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throttled
Profile Joined August 2010
United States382 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 22:14:52
November 08 2010 22:13 GMT
#461
On November 09 2010 07:12 Oceaniax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 06:57 SilverPotato wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:52 dacthehork wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:47 jacclark wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:17 Protoss_Carrier wrote:

Sir

If I invite my friends into my own home then open up a web cam and stream via invitation, what occurs in the stream is very much our private life. We had social functions involving a lot of alcohol use and prominent faculty members joking around, but of course, nobody was "disciplined" because they were all private citizens having a good time.

I would like you to see the crux of my argument, which is the fact that the organizer of this cast were private citizens instead of an official face of the esport they are representing.

Last of all, I would appreciate if you can tone down your phantom threat of "disclipine". I have graduated college years ago and your example and experience of being a college rep have nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Respectfully yours



Sir,

The college I am referring to is the medical college or board of your state, province or jurisdiction - not your pre-university education after high school.

For example, let me quote you the charter of such a college I am referring to:

"The Medical Board of California is a state government agency which licenses and disciplines medical doctors. The Board provides two principal types of services to consumers: public-record information about California-licensed physicians, and investigation of complaints against physicians."

As someone senior to you, it is a duty and responsibility to guide others during their education. I hope to impress upon you that you are not sharing the vein of thought held by the majority of your profession.

While on the topic of private versus public domain and information, I may agree with you personally, professionally I cannot condone it. Professionalism is important for all professionals, including E-sport broadcasters, their companies and their sponsors.

Please allow me to share a personal experience:

My Q3TDM team was invited to the finals of the PGL and in order to practice, I used to play on university computers with my classmates on Friday late evenings after our class - everyone versus myself. It was a fun way to relax with the guys after a stressful week.

When the Dean found out, I was called in and severely reprimanded for "playing violent video games in the class' computer laboratory." I was told I was disrespectful of the contributions and donations of those who funded the laboratory and I should have known better. As president of the class, I set an unprofessional example for the class and was nearly suspended from my studies for the duration of the year.

I hope this helps explain the supportive, yet cautionary tone of the letter which I believe the OP is trying to impress upon us.

Wishing the very best upon everyone.

Thank you.

Respectfully yours.


Quoting artosis "people need to take the sticks out of their asses in this community"

It's a video game man relax, also some parents don't let their kids play violent video games, should we all use their moral compass and not play SC2. The fact some groups might be super uptight shouldn't stop people from doing PRIVATE streams where they act casually.

There is something called freedom and I'm 99% sure djWHEAT can give a shit less if .1% of people watching are offended by something silly.

Instead of complaining, simply don't watch a private stream in a casual atmosphere.

Artosis isn't talking about the ones of us who want to see esports thrive. In fact, if he were talking about people like us he must not like his job as his income requires that esports not die out. He's talking about people like you who see a thread with an OP you read one line of and post flame after flame on.


Are people seriously going to start analyzing & interpreting Artosis quotes to suit their own needs like its biblical scripture?


And Artosis' Ancestors said, "WHY CAN'T WE EAT MEAT?"
"Look to the river rushing. Unparalleled in its power. It carves away at the land, eroding the banks, consuming the sands and washes away to her majesty."
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
November 08 2010 22:14 GMT
#462
On November 09 2010 07:08 Wargizmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 06:52 rally_point wrote:
I think it's great that you're voicing your opinion, but just a minor suggestion: if you spell check your letter it'll be much more effective (especially since you're using such a professional tone).

Annalist -> analyst


It was a deliberate misspelling, he didn't want to offend anyone by using the word "anal" in his post.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annalist

You're both welcome.
Protoss_Carrier
Profile Joined September 2010
414 Posts
November 08 2010 22:15 GMT
#463

While I can't honestly say I disagree with what you're saying, you can also say it's also about being agreeable and un-abrasive and not sounding like an immature jackass who can't be trusted to handle something with care. Trying to denigrate professionalism into a purely negative thing is just childish. And you're forgetting the important part here - I too work in an office job - it's that professionalism that allows you to keep that job and make money in the first place, so really, what's more important to you: being able to buy food, or being able to be yourself on the job? Professionalism is just what's necessary, that's just how it is.



