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Falcon_NL
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands236 Posts
November 08 2010 19:02 GMT
#241
I didn't like the SC2 church thingy :/
and its a BLACK HOLE !! OH MY GOD BLACK HOOOOLEEE - Tobi Wan
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
November 08 2010 19:02 GMT
#242
Nice to see a well-written, clear post making an unpopular argument. Teamliquid needs more of this, whether I agree with the thesis or not.
heyitsrick
Profile Joined November 2010
1 Post
November 08 2010 19:02 GMT
#243
Everyone fell for the OP's genius troll.

User was banned for this post.
okuraku
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States210 Posts
November 08 2010 19:03 GMT
#244
On November 09 2010 03:59 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
Wait you were offended by Slasher saying blowjob but nothing iNcontroL may have said at any point offended you?

Interesting....



I was thinking the same thing, lol. The analogy of SeleCT vs IdrA was so colorful
http://twitch.tv/okuraku | Member of Team Legacy: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=148872
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
November 08 2010 19:03 GMT
#245
On November 09 2010 04:02 heyitsrick wrote:
Everyone fell for the OP's genius troll.

Trolling or not, there are people in this thread that actually agree with him, it's dumb.
SchAmToo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1141 Posts
November 08 2010 19:05 GMT
#246
This thread is just full of fail.

They have a right to show whatever they want on their stream, according to the rules and regulations of their ISP and provider of the stream. As long as they are within those guidelines, we should not "impose restrictions"

The stream was not directly affiliated with MLG, and aside from the fact that they casted MLG.

The world will not fall apart,, you will not pass go, you will not need a multipass.

Underage viewers see alcohol all the time.

End of issue.
twitch.tv/schamtoo | twitter.com/schamtoo
adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
November 08 2010 19:05 GMT
#247
Dude(anselm), if you thought last night was crazy and that enough was enough, you clearly havent experienced where things indeed get totally out of hand. That was only just a smidgen of drunken fun. Negative combination of alcohol and web cams is honestly the last thing I expect people to complaisant about when it comes to alcohol. What is much much worse to you? Drunk pranks? I get what you are saying that you care about e sports but I also think you need to not be as uptight.
I asked my friend how the ratio at a party was, he replied. "Let's just say for every guy there was two dudes."
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
November 08 2010 19:06 GMT
#248
On November 09 2010 03:59 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
Wait you were offended by Slasher saying blowjob but nothing iNcontroL may have said at any point offended you?

Interesting....


I was kind of onboard with OP when I started reading his post, but then I realized that I was only agreeing because I just really don't like Slasher. So yeah, nothing was wrong with doing the cast or the way the cast was done, I just wish Slasher wasn't on it
:3
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
November 08 2010 19:07 GMT
#249
Why is this thread still open when like 90% of people fully disagree with him? There's nothing really constructive going on here...
deadjon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States83 Posts
November 08 2010 19:08 GMT
#250
I watched it and enjoyed very much. It felt like a very real and legitimate and fun look into the world behind the game and casters. I personally feel it is a great thing to see the people involved in SC2 at the pro level still have fun, and most importantly have a passion of the game.

Its not like you could not find an example of every major sport casting and player base, doing things irresponsibly or frowned upon by their "governing body." Chris Berman cursing out his staff at sports center. Marv Albert's odd sexual fetishes, numerous players spouting off about various subjects related and unrelated to their sport. Its not a "new" problem nor is it one going away anytime soon. We are humans, not robots. We'll screw up, make mistakes and be very real.


I do think, as SC2 (or e-sports in general) grow in both popularity and viewer-ship, the participants may need to be slightly more careful about what gets taped and put out onto the internet. But with how quickly technology is advancing, the same can be said about all facets of our lives.
Huh... wha?
adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 19:10:45
November 08 2010 19:09 GMT
#251
You know, while i was watching the stream, it was after so and so interview people were actually asking for them to show the party and stuff and the shenanigans going on so we demanded to see the drunkeness. Honestly I dont even think people were that drunk. lol

Im surprised that you arent touching on the fact that Idra probably drank and hes only 20! I think the OP would talk about how law breaking isnt good for the future of e-sports either.
I asked my friend how the ratio at a party was, he replied. "Let's just say for every guy there was two dudes."
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
November 08 2010 19:10 GMT
#252
There are a number of problems with the complaint that our community should conform to the sensibilities of hypothetical prudes.

Who exactly are these people who will get so vehemently offended and will organize and vocalize with such force that sponsors will assess their ill will as outweighing our good will? By almost all accounts, the current community doesn't give a shit, so in order for the haters and PC prudes to be held as a threatening force, we need to associate the success of eSports with the endorsement from these people. I believe eSports' current success evidences the fact that our community does not need the support of such prudes in order to prosper.

Also, considering that the internet is the key organ in connecting our community and its content, it's safe to assume that usually once a fan becomes more involved in eSports, he will be exposed to much more controversial content than what we've seen on LO3 or elsewhere. Just the mere act of playing games with strangers almost guarantees exposure to some of the most vulgar, idiotic trash talk. This barrier of entry repels those who simply can't stand it; everyone else is more or less tolerant, with people less tolerant learning ways to cope.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
Nevy
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada169 Posts
November 08 2010 19:10 GMT
#253
While I don't particulary agree with the OP he does raise some valid points. This type of thing is probably not what's going to promote esports to a broader mainstream audience.
Turnus
Profile Joined June 2007
United States86 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 19:12:29
November 08 2010 19:11 GMT
#254
On November 09 2010 04:05 Schamus wrote:
This thread is just full of fail.

