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An open letter to djWheat and the Liveon3 folks - Page 20

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Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 21:29:30
November 08 2010 21:27 GMT
#381
I respect the OP's position as his opinion but I disagree with it. I think the world is overly PC about everything because we as humans have bread too many emotional wrecks that can't handle anything and get upset easily over the stupidest shit that has nothing to do with them. Like the kids in San Francisco that can't get a toy with their happy meal because the toy encourages them to eat the same shit already on the menu. I guess toys in food make kids fat.

Anyway the way I see it was that you were indirectly invited via web stream to an after party you wouldn't otherwise have been able to attend if they didn't turn a camera on. You got some good content out of it and here is the sole person that must come and complain because they went out of their way to watch a stream knowing people were drinking and partying on it. Next time you see a party broadcast on the internet don't watch it because people relaxing and having a good time offends you.
There's no S in KT. :P
Blademage
Profile Joined November 2010
United States128 Posts
November 08 2010 21:27 GMT
#382
On November 09 2010 06:23 GenoZStriker wrote:
I can tell you this right now. djWHEAT, Slasher and SirScoots have jobs. Potentional sponsorship from teams? Most of the players there are sponsored and their team managers are right there drinking with them. Potential sponsor for tournaments from who? Intel, SteelSeries, Razer? Man the people who sponsor these major tournaments are people who love gaming themselves and show up to these events and meet these gamers and in fact drink with them after the events. So yeah we don't need to worry about that unless we are trying to get sponsorship from Kellogg, Nike or Toy's R US.

Omg nailed it right on the head. seriously you quoted me earlier, and ive been waiting for a post like this, cause more truth can never be said again.bravo.
Basics > Legendaries
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
November 08 2010 21:28 GMT
#383
On November 09 2010 06:26 retro-noob wrote:
I'm not worried. I'm interested; I'd like to see people like Tyler and Day[9] and DJ Wheat have long and lucrative careers riding a wave of insane growth of esports. If you don't care about that, why are you in this thread?


Day9's not afraid to let the "bad words" fly on his daily. Maybe we should write an open letter for that too.
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
November 08 2010 21:29 GMT
#384
On November 09 2010 06:26 SilverPotato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 06:22 dacthehork wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:19 fellcrow wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:18 Offhand wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:17 fellcrow wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:15 Offhand wrote:
Serious question: How many people enraged by this have been to a party in like the last year or so?


It isn't necessarily about us being offended, it's about eSports becoming a legitimate sport in America and what the public would expect from a televised sporting event.


Answer the question.


Lol yes I have been to a party. But what does people going to parties have to do with the public image of a sport we all want to thrive?


The public image of a professional sport, you have murderers, rapists, and people with 20 children to different moms. You have extremely cocky multimillionaires complaining about not making even more.

To say that "ESPORTS" needs to become this spotfree image is ridiculous. IdrA for instance has actually increased the popularity of people watching SC2 a lot simply by being BM. Characters and personalities are very good for viewership and growth. Check out state of the game before incontrol came on and it was boring as heck. If anything anti social and a nerdy image hurts it far more than people at a party messing around.


Tell me, why can't esports be a spot-free friendly competitive environment? Is there something wrong with doing good? Oh but I forgot, being a bunch of rabid dogs is the best way to promote our image to the world. Yeah that'll really go over well.

Only Slasher was being a rabid dog, but that's just Slasher. His views and opinions do not represent those of the entire eSports community.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
iammaru
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada38 Posts
November 08 2010 21:29 GMT
#385
"On another note, professionalism in e-sports isn't there yet. It's not, so we shouldn't be pretending it is. We shouldn't pretend these guys have to put on suits, hold press conferences, and abide by a code of ethics in their everyday life that is any different than a normal person. In the future, if the growth ever comes, the uptight brigade might have to take over and ruin the human element to e-sports. It might be inevitable, but let's not pretend we have to prepare for something that, at the moment, is still a ways off." -Ilovebacon

Esports isn't professional so the people involved shouldn't act professional so esports isn't professional so the people don't act professional so espor ... ... see?


