EPTAn open letter to djWheat and the Liveon3 folks - Page 13
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Falcon_NL
Netherlands236 Posts
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cz
United States3249 Posts
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heyitsrick
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okuraku
United States210 Posts
On November 09 2010 03:59 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Wait you were offended by Slasher saying blowjob but nothing iNcontroL may have said at any point offended you? Interesting.... I was thinking the same thing, lol. The analogy of SeleCT vs IdrA was so colorful | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On November 09 2010 04:02 heyitsrick wrote: Everyone fell for the OP's genius troll. Trolling or not, there are people in this thread that actually agree with him, it's dumb. | ||
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SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
They have a right to show whatever they want on their stream, according to the rules and regulations of their ISP and provider of the stream. As long as they are within those guidelines, we should not "impose restrictions" The stream was not directly affiliated with MLG, and aside from the fact that they casted MLG. The world will not fall apart,, you will not pass go, you will not need a multipass. Underage viewers see alcohol all the time. End of issue. | ||
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
On November 09 2010 03:59 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Wait you were offended by Slasher saying blowjob but nothing iNcontroL may have said at any point offended you? Interesting.... I was kind of onboard with OP when I started reading his post, but then I realized that I was only agreeing because I just really don't like Slasher. So yeah, nothing was wrong with doing the cast or the way the cast was done, I just wish Slasher wasn't on it  | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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deadjon
United States83 Posts
Its not like you could not find an example of every major sport casting and player base, doing things irresponsibly or frowned upon by their "governing body." Chris Berman cursing out his staff at sports center. Marv Albert's odd sexual fetishes, numerous players spouting off about various subjects related and unrelated to their sport. Its not a "new" problem nor is it one going away anytime soon. We are humans, not robots. We'll screw up, make mistakes and be very real. I do think, as SC2 (or e-sports in general) grow in both popularity and viewer-ship, the participants may need to be slightly more careful about what gets taped and put out onto the internet. But with how quickly technology is advancing, the same can be said about all facets of our lives. | ||
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
Im surprised that you arent touching on the fact that Idra probably drank and hes only 20! I think the OP would talk about how law breaking isnt good for the future of e-sports either. | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
Who exactly are these people who will get so vehemently offended and will organize and vocalize with such force that sponsors will assess their ill will as outweighing our good will? By almost all accounts, the current community doesn't give a shit, so in order for the haters and PC prudes to be held as a threatening force, we need to associate the success of eSports with the endorsement from these people. I believe eSports' current success evidences the fact that our community does not need the support of such prudes in order to prosper. Also, considering that the internet is the key organ in connecting our community and its content, it's safe to assume that usually once a fan becomes more involved in eSports, he will be exposed to much more controversial content than what we've seen on LO3 or elsewhere. Just the mere act of playing games with strangers almost guarantees exposure to some of the most vulgar, idiotic trash talk. This barrier of entry repels those who simply can't stand it; everyone else is more or less tolerant, with people less tolerant learning ways to cope. | ||
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Nevy
Canada169 Posts
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Turnus
United States86 Posts
On November 09 2010 04:05 Schamus wrote: This thread is just full of fail. They have a right to show whatever they want on their stream, according to the rules and regulations of their ISP and provider of the stream. As long as they are within those guidelines, we should not "impose restrictions" The stream was not directly affiliated with MLG, and aside from the fact that they casted MLG. The world will not fall apart,, you will not pass go, you will not need a multipass. Underage viewers see alcohol all the time. End of issue. The issue put forward by the OP has nothing to do with a person's "legal rights" or affiliations. He simply was calling for a more professional take on the conduct of the messengers of pro-gaming. One is free to operate at the legal minimum, or transcend that which is legally required of him and pursue a more personal, lofty morality. Whether or not I agree with the OP is irrelevant. The lucidity of the post was refreshing, and the constant flow of combative filth that followed was disheartening. | ||
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VonLego
United States519 Posts
What he did do is put together a well articulated argument for why acting like they did in a public light was not a good idea. To be honest the idea of showing a cam at an after party is kind of a neat idea, but I sure as hell don't want to hear about blow jobs in detail when I logged on to see starcraft. For those of you who mindlessly attack the OP like rats on cheese, please think logically and not with your genitalia. You don't all but intentionally cut off a large portion of your fan base for no reason than to stick it to the man. Reading this thread it just reminds me that the cliche gamer is a 15-22 year old pot head who thinks pornography is cool and loves to talk about drugs. Even though TL is a bit "higher class" on average, these dregs of the gaming world still permeate everything. EDIT: Of course they are allowed to show what they want. No one is going to argue that they should be silence from being crass. The OP didn't say that at all, and folks are getting off topic and bringing it up. The only thing OP said was that in order to produce a product more easily sold, keep it -slightly- cleaner. American Esports market is all but non-existent, why produce additional hurdles for oneself? | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
DjWheat has always kinna been a bit edgy (in relation to most SC2 streams) and I would expect it. Though I didn't SEE it, BJ jokes and making fun of some girl, I wouldn't have that on my stream... but that fact that Wheat did have it doesn't make me like him any less. | ||
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SilverPotato
United States560 Posts
Its so simple I'm surprised how few of up can understand whats being said when a well written paragraph is put in front of you. | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On November 09 2010 04:13 VonLego wrote: Reading this thread it just reminds me that the cliche gamer is a 15-22 year old pot head who thinks pornography is cool and loves to talk about drugs. Even though TL is a bit "higher class" on average, these dregs of the gaming world still permeate everything. I think you need to take a long hard look at 90% of the pro-gamers you are rooting for, many, MANY of them fit right into that category. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
On November 09 2010 04:10 Nevy wrote: While I don't particulary agree with the OP he does raise some valid points. This type of thing is probably not what's going to promote esports to a broader mainstream audience. But this type of thing is a lot less than what mainstream audiences are used to from traditional sports. Once incontrol starts dogfighting or HD starts busting caps in people's asses, or Idra goes on a rant about Jews, or Painuser strips and starts dancing naked, then we'll have reached where traditional sports are at in terms of professionalism outside the workplace. Edit: I will agree with the people who said watching drunk people partying is pretty boring after the initial niceness of seeing those players in a relaxed atmosphere. But I don't think it's a big deal in terms of sponsors/esports, which I assume is what you're all worried about here. I think sponsors are much more worried about how a finals game will crash for 2 hours and can do so at any time if internet fails. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On November 09 2010 04:05 Schamus wrote: This thread is just full of fail. They have a right to show whatever they want on their stream, according to the rules and regulations of their ISP and provider of the stream. As long as they are within those guidelines, we should not "impose restrictions" The stream was not directly affiliated with MLG, and aside from the fact that they casted MLG. The world will not fall apart,, you will not pass go, you will not need a multipass. Underage viewers see alcohol all the time. End of issue. Your response is "full of fail;" he never suggested anyone did not have the right to show or do what they did, so your entire post is attacking a straw-man. | ||
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