EPTAnyway the way I see it was that you were indirectly invited via web stream to an after party you wouldn't otherwise have been able to attend if they didn't turn a camera on. You got some good content out of it and here is the sole person that must come and complain because they went out of their way to watch a stream knowing people were drinking and partying on it. Next time you see a party broadcast on the internet don't watch it because people relaxing and having a good time offends you.
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
Anyway the way I see it was that you were indirectly invited via web stream to an after party you wouldn't otherwise have been able to attend if they didn't turn a camera on. You got some good content out of it and here is the sole person that must come and complain because they went out of their way to watch a stream knowing people were drinking and partying on it. Next time you see a party broadcast on the internet don't watch it because people relaxing and having a good time offends you. | ||
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Blademage
United States128 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:23 GenoZStriker wrote: I can tell you this right now. djWHEAT, Slasher and SirScoots have jobs. Potentional sponsorship from teams? Most of the players there are sponsored and their team managers are right there drinking with them. Potential sponsor for tournaments from who? Intel, SteelSeries, Razer? Man the people who sponsor these major tournaments are people who love gaming themselves and show up to these events and meet these gamers and in fact drink with them after the events. So yeah we don't need to worry about that unless we are trying to get sponsorship from Kellogg, Nike or Toy's R US. Omg nailed it right on the head. seriously you quoted me earlier, and ive been waiting for a post like this, cause more truth can never be said again.bravo. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:26 retro-noob wrote: I'm not worried. I'm interested; I'd like to see people like Tyler and Day[9] and DJ Wheat have long and lucrative careers riding a wave of insane growth of esports. If you don't care about that, why are you in this thread? Day9's not afraid to let the "bad words" fly on his daily. Maybe we should write an open letter for that too. | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:26 SilverPotato wrote: Tell me, why can't esports be a spot-free friendly competitive environment? Is there something wrong with doing good? Oh but I forgot, being a bunch of rabid dogs is the best way to promote our image to the world. Yeah that'll really go over well. Only Slasher was being a rabid dog, but that's just Slasher. His views and opinions do not represent those of the entire eSports community. | ||
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iammaru
Canada38 Posts
Esports isn't professional so the people involved shouldn't act professional so esports isn't professional so the people don't act professional so espor ... ... see? "As a moderator of chat channels in several streams (i even had powers on cat-in-a-box durring the event), i have to point out these key aspects, its a PRIVATE channel, sort of how this forum is a PRIVATE forum, meaning you must adhere to the rules provided, and accept its atmosphere. The show was regulated by the casters to a target audience they have always catered to, if you cannot accept this, then move on." -Blademage Why so defensive? Whether it's truly a "private" channel is dubious, so I'll let that slide - but, basically, for all intents and purposes, it's not really. Ok, yeah the cast was supposedly regulated by the casters, but I think that the issue people are having is that the cast wasn't regulated well/at all. Finally, about your advice to "move on", people with the smallest bit of foresight are concerned about esports never "moving on" if major douchbag/unprofessional behaviour gets featured on stream. | ||
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SilverPotato
United States560 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:23 GenoZStriker wrote: I can tell you this right now. djWHEAT, Slasher and SirScoots have jobs. Potentional sponsorship from teams? Most of the players there are sponsored and their team managers are right there drinking with them. As long as they are not doing drugs or get way drunk till the point where they start kissing random people and have public sex, they are safe. Potential sponsor for tournaments from who? Intel, SteelSeries, Razer? Man the people who sponsor these major tournaments are people who love gaming themselves and show up to these events and meet these gamers and in fact drink with them after the events. So yeah we don't need to worry about that unless we are trying to get sponsorship from Kellogg, Nike or Toy's R US. So if you were one of these companies trying to get people to buy your product, would you rather sponsor the person who shows up to each event on time, has a good standing with the audience, is friendly and practices as they should, or some drunk kid who just so happens to be good at the game? I mean, surely you actually want to sell your product. | ||
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SlayinBZs
8 Posts
that may change as esports becomes more and more accepted, but until people start looking at esports players as role models for their children the way they do with baseball, basketball, football, etc. i don't think it will be a problem. people on both sides of the spectrum are marginalizing each other by reducing arguments to "crazy douchebag party boy" or "antisocial basement dwelling nerd". most of us fall somewhere in between on this spectrum of behavior, and it would do us all good to just accept that we must find some middle ground. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:29 SilverPotato wrote: So if you were one of these companies trying to get people to buy your product, would you rather sponsor the person who shows up to each event on time, has a good standing with the audience, is friendly and practices as they should, or some drunk kid who just so happens to be good at the game? I mean, surely you actually want to sell your product. The one who wins more and/or draws a bigger crowd. Idra's got a pretty respectable fanbase mostly due to BM/winrate. | ||
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SilverPotato
United States560 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:29 GenoZStriker wrote: Only Slasher was being a rabid dog, but that's just Slasher. His views and opinions do not represent those of the entire eSports community. Maybe not to us, because we know he's not like the average pro. But tell me, when you hear about a celebrity do you hear about the ones who are behaving and acting normal or the ones who are acting way out of line? | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:04 Protoss_Carrier wrote: Some of the posters in this thread remind me of people who I dreadful of becoming. Note that no one from Team Liquid (with the exception of maybe Huk), Day 9, JP or Painuser never referred to their audience as "bitches", talked mad shit about any individual, spazzed out and called a virtual stranger a "peice of shit," etc. There's a correlation between maturity and success. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:29 SilverPotato wrote: So if you were one of these companies trying to get people to buy your product, would you rather sponsor the person who shows up to each event on time, has a good standing with the audience, is friendly and practices as they should, or some drunk kid who just so happens to be good at the game? I mean, surely you actually want to sell your product. I would sell my product regardless | ||
