EPTLol yes I have been to a party. But what does people going to parties have to do with the public image of a sport we all want to thrive?
An open letter to djWheat and the Liveon3 folks - Page 19
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fellcrow
United States288 Posts
Lol yes I have been to a party. But what does people going to parties have to do with the public image of a sport we all want to thrive? | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:15 fellcrow wrote: Lol...almost anybody else would rather have the 1 million dollar prize pool. Especially if you're competing like Idra, jinro, tlo, etc Not really, I'm sure a lot of people if given the choice of huge prize pools, or more "characters" and personality in the community, would take the latter. It's not like any of us are going to receive any of that prize money. Would you rather have a good community and low "ESPORTS" bucks or a boring restrained community with everyone giving the exact same responses in every interview about working hard and how skilled everyone is. | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:15 Offhand wrote: Serious question: How many people enraged by this have been to a party in like the last year or so? No one is enraged. People are concerned about the way community/esports representatives are carrying themselves because we care about said community and want to see it thrive as sport (with all of the sponsorship, coverage, etc that go along with that). Also, your question makes you sound like a 19 year old bro; honestly, it's just awful. Cool, bro, you party and get laid, right? Awesome. It gets a lot better when you don't have to talk about it -- give it a couple years. | ||
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SilverPotato
United States560 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:17 Protoss_Carrier wrote: Sir If I invite my friends into my own home then open up a web cam and stream via invitation, what occurs in the stream is very much our private life. We had social functions involving a lot of alcohol use and prominent faculty members joking around, but of course, nobody was "disciplined" because they were all private citizens having a good time. I would like you to see the crux of my argument, which is the fact that the organizer of this cast were private citizens instead of an official face of the esport they are representing. Last of all, I would appreciate if you can tone down your phantom threat of "disclipine". I have graduated college years ago and your example and experience of being a college rep have nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Respectfully yours And tell me sir, if that video got out, and you were applying for a job how many people would want to hire the man who records him and his friends getting drunk deliberately? You can't exactly go to an employer and say "Oh you have to hire me, thats my private life and it has nothing to do with what you think of me." Same thing carries over for potential sponsorships for teams and tournaments in a game like SC2. | ||
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ey215
United States546 Posts
I'm a proponent of "professionalism" when it comes to producing events like MLG, etc. I want the scene to grow and bringing in major sponsorship money should be what we all want. When in any type of public arena Day, Wheat, and JP represent MLG whether or not they are specifically on a MLG stream at that time. For all intents and purposes, they are the face of SC2 at MLG. With that being said, I think Wheat does a nice job straddling the line. Streams like this and the shows he produces on his dime tend to be a little off color, but rarely to the point of being totally inappropriate. One way this particular stream can help the scene is by showing, "Hey these events are a lot of fun, you should come out and see them live!". While he's on an event stream he censors himself well. At this point in the development of the game I err on the side of content > no content. There also is going to come a point that the players need to realize when the camera/mic is on it's time to represent your sponsors in the best way possible. You can have a strong opinion/be funny without being crass. Also, in order to bring in new money the community needs to show that advertising at these events is valuable for companies. Not only does this mean professionally produced content but a fan base that's willing to buy products that are advertised at these events. That means buying Dr. Pepper, etc. and making sure the company knows that you're spending that money because they support competitive gaming. It's a large reason that NASCAR brings in the big advertising dollars. Basically, i think as long as you can feel proud of the content you are producing (not just now but 10 years from now) then you're fine. If that little angel on your shoulder is whispering in your ear that you may regret this in the future, it may be time to tone it down. | ||
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echobong
Canada92 Posts
On November 09 2010 05:53 IPA wrote: Because it was articulate, provocative and tastefully worded? Yeah tl forums need a lot less of that. Yeah, exactly that. What I'd really like to see instead is more smarmy smart alec one-line replies. And between your post and mine I think we got that covered  | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:15 Offhand wrote: Serious question: How many people enraged by this have been to a party in like the last year or so? I honestly don't think anyone is "enraged" by this... "Concerned" would probably be a better word to describe it. Obviously people have different ideas of what they think eSports should be. There are those that would prefer it to be more professional akin to the MLB or something and there are others that feel that it should be kept with more of a "grassroots" type of feel to preserve its soul or identity. I think you can make good arguments for both, but my question really is regardless of what they want eSports to be, why is it somehow better to see people behave like this? And why do they NEED to behave like this? Watching people get drunk on a video stream is somehow considered, "Getting to know them?" It's nothing of the sort... Really it's just unnecessary and there's a lot more potential for negative effects than positive so I don't understand why someone would do this to begin with. | ||
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potatomash3r
Australia417 Posts
On November 09 2010 00:09 Anselm wrote: All I'm talking about is the last minute or two of the cast. Everything up to that point, I thought was awesome. I suspect the cameras were turned off just in time though. Specifically he's complaining that slasher acted like a douche at the end of the stream. Drinking, public image, whatever,etc, is irrelevant. The bottom line is slasher was 'out of line'. Personally I think he's just annoying. | ||
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SilverPotato
