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On November 09 2010 03:08 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 03:04 Ygz wrote:
This thread is hilarious. I can't believe people exist who get so riled up over something that is completely asinine. I also noted somewhere in the thread someone mentioned the word "lawsuit" in relation to what got said on the cast, haha!
It was a party. Let me say that again in case that never sunk in, IT WAS A PARTY! Parties generally contain a lot of nonsense, frolics and other monkey antics. Crazy I know! If we are to support the growth of e-sports we have to stop acting like drunk idiots. There's a reason alcohol has an age-limit and we shouldn't expose underage viewers to the negative side effects of the potentially lethal drug. The professionalism was lacking and people new to the Starcraft 2/E-sports scene will now associate Starcraft 2 with alcohol. What parents would want their children to see alcohol in association with their video games? Same with swearing, I heard Incontrol drop the f-bomb several times. When was the last time we heard the f-bomb when watching professional sports? I highly doubt any professional football player ever uttered any profanity on air.
...are you kidding me man? Anyone NEW to the starcraft 2/e-sports scene definitely wouldn't have been up at 1am watching a ustream channel called CAT IN A BOX. They probably would have been watching the halo stream on the mlg site and clicked sc2 once or twice to check it out. Do you honestly think they were like "oh lets go on that site teamliquid or whatever" and then click a link to a show called LiveOn3 that they've never even heard of...?
The people watching were the hardcore fans of the scene and thats why they did it. For us. And football players have definitely dropped the f-bomb on air. Just type "f-bomb on football" into youtube and click the first result.
You act like they took the camera and streamed the beer pong competition. They didn't. Scootz even said "we're not gonna show the party, you guys are fucking adults you can find out why." There was even a player that requested to not be on camera(obviously for reasons like you stated) and they respected his wishes.
So why don't you stop spreading this BS and just relax man. We are privileged to have people as awesome as Day[9] and djwheat that do these sort of things for us. Don't ruin it.
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On November 09 2010 03:20 FabledIntegral wrote:
God what's with all the negativity towards frats in here. Is there anyone else here affiliated? It's not all like animal house you know. Fraternities/Sororities are generally the biggest contributers towards charities on campus. Last year the Greek system on my campus raised at least ~$150,000 for various charities... blah.
Yeah, I'm a vice president of Alpha Sigma Phi at my campus (AT Chapter) and quite frankly i have just given up fighting off that war. It's useless, I can convince someone that not all fraternities are like that then 5 seconds later the word "frat" is being thrown around in reference to crazy drunken glory.
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On November 09 2010 03:22 MagnusHyperion wrote:
If you want foreign E-Sports to succeed, then you should probably copy the most successful E-Sports model out there. A good place to start is the 12 year old, mainstream, nationally supported BW scene in Korea.
By your logic we should get the Starcraft 'boot camps' here in the west as well. I'm sure e-sports owuld become mainstream once the media hears about 12 year old kids being on a strict schedule forcing them to play Starcraft all day. Yeah, they would've gone voluntarily but do you honestly think parents/media here would care? There might just be an outrage.
You can't compare the West to Korea, because guess what, we aren't Korea.
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On November 09 2010 03:16 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 03:14 IPA wrote:
Support the OP.
MLG casters are the face of legitimate esports in America (other than the players). They represent something larger than themselves (their employer, etc). Accept the responsibility and quit acting like frat brahs *on a live stream*.
If Marv Albert or John Madden dropped a BJ joke or acted like an idiot on camera at a post-NFL game party, they would be terminated. I want esports to be as large as the NFL. I want these dudes to accept that mantle of responsibility and step up. I love the demands. Do you think John Madden avoids dropping BJ jokes on a livestream because of his professional reputation, contractual obligations, or for the good of football? Okay, now let's see which of those are analogous to DJWheat's situation... hmm...
Hahaha. Seriously...how can you even compare the two? It's completely ridiculous. I wish someone would lock the thread. >_<
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I was offended that they hosted the Lo3 on a Ustream channel called Cat in a Box. The name is unprofessional and implies that I enjoy watching cats. If someone were to check my history, what am I supposed to say! Do you really want to associate e-sports with cat watching?
- Fan and Supporter
KevinIX
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They had a party, BUT AT WHAT COST?
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ITT: OP is a phaggot
User was banned for this post.
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On November 09 2010 03:26 KevinIX wrote:
I was offended that they hosted the Lo3 on a Ustream channel called Cat in a Box. The name is unprofessional and implies that I enjoy watching cats. If someone were to check my history, what am I supposed to say! Do you really want to associate e-sports with cat watching?
- Fan and Supporter
KevinIX
lmao, what really gets me is when I think about all the people that actually watch that channel that prolly logged on....they were prolly like wtf?
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It seems like somebody always has to be offended. Gotta love how that works.
To Wheat/Day9: I say ignore these complaints and just consider it trolling. You guys did awesome.
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On November 09 2010 03:22 MagnusHyperion wrote:
I think that anyone who disagrees with the OP is actually not understanding the point. The point is not that they shouldn't drink, relax, and kick back but that they shouldn't BROADCAST it. No one is saying they shouldn't have a good time but the real question becomes one of image for the scene.
I understand the OP's point clearly and I disagree with it. You are arguing that the broadcast of this party will have a negative effect on the "success of ESports (which by the way, is such a crutch for a bad argument; People demand others do things "for the good of ESports" without even consdering what that means or how we achieve it or what the benefits will be)".
I am saying that the benefits I will receive, several years later, through the "success as ESports", are far, far, FAR less than the happiness I received yesterday by watching these guys on stream.
