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ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
July 07 2010 16:37 GMT
#1821
Also the battle.net topic regarding real-ID is pretty epic - 23 000 posts in 24 hours, that's madness!
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
danieldrsa
Profile Joined June 2008
Brazil523 Posts
July 07 2010 16:37 GMT
#1822
i dont care to show my real name
Hell, here on TL i use it (yes im called daniel)

I personally support anything i say, and put my name with it. Thats it, my opinion
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f0rk
Profile Joined March 2010
England172 Posts
July 07 2010 16:38 GMT
#1823
Official forums for any online game are always terrible because it attracts people ignorant of wider internet communities, and the game pushes you towards them. This might get rid of trolls (which isn't a worthwhile gain considering the price) but just because everyone's posting 'constructively' doesn't mean they are posting worthwhile information.
Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 16:47:35
July 07 2010 16:38 GMT
#1824
On July 08 2010 01:09 Pandonetho wrote:
Show nested quote +
Who are Blizzard to start handing out something very important to a lot of people, just to fix a fucking problem with their stupid forums? How would you feel if Verizon started handing out your full name to anyone on the street just to clean out their databases instead of hiring a few guys to clean it up?


Let's get this straight. Blizzard isn't handing out your name to anyone. You agree to use the name yourself if you post it on the forums. It will be displayed publicly. That is different from Blizzard handing out your name to other people.

Show nested quote +
You don't fix this problem by going around trying to convince people that their full name being broadcast on the internet isn't a problem. You CERTAINLY don't fix a trivial problem with your forums with a sledgehammer approach like this. Its unethical. What guarantee does Blizzard give that some psycho-rapist murderer crazy bastard isn't going to hunt down and kill you using that information as a starting point? It might not happen to you, but the day it happens to somebody I'll bet you'll feel like an asshole.


You do know how ridiculously easy it is for any dedicated person to look you up anyway right? Knowing your first name will be a great starting point, but any person dedicated to harassing you will find your information regardless. Certainly, I'm not paranoid enough to believe that out of the thousands of people that could be posting on the forums, that I would be singled out to be harassed. And for what? Why would a random stranger harass me out of everyone else? It's not like I even talked to him, and if I did, then he would equally be revealing his name to the world.


Show nested quote +
ADD PRIVACY PROTECTION FOR ONLY AN EXTRA $2.99 A MONTH. I'm joking obviously, but ask yourself if it is really outside the realm of possibility before you guffaw.

It should be plainly obvious that the lesson in the expression I used, is not about the Jews. It's not a metaphor.


Why would you pay for privacy? You do know that's illegal right, if Blizzard is blackmailing you? So yes, it is exactly outside the realm of possibility that to protect your privacy, you have to pay Blizzard.

Secondly, I would like it if you explained your expression in layman terms because I don't get what you mean still, if what I talked about didn't address the problem. No, it's not plainly obvious to me, and if you continue to beat around the bush I won't bother replying because it's obvious that you have no intention of a civil discussion and like to troll around.

From what I understand every example used in your expression had something to do with forces that were outside the realm of the subject's control. That is, the Germans went for the Jews yes? And the jews couldn't do a thing about it. My point is that does not apply here. Blizzard will not "come for you".


You kind of missed the point and you're proving mine. YOU as an individual aren't concerned. Are you everyone? How selfish is it to think that just because you don't have a problem with it, nobody else should? You can't prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to everyone who wants to contribute to the forums, that their name being plastered on there isn't going to bite them on the ass eventually, so why even bother saying pointless things like "You do know how ridiculously easy it is for any dedicated person to look you up anyway right?". Care to prove it? Use my online handle right here and come find me. Can't prove it? Then don't spout such nonsense.

How are you going to feel about the whole system when something bad DOES happen to some poor sap who, just like you, didn't think anything bad would come from it? Maybe he got himself into a heated debate on the forums and didn't know the guy on the other end of the argument was a total whackjob and through knowing your full name, thanks to the Blizzard forums, was more easily able to find you. What if they hadn't put your full name up there? Would it have made a difference? You can't prove it either way except to say that the more information they're given the EASIER it gets. Why make it easier for psychos just because you have a stupid problem with your stupid, inconsequential forums?. The method used to fix such an inane problem boggles my mind. Its a total sledgehammer approach. Are the Blizzard forums really that frigging important to warrant such a breach of personal information? To me, fuck no. So, now I can't contribute to discussions about the game, which the devs read, because they couldn't be arsed to hire some guys to moderate their stupid forums? What a load of horseshit.

And if people start behaving in a way to be all lovey dovey to each other on the grounds that they're too terrifed of nutjobs on the internet coming after them then that's just going to stifle the debate, not add to it.

Just because you knowingly put your name on the internet and nothing bad happens to YOU, and you agree to a terms and conditions usage of the forums (seriously? you read that stuff?) doesn't mean its foolproof or is a good idea.




If you want to answer just one question in that clusterfuck (I know you aren't going to read all of it thoroughly), answer this one:

Why do they need to use your full name, when they could get the exact same effect by forcing you to pick a single character to post with?

What difference does using your full name make compared to that? If you want to pick a level 1 alt and troll the place, fine. You're stuck with that level 1 alt name, even if you delete it, and everyone knows that poster, with that name, is a douchebag.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
July 07 2010 16:41 GMT
#1825
On July 08 2010 01:37 danieldrsa wrote:
i dont care to show my real name
Hell, here on TL i use it (yes im called daniel)

I personally support anything i say, and put my name with it. Thats it, my opinion


While you might support it with your honour and reputation, its different from giving your full name so that some nut who is really pissed at you for something you said goes after you and trolls your facebook and/or e-mail, just look at what happened to Bashiok, this is the main reason to keep your real life identity and your on-line identity separate, so that an angry nut *can't* take it to a more personal level.
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Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
July 07 2010 16:41 GMT
#1826
On July 08 2010 01:22 Tray wrote:
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On July 08 2010 01:17 GMarshal wrote:
Yes, because bringing up perfectly legitimate concerns is "scare mongering", and saying that you care about the community but don't care if people have to stop posting because of the inherent risks isn't hypocritical either.

