I thought it was quite epic. For a moment, you almost sounded American.
Everything Newton said.
MagnusHyperion
Profile Joined August 2010
United States288 Posts
November 08 2010 18:22 GMT
#198
You know what I see a lot of in this thread. I see a lot of people new to e-sports (joined w/ SC2 and probably don't know anything about the 12 year old e-sport scene) thinking that it is okay to broadcast lewd and belligerent behavior. On the other hand people like the OP approach e-Sports with a certain reverence and respect.

I think that anyone who disagrees with the OP is actually not understanding the point. The point is not that they shouldn't drink, relax, and kick back but that they shouldn't BROADCAST it. No one is saying they shouldn't have a good time but the real question becomes one of image for the scene.

Now I know a lot of people are new to e-sports so I'll put this candidly, please reference the success of Korean E-Sports before you make assertions about Foreign E-Sports. Korean E-Sports presents a very respectable, professional image which is one reason it is able to become so incredibly mainstream (multiple TV channels that cast BW). The players and coaches keep their personal celebrations largely private and though definitely show joy at winning, do not use vulgar language or make sexist remarks.

If you want foreign E-Sports to succeed, then you should probably copy the most successful E-Sports model out there. A good place to start is the 12 year old, mainstream, nationally supported BW scene in Korea.

Again, the main point that the OP and people like myself are trying to make is that you need to make sure the Foreign scene maintains a certain level of professionalism so that critics of it aren't even given the opportunity to pull up obscure, unpublicized clips that could possibly detract from the image. No one has a problem with celebration, happiness, and relaxation, but there is a problem with vulgarity and rudeness.
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Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 18:26:17
November 08 2010 18:23 GMT
#199
The OP is oversensitive and draws stupid conclusions, I can't help but to sigh very loudly as I read his post. This was for the fans, this was at a party, this was a casual setting with no association to any companies.. it was just a fun podcast, nothing more.
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potatomash3r
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 18:25:35
November 08 2010 18:24 GMT
#200
The livestream didn't feel professional and I doubt that they were going for that at all. It was fun and it was better than nothing, since sotg fizzled out in the end. I kinda understand where the OP is coming from, but this kinda stuff does not cater to the 'casual' viewers. I highly doubt that the 2000+ viewers was a mix of casual and sc2 fans.

They did it for the fans, not to bring in new people.
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