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On August 14 2010 05:49 neohero9 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 05:43 Myles wrote:On August 14 2010 05:40 neohero9 wrote:On August 14 2010 05:37 Myles wrote:On August 14 2010 05:36 neohero9 wrote:On August 14 2010 05:34 Myles wrote:On August 14 2010 05:27 Cham wrote:On August 14 2010 05:22 Myles wrote:
Whatever happened to sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me?
I'm not saying that people shouldn't empathize and be considerate, but people in general seem way too quick to get offended by what other people say. I think you missed the point about offending people who have actually been raped. Yes, but why are they offended because of the word? Words are used all the time that convey meanings which are offensive to certain people. Are we picking and choosing which are acceptable and which are not? Is any offensive word out of bounds, or only certain ones? I get that rape is horrible thing, but so is murder and war. Should we stop saying I killed or destroyed someone? Well, if the dead were around to be offended by the word "killed", perhaps. But they're not. Many rape victims are. The dead people are around, but thier family is. This whole issue is a huge double standard on word use. No. I'm engaged to someone who has been raped. I'm not offended by the word 'rape' as she is, by orders of magnitude. More sensitive to it, yes, but I don't break down at its mention. The comparison is not fitting. The concepts of "kill" and "rape" are completely different, too. Read my post on pg3, and compare that to the concept of "kill". There are huge differences. The comparision is fitting, You're making an arbitrrary determination that the word rape is more offensive than other words because you have a personal stake in the matter. That's why its a double standard. You're missing my point. Even before I knew a girl who had been raped, I didn't use that word, because it's a dick thing to do. Your assumption about my personal stake is incorrect. The point I'm making is that the victim is still around to be affected by the word "rape", making it much worse than "kill", because the only person with an actual personal stake in the act of "killing" is DEAD. The families and friends of both types of victims can be offended, but their pain is much less than that of the victim. The difference, again, is that one is DEAD and the other is grossly scarred.
I think you, along with countless other people have clearly pointed out that some people dont like hearing the word 'rape'. That's not the issue at hand here. You have yet to prove why people have to make self-sacrifices for the greater good of another. Why must we do it mandatorily instead of voluntarily?
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On August 14 2010 05:56 choboPEon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 05:53 ShinyGerbil wrote:On August 14 2010 05:46 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:43 ShinyGerbil wrote:
No, I won't stop saying rape. I won't say "are you retarded" in front of my disabled friends, I won't say "that faggot dt dropped me" in front of my gay friends, I won't say "stupid nigger" in front of my black friends, and I won't say "damn i got jewed" in front of my jewish friends. And I probably won't say rape in front of you OP, because you are sensitive about it (regardless of whether you are a victim or not). But that gives me no reason to stop saying it in general. This is the ideal trade off. This is a surprisingly calm and articulate way to imply that, when your black friends aren't around, you use the word nigger regularly. Did I misinterpret that? Potentially. Regardless of how regularly I use the word, I try not to make people feel bad, but I also try not to go out of my way to hold things back. Balance. I'll give you credit for at least honest about your use of the words.
Words in themselves are harmless. Its the way they are told, and the situation they are told in that matters.
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If we want to see ESports come to the West, we have to adhere to the same standards of language that is on public TV sports. I would love to see Starcraft II Tournaments shown on TV and make into the mainstream just like football or soccer or basketball.
I have never once heard a football commentator say "JESUS CHRIST did you see that pass?" Or a basketball commentator say "That was the longest fucking three pointer I have ever seen!" "GOD he is raping the other team all by himself!"
If we continue to use the words rape, faggot, Jesus Christ to commentate games, we will never move ESports to any major network ever. Having read this thread and seeing that most gamers don't care too much about others feelings and sensitivity to certain words and phrases, ESports will never make it in the West.
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Meh... it's a good point but hard to enforce rly, it's so entrenched.
I myself tend to use "DESTROY", so at least I'll do my part.
cheers'
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On August 14 2010 05:59 DaCruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 05:56 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:53 ShinyGerbil wrote:On August 14 2010 05:46 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:43 ShinyGerbil wrote:
No, I won't stop saying rape. I won't say "are you retarded" in front of my disabled friends, I won't say "that faggot dt dropped me" in front of my gay friends, I won't say "stupid nigger" in front of my black friends, and I won't say "damn i got jewed" in front of my jewish friends. And I probably won't say rape in front of you OP, because you are sensitive about it (regardless of whether you are a victim or not). But that gives me no reason to stop saying it in general. This is the ideal trade off. This is a surprisingly calm and articulate way to imply that, when your black friends aren't around, you use the word nigger regularly. Did I misinterpret that? Potentially. Regardless of how regularly I use the word, I try not to make people feel bad, but I also try not to go out of my way to hold things back. Balance. I'll give you credit for at least honest about your use of the words. Words in themselves are harmless. Its the way they are told, and the situation they are told in that matters.
