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One cannot be held responsible for instances when a word unintentionally brings back memories of a painful event. Your lady friend needs to come to terms with the fact that she's going to be unintentionally reminded of that event for the rest of her life. Whether it be everytime she hears the word on the news, or on crime shows, or when someone tells her to pass them the rake, because that sounds kinda similar too.
She should politely request that out of respect to her, people not say it when she's around, but she has absolutely no right to get be offended when someone who isn't familiar with her backround unintentionally says the word around her.
All that said, I don't actually say "rape" casually so I don't really care much about this thread, I prefer the much more mature and sophisticated term "shit on". God forbid I ever run into someone that was attacked by a scat fetishist and try to describe what exactly happened when that kid tried to 2 gate me, though. "GET THE FUCK OUT, YOUR 2GATE GOT SHIT ON"
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On August 14 2010 03:56 SpicyCrab wrote:
What's worse, when the word is used in passing by ignorant gamers it cheapens its meaning, it is as if you're saying, "oh this isn't a big deal at all."
The intent behind the word is infinitely more meaningful then the word itself.
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no language should be out of bounds. it's the intent that matters, and if the person had a malicious intent with the word, that's just a reflection of their poor personality/character. i don't think the word is particularly classy, but i would never tell someone not to use it, or any other word, unless they were using it incorrectly.
almost all casters don't make a cent off of what they do, and if they moved on to high profile casting jobs like tasteless, would surely clean up their vocabulary a bit. as it is they can say whatever they want at me through my headphones, if i click on it and it's free. :D
for some reason this thread makes me think about a Ween concert i went to a couple weeks ago, where they opened with the HIV song...
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On August 14 2010 05:32 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
I expect more from TL about this kind of thing.
You expected more from TL? Do you mean I expected TL to have the same opinions and outlooks on issues as I do?
This is exactly what I expected from TL, The OP making a proposition and others debating the merits of what was proposed.
Throw in the smug, pretentious responses of the OP, a few idiots, a few people trying to chime in irrelevant opinions,
and add in the Majority of a few users having a some-what civilized debate (as far as the internet goes)
Just pisses me off whenever people say 'Expected more from TL' in this thread.
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I agree with Kwark and sith. They simply speak the truth and i think op is being a bit silly 
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On August 14 2010 05:37 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 05:36 neohero9 wrote:On August 14 2010 05:34 Myles wrote:On August 14 2010 05:27 Cham wrote:On August 14 2010 05:22 Myles wrote:
Whatever happened to sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me?
I'm not saying that people shouldn't empathize and be considerate, but people in general seem way too quick to get offended by what other people say. I think you missed the point about offending people who have actually been raped. Yes, but why are they offended because of the word? Words are used all the time that convey meanings which are offensive to certain people. Are we picking and choosing which are acceptable and which are not? Is any offensive word out of bounds, or only certain ones? I get that rape is horrible thing, but so is murder and war. Should we stop saying I killed or destroyed someone? Well, if the dead were around to be offended by the word "killed", perhaps. But they're not. Many rape victims are. The dead people are around, but thier family is. This whole issue is a huge double standard on word use.
No. I'm engaged to someone who has been raped. I'm not offended by the word 'rape' as she is, by orders of magnitude. More sensitive to it, yes, but I don't break down at its mention.
The comparison is not fitting.
The concepts of "kill" and "rape" are completely different, too. Read my post on pg3, and compare that to the concept of "kill". There are huge differences.
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Just pisses me off whenever people say 'Expected more from TL' in this thread. You apparently haven't been on TL for long...
It was a way of saying "I didn't expect much, but I didn't expect you guys to be this clueless."
Plus, TL has been one of the better communities I've visited in terms of maturity. Possibly the best.
Maybe I just visit horrible communities.
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On August 14 2010 05:19 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 05:15 Badjas wrote:Agree with OP. Giving rape a double meaning (well, triple if you count the plant) in the way it does, where the action of rape in one context is a glorification of 'the rapist', while in the other context it is one of the most gruesome things in life, is bad. Me saying it is bad won't help out the cause of getting rid of it at all, but perhaps those 'in power' for such things, mainly casters, could make a difference. If they so feel like, of course. The statistics for sexual harassment are shocking. It's hard to find some global statics, I googled this and I've read numbers between 50% and 80% before. There are a lot of people who don't feel comfortable with the usage of such a word, think about it. Even if peer pressure makes you fear to be seen as a wuss for abstaining from using 'rape' the wrong way. They get girls to admit they've been sexually harassed in the most retarded ways though. I remember some group came to my school once, and they asked if girls had ever been to clubs before and some guy came and started dancing with them via grinding without asking them first. If that caused an uncomfortable situation for them/they didn't want him to do it, they have been sexually harassed. A guy not even hardcore grindng but putting his hands on a girls waist in the same manner at a club (aka one of the main ways you dance wiht strangers) is also considered sexual harassment. Also having sex with a drunk girl is rape, so you never know how those skew numbers (aka girl that got too drunk, had sex with guy consenting [well not legally] then next morning says guy took advantage of her. And I'm not talking about her being blacked out or anything, just drunk).