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United States1776 Posts
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United States425 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:12 LegendaryZ wrote: It actually depends a lot on the fraternity as well as specific chapter. There are certainly fraternities that are about serious networking, business relationships, etc. Then there are fraternities that are basically for idiots that can't seem to get out of the college partying mentality. Generally when people blast frat boys, they're talking about the latter. Also success due to having the right connections is not the issue at hand. We're talking about behavior in public. Frats, despite their parties, generally don't stream that behavior live across the internet for everyone to see because they're smart enough to know that they need to at least maintain their image even if we may all know that that is not what they're like at all behind closed doors. It's typically the people who are having the massive college fraternity party system that still do make it up the ranks, even if it doesn't seem so. That guy that gets plastered 4 days a week is often also the guy that can handle his shit and get a 3.5+ GPA and beat out the nerdy kid who studies nonstop. I can say this from witnessing it from a majority of the people and actually knowing everyone's GPAs (I'm Scholarship Chairman in my frat), and going to god knows how many of those honorary shit that gives out recognition for people doing things in the community. I don't know about you guys, but I can rage 4 days of the week, and simultaneously pull out a 4.0 GPA most quarters, attend multiple philanthropies each week, attend accounting association meetings, attend honor society meetings, throw study hours, etc. And that is the typical life of a frat guy. Partying a lot, but at the same time just doing everything, as opposed to the typical college student who finds an unnecessarily exorbitant amount of time on his hands. PS. I'm at the pub right now and just finished a pitcher so excuse me for my nonsensical determination to prove random people wrong about frats. | ||
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:26 Offhand wrote: Seeing as you want to write me off as some bro then actually validate your argument, I'm going to assume most of the anger over this is some kind of Freudian hate of all those cool party kids you never got to hang out with. Tell me about your mother. Nobody sane wants to see video games become "professional". Popular? Sure. But professional video gaming is a cause I can really only see people getting behind that don't get out much You're just derailing the thread at this point with your strawcastles that have something to do with nerds being jealous of the "cool" party gods or whatever other nonsense and it pains me to participate in this, but how on earth did you work "professional" into a negative adjective? Since we're all about using ad hominem attacks here to substantiate straw man arguments that don't even address the main point of the thread, what exactly do you do for a living? What is your career? | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:29 SilverPotato wrote: So if you were one of these companies trying to get people to buy your product, would you rather sponsor the person who shows up to each event on time, has a good standing with the audience, is friendly and practices as they should, or some drunk kid who just so happens to be good at the game? I mean, surely you actually want to sell your product. I'll take both since my product will sell regardless if the player is good at the game. Also my kid who gets drunk after the tournament can also be good standing with the audience and friendly and practices as he should and is good at the game. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:26 Offhand wrote: Seeing as you want to write me off as some bro then actually validate your argument, I'm going to assume most of the anger over this is some kind of Freudian hate of all those cool party kids you never got to hang out with. Tell me about your mother. Nobody sane wants to see video games become "professional". Popular? Sure. But professional video gaming is a cause I can really only see people getting behind that don't get out much. Saying no one wants video games to become professional is to generalize and stereotype people. I for one would very much want Esports to become professional and several others in this thread has clearly pointed out the same. | ||
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retro-noob
110 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:28 Offhand wrote: Day9's not afraid to let the "bad words" fly on his daily. Maybe we should write an open letter for that too. That depends on his goals, doesn't it? If he wants more young kids toning it, it wouldn't be a bad idea. I'll watch it either way, but I won't recommend it to my youngest brother as it is now. Reasonable people offer opinions in a polite way in case it might be helpful or interesting. There's usually nothing wrong with that. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:16 Krigwin wrote: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's cut the ferocious straw-manning and name-calling here. Let's be clear here - no one is saying these guys should transform overnight into pasty malnourished nerds who live in the basement and only brave the dangers of sunlight for their careers whose entire lives revolve around Starcraft 2. That's not what we're saying at all. The point we're trying to make is about professionalism. You can be a drunken party guy who loves having fun and getting blowjobs - in fact if that's your life I envy you - but it's important to not give off that image. Even if you're that guy, it's important to give off the image that you're a strictly business guy who can approach every job and task you're given with cleanliness and meticulous efficiency - that's what professionalism is. I realize we might have a lot of high-school/college-age kids in here who've never had a real career before, so I gotta really stress this point. It doesn't matter what kind of person you are in private, you can be a serial killer who butchers prostitutes, it matters what kind of image you cultivate for yourself, and no matter the career it's important to mastercraft an image of utter professionalism. And I couldn't disagree more. People HERE aren't saying we're basement dwelling nerds... but the general public are and will. Gaming isn't accepted widely in the US by popular culture, even if it is a widely growing segment. Throwing off the common perception of professional gamers to the mainstream is one of, if not the most important aspects, of getting e-sports and gamers in general more accepted. A face and attitude of not being uptight will have a huge impact. I'm not saying this even is what should be done in order to facilitate that change in mindset, but it does raise the issue of how to do it properly. | ||
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