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On July 08 2010 02:47 Archerofaiur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 02:45 See.Blue wrote:
Here at TL in our own rulebook we say that we value reputation, particularly as it is attached to a name. By requiring RealID, Blizz is just taking the same step. Do you see how TL manages to do it without, you know, compromising privacy and security?
No kidding.
Someone, please, tell me what's important about using real first/last name, that ANY OTHER KIND of unique identifier doesn't?
I'm Bibdy. You can google that and find out what I've been up to. I'm pretty much the only Bibdy out there. I'm not afraid that you might find out I've played UT, Tribes and WoW in the past...or be able to look up my post history and see what kind of person I am, online.
I am afraid of unknowingly getting in a heated debate with some complete whackjob who wants to hunt me down and the process of doing that is made easier by the simple fact that the Blizzard forums gives the guy my full name.
Tell me, why don't they just force me to pick a SINGLE character to post with, and even if I delete it, I'm stuck with that? I'll pick my Warlock, Bibdy. You'll still be able to go through my post history easily, I'll build this forum persona and reputation and people will decide if I'm a douchebag troll or someone who wants to contribute. Either way, I'm stuck with that persona unless I go buy another account.
How is that ANY different to using my real full name?
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On July 08 2010 02:52 Santriell wrote:
If they keep this policy up blizzardvision can SUCK. IT. UP.
Not only am I not going to buy the game but i'll get actively participative in the emulation of their half-assed Bnet2.
Other coders should do it too.
So your reasoning is that Blizzard should listen to you because you like to perpetuate illegal activities that destroy the value of their work, or would actively pursue and obtain these?
You sound like an incredibly valuable customer to me.
I dunno, I'm just sort of tired of people who say they should value your opinion because you'll "pirate it". That's really not accomplishing anything. It just says you're too cheap to pay for the game but you'll be happy to enjoy all the benefits. Not that you really have any problem with it.
If you REALLY had so many grievances against it, you would just not play it and go develop your own game with your community and show them how its done.
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On July 08 2010 02:35 EleanorRIgby wrote:
What if I'm required to post on their forum for an event or tournament or something, then i beat my opponent and it just so happens he lives in Ontario, he than can order whatever he wants to my house after i beat him and he nerd rages.
With canada411 you can get anyones number and address from just a first and last name
Your last name should always be protected online, optional if you want to display it or not.
How do people do this for events where you have to meet in real life? Real names are posted in a lot of tournaments and conventions that I've seen. We all know Day[9]'s real name and those of many many professional gamers... do you feel that this is the same risk that is taken? Would you refuse to give out your name at LANs, conventions, trade shows, etc.?
I'm genuinely interested in this argument, as it has a direct analogy in real life. I imagine tournament organizers will have private ways of contact instead of requiring you to post on the forums anyway, though.
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I see this as the best option to reduce the traffic on the bnet forums by 90%. Most people will just not post there anymore.
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On July 08 2010 02:56 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 02:49 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 02:47 Archerofaiur wrote:On July 08 2010 02:45 See.Blue wrote:
Here at TL in our own rulebook we say that we value reputation, particularly as it is attached to a name. By requiring RealID, Blizz is just taking the same step. Do you see how TL manages to do it without, you know, compromising privacy and security? That ignores the larger point I was making, namely that there's been groups and organizations in the real world, time out of mind, whose members have always been able to know the real names of other members, as thats how they communicate. Groups like this still exist, so it's not a huge jump to see that having strangers learn your real name can't be as apocalyptic as a lot of the posting on here would suggest. Except in real life, what you say isn't recorded and displayed for all eternity for anyone in the whole world to read.
But what exactly is so wrong with accountability?
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On July 08 2010 02:57 JulianSidewind wrote:
I'll post because i dont have facebook or any other social website affiliation, so i'm not a top hit on a google search of my name. if anyone googles me, theyll get nothing.
That's great for you, however it doesn't help the thousands of others who do and have unique enough names to suffer for posting and trying to contribute to a community, or the female members of the community who are sure to get a lot of flack.
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I made this post in the Blizzard forums, but thought I'd share it here as well:
Safety/Security is not the *primary* concern for RealID, functionality is.