I agree with you. And that's probably the case for that 80% number. Notice that in the linked article, it mentions over 50% from non-peer to peer contact. Which excludes the big reason - clubbing. Seems some more detailed statistics are hard to come by  Besides the severity, having been in a seriously threatening situation, regardless of outcome, can cause very strong feelings already.
I have second hand experience on the topic and maybe it makes me biased. But this thread's original intention is awareness for those who use the word without second thoughts. Those second thoughts, I have them plenty of times when reading battle reports.
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Lol i kind of want to abandon my position just because people on "my side" act so immaturely.
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On August 14 2010 05:40 neohero9 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 05:37 Myles wrote:On August 14 2010 05:36 neohero9 wrote:On August 14 2010 05:34 Myles wrote:On August 14 2010 05:27 Cham wrote:On August 14 2010 05:22 Myles wrote:
Whatever happened to sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me?
I'm not saying that people shouldn't empathize and be considerate, but people in general seem way too quick to get offended by what other people say. I think you missed the point about offending people who have actually been raped. Yes, but why are they offended because of the word? Words are used all the time that convey meanings which are offensive to certain people. Are we picking and choosing which are acceptable and which are not? Is any offensive word out of bounds, or only certain ones? I get that rape is horrible thing, but so is murder and war. Should we stop saying I killed or destroyed someone? Well, if the dead were around to be offended by the word "killed", perhaps. But they're not. Many rape victims are. The dead people are around, but thier family is. This whole issue is a huge double standard on word use. No. I'm engaged to someone who has been raped. I'm not offended by the word 'rape' as she is, by orders of magnitude. More sensitive to it, yes, but I don't break down at its mention. The comparison is not fitting. The concepts of "kill" and "rape" are completely different, too. Read my post on pg3, and compare that to the concept of "kill". There are huge differences.
Killing and owning people has always been the norm on a battlefield, while a rape is always an atrocious thing in any circumstances. I don't know what these people are trying to prove with such weak argument.
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The writers on Law and Order SVU must be seriously drowning in complaint letters.
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On August 14 2010 05:40 neohero9 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 05:37 Myles wrote:On August 14 2010 05:36 neohero9 wrote:On August 14 2010 05:34 Myles wrote:On August 14 2010 05:27 Cham wrote:On August 14 2010 05:22 Myles wrote:
Whatever happened to sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me?
I'm not saying that people shouldn't empathize and be considerate, but people in general seem way too quick to get offended by what other people say. I think you missed the point about offending people who have actually been raped. Yes, but why are they offended because of the word? Words are used all the time that convey meanings which are offensive to certain people. Are we picking and choosing which are acceptable and which are not? Is any offensive word out of bounds, or only certain ones? I get that rape is horrible thing, but so is murder and war. Should we stop saying I killed or destroyed someone? Well, if the dead were around to be offended by the word "killed", perhaps. But they're not. Many rape victims are. The dead people are around, but thier family is. This whole issue is a huge double standard on word use. No. I'm engaged to someone who has been raped. I'm not offended by the word 'rape' as she is, by orders of magnitude. More sensitive to it, yes, but I don't break down at its mention. The comparison is not fitting. The concepts of "kill" and "rape" are completely different, too. Read my post on pg3, and compare that to the concept of "kill". There are huge differences.
The comparision is fitting, You're making an arbitrrary determination that the word rape is more offensive than other words because you have a personal stake in the matter. That's why its a double standard.
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On August 14 2010 05:41 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:Show nested quote +Just pisses me off whenever people say 'Expected more from TL' in this thread. You apparently haven't been on TL for long... It was a way of saying "I didn't expect much, but I didn't expect you guys to be this clueless." Plus, TL has been one of the better communities I've visited in terms of maturity. Possibly the best. Maybe I just visit horrible communities.
Didn't mean to be condescending btw; TL is one of the better communities but just because some users disagree with you doesn't mean they're clueless.
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Saying rape among victims makes them sad. We do not want to make them sad. It is not their fault. However, many other words have similar effect. If anything, I think 'gay' and 'faggot' hurt more people than 'rape' (partially because we have a mostly male audience, and NO this specifically isn't the reason why that is true).