You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word nigger just because you want to. Sorry.
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On August 14 2010 05:36 choboPEon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 05:32 Fontong wrote:
The amount I'm offended by the word 'rape' is zero. If this was about the words 'gay' or 'faggot', or any other derogatory term referring to homosexuality, I would be much more open.
Rape victims are not being oppressed by society like homosexuals are, so let's deal with the bigger issues first, eh? I'm not about to play 'who is worse off' but to say that homosexuals have a monopoly on negative treatment by society is ludicrous.
Good thing I didn't say that
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On August 14 2010 05:59 Chairman Ray wrote:
I think you, along with countless other people have clearly pointed out that some people dont like hearing the word 'rape'. That's not the issue at hand here. You have yet to prove why people have to make self-sacrifices for the greater good of another. Why must we do it mandatorily instead of voluntarily?
We (me?) are asking only that you do it voluntarily, or at least think about it before you say it. That notion seems to have been met with adamant and extreme resistance.
Are you retarded? That's a student newspaper article most likely published in the editorial section. It has an under-graduate class of around 1,100.
And I chose the student newspaper article on purpose because it illustrates my point exactly, that is what someone thinks when they are just a normal person who is unfamiliar with gaming culture.
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On August 14 2010 06:00 choboPEon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 05:59 DaCruise wrote:On August 14 2010 05:56 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:53 ShinyGerbil wrote:On August 14 2010 05:46 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:43 ShinyGerbil wrote:
No, I won't stop saying rape. I won't say "are you retarded" in front of my disabled friends, I won't say "that faggot dt dropped me" in front of my gay friends, I won't say "stupid nigger" in front of my black friends, and I won't say "damn i got jewed" in front of my jewish friends. And I probably won't say rape in front of you OP, because you are sensitive about it (regardless of whether you are a victim or not). But that gives me no reason to stop saying it in general. This is the ideal trade off. This is a surprisingly calm and articulate way to imply that, when your black friends aren't around, you use the word nigger regularly. Did I misinterpret that? Potentially. Regardless of how regularly I use the word, I try not to make people feel bad, but I also try not to go out of my way to hold things back. Balance. I'll give you credit for at least honest about your use of the words. Words in themselves are harmless. Its the way they are told, and the situation they are told in that matters. You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word nigger just because you want to. Sorry.
While I'm kinda half-half on this matter, I feel as that's what a lot of people DO do. How many black people call each other niggers in the manner it was used historically? Almost none.
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On August 14 2010 05:59 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 05:49 neohero9 wrote:On August 14 2010 05:43 Myles wrote:On August 14 2010 05:40 neohero9 wrote:On August 14 2010 05:37 Myles wrote:On August 14 2010 05:36 neohero9 wrote:On August 14 2010 05:34 Myles wrote:On August 14 2010 05:27 Cham wrote:On August 14 2010 05:22 Myles wrote:
Whatever happened to sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me?
I'm not saying that people shouldn't empathize and be considerate, but people in general seem way too quick to get offended by what other people say. I think you missed the point about offending people who have actually been raped. Yes, but why are they offended because of the word? Words are used all the time that convey meanings which are offensive to certain people. Are we picking and choosing which are acceptable and which are not? Is any offensive word out of bounds, or only certain ones? I get that rape is horrible thing, but so is murder and war. Should we stop saying I killed or destroyed someone? Well, if the dead were around to be offended by the word "killed", perhaps. But they're not. Many rape victims are. The dead people are around, but thier family is. This whole issue is a huge double standard on word use. No. I'm engaged to someone who has been raped. I'm not offended by the word 'rape' as she is, by orders of magnitude. More sensitive to it, yes, but I don't break down at its mention. The comparison is not fitting. The concepts of "kill" and "rape" are completely different, too. Read my post on pg3, and compare that to the concept of "kill". There are huge differences. The comparision is fitting, You're making an arbitrrary determination that the word rape is more offensive than other words because you have a personal stake in the matter. That's why its a double standard. You're missing my point. Even before I knew a girl who had been raped, I didn't use that word, because it's a dick thing to do. Your assumption about my personal stake is incorrect. The point I'm making is that the victim is still around to be affected by the word "rape", making it much worse than "kill", because the only person with an actual personal stake in the act of "killing" is DEAD. The families and friends of both types of victims can be offended, but their pain is much less than that of the victim. The difference, again, is that one is DEAD and the other is grossly scarred. I think you, along with countless other people have clearly pointed out that some people dont like hearing the word 'rape'. That's not the issue at hand here. You have yet to prove why people have to make self-sacrifices for the greater good of another. Why must we do it mandatorily instead of voluntarily?
