An open letter to djWheat and the Liveon3 folks - Page 22

And tell me sir, if that video got out, and you were applying for a job how many people would want to hire the man who records him and his friends getting drunk deliberately? You can't exactly go to an employer and say "Oh you have to hire me, thats my private life and it has nothing to do with what you think of me."

Same thing carries over for potential sponsorships for teams and tournaments in a game like SC2.

On November 09 2010 06:38 Chill wrote:

And yet your email has "superpooper" in it, so please try to explain that one.

On November 09 2010 06:43 Defacer wrote:


Being popular and successful are two different things.

That's Day9 onstage with Dustin Browder and being groom by Blizzcon.

That's Day9 being referenced in the Economist.

That's Tyler being interviewed by NPR and outlasting Huk and MLG.

That's JP working full-time for MLG.

It depends if these players want to crack jokes and appease the fanboys, or have a long career in the e-sports/ gaming industry.

Day9 is way more mature than you're giving him credit for, by the way. He knows what he can get away with, and rarely talks shit about anyone.

On November 09 2010 06:46 GenoZStriker wrote:
He said it in a mature manner dacthehork. It counts as maturity

On November 09 2010 06:17 Protoss_Carrier wrote:

Sir

If I invite my friends into my own home then open up a web cam and stream via invitation, what occurs in the stream is very much our private life. We had social functions involving a lot of alcohol use and prominent faculty members joking around, but of course, nobody was "disciplined" because they were all private citizens having a good time.

I would like you to see the crux of my argument, which is the fact that the organizer of this cast were private citizens instead of an official face of the esport they are representing.

Last of all, I would appreciate if you can tone down your phantom threat of "disclipine". I have graduated college years ago and your example and experience of being a college rep have nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Respectfully yours

On November 09 2010 05:47 LegendaryZ wrote:


First of all, what's wrong with ratings? Secondly, I think the OP has a point so far as pointing out that the way you behave on camera as a public figure not only have an impact on you, but the industry as a whole. People don't take eSports seriously because they see the industry being comprised of a bunch of vulgar, low-clas, immature kids and broadcasts like this really only enforce that kind of image. Of course one person and/or one broadcast isn't going to discredit the entire eSports industry, but I think it's important to encourage people to be a little more aware of how they represent themselves.

Of course there are plenty of people who make successful careers out of having absolutely no taste or class. Ranging from Howard Stern to Johnny Knoxville, some have made millions from basically broadcasting stupidity. While it's certainly your personal decision as to how you prefer to represent yourself, I would never want to sink down to that level and broadcasting a bunch of people getting drunk and stupid at a party is definitely something in that general direction. You can have a "no fluff" broadcast without being crude. I don't understand why people some people seem to think that this kind of behavior is what makes a cast "no fluff". It certainly is without fluff, but it also says something about the type of person you are if that's how you're choosing to behave on a public stream just because nobody's forcing you to behave otherwise.

I don't think anyone here is saying that any such broadcasts should be banned or anything like that, but just saying that the things you broadcast become part of what people see to be your character. And as a fan of eSports I would prefer people outside of the community to be able to see the faces of the community in a positive light because it furthers the credibility of the sport and it shows people that we're not just a bunch of kids that never grew up.

On November 09 2010 06:39 GenoZStriker wrote:

A bit unfair to say MLG is not serious. This cast had nothing to do with MLG and they are a strong force in eSports outside of Korea. Same with ESL.

On November 09 2010 06:38 Chill wrote:

And yet your email has "superpooper" in it, so please try to explain that one.

On November 09 2010 06:48 Teogamer wrote:
If sc2 as an esport doesn't take off because of something unrelated to the game itself, then isn't it doomed in the first place?

On November 09 2010 06:39 GenoZStriker wrote:
A bit unfair to say MLG is not serious. This cast had nothing to do with MLG and they are a strong force in eSports outside of Korea. Same with ESL.

On November 09 2010 06:47 jacclark wrote:



Sir,

The college I am referring to is the medical college or board of your state, province or jurisdiction - not your pre-university education after high school.

For example, let me quote you the charter of such a college I am referring to:

"The Medical Board of California is a state government agency which licenses and disciplines medical doctors. The Board provides two principal types of services to consumers: public-record information about California-licensed physicians, and investigation of complaints against physicians."

As someone senior to you, it is a duty and responsibility to guide others during their education. I hope to impress upon you that you are not sharing the vein of thought held by the majority of your profession.

While on the topic of private versus public domain and information, I may agree with you personally, professionally I cannot condone it. Professionalism is important for all professionals, including E-sport broadcasters, their companies and their sponsors.

Please allow me to share a personal experience:

My Q3TDM team was invited to the finals of the PGL and in order to practice, I used to play on university computers with my classmates on Friday late evenings after our class - everyone versus myself. It was a fun way to relax with the guys after a stressful week.

When the Dean found out, I was called in and severely reprimanded for "playing violent video games in the class' computer laboratory." I was told I was disrespectful of the contributions and donations of those who funded the laboratory and I should have known better. As president of the class, I set an unprofessional example for the class and was nearly suspended from my studies for the duration of the year.

I hope this helps explain the supportive, yet cautionary tone of the letter which I believe the OP is trying to impress upon us.

Wishing the very best upon everyone.

Thank you.

Respectfully yours.

On November 09 2010 06:49 Offhand wrote:
Since I voted other I guess I should specify.

I'd much rather a community similar to M:TG. Regulated, informal, and fairly popular. Since no one casts M:TG opportunities for the super-PC to be offended are minimal. The best sites are run by those with the most entertaining writers. Really, it's easily the biggest professionally played TCG game yet it's still just a bunch of high school/college kids having fun.