"As a moderator of chat channels in several streams (i even had powers on cat-in-a-box durring the event), i have to point out these key aspects, its a PRIVATE channel, sort of how this forum is a PRIVATE forum, meaning you must adhere to the rules provided, and accept its atmosphere. The show was regulated by the casters to a target audience they have always catered to, if you cannot accept this, then move on." -Blademage

Why so defensive? Whether it's truly a "private" channel is dubious, so I'll let that slide - but, basically, for all intents and purposes, it's not really. Ok, yeah the cast was supposedly regulated by the casters, but I think that the issue people are having is that the cast wasn't regulated well/at all. Finally, about your advice to "move on", people with the smallest bit of foresight are concerned about esports never "moving on" if major douchbag/unprofessional behaviour gets featured on stream.

"Teamliquid: Experts in demotivation"
SilverPotato
Profile Joined July 2010
United States560 Posts
November 08 2010 21:29 GMT
#386
On November 09 2010 06:23 GenoZStriker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 06:20 SilverPotato wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:17 Protoss_Carrier wrote:



Sir,

If your private life became public and it was not professional, you could be brought up before the college to explain yourself and to accept responsibility for your private life and "allowing your private life to be come public".

As a possible college representative with many more years of experience than you, I would not grant you any leeway despite our shared-love of E-sports. You would be disciplined harshly without remorse by far-more severe-minded professionals than myself.

Get your head on straight before you enter the real-world.

Respectfully yours.




Sir

If I invite my friends into my own home then open up a web cam and stream via invitation, what occurs in the stream is very much our private life. We had social functions involving a lot of alcohol use and prominent faculty members joking around, but of course, nobody was "disciplined" because they were all private citizens having a good time.

I would like you to see the crux of my argument, which is the fact that the organizer of this cast were private citizens instead of an official face of the esport they are representing.

Last of all, I would appreciate if you can tone down your phantom threat of "disclipine". I have graduated college years ago and your example and experience of being a college rep have nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Respectfully yours


And tell me sir, if that video got out, and you were applying for a job how many people would want to hire the man who records him and his friends getting drunk deliberately? You can't exactly go to an employer and say "Oh you have to hire me, thats my private life and it has nothing to do with what you think of me."

Same thing carries over for potential sponsorships for teams and tournaments in a game like SC2.

I can tell you this right now. djWHEAT, Slasher and SirScoots have jobs. Potentional sponsorship from teams? Most of the players there are sponsored and their team managers are right there drinking with them. As long as they are not doing drugs or get way drunk till the point where they start kissing random people and have public sex, they are safe.

Potential sponsor for tournaments from who? Intel, SteelSeries, Razer? Man the people who sponsor these major tournaments are people who love gaming themselves and show up to these events and meet these gamers and in fact drink with them after the events. So yeah we don't need to worry about that unless we are trying to get sponsorship from Kellogg, Nike or Toy's R US.


So if you were one of these companies trying to get people to buy your product, would you rather sponsor the person who shows up to each event on time, has a good standing with the audience, is friendly and practices as they should, or some drunk kid who just so happens to be good at the game? I mean, surely you actually want to sell your product.
"The ability to learn faster than your competitors may be the only sustainable competitive advantage." ~Arie de Geus
SlayinBZs
Profile Joined October 2010
8 Posts
November 08 2010 21:31 GMT
#387
imho, for esports to make it, it needs to shed the label of being nerdy or geeky. i know many people want it to remain this cool subculture that only you are a part of so you can feel like you belong to some elite subpopulation but the fact that wheat & co. are showing that most of us are normal, fun loving people is a good thing imo.

that may change as esports becomes more and more accepted, but until people start looking at esports players as role models for their children the way they do with baseball, basketball, football, etc. i don't think it will be a problem.

people on both sides of the spectrum are marginalizing each other by reducing arguments to "crazy douchebag party boy" or "antisocial basement dwelling nerd". most of us fall somewhere in between on this spectrum of behavior, and it would do us all good to just accept that we must find some middle ground.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
November 08 2010 21:31 GMT
#388
On November 09 2010 06:29 SilverPotato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 06:23 GenoZStriker wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:20 SilverPotato wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:17 Protoss_Carrier wrote:



Sir,

If your private life became public and it was not professional, you could be brought up before the college to explain yourself and to accept responsibility for your private life and "allowing your private life to be come public".