United States560 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:19 dacthehork wrote: Not really, I'm sure a lot of people if given the choice of huge prize pools, or more "characters" and personality in the community, would take the latter. It's not like any of us are going to receive any of that prize money. Would you rather have a good community and low "ESPORTS" bucks or a boring restrained community with everyone giving the exact same responses in every interview about working hard and how skilled everyone is. With a high prize pool comes more 'characters'. | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:19 fellcrow wrote: Lol yes I have been to a party. But what does people going to parties have to do with the public image of a sport we all want to thrive? The public image of a professional sport, you have murderers, rapists, and people with 20 children to different moms. You have extremely cocky multimillionaires complaining about not making even more. To say that "ESPORTS" needs to become this spotfree image is ridiculous. IdrA for instance has actually increased the popularity of people watching SC2 a lot simply by being BM. Characters and personalities are very good for viewership and growth. Check out state of the game before incontrol came on and it was boring as heck. If anything anti social and a nerdy image hurts it far more than people at a party messing around. | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
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Rokk
United States425 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:17 fellcrow wrote: It isn't necessarily about us being offended, it's about eSports becoming a legitimate sport in America and what the public would expect from a televised sporting event. And again many of us are arguing that this stream has almost nothing to do with the success or failure of esports, and that this stream is in no way comparable to a televised sporting event. If they said some of these things on MLG's stream it would be different, but this was a private event that we were able to take part in thanks to DjWheat's hard work. Stop equating the two. | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:20 SilverPotato wrote: And tell me sir, if that video got out, and you were applying for a job how many people would want to hire the man who records him and his friends getting drunk deliberately? You can't exactly go to an employer and say "Oh you have to hire me, thats my private life and it has nothing to do with what you think of me." Same thing carries over for potential sponsorships for teams and tournaments in a game like SC2. I can tell you this right now. djWHEAT, Slasher and SirScoots have jobs. Potentional sponsorship from teams? Most of the players there are sponsored and their team managers are right there drinking with them. As long as they are not doing drugs or get way drunk till the point where they start kissing random people and have public sex, they are safe. Potential sponsor for tournaments from who? Intel, SteelSeries, Razer? Man the people who sponsor these major tournaments are people who love gaming themselves and show up to these events and meet these gamers and in fact drink with them after the events. So yeah we don't need to worry about that unless we are trying to get sponsorship from Kellogg, Nike or Toy's R US. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
this thread turned into a shitstorm fast lol off-topic, is annalist actually how it's spelled? I had no idea it just looks so weird rofl but spellchecker isn't giving it a red line or anything just looks so weird o.o | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
It's pretty sad that Marcus might find this thread and find someone like you critizing his cast for such a silly reason, while they're taking three hours out of their personal life to show us how things function behind the eSports scenes. We get to see how these people really are in an informal environment and you complain that they're not following TV etiquette. How people act when they're doing an official cast is not an indication of how they behave in real life, take of your pink glasses. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:20 IPA wrote: No one is enraged. People are concerned about the way community/esports representatives are carrying themselves because we care about said community and want to see it thrive as sport (with all of the sponsorship, coverage, etc that go along with that). Also, your question makes you sound like a 19 year old bro; honestly, it's just awful. Cool, bro, you party and get laid, right? Awesome. It gets a lot better when you don't have to talk about it -- give it a couple years. Seeing as you want to write me off as some bro then actually validate your argument, I'm going to assume most of the anger over this is some kind of Freudian hate of all those cool party kids you never got to hang out with. Tell me about your mother. Nobody sane wants to see video games become "professional". Popular? Sure. But professional video gaming is a cause I can really only see people getting behind that don't get out much. | ||
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SilverPotato
United States560 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:22 dacthehork wrote: The public image of a professional sport, you have murderers, rapists, and people with 20 children to different moms. You have extremely cocky multimillionaires complaining about not making even more. To say that "ESPORTS" needs to become this spotfree image is ridiculous. IdrA for instance has actually increased the popularity of people watching SC2 a lot simply by being BM. Characters and personalities are very good for viewership and growth. Check out state of the game before incontrol came on and it was boring as heck. If anything anti social and a nerdy image hurts it far more than people at a party messing around. Tell me, why can't esports be a spot-free friendly competitive environment? Is there something wrong with doing good? Oh but I forgot, being a bunch of rabid dogs is the best way to promote our image to the world. Yeah that'll really go over well. | ||
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Shaok
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retro-noob
110 Posts
The only difference is you happened to watch one last night live instead of hearing about it on the news. You're right. That is the difference. The uptight brigade might have to take over and ruin the human element to e-sports. Indirectly, that's exactly what every pro-gamer and fan of pro-gaming wants because the "uptight brigade" are the ones who control the big money. Also, don't be so dramatic. Minimal standards of conduct are not going to ruin the human element to esports. You didn't want the camera on. Totally false. I watched every minute. Glad I did, and I have no complaints. Also, the fact that this is even getting any attention shows how misplaced people's priorities are if they're worried about e-sport's growth. I'm not worried. I'm interested; I'd like to see people like Tyler and Day[9] and DJ Wheat have long and lucrative careers riding a wave of insane growth of esports. If you don't care about that, why are you in this thread? | ||
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