If a car company is designing a new vehicle and there's a 1/10,000,000 chance the driver ignites in flames when the ignition is turned, it's a big issue, but not the primary one. Granted, if there are other cars to drive, very few -- if any -- would use the car, but the primary concern is always the car's functionality. If the car doesn't drive, no one, regardless of other alternatives, would get in it to turn the ignition in the first place.
Currently, Blizzard sees RealID as a solution to what they deem bad functionality; and while all the safety concerns people have brought up are accurate, they're all secondary to the bigger issue: will the change *improve* the forums for those willing to risk using the forums?
Not only is the answer "no," but it's actually a very obvious "no," and I'll explain.
I use a lot of forums, ranging from bodybuilding, to politics, to gaming; and in each one, I find something that I can rarely find in my real life: honesty. In real life discussions, most people seek to compromise at the earliest opportunity -- Person-A says Reagan was the best president and Person-B says FDR was...before you know it, they've both agreed that Hoover was pretty good. Ok, well what was accomplished? We still don't have good arguments for either's initial point. On an internet forum, however, people aren't so quick to compromise, which in turn generates great, educational debate.
The real life example is only amplified if the discussion is with a stranger -- as my father always told me: "Never discuss religion or politics with people you don't know." So simple, yet absolutely profound. The reason is simple: you never know how pissed off you'll make them, and in turn, what their response may be.
To bring my point full circle, let's apply this to Battle.net RealID. If a player creates a post stating: "Nerf Roaches! A Zerg player charged my base with 10 Roaches five minutes into the game and crushed my 10 marines!!"
Currently, I'd respond by explaining that 10 Roaches should beat five Marines because they're a bigger cost investment and greater tech. As a solution, I'd suggest making Marauders, more Marines or walling off. Under RealID (if I were insane enough to participate in the forums, which I'm not) I probably wouldn't respond at all. For all I know, the OP could respond with: Wall off? F$%^ Y&*! You're just a bias Zerg player!!" Then, he could Google my name and potentially track down my email in an effort to sign me up for gay porn and white power propaganda.
What needs to be understood is I have no idea who the guy is...he could have been sitting at his comp in latex, covered in ketchup. In real life, I never would have approached him to have a Roach discussion...I would have walked the other way.
There's going to be a huge chunk of players who no longer post on the forums, but there's also going to be another chunk of players who are willing to accept the extremely small chance of one day opening their door only to receive a machete to the face. In turn, they're going to expect a better forum experience; however, my fear is that what they'll find is an utterly worthless and dishonest online community. Anonymity is not a sidebar to this debate, it's the core reason for the sucess of internet forums to begin with. Without it, the entire community falls apart. I suspect that Blizzard is about to endure a very educational case study in what not to do.
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On July 08 2010 02:56 ghosthunter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 02:49 Vedic wrote:On July 08 2010 02:45 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 01:33 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 22:32 Tray wrote:
Based on the comments in here I've never been more convinced this is a great idea. If the retards on here who say they won't buy the game because they can't troll the official forums without their name being there are being honest (most of them aren't), then the forums will actually be a useful place to visit from time to time.
It's the same illogical retards that are arguing against their names being posted that are the ones ruining the forums. The two groups probably have nearly identical overlap. .... Are you trolling? At risk of sounding just contrary, I also think the RealID is a great thing. Here at TL in our own rulebook we say that we value reputation, particularly as it is attached to a name. By requiring RealID, Blizz is just taking the same step. As a lot of the Blues have made clear on the WoW forums, I think they understand exactly the impact the requirement will have and are completely OK with 75% of the forum posters not returning (and damn, can you blame them?). In videogames and on the internet as a whole, posters have always been able to hide behind the veil of anonymity- in what other type of community or group would you submit a completely bogus name and expect this to be legitimate? For example, I personally belong to the ADK 46'ers organization. If any other member in the community had a problem with me, they'd have access to any of my personal information, including name, address, phone number etc. So far I've never had any problem, and by and large, people who belong to the billions of other offline groups and organizations haven't either. This idea that anonymity is a right is limited solely to the internet, and honestly, I don't think there's a single poster on here who would argue the fact that this anonymity is the driving force behind the internet's culture. Seeing this barrier begin to fall is a great step in my eyes. They're not just leaving the forums, they're quitting the game (and many are also going to cancel their SC2 preorder). The account cancellation service for WoW was lagged to hell for 5 hours straight. No change in the history of WoW has ever been met with this much resistance. This really isn't evidence of anything, however, as yesterday was also a maintenance day anyway. Their entire servers tend to be hosted in the same place, so on maintenance day when trolling increases to unprecedented levels, the whole website lags. It's been the case every single maintenance Tuesday. And every time, people claim "OMG PEOPLE ARE FLOCKING TO QUIT!" Because you know. You clearly have these numbers and aren't just wildly speculating without actual facts.
