EPT[D] Why is protoss doing so bad in the GSL? - Page 11
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Gudeldar
United States1200 Posts
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.ImpacT.
United States390 Posts
Hell, I was a 2080 protoss till about 4 days ago when I quit laddering - waiting till the next ladder season then switching to Terran. Protoss isn't fun to watch, or fun to play - no harass, no options. :'( | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
Ladies and gentlemen: Terran | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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Varth
United States426 Posts
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MK4512
Canada938 Posts
*spoiler* hopetorture vs. genius game, I think that genius would have benefited from charge alot, but if he had gone High Templars with some FoxeR style spread, he would've had the game on meta in the bag I'm a protoss btw | ||
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lowercase
Canada1047 Posts
Toss has too many useless units too: DTs, carriers, motherships, and archons are entirely useless. Immortals are ALMOST useless, but their worst feature is interfering with your production of observers and collossi. Also, as "damage sponges" they are awful, because they're slower than your other units and are always at the back. | ||
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Huko
United States324 Posts
I also think Terran is dominant against Protosse, I think they should do something with Warp Prisms to make them actually viable. | ||
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_Darwin_
United States2374 Posts
On November 02 2010 06:44 lowercase wrote: True, 99% of the QQing here is versus Terran, not zerg. Gateway units are quite well balanced versus tier one zerg units. The solution here is not another terran nerf, but a protoss buff. Toss has too many useless units too: DTs, carriers, motherships, and archons are entirely useless. Immortals are ALMOST useless, but their worst feature is interfering with your production of observers and collossi. Also, as "damage sponges" they are awful, because they're slower than your other units and are always at the back. DTs aren't useless. Ask Artosis. Or watch the gsl. Archons aren't useless either. And there is a way to fix immortals being in the back of your army... micro. | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On November 02 2010 06:45 Huko wrote: All the luck of the draw, some people got better paths to the Ro4 than others, so just coincidental I guess that protoss are out. I also think Terran is dominant against Protosse, I think they should do something with Warp Prisms to make them actually viable. Warp prisms are pretty tough to balance I think. I don't think you could buff their HP without them being too strong. Maybe make them a bit faster. I wouldn't mind the fleet beacon being cheaper, but I also don't want to see motherships be too become a viable unit unless you are much better then your opponent ever. I don't like the super unit idea. I don't think late game is the problem though so I dunno probably wouldn't be best fix. | ||
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slam
United States923 Posts
On November 02 2010 06:38 .ImpacT. wrote: Remember, only like 8% of the Sc2 players are in Diamond. I thought it was split evenly 20% in all divisions? I remember hearing that in something from blizzcon I think. Am I wrong? | ||
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toadstool
Australia421 Posts
The problem lies with the amount of skill required to play Protoss at the very top level, especially in the Korean scene where they practice particular builds just on this one map. For a Protoss to play at a top level takes a lot more skill and larger luck factor than for a Zerg or Terran. | ||
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smallerk
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On November 02 2010 06:52 slam wrote: I thought it was split evenly 20% in all divisions? I remember hearing that in something from blizzcon I think. Am I wrong? It's about 8%. | ||
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Gudeldar
United States1200 Posts
On November 02 2010 06:52 slam wrote: I thought it was split evenly 20% in all divisions? I remember hearing that in something from blizzcon I think. Am I wrong? http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all | ||
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slam
United States923 Posts
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cameronkrazie86
United States296 Posts
Then again, I'm just a crappy high gold player so maybe I should just get better. But man, I hate EMP and healing so much, they dominate me every game. I have no problems playing against zerg provided I attack before they get enough mutas. | ||
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Vz0
Canada378 Posts
On November 02 2010 06:01 Daray wrote: You should give HuK, Genius etc some tips how to play. your a fucking 1400 diamond. the people you play barely now how to macro late game. Im 1200 with zerg and i only played it for a few weeks (its my friends account). serously get to something like 1600 1700 before you actually face people that know what they are doing. | ||
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griff
Netherlands26 Posts
Speed of the protoss army: Zealots (before upgrade)/sentries/immortals/colos are all very slow. This, imo, partially leads to the passive play of protoss players in the early game. If you ever engage in the wrong position and want to run.. well you've just lost all your stuff or at least the majority of your stuff. This is even worse when you add concussive shells into the picture. When I fight a terran I'm so freaking jealous when they just run away with stim when it isn't going how they like (I hear you say force field, but it's not realistic/possible to always force field a fleeing army). When you get zealot speed your army can get split up as well, when you chase some units and your zealots charge after them while your other units are lagging behind. Not to mention chargelots do like 1 attack after the charge and then all start messing up each other's paths when chasing. The speed issue also has impact on warp prism play. Let's say you drop 4 zealots (no charge), you probably kill 3/4 workers and then they run away. Now your zealots will start chasing units but will never catch up. Drop some marines with stim (you already have the medivac to heal) and your opponent is in some serious trouble. Run in with zerglings and your workers can never run away. If you drop stalkers, well hf shooting 4+ times for 1 worker kill. Dropping a colo is a huge risk and is also not that awesome dmg wise. Dropping HT, pretty damn cool but this is really really late game material. | ||
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WickedBit
United States343 Posts
On November 02 2010 06:51 _Darwin_ wrote: DTs aren't useless. Ask Artosis. Or watch the gsl. Archons aren't useless either. And there is a way to fix immortals being in the back of your army... micro. All Protoss units are good and not useless. The only problem is that those units are situational and only useful till the other races have opened all their techs.. Also the cost of teching to one of these makes these strategies kinda all-inish. For example if a terran goes cloaked banshee he is well off since going that route has opened all other tech routes for him and if that attack fails he can just switch around the tech lab and start producing seige tanks or something else. Terran also gets bunkers to defend in case of failed tech attempts. In case of zerg all techs are a building away. Protoss is the only case where if you try something and it succeeds then you win spectacularly and if it fails you lose spectacularly. Its kinda rock paper scissorish. | ||
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