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SirIsaacNewton
United States19 Posts
On August 26 2010 09:35 NightOfTheDead wrote: i think im starting to lose sanity. But i find it very hilarious. Can anyone else explain what they think on this matter. Please in a more elaborate manner. Hatcher cost 300 + 1 drone. 1 drone cost 50. By simple algebra, Hatchery cost 350. | ||
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sparknineone
United States52 Posts
On August 26 2010 09:41 Domingo wrote: I think this post account to a room full of people arguing about the color green, when half of them are colorblind. Everyone is right in their own head, while everyone is with conflicting opinions. Man you just summed up every argument to have ever existed. | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
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SOCOMICEPICK
87 Posts
On August 26 2010 09:41 FabledIntegral wrote: What? His post clearly shows that it costs 350, not 400... You start with nothing, you spend 350 minerals, and end up with the exact same thing (no units) but +1 hatchery. CC's cost 400 minerals correct? So if you started with 400 minerals and no SCVs... you spend 50 minerals to purchase an SCV and now you can't buy the CC... in order to have "CC and 1 worker" you need 450 minerals in this scenario, just as in order to have "hatchery and 1 worker" you need 400 minerals. Are you going to argue now that a CC costs 450 minerals? No. haha i admit i started off trolling in this thread just a tad bit myself (even tho i still gave the correct answer)....but they really do cost 400, you arent fooling me tho i know you cant be serious  | ||
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loadme
171 Posts
On August 26 2010 09:43 MalMal wrote: I pay you $5 for a candy bar, then I need another $5 to replace the $5 I lost, therefore the candy bar costs $10. the point is more about your wasted larva. you need to wait for one more to spawn. in this time the other one would have had collected tons of minerals. so its about the 5$, that you could have earned with investments from your other 5$. but since you bought a candy bar.. yea you would need another 5$ to replace it. edit: advantage on 5 $ thing lies on the hands. you can replace it with 10$ but in sc2 you have to wait for more larvae. no matter how many money you own  | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
If you spend 350 minerals, you have +1 hatcheries and the same amount of drones as before. If you spend 400 minerals, you have +1 hatcheries and +1 drones. | ||
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loadme
171 Posts
On August 26 2010 09:43 SirIsaacNewton wrote: Hatcher cost 300 + 1 drone. 1 drone cost 50. By simple algebra, Hatchery cost 350. plus the money, you lost in the idle time of your drone, when building up an expansion instead of earning minerals | ||
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ejac
United States1195 Posts
+300 for hatchery +50 for drone +50 for drone to replace -25 minerals for 2 supply Cost, 375 minerals. Larva is not a resource in sc2 unlike sc1 | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On August 26 2010 09:46 jalstar wrote: If you spend 300 minerals, you have +1 hatcheries and -1 drones. If you spend 350 minerals, you have +1 hatcheries and the same amount of drones as before. If you spend 400 minerals, you have +1 hatcheries and +1 drones. This. The hatchery itself costs 300 minerals. I don't see what there is to argue about. | ||
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Limelights
United States219 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 26 2010 09:44 SOCOMICEPICK wrote: haha i admit i started off trolling in this thread just a tad bit myself (even tho i still gave the correct answer)....but they really do cost 400, you arent fooling me tho i know you cant be serious I'm not sure if you're still trying to troll now. It's not even a question on whether or not it's 350 or 400. It's been proven algebraically that it's 350. You can't take into consideration "lost mining time," because SCVs encounter the exact same issue. If you "rebuild" the drone you're ending up with an EXTRA DRONE YOU NEVER HAD IN THE FIRST PLACE. I can only repeat the people's examples... Say you have 400 minerals, ZERO workers, and ONE hatchery. This is what you start with. 1. You now build one drone. You are not currently at 350 minerals in the bank, and have one extra drone you never had when you started. Agreed? 2. You use that one drone to build a hatchery. You are at zero drones once again. You now have a second hatchery. You have currently spent 350 minerals to build that hatchery. 3. This replacement drone costs 50 minerals (the last 50 minerals you have in your bank). What are you left with? One extra drone that you never started with at the end. Terran and Protoss do not end up with this extra worker. On August 26 2010 09:47 loadme wrote: plus the money, you lost in the idle time of your drone, when building up an expansion instead of earning minerals Terran has an identical issue. It's easier to look at it as an advantage for Protoss rather than something being wrong with Terran and Zerg. | ||
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KaRnaGe[cF]
United States355 Posts
On August 26 2010 09:41 FabledIntegral wrote: What? His post clearly shows that it costs 350, not 400... You start with nothing, you spend 350 minerals, and end up with the exact same thing (no units) but +1 hatchery. CC's cost 400 minerals correct? So if you started with 400 minerals and no SCVs... you spend 50 minerals to purchase an SCV and now you can't buy the CC... in order to have "CC and 1 worker" you need 450 minerals in this scenario, just as in order to have "hatchery and 1 worker" you need 400 minerals. Are you going to argue now that a CC costs 450 minerals? No. this is so great | ||
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GiantEnemyCrab
Canada503 Posts
terrans have it worst for building have to use scvs all day on 1 building Double =(( | ||
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
On August 26 2010 09:47 loadme wrote: plus the money, you lost in the idle time of your drone, when building up an expansion instead of earning minerals actually its the idle time of the whole drone lifetime, during which he could have gathered minerals instead. | ||
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VForce
Germany90 Posts
On August 26 2010 09:41 FabledIntegral wrote: So if you started with 400 minerals and no SCVs... you spend 50 minerals to purchase an SCV and now you can't buy the CC... in order to have "CC and 1 worker" you need 450 minerals in this scenario, just as in order to have "hatchery and 1 worker" you need 400 minerals. Are you going to argue now that a CC costs 450 minerals? No. Interesting thought why dont you open a new topic on that. You should explain your idea a little bit more in depth though, because I feel you will get some resistence here but dont loose faith | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On August 26 2010 09:32 drpepper wrote: useless thread is useless. Pretty much. This could be an interesting topic if the debate featured more than just the hatchery cost. Perhaps an cost/benefit analysis among the possible zerg BOs, give players a sense of timing on when to build the next hatch, etc. There's no change in regards to the cost of building a new base between SC1 and SC2. Why would this matter now? | ||
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KaRnaGe[cF]
United States355 Posts
On August 26 2010 09:43 sparknineone wrote: Man you just summed up every argument to have ever existed. lol thats such a good analogy | ||
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blueblimp
Canada297 Posts
Why is a drone usually worth more than 50 minerals? Imagine you had a (free) structure that could either instantly convert 50 minerals to a drone or a drone to 50 minerals. You'd use it to convert minerals to drones, of course, and almost never drones to minerals. That's because you have a limited number of hatcheries, and therefore a limited amount of larvae, and it takes a larva to convert 50 minerals to a drone. (The drone building time just makes the drone worth even more.) Occasionally you might use the converter the other way--say on a mined-out map, where you'd rather have another pair of zerglings (say) than the drone. | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
This is really a matter of accounting. Businesses will divide their expenses into separated cost buckets to figure out where the money is going. Big surprise is - they all do it differently. There exists industry standards and popular methods to account for the many expenses, but the truth is that these costs are all accounted for in different ways. All I mean to say is that you can all take your own approach to this. Establish a number for yourself that is easy to understand, you don't need to fight the fact that other people will see it differently. | ||
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
On August 26 2010 09:43 MalMal wrote: I pay you $5 for a candy bar, then I need another $5 to replace the $5 I lost, therefore the candy bar costs $10. Dude, who would pay 5$ for a candy bar? | ||
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