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As a SC2 fan who plays the game for fun, I think the LO3 was alright. It was very casual and it had a lot of swearing but I find it still acceptable in this day and age especially given the context.
However, I do understand where OP and some others is coming from though because yes, sc2 is a game and people have fun when playing game. But, there are people who wants SC2 to be MORE than just a game, for SC2 to be (E)Sports, culture, a respected profession as Tyler said.
In that show, the players were drunk and hammered and there were swear words all over the place and it was less than professional behaviour ( because it was actually a private party) and i can see the pov that by showing the party, it hurts the image of professionalism that many are trying to achieve in Esports.
There is a reason why professional athletes and entertainers don't broadcast their parties and give interviews when they are drunk and hammered.
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On November 09 2010 02:42 mcc wrote:
That was the most tame and politically correct party I have ever seen. But yes Americans seem to be prudes, also if you think this will make general population think any worse of the gamer population , you are delusional. Standard view of the gamers is : those guys who have no friends, no social life and play games all the time, so this cast can only change the view for the better, because it basically shows : hey they are not so alien as we thought. I think most people "who see where the OP is coming from" have led a very sheltered life and value form/style over substance too much.
If you think this "unproffesionalism" will hurt e-sports, lol, we have one affair a month with football players getting drunk and partying with hookers, and it is still the most popular sport, people don't care about professionalism that much (I am not saying that everything goes, but as I said this was the most tame party I have ever seen) and sponsors care only about money.
So fucking true. This, if anything, should show sponsors that they are not anti social robots who can't be on camera in a social setting.
except idra <3
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On November 09 2010 02:38 Typhon wrote:An open letter to TL postersDear TL posters: The OP had this to say about the cast: Show nested quote +The majority of the cast was wonderful to watch. I loved your conversations with the player post wins/losses, getting the inside perspective and knowing more of the behind the scenes of the tournament.
However, it is the last few minutes of the cast that I want to address i.e., He loved 98% of it. 2% of it, he has some criticism on. Seems reasonable enough to me.
He wrote an entire fucking letter addressing live on 3 because after 3 hours of partying and drinking incontrol made a crude joke; all of which was on an unofficial stream.
Doesn't seem reasonable to me.
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Wheat wanted to put on a show for the fans after MLG. It happened to be at a party but everyone was there and it made things easy to get people on the stream for interviews, etc.
The cons: noise was kinda an issue, people getting drunk, and day9 breaking things at the start.
The pros: a chance to see the players in a relaxed environment doing the same shit we all do, hearing their thoughts on the tournament, good discussion on the state of MLG's rules/the actual game, and to be fair it wasn't a SC2 stream it was a general e-sports stream as they took a break and discussed SSF4 for a moment and kept referencing other games.
The stream itself was both a success and it had its faults. Yeah, it's at a party and people got drunk and did stupid shit. It happens, get used to it, it's nothing worse than what's on TV anyway. Scoots even said he wasn't going to focus on the party for obvious reasons. People keep saying "If you don't like it don't watch it" but that's a silly thing to say as it wasn't till the very end where he got offended by Slasher's comments.
Regardless I think expressing your dislike for something someone said while drunk on a stream is quite silly as it was a free thing, no one got paid for it, it had nothing to do with MLG, GSL, Blizzard, etc. It was a bunch of folks from the scene unwinding and enjoying themselves at a party.
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On November 09 2010 02:53 Twistacles wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 02:38 Typhon wrote:An open letter to TL postersDear TL posters: The OP had this to say about the cast: The majority of the cast was wonderful to watch. I loved your conversations with the player post wins/losses, getting the inside perspective and knowing more of the behind the scenes of the tournament.
However, it is the last few minutes of the cast that I want to address i.e., He loved 98% of it. 2% of it, he has some criticism on. Seems reasonable enough to me. He wrote an entire fucking letter addressing live on 3 because after 3 hours of partying and drinking incontrol made a crude joke; all of which was on an unofficial stream. Doesn't seem reasonable to me.
Seems like I could give you the same exact advice half of the tards coming into this thread are. "Don't read it!"
