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On August 26 2010 09:43 MalMal wrote:
I pay you $5 for a candy bar, then I need another $5 to replace the $5 I lost, therefore the candy bar costs $10.
I actually choked on my dinner while reading this - was having a hard time putting into words how ridiculous the 400 mineral logic is but this sums it up pretty well.
A hatchery costs:
- 300 minerals
- a drone (worth 50 minerals)
- a larva (potentially bottlenecking production, but no value if not used within a short time period)
- lost mining time for the drone until a new drone can replace it - this is the 17 seconds it takes for a new drone to emerge, and not the time it takes for a hatchery to complete (terran also lose potential mining time when building)
In mineral costs (absolute or potential) this will work out to about 360 minerals. Note that to compare it with terran structures the correct value would be 350 minerals. The loss of a larva is not comparable to anything the other races have to offer, but must be weighed independently.
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On August 26 2010 10:05 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote:
So lets say an SCV has to be sacrificed to make a command center!
Would a CC still cost 400 minerals to get back where you were?
make scv = 50 minerals
make command center = 400 minerals
make scv = 50 minerals
= 500 cost
This thread is just basically OP terran telling zerg players to stop whining
Edit: And just for proof im right, im like 800 point diamond zerg player ok?
800 points.. in Bronze?
Your argument doesn't make any sense.
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On August 26 2010 10:08 Cantankerous wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 09:43 MalMal wrote:
I pay you $5 for a candy bar, then I need another $5 to replace the $5 I lost, therefore the candy bar costs $10. - a larva (potentially bottlenecking production, but no value if not used within a short time period) - lost mining time for the drone until a new drone can replace it - this is the 17 seconds it takes for a new drone to emerge, and not the time it takes for a hatchery to complete (terran also lose potential mining time when building) .
Actually it is lost mining time when u finish building drones, aka full saturation. Because the lost drone would add up until u have finished producing them.
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On August 26 2010 09:33 blueblimp wrote:
I choose to believe that everyone saying it costs 400 minerals is trolling, in order to preserve my sanity.
It's not trolling, it's...ok, I can't think of anything that isn't insulting  .
Hatcheries cost 350 minerals:
-> They cost a drone then a hatch -> 50 + 300, meaning you build a new drone to make the hatchery with, otherwise:
-> They cost a hatch then a drone -> 300 + 50, meaning you use an existing drone and then build a new drone to replace it.
It's very simple: If you count both the drone you used AND the next drone you build, you are not building a new hatchery. You are building a new hatchery and a new drone. It's super-simple and super-obvious.
To those who say it only costs 300 minerals, that's just as wrong, IMO. I assume their rationale is that you gain mining time while you save up 300 minerals - which is true if you use an existing drone - however what you gain there if you are using a mining drone for hatchery creation you lose while you have to spawn a new drone, it all balances out in the end .
The reason Zerg gets a cheaper expansion, btw, is because they need it. It's their production building as well as their resource gathering point and their units are weaker on the whole than the other two races.
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guys, extractor = 25 minerals.
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On August 26 2010 10:12 GlassMan wrote:
guys, extractor = 25 minerals.
lol this reminded me of something that actually has A LOT of game influence.
this is MUST watch if your interested in this topic
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On August 26 2010 10:12 GlassMan wrote:
guys, extractor = 25 minerals.
Ok lets say you have 5 drones and you want to build an extractor. You make an extractor with a drone - 25 for extractor and - 25 for drone.
Not you have 4 drones and an extractor
make another drone = 50 minerals. total = 125
forge costs 150 so its a pretty good deal for zerg IMO
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On August 26 2010 10:15 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote:Ok lets say you have 5 drones and you want to build an extractor. You make an extractor with a drone - 25 for extractor and - 25 for drone. Not you have 4 drones and an extractor make another drone = 50 minerals. total = 125 forge costs 150 so its a pretty good deal for zerg IMO
Haha, this thread is fantastic :D
I don't like assuming people are trolling so I'll explain anyway (again).
Let's say I do have 5 drones and want to build an extractor. I leave my current 5 drones mining alone. I make a new drone (50 minerals) with the SOLE PURPOSE of making an extractor with it. It finishes building. I turn it into an extractor (25 minerals). It finishes building.
I now have my original 5 drones mining, which I didn't touch, and an extractor. I spent 75 minerals.
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banelings cost 150/50 LOL!!!!
You need 1 zergling = 25
You need to upgrade that zergling = 25/25
You need to replace zergling = 25
That's 75/25
BUT WAIT
You need to replace baneling because to use it it must blow up!
So double that!
75/25 * 2 = 150/50 for a baneling!
One baneling has to kill like 4 marines to be worth it lol buff banelings guys!!!!
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On August 26 2010 10:10 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 10:08 Cantankerous wrote:On August 26 2010 09:43 MalMal wrote:
I pay you $5 for a candy bar, then I need another $5 to replace the $5 I lost, therefore the candy bar costs $10. - a larva (potentially bottlenecking production, but no value if not used within a short time period) - lost mining time for the drone until a new drone can replace it - this is the 17 seconds it takes for a new drone to emerge, and not the time it takes for a hatchery to complete (terran also lose potential mining time when building) . Actually it is lost mining time when u finish building drones, aka full saturation. Because the lost drone would add up until u have finished producing them.
Can you clarify what you mean?
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Well, IMHO, the 6 first hatcheries (or until you build 6 buildings) cost 300.
You can test it, you start a game, gather 1800 gold(300*6), dont spawn a single unit, and proceed to build 6 hatcheries.
If you want to build a 7th one, you need to spend 50 (for a drone) and 300 more for the hatchery itself.
A totally different problem, is how much gold would you have if you didnt build a Hatchery.
For example, protoss, would have X gold (depends on how many proves he got) + 400 (Nexus) + gold not gathered by the probe in the travel process.
Terran, would have X gold + 400 (CC) + gold not gathered by the SCV in the travel+CC build time process
Zerg, would have X gold+300 (or 350 if he already got 6 buildings)+1 drone gathering.
In th
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On August 26 2010 10:14 NightOfTheDead wrote:lol this reminded me of something that actually has A LOT of game influence. this is MUST watch if your interested in this topic
Hahaha
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On August 26 2010 10:22 VX14 wrote:
banelings cost 150/50 LOL!!!!
You need 1 zergling = 25
You need to upgrade that zergling = 25/25
You need to replace zergling = 25
That's 75/25
BUT WAIT
You need to replace baneling because to use it it must blow up!
So double that!
75/25 * 2 = 150/50 for a baneling!
One baneling has to kill like 4 marines to be worth it lol buff banelings guys!!!!
AHAHAHAHA - nice!
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Yeah, uh no.
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