I never said we should do it mandatorily. We'd be better people, and a better community, if we did it voluntarily, and that's the way it ought to be.
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I think the OP makes a good point, but to be fair I hadn't thought about this issue much (if at all) before it was brought up, so I've used the word 'rape' on occasion to describe winning in gaming scenarios. I'll probably be a more conscious of the language I use now. TBO, I don't think it's that much of an inconvenience to refrain from using the word 'rape' in gaming than most people realize...
"I/He/SC Unit raped _____ (Insert name/unit/what have you)" --> "He won (that battle) easily."
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On August 14 2010 06:01 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 05:36 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:32 Fontong wrote:
The amount I'm offended by the word 'rape' is zero. If this was about the words 'gay' or 'faggot', or any other derogatory term referring to homosexuality, I would be much more open.
Rape victims are not being oppressed by society like homosexuals are, so let's deal with the bigger issues first, eh? I'm not about to play 'who is worse off' but to say that homosexuals have a monopoly on negative treatment by society is ludicrous. Good thing I didn't say that
You did say that you can';t be bothered with rape victims because homosexuals have a much worse situation. Which is ridiculous.
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On August 14 2010 05:56 SpicyCrab wrote:This is how the outside world sees you. http://www.royalpurplenews.com/think-before-you-say-the-word-rape-1.1262486Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 05:55 KwarK wrote:
That is an example of hyperbole. The hellions are not actually raping zerglings in the ass. They are simply killing zerglings in a game. Anyone at all familiar with Starcraft will understand that that is hyperbole. And you do not believe that that use of the word has a direct relation to the actual real world act that is is... directly referring to?
It stems from the same source but it has nothing to do with an anal rape by hellions and any informed listener would know that. The meaning is completely unrelated.
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On August 14 2010 06:03 choboPEon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:01 Fontong wrote:On August 14 2010 05:36 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:32 Fontong wrote:
The amount I'm offended by the word 'rape' is zero. If this was about the words 'gay' or 'faggot', or any other derogatory term referring to homosexuality, I would be much more open.
Rape victims are not being oppressed by society like homosexuals are, so let's deal with the bigger issues first, eh? I'm not about to play 'who is worse off' but to say that homosexuals have a monopoly on negative treatment by society is ludicrous. Good thing I didn't say that You did say that you can';t be bothered with rape victims because homosexuals have a much worse situation. Which is ridiculous.
Not so much that he can't be bothered, but rather "there are bigger issues that need to be addressed first."
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I like using this phrase while I play my games:
"I'll rape your face."
Maybe it doesn't seem nice, but hey, I've gotten so used to saying that. I don't even notice some times.
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On August 14 2010 06:00 choboPEon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 05:59 DaCruise wrote:On August 14 2010 05:56 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:53 ShinyGerbil wrote:On August 14 2010 05:46 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:43 ShinyGerbil wrote:
No, I won't stop saying rape. I won't say "are you retarded" in front of my disabled friends, I won't say "that faggot dt dropped me" in front of my gay friends, I won't say "stupid nigger" in front of my black friends, and I won't say "damn i got jewed" in front of my jewish friends. And I probably won't say rape in front of you OP, because you are sensitive about it (regardless of whether you are a victim or not). But that gives me no reason to stop saying it in general. This is the ideal trade off. This is a surprisingly calm and articulate way to imply that, when your black friends aren't around, you use the word nigger regularly. Did I misinterpret that? Potentially. Regardless of how regularly I use the word, I try not to make people feel bad, but I also try not to go out of my way to hold things back. Balance. I'll give you credit for at least honest about your use of the words. Words in themselves are harmless. Its the way they are told, and the situation they are told in that matters. You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word nigger just because you want to. Sorry.
But thats actually what gamers did with "rape"!. took the word and gave it a new meaning.
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Holy crap I was wrong.
2 hrs 10 minutes.