This wasn't on Tuesday - it was very early morning today. Obviously you haven't been reading any major sites like digg/reddit, the posts here, or more importantly, the actual WoW site itself.
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On July 08 2010 02:58 ghosthunter wrote:
So your reasoning is that Blizzard should listen to you because you like to perpetuate illegal activities that destroy the value of their work, or would actively pursue and obtain these?
My reasoning is that I already HAVE a criminal record (public mind you) and I absolutely DO NOT WANT every random retard on internet to be able to associate ingame name with the latter.
If keeping my privacy means defrauding them, so be it. I'm not in any way shape or form am going to PAY a company, and allow every other idiot, to SPY on me.
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On July 08 2010 03:02 Vedic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 02:56 ghosthunter wrote:On July 08 2010 02:49 Vedic wrote:On July 08 2010 02:45 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 01:33 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 22:32 Tray wrote:
Based on the comments in here I've never been more convinced this is a great idea. If the retards on here who say they won't buy the game because they can't troll the official forums without their name being there are being honest (most of them aren't), then the forums will actually be a useful place to visit from time to time.
It's the same illogical retards that are arguing against their names being posted that are the ones ruining the forums. The two groups probably have nearly identical overlap. .... Are you trolling? At risk of sounding just contrary, I also think the RealID is a great thing. Here at TL in our own rulebook we say that we value reputation, particularly as it is attached to a name. By requiring RealID, Blizz is just taking the same step. As a lot of the Blues have made clear on the WoW forums, I think they understand exactly the impact the requirement will have and are completely OK with 75% of the forum posters not returning (and damn, can you blame them?). In videogames and on the internet as a whole, posters have always been able to hide behind the veil of anonymity- in what other type of community or group would you submit a completely bogus name and expect this to be legitimate? For example, I personally belong to the ADK 46'ers organization. If any other member in the community had a problem with me, they'd have access to any of my personal information, including name, address, phone number etc. So far I've never had any problem, and by and large, people who belong to the billions of other offline groups and organizations haven't either. This idea that anonymity is a right is limited solely to the internet, and honestly, I don't think there's a single poster on here who would argue the fact that this anonymity is the driving force behind the internet's culture. Seeing this barrier begin to fall is a great step in my eyes. They're not just leaving the forums, they're quitting the game (and many are also going to cancel their SC2 preorder). The account cancellation service for WoW was lagged to hell for 5 hours straight. No change in the history of WoW has ever been met with this much resistance. This really isn't evidence of anything, however, as yesterday was also a maintenance day anyway. Their entire servers tend to be hosted in the same place, so on maintenance day when trolling increases to unprecedented levels, the whole website lags. It's been the case every single maintenance Tuesday. And every time, people claim "OMG PEOPLE ARE FLOCKING TO QUIT!" Because you know. You clearly have these numbers and aren't just wildly speculating without actual facts. This wasn't on Tuesday - it was very early morning today. Obviously you haven't been reading any major sites like digg/reddit, the posts here, or more importantly, the actual WoW site itself.
I've actually read every post in this thread because I'm fairly interested in this discussion. Thank you for presuming something without evidence again though. It's pretty classy and very intelligent and makes me respect you as an individual 
And I've been a WoW player since day 1 release, thus I've gotten to see the forum crash and burn, everyone crying about invasion of privacy due to armory release and how there will be mass exodus, and everything else.
Once again, the WoW Forum community represents such a small percent of the customer base, that even if any of them actually followed through with what they said, which they wont' because they wouldn't be able to troll anymore and heaven forbid they lose that outlet (OH WAIT! Maybe this change will change that...).
