EPT→ Tank : remove siege mode
→ Tank : nerf dps
→ Tank : remove tank
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Dystisis
Norway713 Posts
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bobcat
United States488 Posts
On August 25 2010 04:56 Pyon wrote: Hi, Reading a lot of forum a little summary of the 'have to absolutely need to be nerfed' T units : → SCV : decrease the amount of repair/min → SCV : decrease the amount of mineral collected for compensate mule → Marine : should'nt be able to fire air + ground → Marine : not enough expansive → Marine : stimpack cheated → Marine : too much dps → Marauder : should'nt be armored → Marauder : decrease DPS → Marauder : remove concussive shells → Marauder : have to be mecha (understand not be healed by medivac) → Marauder : should not be able to use stimpack → Marauder : decrease range → Marauder : should be more expansive → Marauder : too early → Reaper : too many dps → Reaper : too fast → Reaper : too early → Reaper : should not be able to jump cliff → Reaper : nerf nitro pack → Ghost : remove the unit → Ghost : nerf dps → Ghost : remove/nerf EMP → Ghost : remove/nerf nuke → Hellion : too fast → Hellion : too much dps → Hellion : remove igniter → Tank : remove siege mode → Tank : nerf dps → Tank : remove tank → Thor : remove splash → Thor : nerf dps → Thor : nerf health → Thor : should not be repaired → Viking : nerf range → Medivac : should not be able to heal → Medivac : should not be able to move troops → Medivac : nerf heal → Medivac : nerf speed → Medivac : increase cost → Medivac : remove this unit → Raven : should not spot cloacked/burrowed → Raven : remove PDD → Raven : remove turrets → Banshee : remove cloacked → Banshee : nerf dps → Banshee : nerf health → Banshee : increase cost → Banshee : nerf range → Battle Cruiser : cheated → Supply Depot : should not be able to be lowered → Command Center : remove orbital command → Command Center : remove scan → Command Center : remove mule → Command Center : nerf mule → Bunker : increase cost → Bunker : nerf health → Sensor Tower : remove this building → Missile Turret : increase cost → Missile Turret : remove this building → All Buildings : should not fly I have read at least one time each of this lines... This is quite funny, because all of this can be read every day on some sc2 forums at differents gaming levels. So in my mind the best idea should to change the way Terrans are playing. They obviously don't need units, and theirs workers are OP. So i suggest to obliged Terrans to mine by theirselves with their mouse. One clic and drag for 10 minerals should be enough (in that way they will learn a bit how macro). On the otherway, as far as they do not need units, they should fire on the enemy units also with their mouse : 1 clic = 4 hp less for light and half for armoured (in that way they will learn a bit how micro). Buildings will be useless without units to create, but we can reconvert them into ammo factory, ammos will be used by the Terran for fired on enemys. Vespene can be used for create more powerful ammo. But even in this case i am sure people will find a way for complain. (no workers, ammo too powerfull, no need to create units, etc.). I am not saying starcraft 2 do not need any adjusment, but maybe people should use their brain before complaining about almost eveything. Maybe Terran need to be nerfed, maybe not, anyway i am not good enough for have a clever opinion on this. But read people complaining about every terran units, every days, is very boring. So maybe i am the problem, maybe i should avoid sc2 forum for a while... But i think if people are not complaining about Terrans, they will complain about Zerg or Protoss. I am very interested by clever opinions when someone ask for a nerf, but this last week it's becoming totally stupid and most of post for complain are wrote without explications... I can understand the frustration of someone who cannot win even if he do his best (idra for example), but i am pretty sure some of people make a lot of mistake when they play vs Terran, and this is obviously easier to ask for a nerf than to try to find a counter (i say this especially for lower gaming levels) Yes, i am complaining about some complainers =D Please do not flame me too hard, i know this post is stupid... But i really feel bored to read some sc2 post, wheras i really enjoy read sc2 forum when i have free time. (And by the way i am sorry for my poor english writing) 1. The SC2 strategy forums are not for posting meaningless threads. Basically all you are saying is hey other people are saying terran is OP here is a long list of crap. I'm sorry that you're bored, go buy a coloring book. 2. Contrary to popular belief. The SC2 strategy forums are not for posting balance discussions. Move it to general. (I realize that many conversations about how to fight a certain Terran/Protoss/Zerg strat can devolve into a balance discussion, but it started as a Strategy Discussion) 3. This one isn't a rule, just my opinion. Don't try to take all of the different comments made be all of the different people and try to lump them together and pretend that it's the concensus that all of those people share. If Bob thinks tanks shouldn't exist, Jon thinks that scv's repair too fast, and Steve thinks that Battlecruisers are OP. It doesn't mean that the guy who thinks that terran air is a little cheaper than it should be has to also agree with everything that the three idiots perceding him said. 4. As a Terran player you should acknowledge the fact that Immortals, Void Rays, Zealots, Stalkers, High Templar, Dark Templar, Banelings, Roaches, and Infestors. Have all been nerfed as a direct result of Terrans complaining. Also. Marauders, Thors and Vikings have been buffed because Terrans were complaining. I'm not making a balance arguement here, just trying to give you a little bit of perspective on your arguement. It is everyone'ss right to complain even about people complaining, but put it in the right area and as always, if you don't have anything worth saying. Don't say anything at all. | ||