Professionalism on the job = great

Professionalism when I am home/anyone's home and want to blow off steam in a professional setting = lol?
Carrier has arrived.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
November 08 2010 22:17 GMT
#464
On November 09 2010 07:13 throttled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 07:12 Oceaniax wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:57 SilverPotato wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:52 dacthehork wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:47 jacclark wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:17 Protoss_Carrier wrote:

Sir

If I invite my friends into my own home then open up a web cam and stream via invitation, what occurs in the stream is very much our private life. We had social functions involving a lot of alcohol use and prominent faculty members joking around, but of course, nobody was "disciplined" because they were all private citizens having a good time.

I would like you to see the crux of my argument, which is the fact that the organizer of this cast were private citizens instead of an official face of the esport they are representing.

Last of all, I would appreciate if you can tone down your phantom threat of "disclipine". I have graduated college years ago and your example and experience of being a college rep have nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Respectfully yours



Sir,

The college I am referring to is the medical college or board of your state, province or jurisdiction - not your pre-university education after high school.

For example, let me quote you the charter of such a college I am referring to:

"The Medical Board of California is a state government agency which licenses and disciplines medical doctors. The Board provides two principal types of services to consumers: public-record information about California-licensed physicians, and investigation of complaints against physicians."

As someone senior to you, it is a duty and responsibility to guide others during their education. I hope to impress upon you that you are not sharing the vein of thought held by the majority of your profession.

While on the topic of private versus public domain and information, I may agree with you personally, professionally I cannot condone it. Professionalism is important for all professionals, including E-sport broadcasters, their companies and their sponsors.

Please allow me to share a personal experience:

My Q3TDM team was invited to the finals of the PGL and in order to practice, I used to play on university computers with my classmates on Friday late evenings after our class - everyone versus myself. It was a fun way to relax with the guys after a stressful week.

When the Dean found out, I was called in and severely reprimanded for "playing violent video games in the class' computer laboratory." I was told I was disrespectful of the contributions and donations of those who funded the laboratory and I should have known better. As president of the class, I set an unprofessional example for the class and was nearly suspended from my studies for the duration of the year.

I hope this helps explain the supportive, yet cautionary tone of the letter which I believe the OP is trying to impress upon us.

Wishing the very best upon everyone.

Thank you.

Respectfully yours.


Quoting artosis "people need to take the sticks out of their asses in this community"

It's a video game man relax, also some parents don't let their kids play violent video games, should we all use their moral compass and not play SC2. The fact some groups might be super uptight shouldn't stop people from doing PRIVATE streams where they act casually.

There is something called freedom and I'm 99% sure djWHEAT can give a shit less if .1% of people watching are offended by something silly.

Instead of complaining, simply don't watch a private stream in a casual atmosphere.

Artosis isn't talking about the ones of us who want to see esports thrive. In fact, if he were talking about people like us he must not like his job as his income requires that esports not die out. He's talking about people like you who see a thread with an OP you read one line of and post flame after flame on.


Are people seriously going to start analyzing & interpreting Artosis quotes to suit their own needs like its biblical scripture?


And Artosis' Ancestors said, "WHY CAN'T WE EAT MEAT?"


This is indeed an imba, imba world...
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Imbu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States903 Posts
November 08 2010 22:20 GMT
#465
On November 09 2010 07:02 iEchoic wrote:
Honestly I think showing SC2 personalities partying and even being inappropriate is going to help the scene, not hurt it. The biggest problem is that SC2 players are seen as dorky. Look at the NBA, half the allure of the lifestyle is that the players can go to clubs and party. Watching other people party isn't really my thing, but this isn't a big deal.


I would have to agree with you on that. Until eSports moves away from the image of being a gathering of socially awkward people or lifeless gamers, it will have a hard time being accepted.

Personally, I thought it was awesome to be given a chance to see how all these professionals that I admire can, after a huge tournament where they are competing against each other, come together to enjoy pizza, drinks, and the company of each other. Seeing this get-together motivates me more to one day join them and meet all these awesome guys.

However, I do understand your point OP, as it does ruin the professionalism a bit, but some of the that is a tradeoff I'm willing to make to see the whole event as a more human thing.
@DreamingBird
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
November 08 2010 22:20 GMT
#466
Things Lo3 is trying to do: uncensored and interesting exposure of esports.
Things Lo3 is not trying to do: get syndicated on NPR, Vision and The Women's Television Network.

This thread is absolute garbage.
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