User was warned for this post
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On August 14 2010 06:00 choboPEon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 05:59 DaCruise wrote:On August 14 2010 05:56 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:53 ShinyGerbil wrote:On August 14 2010 05:46 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:43 ShinyGerbil wrote:
No, I won't stop saying rape. I won't say "are you retarded" in front of my disabled friends, I won't say "that faggot dt dropped me" in front of my gay friends, I won't say "stupid nigger" in front of my black friends, and I won't say "damn i got jewed" in front of my jewish friends. And I probably won't say rape in front of you OP, because you are sensitive about it (regardless of whether you are a victim or not). But that gives me no reason to stop saying it in general. This is the ideal trade off. This is a surprisingly calm and articulate way to imply that, when your black friends aren't around, you use the word nigger regularly. Did I misinterpret that? Potentially. Regardless of how regularly I use the word, I try not to make people feel bad, but I also try not to go out of my way to hold things back. Balance. I'll give you credit for at least honest about your use of the words. Words in themselves are harmless. Its the way they are told, and the situation they are told in that matters. You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word nigger just because you want to. Sorry.
You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word rape just because you want to. Sorry.
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On August 14 2010 06:04 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:03 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 06:01 Fontong wrote:On August 14 2010 05:36 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:32 Fontong wrote:
The amount I'm offended by the word 'rape' is zero. If this was about the words 'gay' or 'faggot', or any other derogatory term referring to homosexuality, I would be much more open.
Rape victims are not being oppressed by society like homosexuals are, so let's deal with the bigger issues first, eh? I'm not about to play 'who is worse off' but to say that homosexuals have a monopoly on negative treatment by society is ludicrous. Good thing I didn't say that You did say that you can';t be bothered with rape victims because homosexuals have a much worse situation. Which is ridiculous. Not so much that he can't be bothered, but rather "there are bigger issues that need to be addressed first."
wait. what.
1) what other bigger issues
2) who has the say on the prioritisation of these issues
3) what kind of bubble do you live in where rape is not a ubiquitous issue that needs perennial addressing?
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On August 14 2010 06:06 FireBlast! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:04 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 14 2010 06:03 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 06:01 Fontong wrote:On August 14 2010 05:36 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:32 Fontong wrote:
The amount I'm offended by the word 'rape' is zero. If this was about the words 'gay' or 'faggot', or any other derogatory term referring to homosexuality, I would be much more open.
Rape victims are not being oppressed by society like homosexuals are, so let's deal with the bigger issues first, eh? I'm not about to play 'who is worse off' but to say that homosexuals have a monopoly on negative treatment by society is ludicrous. Good thing I didn't say that You did say that you can';t be bothered with rape victims because homosexuals have a much worse situation. Which is ridiculous. Not so much that he can't be bothered, but rather "there are bigger issues that need to be addressed first." wait. what. 1) what other bigger issues 2) who has the say on the prioritisation of these issues 3) what kind of bubble do you live in where rape is not a ubiquitous issue that needs perennial addressing?
I'm fairly sure he said that homophobic slurs being used was far more offensive than words that could offend rape victims. He didn't say rape wasn't an issue but rather that there is a huge amount of homophobic language casually used that makes this single issue of the word rape look rather minor.
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On August 14 2010 06:06 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:00 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:59 DaCruise wrote:On August 14 2010 05:56 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:53 ShinyGerbil wrote:On August 14 2010 05:46 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:43 ShinyGerbil wrote:
No, I won't stop saying rape. I won't say "are you retarded" in front of my disabled friends, I won't say "that faggot dt dropped me" in front of my gay friends, I won't say "stupid nigger" in front of my black friends, and I won't say "damn i got jewed" in front of my jewish friends. And I probably won't say rape in front of you OP, because you are sensitive about it (regardless of whether you are a victim or not). But that gives me no reason to stop saying it in general. This is the ideal trade off. This is a surprisingly calm and articulate way to imply that, when your black friends aren't around, you use the word nigger regularly. Did I misinterpret that? Potentially. Regardless of how regularly I use the word, I try not to make people feel bad, but I also try not to go out of my way to hold things back. Balance. I'll give you credit for at least honest about your use of the words. Words in themselves are harmless. Its the way they are told, and the situation they are told in that matters. You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word nigger just because you want to. Sorry. You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word rape just because you want to. Sorry.
Read this:
rape (v.) Look up rape at Dictionary.com
late 14c., "seize prey, take by force," from Anglo-Fr. raper "to seize, abduct," a legal term, probably from L. rapere "seize, carry off by force, abduct" (see rapid). Latin rapere was used for "sexual violation," but only very rarely; the usual Latin word being stuprum, lit. "disgrace." Sense of "sexual violation or ravishing of a woman" first recorded in English as a noun, late 15c. (the noun sense of "taking anything -- including a woman -- away by force" is from c.1400). The verb in this sense is from 1570s. Related: Raped; raping. Uncertain connection to Low Ger. and Du. rapen in the same sense. Rapist is from 1883.
So as you can see, rape means to take something by force.
[edit] Not always sexual, is my point.
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