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fathead
United States158 Posts
Yes, Terran is OP. Yes, people are exaggerating just how OP Terran is. Yes, Terran players are underestimating just how OP Terran is. In a large enough sample size you are bound to get just about every opinion represented. A similar list could be made on people suggestions on how to fix the economy. - Expand the Government - Decrees the Government - Remove the Government - Fix the Government - Bring back slavery - Sell our kids to China - Use leafs for currency - Perform human sacrifices to the economic Elder-Gods This list is kind of funny, even though I seriously doubt you can provide sources for even half of it. However making it seem like just because people are grossly overstating how OP Terran is, doesn't make them balanced. Zerg is constantly fighting an uphill battle vs Terran and they sometimes have to play a guessing game due to their lack of ability to scout. Yes there are ways to beat strategy X, but it seems like it's always Zerg who has to figure out how to beat strategy X. Terran's job is just to come up with strategy X and sit back and enjoy the win streaks until one day some one figures out how to beat it. | ||
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Axiom0
63 Posts
A+ OP. | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
But I think people are going about balancing wrong. SC1 was balanced because all 3 races were overpowered. You don't want to start equalizing all races, or they start losing their individual style. I'd prefer to keep Tanks the way they are, keep Marauders the way they are, keep Ghosts the way they are, and buff the other races. | ||
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hofodomo
United States257 Posts
→ Marine: remove rifle. → Terran: fuck Terran. But yeah, OP brought a smile to my face, haha. | ||
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Grimjim
United States395 Posts
This is productive. | ||
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GodIsNotHere
Canada395 Posts
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Batch
Sweden692 Posts
As long as there isn't a consensus among the professionals that there is balance then we will see these posts complaining about certain elements in the game. I actually believe that well composed "nerf this" threads contribute a lot to the community. They practically contain the same content as "epic strategy" threads, they just highlight strengths from another angle and without these threads Blizzard would wait a lot longer before making their balance adjustments. If one person thinks something is imbalanced then that person probably is a whiner. If one hundred people thinks something is imbalanced then that might be the case. If one million people thinks something is imbalanced then something is imbalanced. | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
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Iblis
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Meldrath
United States620 Posts
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Flyingdutchman
Netherlands858 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
...and I seriously lol'd. Thanks  | ||
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TSL-Lore
United States412 Posts
Marines in small numbers simply shouldn't be very strong. In SCBW, a single zergling could kill a single Marine. This was okay because in larger numbers, a tight formation of marines was extremely potent (the inner marines are protected from damage, but can still shoot efficiently) while a large number of zerglings crowd each other, and only the front line can hit. The Terrans of SC2 shouldn't be able to A-move with impunity. By making the Terran army more fragile when dispersed but more powerful when positioned well, this game could preserve its dynamic combat. With that said, a few of the changes listed in the OP might help in terms of balance, but definitely not all of them. However, "--> Remove Tank" is a change that I would definitely like to see =] | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
 Funny new gameplay mechanics, would require very fast clicking to kill an army :p Would have a better place n General though | ||
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HaGuN
United States154 Posts
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TSL-Lore
United States412 Posts
On August 25 2010 06:59 HaGuN wrote: Zerg, remove all projectiles as they are animals- fixed~! No way, a lot of animals use projectiles! look! ![[image loading]](http://www.naturia.per.sg/buloh/photos/a010b.jpg) | ||
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kmkzipedestrian
Denmark2 Posts
allthough i certainly agree with u on some of the things, i think that the better thing 2 do, would be 2 buff P and Z... the T bioball vs P as example is so absurd 2 deal with (imo) unless u got both colossi and HT's.. otherwise the medivacs will heal em up easily.. and colossi plus HT's is way 2 much gas 2 handle.. so just buff T and Z imo... | ||
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
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