As a possible college representative with many more years of experience than you, I would not grant you any leeway despite our shared-love of E-sports. You would be disciplined harshly without remorse by far-more severe-minded professionals than myself.

Get your head on straight before you enter the real-world.

Respectfully yours.




Sir

If I invite my friends into my own home then open up a web cam and stream via invitation, what occurs in the stream is very much our private life. We had social functions involving a lot of alcohol use and prominent faculty members joking around, but of course, nobody was "disciplined" because they were all private citizens having a good time.

I would like you to see the crux of my argument, which is the fact that the organizer of this cast were private citizens instead of an official face of the esport they are representing.

Last of all, I would appreciate if you can tone down your phantom threat of "disclipine". I have graduated college years ago and your example and experience of being a college rep have nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Respectfully yours


And tell me sir, if that video got out, and you were applying for a job how many people would want to hire the man who records him and his friends getting drunk deliberately? You can't exactly go to an employer and say "Oh you have to hire me, thats my private life and it has nothing to do with what you think of me."

Same thing carries over for potential sponsorships for teams and tournaments in a game like SC2.

I can tell you this right now. djWHEAT, Slasher and SirScoots have jobs. Potentional sponsorship from teams? Most of the players there are sponsored and their team managers are right there drinking with them. As long as they are not doing drugs or get way drunk till the point where they start kissing random people and have public sex, they are safe.

Potential sponsor for tournaments from who? Intel, SteelSeries, Razer? Man the people who sponsor these major tournaments are people who love gaming themselves and show up to these events and meet these gamers and in fact drink with them after the events. So yeah we don't need to worry about that unless we are trying to get sponsorship from Kellogg, Nike or Toy's R US.


So if you were one of these companies trying to get people to buy your product, would you rather sponsor the person who shows up to each event on time, has a good standing with the audience, is friendly and practices as they should, or some drunk kid who just so happens to be good at the game? I mean, surely you actually want to sell your product.


The one who wins more and/or draws a bigger crowd.

Idra's got a pretty respectable fanbase mostly due to BM/winrate.
SilverPotato
Profile Joined July 2010
United States560 Posts
November 08 2010 21:31 GMT
#389
On November 09 2010 06:29 GenoZStriker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 06:26 SilverPotato wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:22 dacthehork wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:19 fellcrow wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:18 Offhand wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:17 fellcrow wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:15 Offhand wrote:
Serious question: How many people enraged by this have been to a party in like the last year or so?


It isn't necessarily about us being offended, it's about eSports becoming a legitimate sport in America and what the public would expect from a televised sporting event.


Answer the question.


Lol yes I have been to a party. But what does people going to parties have to do with the public image of a sport we all want to thrive?


The public image of a professional sport, you have murderers, rapists, and people with 20 children to different moms. You have extremely cocky multimillionaires complaining about not making even more.

To say that "ESPORTS" needs to become this spotfree image is ridiculous. IdrA for instance has actually increased the popularity of people watching SC2 a lot simply by being BM. Characters and personalities are very good for viewership and growth. Check out state of the game before incontrol came on and it was boring as heck. If anything anti social and a nerdy image hurts it far more than people at a party messing around.


Tell me, why can't esports be a spot-free friendly competitive environment? Is there something wrong with doing good? Oh but I forgot, being a bunch of rabid dogs is the best way to promote our image to the world. Yeah that'll really go over well.

Only Slasher was being a rabid dog, but that's just Slasher. His views and opinions do not represent those of the entire eSports community.


Maybe not to us, because we know he's not like the average pro. But tell me, when you hear about a celebrity do you hear about the ones who are behaving and acting normal or the ones who are acting way out of line?
"The ability to learn faster than your competitors may be the only sustainable competitive advantage." ~Arie de Geus
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
November 08 2010 21:31 GMT
#390
On November 09 2010 06:04 Protoss_Carrier wrote:

Some of the posters in this thread remind me of people who I dreadful of becoming.



