EPTAn open letter to djWheat and the Liveon3 folks - Page 7
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DoubleLariat
Canada190 Posts
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Sobba
Sweden576 Posts
I really hope they dont read this thread and actually belive what the OP says reflects the community. So awesome job guys! Keep making stuff like this, much appriciated. | ||
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palanq
United States761 Posts
On November 08 2010 23:57 Kraz.Del wrote: There was nothing offensive during the last 10 mins. This thread should be locked. taking a page out of blizzard's forum policy? sure MLG employees have responsibility to be professional as to give e-sports more legitimacy. but it doesn't sound like this impromptu thing is a major PR blunder or something. | ||
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IamTheWhiteGuy
United States93 Posts
On November 09 2010 01:15 PackofHighly wrote: OP, you are being far too pedantic here. I think he is being shallow and pedantic, actually. No seriously, clearly eSports is an usual beast (I mean, as far as a comparison to physical sport goes here, the nature of the community is very different, in sort of the same way that poker could never be compared to the MLB or NFL), but can you imagine Michael Phelps showing up at a party and doing an interview while hammered? I love it, personally, but appreciate the direction the OP is coming from about this. | ||
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GreenSage
United States9 Posts
Esports should be aiming for something like XGames to get started. The one disadvantage of esports over traditional sports is that they require certain mechanics that not everyone can understand. E.g. For both kinds of games (traditional sports and esports) there are special rules to learn. That's fine. But once you learn the rules to a traditional sport (and even if you don't) what is impressive is the physical performances of the athletes. This is because everyone has a body and everyone can relate to the relative difficulty of what they are doing. With SC2 you have to also have general game-play knowledge to know whether something someone did was amazing or mundane. That is the barrier. So don't worry about any pro getting a Nike sponsorship just yet. Think of them more like Bam Margera and Tony Hawk than Tiger Woods or Shaquille O'Neil. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
Before anything can be done by harassing behaviors and offensive statements on streams of any of its kind, the view on females in the society as a whole really need to change. We're living in a modern world here, not in the Stone Age when men were out hunting and female took care of the childrens. I can really see how it must be hard for a female who's interesting in gaming on a competitive level just imagining how the "after-party" went. The e-sport scene could take the lead in this society change that needs to occur, seeing as there's actually no physical borders hindering women from competing on the same levels as men. Speaking gaming in general, there are actually girls interested in playing them competitively. But given the platform of today (of what I've read in several researches/questionnaires) they're having a real hard time doing so to the same extent as men. My two cents | ||
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BasilPesto
Australia624 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Graham
Canada1259 Posts
If anything it was the most enjoyable thing I've watched because the players were just acting chill and being themselves instead of providing the same old answers to the same old questions everyone always asks them... Also, if you've never seen Live on 3 before, they're always calling people out and there's a reason it's "progaming without the fluff". | ||
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phantem
United States163 Posts
I really liked the fact that it was recorded at the afterparty because you got to see all of the players in a more loose environment and it was entertaining to get to here all their comments and listen/see some of the things going on. | ||
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Golden Ghost
Netherlands1041 Posts
On November 09 2010 00:31 Hittegods wrote: Unpaid and unofficial or not, if you do something publicly that seems official or related with a main event, it will affect the view of the official event. That is just a general statement without having seen this broadcast. This. What happens in the background you can't control and you shouldn't want to control it. But what is said by the hosts on camera is a different story. Talking about giving someone a blowjob although not offending to me in anyway is something I think a hosts of the show shouldn't get himself into while the camera is rolling. | ||
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Escapist
Portugal548 Posts
I understand the fact that at the highest competitive level you're supposed to refrain yourself of going berserk or act wierd just to showoff, and should focus on putting the best performance possible on what you're doing as a player or a caster, but i dont think this is the case since they could clearly decide to just have the after-party for themselves and not stream any of it...but they didnt and imo that was great. So based on that and on the fact that whoever was watching it was aware of the "ambiance" on that location (beerpong ftw and such) you should just get into the flow and not worry about any crazy stuff going on or just leave it and watch something else. | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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ZomgTossRush
United States1041 Posts
"i am not offended, I like how it went, keep doing it." When they should be saying. "I am not offended, but I can see how others could be, and yes, these casters should be aware that that they COULD offend people, especially those new to the scene." | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
I'd go on and rant about this even more but the original post just really isn't worth my time or breathe. User was warned for this post | ||
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wacksteven
United States139 Posts
These guys tried to have a laid back environment that was at like 10/11pm EST that had nothing to do with the main event cast and put it up on USTREAM for a Live On Three cast that again...has no affiliation with MLG at all and was a party environment. When there are a ton of gamer guys in a room it's not like it turns into a rape party or something. This was a party! Everyone was probably hammered, and who doesn't say some stupid crap when they're drunk. I back them up 100% in anything they do for E-Sports. I respect the fact that the OP talked about everything in a clear and manner way, but I disagree with everything that was said to the fiber of my being. It was an afterparty...and compared to the parties I went to in college, incredibly tame. <3 to the Lo3 crew. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On November 09 2010 00:08 mapthesoul wrote: Esports = no fun allowed. Not a lot more needs to be said. I cringe every time I see a thread like this, what is he trying to accomplish? Starcraft 2 is a bloody game, e-sports or not. I started gaming as a kid because I enjoyed it, and playing with a few mates is always fun. People seem to forget that, Starcraft 2 is a game. Same with criticism for SotG, it's as if people never left their house and forgot that not the whole world revolves around the politically correct garbage they're swimming in. | ||
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Talho
Belgium592 Posts
On November 09 2010 02:09 ZomgTossRush wrote: I think 90% of these posters are saying the same thing. "i am not offended, I like how it went, keep doing it." When they should be saying. "I am not offended, but I can see how others could be, and yes, these casters should be aware that that they COULD offend people, especially those new to the scene." Let's make no fun at all then and loose the 90% viewers so 90% vs 10%, what you take ? Bad PR ... if anything, they are the ones making esports bigger | ||
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Twistacles
Canada1327 Posts
On November 08 2010 23:48 Anselm wrote: blah blah blah uppity bs You're everything wrong with the sc2 community User was warned for this post | ||
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Nu11
Canada167 Posts
On November 09 2010 00:02 Stratus wrote: Why do ppl wanna bitch at ppl having fun and showing us the fun side of esports. You ever think they are all drunk so they might say random things and joke around. lighten up a lil we dont live n a perfect world tho some of the ppl on this site think we do when it comes to esports. Its gettin pretty old. I think the idea is that being drunk is not only disrespectful and pathetic but vulgar and rude. It's not acceptable to be like that simply because you are drunk just like it isn't okay to kill someone while drunk. It's not an excuse for their actions. In any case, the issue here is that there was no disclaimer on the video IMO. I had a great time watching it and thought it was hilarious, especially IdrA. I think the post is a little bit of an exaggeration, but i do see where he is coming from and it's important to respect that. Of course, he could of just turned the stream off. But still, no disclaimer to be found and the link was tied to MLG at least through teamliquid.net. | ||
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