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GodIsNotHere The only solution with normal people would be just to aviod posting anywhere that shows your full name, and aviod being in the phonebook/ and not making a Facebook account or myspace....Think in terms of a preditor
Hasn't anyone learned from the movie "Terminator"? i mean this jackass only had access to your Full name and a Phone book....Immagine if he had access to your Picture with it, yes that would involve less people getting killed with the same name as you...but you might not make it to your Part time job at the denny's to see other people with your name getting killed haha
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On July 08 2010 02:58 See.Blue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 02:56 Orome wrote:On July 08 2010 02:49 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 02:47 Archerofaiur wrote:On July 08 2010 02:45 See.Blue wrote:
Here at TL in our own rulebook we say that we value reputation, particularly as it is attached to a name. By requiring RealID, Blizz is just taking the same step. Do you see how TL manages to do it without, you know, compromising privacy and security? That ignores the larger point I was making, namely that there's been groups and organizations in the real world, time out of mind, whose members have always been able to know the real names of other members, as thats how they communicate. Groups like this still exist, so it's not a huge jump to see that having strangers learn your real name can't be as apocalyptic as a lot of the posting on here would suggest. Except in real life, what you say isn't recorded and displayed for all eternity for anyone in the whole world to read. But what exactly is so wrong with accountability?
"Accountability" is not that straightforward when involved with something so easily misinterpreted as written word on the internet.
It's one thing to be accountable for things you actually said. It's another story when people take quotes out of context, can't see sarcastic tone as it's not expressed well in written form, or just plain misunderstand you.
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On July 08 2010 02:54 ghosthunter wrote:
One common thread I keep seeing is pretty awesome.
"I never post on the forums anyway. But this change kills me!"
I see a lot of people talking about how the Blizzard forums are trash and they never use them, which is honestly incredibly true, because people troll and insult all day long. Then I see them saying how this is "ruining the spirit of the blizzard forums".
Honestly, you're acting like they just made it so they're going to make your "Real Name" appear for everything you do ever, as opposed to say, only if you choose to post on forums, which are optional, and none of you seem to like in the first place. BUT YOU STILL HAVE INCREDIBLY VALID OPINIONS ABOUT STUFF YOU DON'T USE!
Eh, I guess it's a self-selecting bias. This is a forum community, therefore they probably care needlessly and hyperly about forums that they supposedly don't use. At the end of the day, all the people who scream how this will be the end of Blizzard and their evil ways should really realize the simple fact.
That an incredibly small amount of people (relative to user base) use the forum in the first place and its not as if its central to gameplay mechanics or game experience. There are alternatives to everything you guys say, which you also tend to highlight in your posts, but then you also highlight why the existence of alternatives is not a valid reason because you need somewhere to troll and cry.
But hey, if screaming makes you feel important, I guess that's ok. It is what two year olds do after all.
Being incredibly close minded and not actually reading what people say is also "what two year olds do."
I'll post this AGAIN. Because it addresses one of the things that people who don't like the change AND don't post on the forums are worried about.
"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
It's putting a massive wedge in between Blizzard and their users, while also posing considerable security risks. That is why people don't like it.
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On July 08 2010 03:04 Santriell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 02:58 ghosthunter wrote:
So your reasoning is that Blizzard should listen to you because you like to perpetuate illegal activities that destroy the value of their work, or would actively pursue and obtain these?
My reasoning is that I already HAVE a criminal record (public mind you) and I absolutely DO NOT WANT every random retard on internet to be able to associate ingame name with the latter. If keeping my privacy means defrauding them, so be it. I'm not in any way shape or form am going to PAY a company, and allow every other idiot, to SPY on me.
Because this forum change forces you to reveal your name to everyone? Or you could obligate not to post and do other forums and things, since I'm relatively sure you think the forums are trash too?
Blizzard's not forcing you to do anything in this instance. Pirating the game because of game forums is a lame excuse, because it doesn't make sense. If you've got a problem with the forums, then create your own forums or participate in another one that already exists.
See the irony in that? It's that you already are.
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On July 08 2010 03:05 ghosthunter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 03:02 Vedic wrote:On July 08 2010 02:56 ghosthunter wrote:On July 08 2010 02:49 Vedic wrote:On July 08 2010 02:45 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 01:33 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 22:32 Tray wrote:
Based on the comments in here I've never been more convinced this is a great idea. If the retards on here who say they won't buy the game because they can't troll the official forums without their name being there are being honest (most of them aren't), then the forums will actually be a useful place to visit from time to time.