It was completely reasonable and posts like this are much more useful to their show than shit like yours "ZOMG IT'S SO GOOD NO BASHING KTHX INCONTROL FTW"
They'll be aware of this if nothing else now. There are other issues at hand if you're into watching crude drunkards.
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To you guys on stream and everyone involved in MLG, I had a fantastic time, it was everybit as good as a tournament can get, love you guys. Please don't doubt what you are doing is great, it's only beceause it was such a fantastic event that there is so much fuss about it (positive and negative).
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This is worse than peoples reaction to state of the game and select.
Oh no blowjobs! I actually have a hard time believing these people actually exist. They must have been raised in a cave or something. There's just no logical way a real person would have a problem with this.
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On November 09 2010 02:51 Cynoks wrote:
The casting "etiquette" during times when it matters, like MLG events and the EG tournament that was a few weeks ago, is amazing and I really couldn't ask for anything more. Getting upset because they didn't have "professionalism" during the after party cast is pretty stupid. They went out of their way to do this bonus cast for everyone when they really could have just left the camera off and probably had even more fun than they did. It's like getting upset because some one messed up a line and yelled "Son of a bitch!" in the bonus footage of a DVD.
So I guess that leaving the stream on after the matches as if it was a continuation of the broadcast was the source of the matter. A simple sign saying "MLG from here on out resigns its responsibilty for whatever follows" and "The following content may not be suited for all viewers" would've done it imo. We have to think broadly here, for the sake of e-sports future.
EDIT: Ok, apparantly the stream wasnt a continuation of the MLG broadcast at all. Unless DjWheat officially directed people to see the stream after the finals, then I think the situation is a bit hyped up, seeing as it was a private stream rather than anything official. There's a huge difference there.
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i think this guy has a point.
you're all going off on him for recommending that that unprofessional attitude be kept off-air, but you apparently didn't read all of his post.
it didn't offend him. the OP isn't upset about it. he does, however think that if esports is to become big, there needs to be a professional attitude about it, because there are millions of people who just sit there waiting for reasons to lash out against video games.
i mean, shit. think of it this way. back during the '08 olympics, michael phelps was constantly being televised swimming, but they never televised the parties where he was getting drunk and high. that's because a lot of people are complete pussies that get offended by that stuff.
the OP is absolutely right. if esports is going to become a big thing in america, events like this have to be very serious, professional things. otherwise everyone will go on about how vulgar the casters are, what terrible role models they are, how satanic videogames have made them.
someone could privately live stream their footage of the after party if they really wanted to, but it could still cause controversy.
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On November 09 2010 03:01 LittleeD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 02:51 Cynoks wrote:
The casting "etiquette" during times when it matters, like MLG events and the EG tournament that was a few weeks ago, is amazing and I really couldn't ask for anything more. Getting upset because they didn't have "professionalism" during the after party cast is pretty stupid. They went out of their way to do this bonus cast for everyone when they really could have just left the camera off and probably had even more fun than they did. It's like getting upset because some one messed up a line and yelled "Son of a bitch!" in the bonus footage of a DVD. So I guess that leaving the stream on after the matches as if it was a continuation of the broadcast was the source of the matter. A simple sign saying "MLG from here on out resigns its responsibilty for whatever follows" and "The following content may not be suited for all viewers" would've done it imo. We have to think broadly here, for the sake of e-sports future.
The stream had nothing to do with MLG anyway.
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This thread is hilarious. I can't believe people exist who get so riled up over something that is completely asinine. I also noted somewhere in the thread someone mentioned the word "lawsuit" in relation to what got said on the cast, haha!
It was a party. Let me say that again in case that never sunk in, IT WAS A PARTY! Parties generally contain a lot of nonsense, frolics and other monkey antics. Crazy I know!
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On November 09 2010 03:01 LittleeD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 02:51 Cynoks wrote:
The casting "etiquette" during times when it matters, like MLG events and the EG tournament that was a few weeks ago, is amazing and I really couldn't ask for anything more. Getting upset because they didn't have "professionalism" during the after party cast is pretty stupid. They went out of their way to do this bonus cast for everyone when they really could have just left the camera off and probably had even more fun than they did. It's like getting upset because some one messed up a line and yelled "Son of a bitch!" in the bonus footage of a DVD. So I guess that leaving the stream on after the matches as if it was a continuation of the broadcast was the source of the matter. A simple sign saying "MLG from here on out resigns its responsibilty for whatever follows" and "The following content may not be suited for all viewers" would've done it imo. We have to think broadly here, for the sake of e-sports future.