If somebody came up to me and knowingly told me that a word hurt them, I would make a conscious effort to stop saying that word around them. The reason being, these words do help us communicate certain expressions. I don't want to go to extremes, and perhaps gamers these days (among pretty much everyone else in society so don't single us out) do use too much offensive language in order to communicate intensity in their points. But OP, and anyone reading this should understand that there needs to be a balance, between expression and sensitivity. and for this reason, saying you are 100% right makes no sense.
No, I won't stop saying rape. I won't say "are you retarded" in front of my disabled friends, I won't say "that faggot dt dropped me" in front of my gay friends, I won't say "stupid nigger" in front of my black friends, and I won't say "damn i got jewed" in front of my jewish friends. And I probably won't say rape in front of you OP, because you are sensitive about it (regardless of whether you are a victim or not). But that gives me no reason to stop saying it in general. This is the ideal trade off.
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On August 14 2010 05:42 keV. wrote:
The writers on Law and Order SVU must be seriously drowning in complaint letters.
I'm sure they did, and I'm sure they still are.
But they're not glorifying rape. They're condemning it, nearly every episode.
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On August 14 2010 05:43 ShinyGerbil wrote:
No, I won't stop saying rape. I won't say "are you retarded" in front of my disabled friends, I won't say "that faggot dt dropped me" in front of my gay friends, I won't say "stupid nigger" in front of my black friends, and I won't say "damn i got jewed" in front of my jewish friends. And I probably won't say rape in front of you OP, because you are sensitive about it (regardless of whether you are a victim or not). But that gives me no reason to stop saying it in general. This is the ideal trade off.
This is a surprisingly calm and articulate way to imply that, when your black friends aren't around, you use the word nigger regularly. Did I misinterpret that?
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Just pisses me off whenever people say 'Expected more from TL' in this thread. You apparently haven't been on TL for long...
It was a way of saying "I didn't expect much, but I didn't expect you guys to be this clueless."
Plus, TL has been one of the better communities I've visited in terms of maturity. Possibly the best.
Maybe I just visit horrible communities.
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On August 14 2010 05:44 neohero9 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 05:42 keV. wrote:
The writers on Law and Order SVU must be seriously drowning in complaint letters. I'm sure they did, and I'm sure they still are. But they're not glorifying rape. They're condemning it, nearly every episode.
Horrific violence, dramatic reenactments, imperfect justice.... That certainly wouldn't give rise to more horrible memories than some nerd shouting RAPPPPPED at the top of his lungs when a probe kills an SCV.
Because, hey, they are condemning it.
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On August 14 2010 05:43 ShinyGerbil wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Saying rape among victims makes them sad. We do not want to make them sad. It is not their fault. However, many other words have similar effect. If anything, I think 'gay' and 'faggot' hurt more people than 'rape' (partially because we have a mostly male audience, and NO this specifically isn't the reason why that is true).
If somebody came up to me and knowingly told me that a word hurt them, I would make a conscious effort to stop saying that word around them. The reason being, these words do help us communicate certain expressions. I don't want to go to extremes, and perhaps gamers these days (among pretty much everyone else in society so don't single us out) do use too much offensive language in order to communicate intensity in their points. But OP, and anyone reading this should understand that there needs to be a balance, between expression and sensitivity. and for this reason, saying you are 100% right makes no sense.
No, I won't stop saying rape. I won't say "are you retarded" in front of my disabled friends, I won't say "that faggot dt dropped me" in front of my gay friends, I won't say "stupid nigger" in front of my black friends, and I won't say "damn i got jewed" in front of my jewish friends. And I probably won't say rape in front of you OP, because you are sensitive about it (regardless of whether you are a victim or not). But that gives me no reason to stop saying it in general. This is the ideal trade off.
So why're you saying it in general??? I just dont understand why you would trivialise a derogatory, politicised term at all if you are sensitive to the sensistivity of those around you
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On August 14 2010 05:46 choboPEon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 05:43 ShinyGerbil wrote:
No, I won't stop saying rape. I won't say "are you retarded" in front of my disabled friends, I won't say "that faggot dt dropped me" in front of my gay friends, I won't say "stupid nigger" in front of my black friends, and I won't say "damn i got jewed" in front of my jewish friends. And I probably won't say rape in front of you OP, because you are sensitive about it (regardless of whether you are a victim or not). But that gives me no reason to stop saying it in general. This is the ideal trade off. This is a surprisingly calm and articulate way to imply that, when your black friends aren't around, you use the word nigger regularly. Did I misinterpret that?
I interpreted it as a list of possible situations where language that could cause offence was avoided out of politeness. The number of examples suggested to me that he was simply writing every slur he could think of rather than privately hating every minority whenever they weren't around.
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