Note that no one from Team Liquid (with the exception of maybe Huk), Day 9, JP or Painuser never referred to their audience as "bitches", talked mad shit about any individual, spazzed out and called a virtual stranger a "peice of shit," etc.

There's a correlation between maturity and success.


Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
November 08 2010 21:32 GMT
#391
On November 09 2010 06:29 SilverPotato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 06:23 GenoZStriker wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:20 SilverPotato wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:17 Protoss_Carrier wrote:



Sir,

If your private life became public and it was not professional, you could be brought up before the college to explain yourself and to accept responsibility for your private life and "allowing your private life to be come public".

As a possible college representative with many more years of experience than you, I would not grant you any leeway despite our shared-love of E-sports. You would be disciplined harshly without remorse by far-more severe-minded professionals than myself.

Get your head on straight before you enter the real-world.

Respectfully yours.




Sir

If I invite my friends into my own home then open up a web cam and stream via invitation, what occurs in the stream is very much our private life. We had social functions involving a lot of alcohol use and prominent faculty members joking around, but of course, nobody was "disciplined" because they were all private citizens having a good time.

I would like you to see the crux of my argument, which is the fact that the organizer of this cast were private citizens instead of an official face of the esport they are representing.

Last of all, I would appreciate if you can tone down your phantom threat of "disclipine". I have graduated college years ago and your example and experience of being a college rep have nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Respectfully yours


And tell me sir, if that video got out, and you were applying for a job how many people would want to hire the man who records him and his friends getting drunk deliberately? You can't exactly go to an employer and say "Oh you have to hire me, thats my private life and it has nothing to do with what you think of me."

Same thing carries over for potential sponsorships for teams and tournaments in a game like SC2.

I can tell you this right now. djWHEAT, Slasher and SirScoots have jobs. Potentional sponsorship from teams? Most of the players there are sponsored and their team managers are right there drinking with them. As long as they are not doing drugs or get way drunk till the point where they start kissing random people and have public sex, they are safe.

Potential sponsor for tournaments from who? Intel, SteelSeries, Razer? Man the people who sponsor these major tournaments are people who love gaming themselves and show up to these events and meet these gamers and in fact drink with them after the events. So yeah we don't need to worry about that unless we are trying to get sponsorship from Kellogg, Nike or Toy's R US.


So if you were one of these companies trying to get people to buy your product, would you rather sponsor the person who shows up to each event on time, has a good standing with the audience, is friendly and practices as they should, or some drunk kid who just so happens to be good at the game? I mean, surely you actually want to sell your product.


I would sell my product regardless
There's no S in KT. :P
Shaok
Profile Joined October 2010
297 Posts
November 08 2010 21:32 GMT
#392
A lot of the people arguing their anti-party points in this thread are clearly underaged and isolated from the real world.
iEchoic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1776 Posts
November 08 2010 21:32 GMT
#393
Is there any way to write an open letter without sounding douchey? It's like the same thing as a normal post except with additional pompousness.
vileEchoic -- clanvile.com
Rokk
Profile Joined March 2010
United States425 Posts
November 08 2010 21:32 GMT
#394
I look forward to what Incontrol has to say about this thread. This is so absurd it's pathetic.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
November 08 2010 21:32 GMT
#395
On November 09 2010 06:12 LegendaryZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 06:04 FabledIntegral wrote:
I should write a letter telling how "frat boys" are typically more successful, have higher GPAs, higher community service involvement, more money donated, etc. than the average school goer and maybe all this nonsense about it will stop. Yeah, they probably throw the sickest parties, but almost every single President we've ever had have been in a fraternity, almost all the politicians have been in the Greek system (or of some fraternal affiliation), and a majority of the current CEOs were in fraternities. Best networking source ever.

Fraternity member = something to be revered. If you want "dumbass mentality" go with high school dropout T_T.

PS. 3000th post. PS2. Poster below me you're dumb .