It's the same illogical retards that are arguing against their names being posted that are the ones ruining the forums. The two groups probably have nearly identical overlap. .... Are you trolling? At risk of sounding just contrary, I also think the RealID is a great thing. Here at TL in our own rulebook we say that we value reputation, particularly as it is attached to a name. By requiring RealID, Blizz is just taking the same step. As a lot of the Blues have made clear on the WoW forums, I think they understand exactly the impact the requirement will have and are completely OK with 75% of the forum posters not returning (and damn, can you blame them?). In videogames and on the internet as a whole, posters have always been able to hide behind the veil of anonymity- in what other type of community or group would you submit a completely bogus name and expect this to be legitimate? For example, I personally belong to the ADK 46'ers organization. If any other member in the community had a problem with me, they'd have access to any of my personal information, including name, address, phone number etc. So far I've never had any problem, and by and large, people who belong to the billions of other offline groups and organizations haven't either. This idea that anonymity is a right is limited solely to the internet, and honestly, I don't think there's a single poster on here who would argue the fact that this anonymity is the driving force behind the internet's culture. Seeing this barrier begin to fall is a great step in my eyes. They're not just leaving the forums, they're quitting the game (and many are also going to cancel their SC2 preorder). The account cancellation service for WoW was lagged to hell for 5 hours straight. No change in the history of WoW has ever been met with this much resistance. This really isn't evidence of anything, however, as yesterday was also a maintenance day anyway. Their entire servers tend to be hosted in the same place, so on maintenance day when trolling increases to unprecedented levels, the whole website lags. It's been the case every single maintenance Tuesday. And every time, people claim "OMG PEOPLE ARE FLOCKING TO QUIT!" Because you know. You clearly have these numbers and aren't just wildly speculating without actual facts. This wasn't on Tuesday - it was very early morning today. Obviously you haven't been reading any major sites like digg/reddit, the posts here, or more importantly, the actual WoW site itself. I've actually read every post in this thread because I'm fairly interested in this discussion. Thank you for presuming something without evidence again though. It's pretty classy and very intelligent and makes me respect you as an individual And I've been a WoW player since day 1 release, thus I've gotten to see the forum crash and burn, everyone crying about invasion of privacy due to armory release and how there will be mass exodus, and everything else. Once again, the WoW Forum community represents such a small percent of the customer base, that even if any of them actually followed through with what they said, which they wont' because they wouldn't be able to troll anymore and heaven forbid they lose that outlet (OH WAIT! Maybe this change will change that...).
I agree. Haven't people ever joined a gym or something like that? You give them your real name. You give them your address. You interact with plenty of people (or only a few if thats your thing), but during all of it, people have all the same information that anyone on the forums would be able to get. Having the same accountability when participating in an online community versus an offline community shouldn't be a problem for anyone.
On July 08 2010 03:06 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 02:58 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 02:56 Orome wrote:On July 08 2010 02:49 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 02:47 Archerofaiur wrote:On July 08 2010 02:45 See.Blue wrote:
Here at TL in our own rulebook we say that we value reputation, particularly as it is attached to a name. By requiring RealID, Blizz is just taking the same step. Do you see how TL manages to do it without, you know, compromising privacy and security? That ignores the larger point I was making, namely that there's been groups and organizations in the real world, time out of mind, whose members have always been able to know the real names of other members, as thats how they communicate. Groups like this still exist, so it's not a huge jump to see that having strangers learn your real name can't be as apocalyptic as a lot of the posting on here would suggest. Except in real life, what you say isn't recorded and displayed for all eternity for anyone in the whole world to read. But what exactly is so wrong with accountability? "Accountability" is not that straightforward when involved with something so easily misinterpreted as written word on the internet. It's one thing to be accountable for things you actually said. It's another story when people take quotes out of context, can't see sarcastic tone as it's not expressed well in written form, or just plain misunderstand you.
But this is no different then real life when people can twist what you say. If it acts as impetus for people to put more thought into what they're saying, then it's really hard to argue against.
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On July 08 2010 03:09 See.Blue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 03:05 ghosthunter wrote:On July 08 2010 03:02 Vedic wrote:On July 08 2010 02:56 ghosthunter wrote:On July 08 2010 02:49 Vedic wrote:On July 08 2010 02:45 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 01:33 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 22:32 Tray wrote:
Based on the comments in here I've never been more convinced this is a great idea. If the retards on here who say they won't buy the game because they can't troll the official forums without their name being there are being honest (most of them aren't), then the forums will actually be a useful place to visit from time to time.