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Sorry guys. We can't have fun anymore. We can't have some drinks. This is SRS BZNS. Lets start dressing in suits and only saying things pre-approved by our managers. Chill the F out lol
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On November 09 2010 03:22 MagnusHyperion wrote:
You know what I see a lot of in this thread. I see a lot of people new to e-sports (joined w/ SC2 and probably don't know anything about the 12 year old e-sport scene) thinking that it is okay to broadcast lewd and belligerent behavior. On the other hand people like the OP approach e-Sports with a certain reverence and respect.
I think that anyone who disagrees with the OP is actually not understanding the point. The point is not that they shouldn't drink, relax, and kick back but that they shouldn't BROADCAST it. No one is saying they shouldn't have a good time but the real question becomes one of image for the scene.
Now I know a lot of people are new to e-sports so I'll put this candidly, please reference the success of Korean E-Sports before you make assertions about Foreign E-Sports. Korean E-Sports presents a very respectable, professional image which is one reason it is able to become so incredibly mainstream (multiple TV channels that cast BW). The players and coaches keep their personal celebrations largely private and though definitely show joy at winning, do not use vulgar language or make sexist remarks.
If you want foreign E-Sports to succeed, then you should probably copy the most successful E-Sports model out there. A good place to start is the 12 year old, mainstream, nationally supported BW scene in Korea.
Again, the main point that the OP and people like myself are trying to make is that you need to make sure the Foreign scene maintains a certain level of professionalism so that critics of it aren't even given the opportunity to pull up obscure, unpublicized clips that could possibly detract from the image. No one has a problem with celebration, happiness, and relaxation, but there is a problem with vulgarity and rudeness.
Your conclusions run under the failed assumpltions that US is a similar culture to Korea. Which it is not. Just because it works for Korea doesn't mean it will work everywhere.
As for this stream being the face of e-sports? Are you honestly serious? It was a personal stream for fun, if such things offend your sensitive heart, just turn it off. They were doing people who enjoy it when ppl have fun a favor, giving people a bit of a backstage pass to MLG.
You are blowing things way out of proportion to link djWheats party to the "face of esports". I could see where you would be coming from if this was during casting or during the actual tournament. But since it wasn't I just think you are crazy.
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Don't listen to this nonesense guys, you do this off your own time and money and all for the fans and esports in general.
NOBODY has the right to demand jack shit from anybody in the Lo3 crew, again they were doing this off their own time and money FOR US.
Way to be come off as an ungrateful douche OP...
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For my 2 cents.
Let me go into this saying I'm the type of person who tells jokes involving sex with dead babies as such pretty much nothing offends me. I also enjoyed the show last night. I do however agree with the OP that stuff like last night is walking the line(I mean they even had underage drinking. Probably why they kept the camera locked on the couch lol). While alot of people like myself really don't give a fuck there's alot who do. I think if your going to do shows like that to keep them separate, then again lo3 could always be like that(never watched it, only saw it cause it was in the sotg thread). Regardless though I don't know if its best to film after parties for many reasons as interesting as that show was last night.
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Just wanted to lend some support to the cast last night. I sat and watched all of it while playing Minecraft, and it was an excellent way to wind down from the tournament and gain more perspective into just what it is we are watching and why these people are devoting their lives to the game. It was candid and I enjoyed seeing everyone opening up and just talking. I'm a huge fan of State of the Game for that same reason.
I like to hear the people I watch talk. I want to know how they are feeling about LAN and Tyler's tribulations. I was glad to hear Select and Machine actually practice together, a fact the Live Report thread would have you believe to be bullshit. I want to know more about the people involved. I don't want to hear them pandering to Blizzard and censoring themselves. I don't want to rely on second hand information. If the people involved want to talk, I am going to listen. This wasn't an MLG stream. The only way to find Cat-In-A-Box was to be looking for the announcement from the party goers themselves, it was not officially sanctioned. Their attitude and conduct was 100% correct and I am very thankful for the access they felt the need to give me. Super fucking thankful. Seriously. Thanks guys, keep being awesome.
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Couldn't agree more with Chill and the others. I understand and respect the OPs right to give an opinion but the facts break down like this:
-The show was for the hardcore fans of the SC2 scene.
-No potential new fans for e-sports would have been up at 1am watching Cat-In-A-Box on uStream.
-It was an afterparty with alcohol and free speaking without any rules.
As a person who loves SC and the community in general but is likely never to be as close with the top players and their scene I really appreciated the chance to see what it was like after MLG and share in the experience of this party even if it was over the internet from far away.
The thought that attitudes like the OPs might make Wheat and the rest less inclined to invite the hardcore fans who appreciate this type of exposure really disappoints me.
We have a community that shares the experiences with almost all who are interested and it never fails that someone will be offended and they eventually stop doing it because of all the hassle from the people it offends.
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Also, why do the casters and the players, that actually make this e-sport a reality, have to be the martyrs here? Shut-in nerds will cast them down for their 'sins' under the pretense of blasphemy against the glory of E-SPORTS. If you were the player, you'd go to a party too. The only reason they can spend their life playing videogames is because WE, AS FANS, watch this. If we weren't here the sponsors wouldn't pay them. Is it not acceptable that they give back to the community?
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Imo, just put a viewer discretion is advised disclaimer at the beginning of the broadcast like on any regular TV show that drops the f bomb.
But regarding the event, I think it probably would actually increase eSport popularity if you showed this to your friends because it lets them see that people who play Starcraft can be cool and not nerds. (not my opinion, just my belief in what the public perception of progamers is)
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Well, im sure they are all hung over right now and the last they want to do when they wakeup is see something negative. I think it was great. We got to see an afterparty of a big tourney.. i enjoyed it much more then the other LO3s so this was great ;0
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On November 09 2010 03:27 Brutus wrote:
They had a party, BUT AT WHAT COST?
ESPORTS MAN. RUINED FOREVER.
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