It actually depends a lot on the fraternity as well as specific chapter. There are certainly fraternities that are about serious networking, business relationships, etc. Then there are fraternities that are basically for idiots that can't seem to get out of the college partying mentality. Generally when people blast frat boys, they're talking about the latter. Also success due to having the right connections is not the issue at hand. We're talking about behavior in public. Frats, despite their parties, generally don't stream that behavior live across the internet for everyone to see because they're smart enough to know that they need to at least maintain their image even if we may all know that that is not what they're like at all behind closed doors.


It's typically the people who are having the massive college fraternity party system that still do make it up the ranks, even if it doesn't seem so. That guy that gets plastered 4 days a week is often also the guy that can handle his shit and get a 3.5+ GPA and beat out the nerdy kid who studies nonstop. I can say this from witnessing it from a majority of the people and actually knowing everyone's GPAs (I'm Scholarship Chairman in my frat), and going to god knows how many of those honorary shit that gives out recognition for people doing things in the community. I don't know about you guys, but I can rage 4 days of the week, and simultaneously pull out a 4.0 GPA most quarters, attend multiple philanthropies each week, attend accounting association meetings, attend honor society meetings, throw study hours, etc. And that is the typical life of a frat guy. Partying a lot, but at the same time just doing everything, as opposed to the typical college student who finds an unnecessarily exorbitant amount of time on his hands.

PS. I'm at the pub right now and just finished a pitcher so excuse me for my nonsensical determination to prove random people wrong about frats.
Krigwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1130 Posts
November 08 2010 21:33 GMT
#396
On November 09 2010 06:26 Offhand wrote:
Seeing as you want to write me off as some bro then actually validate your argument, I'm going to assume most of the anger over this is some kind of Freudian hate of all those cool party kids you never got to hang out with. Tell me about your mother.

Nobody sane wants to see video games become "professional". Popular? Sure. But professional video gaming is a cause I can really only see people getting behind that don't get out much

You're just derailing the thread at this point with your strawcastles that have something to do with nerds being jealous of the "cool" party gods or whatever other nonsense and it pains me to participate in this, but how on earth did you work "professional" into a negative adjective?

Since we're all about using ad hominem attacks here to substantiate straw man arguments that don't even address the main point of the thread, what exactly do you do for a living? What is your career?
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 21:34:40
November 08 2010 21:33 GMT
#397
On November 09 2010 06:29 SilverPotato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 06:23 GenoZStriker wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:20 SilverPotato wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:17 Protoss_Carrier wrote:



Sir,

If your private life became public and it was not professional, you could be brought up before the college to explain yourself and to accept responsibility for your private life and "allowing your private life to be come public".

As a possible college representative with many more years of experience than you, I would not grant you any leeway despite our shared-love of E-sports. You would be disciplined harshly without remorse by far-more severe-minded professionals than myself.

Get your head on straight before you enter the real-world.

Respectfully yours.




Sir

If I invite my friends into my own home then open up a web cam and stream via invitation, what occurs in the stream is very much our private life. We had social functions involving a lot of alcohol use and prominent faculty members joking around, but of course, nobody was "disciplined" because they were all private citizens having a good time.

I would like you to see the crux of my argument, which is the fact that the organizer of this cast were private citizens instead of an official face of the esport they are representing.

Last of all, I would appreciate if you can tone down your phantom threat of "disclipine". I have graduated college years ago and your example and experience of being a college rep have nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Respectfully yours


And tell me sir, if that video got out, and you were applying for a job how many people would want to hire the man who records him and his friends getting drunk deliberately? You can't exactly go to an employer and say "Oh you have to hire me, thats my private life and it has nothing to do with what you think of me."

Same thing carries over for potential sponsorships for teams and tournaments in a game like SC2.

I can tell you this right now. djWHEAT, Slasher and SirScoots have jobs. Potentional sponsorship from teams? Most of the players there are sponsored and their team managers are right there drinking with them. As long as they are not doing drugs or get way drunk till the point where they start kissing random people and have public sex, they are safe.