It's the same illogical retards that are arguing against their names being posted that are the ones ruining the forums. The two groups probably have nearly identical overlap. .... Are you trolling? At risk of sounding just contrary, I also think the RealID is a great thing. Here at TL in our own rulebook we say that we value reputation, particularly as it is attached to a name. By requiring RealID, Blizz is just taking the same step. As a lot of the Blues have made clear on the WoW forums, I think they understand exactly the impact the requirement will have and are completely OK with 75% of the forum posters not returning (and damn, can you blame them?). In videogames and on the internet as a whole, posters have always been able to hide behind the veil of anonymity- in what other type of community or group would you submit a completely bogus name and expect this to be legitimate? For example, I personally belong to the ADK 46'ers organization. If any other member in the community had a problem with me, they'd have access to any of my personal information, including name, address, phone number etc. So far I've never had any problem, and by and large, people who belong to the billions of other offline groups and organizations haven't either. This idea that anonymity is a right is limited solely to the internet, and honestly, I don't think there's a single poster on here who would argue the fact that this anonymity is the driving force behind the internet's culture. Seeing this barrier begin to fall is a great step in my eyes. They're not just leaving the forums, they're quitting the game (and many are also going to cancel their SC2 preorder). The account cancellation service for WoW was lagged to hell for 5 hours straight. No change in the history of WoW has ever been met with this much resistance. This really isn't evidence of anything, however, as yesterday was also a maintenance day anyway. Their entire servers tend to be hosted in the same place, so on maintenance day when trolling increases to unprecedented levels, the whole website lags. It's been the case every single maintenance Tuesday. And every time, people claim "OMG PEOPLE ARE FLOCKING TO QUIT!" Because you know. You clearly have these numbers and aren't just wildly speculating without actual facts. This wasn't on Tuesday - it was very early morning today. Obviously you haven't been reading any major sites like digg/reddit, the posts here, or more importantly, the actual WoW site itself. I've actually read every post in this thread because I'm fairly interested in this discussion. Thank you for presuming something without evidence again though. It's pretty classy and very intelligent and makes me respect you as an individual And I've been a WoW player since day 1 release, thus I've gotten to see the forum crash and burn, everyone crying about invasion of privacy due to armory release and how there will be mass exodus, and everything else. Once again, the WoW Forum community represents such a small percent of the customer base, that even if any of them actually followed through with what they said, which they wont' because they wouldn't be able to troll anymore and heaven forbid they lose that outlet (OH WAIT! Maybe this change will change that...). I agree. Haven't people ever joined a gym or something like that? You give them your real name. You give them your address. You interact with plenty of people (or only a few if thats your thing), but during all of it, people have all the same information that anyone on the forums would be able to get. Having the same accountability when participating in an online community versus an offline community shouldn't be a problem for anyone.
Ahh, no. You may give the gym your name, ect, but not everyone in the gym. You can choose to give them your name, a fake name, or no name at all.
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On July 08 2010 03:07 ghosthunter wrote:
Because this forum change forces you to reveal your name to everyone? Or you could obligate not to post and do other forums and things, since I'm relatively sure you think the forums are trash too?
It does if you ever HAVE to go to them for tournaments or whatever random shtick blizzvision is up to.
Blizzard's not forcing you to do anything in this instance. Pirating the game because of game forums is a lame excuse, because it doesn't make sense. If you've got a problem with the forums, then create your own forums or participate in another one that already exists.
See the irony in that? It's that you already are.
Fanboy. Look up gregarism while you're on your way to distribute yellow stars with the happy people at blizz'
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I love how this RealID change gives people the sudden urge to act all self-righteous. What would this thread say if Blizz had instead said they're deleting the B.net forums all together because they're useless? It would instead be filled with "lolz who cares about those forums anyway, buncha baddies," but instead because they're trying to improve quality, everyone is out to do the right thing and show the world how important privacy is? pfft.
Also this rampant paranoia that someone *gasp* on the Internet is going to come hunt me down because I said mean things to them on a forum is so cute. How important do you think you are? Seriously, how many whackjobs do you think are out there who are sitting at home thinking "damnit, if only I knew where this random forum dude lived, I'd be able to go stab him in the face!" There are plenty of methods of internet crazies tracking down people and they don't happen all that often, so for one reason or another, I don't really think posting on the B.net forums under your real name is going to suddenly endanger your well being.