They have a right to show whatever they want on their stream, according to the rules and regulations of their ISP and provider of the stream. As long as they are within those guidelines, we should not "impose restrictions"

The stream was not directly affiliated with MLG, and aside from the fact that they casted MLG.

The world will not fall apart,, you will not pass go, you will not need a multipass.

Underage viewers see alcohol all the time.

End of issue.


The issue put forward by the OP has nothing to do with a person's "legal rights" or affiliations. He simply was calling for a more professional take on the conduct of the messengers of pro-gaming. One is free to operate at the legal minimum, or transcend that which is legally required of him and pursue a more personal, lofty morality.

Whether or not I agree with the OP is irrelevant. The lucidity of the post was refreshing, and the constant flow of combative filth that followed was disheartening.
cui dono lepidum novum libellum
VonLego
Profile Joined June 2010
United States519 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 19:16:10
November 08 2010 19:13 GMT
#255
OP doesn't need thicker skin, nor does he need to learn what it is like to be at a party. He understands folks like to have fun and sometimes some people can be crass while doing so.

What he did do is put together a well articulated argument for why acting like they did in a public light was not a good idea. To be honest the idea of showing a cam at an after party is kind of a neat idea, but I sure as hell don't want to hear about blow jobs in detail when I logged on to see starcraft.

For those of you who mindlessly attack the OP like rats on cheese, please think logically and not with your genitalia. You don't all but intentionally cut off a large portion of your fan base for no reason than to stick it to the man. Reading this thread it just reminds me that the cliche gamer is a 15-22 year old pot head who thinks pornography is cool and loves to talk about drugs. Even though TL is a bit "higher class" on average, these dregs of the gaming world still permeate everything.

EDIT: Of course they are allowed to show what they want. No one is going to argue that they should be silence from being crass. The OP didn't say that at all, and folks are getting off topic and bringing it up. The only thing OP said was that in order to produce a product more easily sold, keep it -slightly- cleaner. American Esports market is all but non-existent, why produce additional hurdles for oneself?
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
November 08 2010 19:14 GMT
#256
I watched it for a little bit, and it was pretty awkward so I stopped at only a couple minutes in. Something about watching other people "party" and drink on a fairly improvised stream- really makes me feel like a wierdo, not to mention I'm not a big fan of awkward moments.

DjWheat has always kinna been a bit edgy (in relation to most SC2 streams) and I would expect it. Though I didn't SEE it, BJ jokes and making fun of some girl, I wouldn't have that on my stream... but that fact that Wheat did have it doesn't make me like him any less.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
SilverPotato
Profile Joined July 2010
United States560 Posts
November 08 2010 19:16 GMT
#257
How many of you actually read the entire OP all the way through? OP never said they couldn't legally show them partying. He is saying that to third parties looking into e-sports as a viable, legitimate thing, something like a bunch of drunk guys talking about blow jobs would give the wrong impression.

Its so simple I'm surprised how few of up can understand whats being said when a well written paragraph is put in front of you.
"The ability to learn faster than your competitors may be the only sustainable competitive advantage." ~Arie de Geus
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
November 08 2010 19:16 GMT
#258
On November 09 2010 04:13 VonLego wrote:
Reading this thread it just reminds me that the cliche gamer is a 15-22 year old pot head who thinks pornography is cool and loves to talk about drugs. Even though TL is a bit "higher class" on average, these dregs of the gaming world still permeate everything.


I think you need to take a long hard look at 90% of the pro-gamers you are rooting for, many, MANY of them fit right into that category.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 19:20:43
November 08 2010 19:17 GMT
#259
On November 09 2010 04:10 Nevy wrote:
While I don't particulary agree with the OP he does raise some valid points. This type of thing is probably not what's going to promote esports to a broader mainstream audience.

But this type of thing is a lot less than what mainstream audiences are used to from traditional sports. Once incontrol starts dogfighting or HD starts busting caps in people's asses, or Idra goes on a rant about Jews, or Painuser strips and starts dancing naked, then we'll have reached where traditional sports are at in terms of professionalism outside the workplace.

Edit: I will agree with the people who said watching drunk people partying is pretty boring after the initial niceness of seeing those players in a relaxed atmosphere. But I don't think it's a big deal in terms of sponsors/esports, which I assume is what you're all worried about here. I think sponsors are much more worried about how a finals game will crash for 2 hours and can do so at any time if internet fails.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
November 08 2010 19:19 GMT
#260
On November 09 2010 04:05 Schamus wrote:
This thread is just full of fail.

They have a right to show whatever they want on their stream, according to the rules and regulations of their ISP and provider of the stream. As long as they are within those guidelines, we should not "impose restrictions"

The stream was not directly affiliated with MLG, and aside from the fact that they casted MLG.

The world will not fall apart,, you will not pass go, you will not need a multipass.

Underage viewers see alcohol all the time.

End of issue.


Your response is "full of fail;" he never suggested anyone did not have the right to show or do what they did, so your entire post is attacking a straw-man.
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