Potential sponsor for tournaments from who? Intel, SteelSeries, Razer? Man the people who sponsor these major tournaments are people who love gaming themselves and show up to these events and meet these gamers and in fact drink with them after the events. So yeah we don't need to worry about that unless we are trying to get sponsorship from Kellogg, Nike or Toy's R US.


So if you were one of these companies trying to get people to buy your product, would you rather sponsor the person who shows up to each event on time, has a good standing with the audience, is friendly and practices as they should, or some drunk kid who just so happens to be good at the game? I mean, surely you actually want to sell your product.

I'll take both since my product will sell regardless if the player is good at the game. Also my kid who gets drunk after the tournament can also be good standing with the audience and friendly and practices as he should and is good at the game.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
November 08 2010 21:34 GMT
#398
On November 09 2010 06:26 Offhand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 06:20 IPA wrote:
On November 09 2010 06:15 Offhand wrote:
Serious question: How many people enraged by this have been to a party in like the last year or so?


No one is enraged. People are concerned about the way community/esports representatives are carrying themselves because we care about said community and want to see it thrive as sport (with all of the sponsorship, coverage, etc that go along with that).

Also, your question makes you sound like a 19 year old bro; honestly, it's just awful. Cool, bro, you party and get laid, right? Awesome. It gets a lot better when you don't have to talk about it -- give it a couple years.


Seeing as you want to write me off as some bro then actually validate your argument, I'm going to assume most of the anger over this is some kind of Freudian hate of all those cool party kids you never got to hang out with. Tell me about your mother.

Nobody sane wants to see video games become "professional". Popular? Sure. But professional video gaming is a cause I can really only see people getting behind that don't get out much.


Saying no one wants video games to become professional is to generalize and stereotype people. I for one would very much want Esports to become professional and several others in this thread has clearly pointed out the same.
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retro-noob
Profile Joined June 2010
110 Posts
November 08 2010 21:34 GMT
#399
On November 09 2010 06:28 Offhand wrote:
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On November 09 2010 06:26 retro-noob wrote:
I'm not worried. I'm interested; I'd like to see people like Tyler and Day[9] and DJ Wheat have long and lucrative careers riding a wave of insane growth of esports. If you don't care about that, why are you in this thread?


Day9's not afraid to let the "bad words" fly on his daily. Maybe we should write an open letter for that too.


That depends on his goals, doesn't it? If he wants more young kids toning it, it wouldn't be a bad idea. I'll watch it either way, but I won't recommend it to my youngest brother as it is now.

Reasonable people offer opinions in a polite way in case it might be helpful or interesting. There's usually nothing wrong with that.
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November 08 2010 21:34 GMT
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On November 09 2010 06:16 Krigwin wrote:
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's cut the ferocious straw-manning and name-calling here.

Let's be clear here - no one is saying these guys should transform overnight into pasty malnourished nerds who live in the basement and only brave the dangers of sunlight for their careers whose entire lives revolve around Starcraft 2. That's not what we're saying at all. The point we're trying to make is about professionalism.

You can be a drunken party guy who loves having fun and getting blowjobs - in fact if that's your life I envy you - but it's important to not give off that image. Even if you're that guy, it's important to give off the image that you're a strictly business guy who can approach every job and task you're given with cleanliness and meticulous efficiency - that's what professionalism is. I realize we might have a lot of high-school/college-age kids in here who've never had a real career before, so I gotta really stress this point. It doesn't matter what kind of person you are in private, you can be a serial killer who butchers prostitutes, it matters what kind of image you cultivate for yourself, and no matter the career it's important to mastercraft an image of utter professionalism.


And I couldn't disagree more. People HERE aren't saying we're basement dwelling nerds... but the general public are and will. Gaming isn't accepted widely in the US by popular culture, even if it is a widely growing segment. Throwing off the common perception of professional gamers to the mainstream is one of, if not the most important aspects, of getting e-sports and gamers in general more accepted. A face and attitude of not being uptight will have a huge impact.

I'm not saying this even is what should be done in order to facilitate that change in mindset, but it does raise the issue of how to do it properly.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
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