Oh and if you're really so worried and offended, just do what 99% of you were doing before this announcement: don't post on the battle.net forums! So that way after this awful change everyone should be mad about, we'll all go on with our lives exactly like they were before.
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On July 08 2010 03:05 ghosthunter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 03:02 Vedic wrote:On July 08 2010 02:56 ghosthunter wrote:On July 08 2010 02:49 Vedic wrote:On July 08 2010 02:45 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 01:33 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 22:32 Tray wrote:
Based on the comments in here I've never been more convinced this is a great idea. If the retards on here who say they won't buy the game because they can't troll the official forums without their name being there are being honest (most of them aren't), then the forums will actually be a useful place to visit from time to time.
It's the same illogical retards that are arguing against their names being posted that are the ones ruining the forums. The two groups probably have nearly identical overlap. .... Are you trolling? At risk of sounding just contrary, I also think the RealID is a great thing. Here at TL in our own rulebook we say that we value reputation, particularly as it is attached to a name. By requiring RealID, Blizz is just taking the same step. As a lot of the Blues have made clear on the WoW forums, I think they understand exactly the impact the requirement will have and are completely OK with 75% of the forum posters not returning (and damn, can you blame them?). In videogames and on the internet as a whole, posters have always been able to hide behind the veil of anonymity- in what other type of community or group would you submit a completely bogus name and expect this to be legitimate? For example, I personally belong to the ADK 46'ers organization. If any other member in the community had a problem with me, they'd have access to any of my personal information, including name, address, phone number etc. So far I've never had any problem, and by and large, people who belong to the billions of other offline groups and organizations haven't either. This idea that anonymity is a right is limited solely to the internet, and honestly, I don't think there's a single poster on here who would argue the fact that this anonymity is the driving force behind the internet's culture. Seeing this barrier begin to fall is a great step in my eyes. They're not just leaving the forums, they're quitting the game (and many are also going to cancel their SC2 preorder). The account cancellation service for WoW was lagged to hell for 5 hours straight. No change in the history of WoW has ever been met with this much resistance. This really isn't evidence of anything, however, as yesterday was also a maintenance day anyway. Their entire servers tend to be hosted in the same place, so on maintenance day when trolling increases to unprecedented levels, the whole website lags. It's been the case every single maintenance Tuesday. And every time, people claim "OMG PEOPLE ARE FLOCKING TO QUIT!" Because you know. You clearly have these numbers and aren't just wildly speculating without actual facts. This wasn't on Tuesday - it was very early morning today. Obviously you haven't been reading any major sites like digg/reddit, the posts here, or more importantly, the actual WoW site itself. I've actually read every post in this thread because I'm fairly interested in this discussion. Thank you for presuming something without evidence again though. It's pretty classy and very intelligent and makes me respect you as an individual And I've been a WoW player since day 1 release, thus I've gotten to see the forum crash and burn, everyone crying about invasion of privacy due to armory release and how there will be mass exodus, and everything else. Once again, the WoW Forum community represents such a small percent of the customer base, that even if any of them actually followed through with what they said, which they wont' because they wouldn't be able to troll anymore and heaven forbid they lose that outlet (OH WAIT! Maybe this change will change that...).
I have to presume when you make comments that are completely contrary to how things are really going. You seem to think that this will stop trolling without any evidence. In fact, the only evidence thus far (and damning evidence, at that) shows that real-life trolling in this way is easy, and effective. The potential for much worse is there - dangerously worse, even. It's not a matter of "if", but a matter of "when".
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Why does accountability require your full name?
Why can't they just use any personalized unique identifier for your forum persona?
Seriously, this is just a damn online video game forum. Why is it so important that it needs to plaster something like your full name around in order to create that accountability? You would achieve the exact same effect of accountability by forcing people to post with a single identifier on the account. Whether its real or not, its still locked to that account and you can't change it without buying another one. Exact same effect as buying another account to generate a fake full name, only this time you did it to be a troll. Not to protect your identity.
One cannot fathom why they chose real name over any kind of unique identifier. They HAVE to know its important to a lot of people. They can't be THAT stupid.
Does anyone honestly think that it makes a difference to the CONTENT of your posts if you were forced to post everywhere on the internet with your current forumID on this site, than with your full name?
I'm willing to bet the content won't change. It only becomes a decision based on the desire to post at all.
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