Correct me if I'm mistaken but the after party cast wasn't on the MLG stream at all? Wasn't it just a link of a live stream account called "Cat-in-the-box" or something like that? lol
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On November 09 2010 02:47 Fa1nT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 02:32 brotosterone wrote:
I agree with the OP. I am all for having fun, but being professional is equally as important. I don't mind it. I actually enjoy it a lot, but others outside of e-sports looking to come in may be discouraged by crude behavior. An after party has nothing to do with e-sports. It's like a football team wins the superbowl, and has a party. Does this party have anything directly to do with football? are they drinking and throwing up all over their fans at the game? no, get over it.
I said I enjoyed it.
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This op is offensive, I thought it was great to see them as humans not in a tournament environment. Don't like? Don't watch. Simple as that
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I love how all you kids think this cast was somehow detrimental to ESPORTS.
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On November 09 2010 03:02 universalwill wrote:
it didn't offend him. the OP isn't upset about it. he does, however think that if esports is to become big, there needs to be a professional attitude about it, because there are millions of people who just sit there waiting for reasons to lash out against video games.
Well then the TC is asinine, because an after party is NOT ESPORTS. IT'S AN AFTERPARTY.
Every sport that exists can have parties where people drink and say whatever they want, and they do. Football and soccer have MASSIVE ones.
The actual casting of the games and players at tourneys is VERY professional. What they do after is nobodies fucking business, unless they want to share it like wheat did last night.
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On November 09 2010 02:57 Klamity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 02:53 Twistacles wrote:On November 09 2010 02:38 Typhon wrote:An open letter to TL postersDear TL posters: The OP had this to say about the cast: The majority of the cast was wonderful to watch. I loved your conversations with the player post wins/losses, getting the inside perspective and knowing more of the behind the scenes of the tournament.
However, it is the last few minutes of the cast that I want to address i.e., He loved 98% of it. 2% of it, he has some criticism on. Seems reasonable enough to me. He wrote an entire fucking letter addressing live on 3 because after 3 hours of partying and drinking incontrol made a crude joke; all of which was on an unofficial stream. Doesn't seem reasonable to me. Seems like I could give you the same exact advice half of the tards coming into this thread are. "Don't read it!" It was completely reasonable and posts like this are much more useful to their show than shit like yours "ZOMG IT'S SO GOOD NO BASHING KTHX INCONTROL FTW" They'll be aware of this if nothing else now. There are other issues at hand if you're into watching crude drunkards.
How is this useful for their show? All that's going to happen is they're never going to stream an afterparty again because holier-than-thou saints like you and OP will come down on them.
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it was a good show last night and i appreciate the effort to share it with the community.
please continue to give us this backstage content and don't let these overly sensitive forum children stop you. there are lots of kids on these forums that dont know how life is outside of their own little world, and will naturally make many dumb comments.
incontrol ftw.
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On November 09 2010 03:04 Ygz wrote:
This thread is hilarious. I can't believe people exist who get so riled up over something that is completely asinine. I also noted somewhere in the thread someone mentioned the word "lawsuit" in relation to what got said on the cast, haha!
It was a party. Let me say that again in case that never sunk in, IT WAS A PARTY! Parties generally contain a lot of nonsense, frolics and other monkey antics. Crazy I know!
If we are to support the growth of e-sports we have to stop acting like drunk idiots. There's a reason alcohol has an age-limit and we shouldn't expose underage viewers to the negative side effects of the potentially lethal drug. The professionalism was lacking and people new to the Starcraft 2/E-sports scene will now associate Starcraft 2 with alcohol.
What parents would want their children to see alcohol in association with their video games? Same with swearing, I heard Incontrol drop the f-bomb several times. When was the last time we heard the f-bomb when watching professional sports? I highly doubt any professional football player ever uttered any profanity on air.
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Is everyone on here 12 or something? They were streaming themselves at a party not in a professional setting,
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