The main issue here is that the next step is to make you use your name in game, and "if you don't like it, you don't have to play" the same way that if you don't like having your names on the forums you don't have to post


Slippery slope fallacy. Your arguent is invalid. Nice attempt at scare mongering though.


Straw man fallacy. Some people are scare-mongering. Others have legitimate and reasoned fears about what this means for their personal privacy and for the future of the Internet. These fears are not "sky-is-falling" nonsense, but honest worries about a system that will seem to open a Pandora's Box of potential changes/abuses.

I'd like to post on the Blizzard forums. I personally will not post there by my full name. I will push them as hard as I can to reconsider this move on not only my behalf but the behalfs of those who will post there.

At the same time, if anyone here wanted to PM me and ask for my name, I would probably let you know it. Why? Because I'm not ashamed of my name or giving my name to people I associate with. I'm worried about what happens when my name becomes the unique key that unlocks tons of personal data about me through a simple google search.

It's already a problem, but this makes it even more of one.
Gee gee gee gee baby baby baby
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 16:58:43
July 07 2010 16:56 GMT
#1827
On July 08 2010 01:37 danieldrsa wrote:
i dont care to show my real name
Hell, here on TL i use it (yes im called daniel)

I personally support anything i say, and put my name with it. Thats it, my opinion

That's all great and fine. That's your decision, but other people shouldn't need to decide between that and not posting at all.

At the same time, if anyone here wanted to PM me and ask for my name, I would probably let you know it. Why? Because I'm not ashamed of my name or giving my name to people I associate with.

The thing is though, when you say you are fine with giving name in PM, you also know _who_ has your name, even if it is just by nickname. Posting will give everyone with internet connection the link between your gaming and your RL.
Obsidian
Profile Joined June 2010
United States350 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 17:09:59
July 07 2010 17:09 GMT
#1828
Like I said, there was almost nothing that stopped people from opting to use their real names if they wanted...

That next to nobody does, is reason enough not to change it now. We understood the risk involved back then, and if anything, the threat is only greater now than it was before.
Luke, you are still a wanker!
Serotonin
Profile Joined July 2010
United States5 Posts
July 07 2010 17:10 GMT
#1829
( Pasted from Battlenet forums, I wonder if they will change it if we get 10k or 50k complaints in )

File a complaint to the ESRB and get Blizzard to lose its certification.

https://www.esrb.org/privacy/contact.jsp

Type the following message or create your own:


"

ActivisionBlizzard has abstained from protecting the privacy of their customers with their new planned forum policy changes for their MMO World of Warcraft and an upcoming release of StarCraft2.

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25626109041

Forcing people to display an unreasonable amount of information to the public to partake in product discussion, feedback, or support is heinous at best.

I hope that some manner of recourse exists for customers at some date and their status as “ESRB Privacy Certified” is reevaluated.
"We are ready for an unforeseen event that may or may not occur." - Al Gore, VP
zizou21
Profile Joined September 2006
United States3683 Posts
July 07 2010 17:11 GMT
#1830
who uses bnet forums? LOL
you know blizzard is smart enough to come here for real advice :p
its me, tasteless,s roomate LOL!
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
July 07 2010 17:15 GMT
#1831
There is a (currently unconfirmed) report from a wow poster

After a long talk with a few Blizzard phone reps, it turns out BLUES will NOT have their real names posted in the forums due to "Security Concerns." Blues are free to hide from the nightmare RealID will turn these forums into, and yet we, the paying customers, will be forced into it?


Can someon call Blizzard and verify/discredit?
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
Obsidian
Profile Joined June 2010
United States350 Posts
July 07 2010 17:17 GMT
#1832
Lol, that would be funny...

I'd fully expect it too.

Maybe this is all a ploy towards micro-transactions, give us money to hide your name or change it to whatever call-sign you prefer.
Luke, you are still a wanker!
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
July 07 2010 17:17 GMT
#1833
On July 08 2010 02:15 Archerofaiur wrote:
There is a (currently unconfirmed) report from a wow poster

Show nested quote +
After a long talk with a few Blizzard phone reps, it turns out BLUES will NOT have their real names posted in the forums due to "Security Concerns." Blues are free to hide from the nightmare RealID will turn these forums into, and yet we, the paying customers, will be forced into it?


Can someon call Blizzard and verify/discredit?


I would laugh so hard...
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
July 07 2010 17:19 GMT
#1834
Well... on the bright side, teamliquid has already been exploding in popularity, I'm betting this will draw a lot more posters.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
ironchef
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Canada1350 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 17:21:49
July 07 2010 17:21 GMT
#1835
I dont get this at all. Its so obviously not gonna be well-received, why are they so insistent on this stuff.. must be some very big gain for them down the line.

Also lol@ thinking this can fix battle.net post quality. Gotta take a second to laugh at this... + Show Spoiler +
hahahahahhahahaha BATTLE.NET FORUMS... Post... QUALITY HAHAH
Restricting your posting to a unique battlenet account identifier is enough. . Not like people who are going to troll would put their real name anyway...
“Because your own strength is unequal to the task, do not assume that it is beyond the powers of man; but if anything is within the powers and province of man, believe that it is within your own compass also.” - Marcus Aurelius
Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
July 07 2010 17:24 GMT
#1836
On July 08 2010 02:11 zizou21 wrote:
who uses bnet forums? LOL
you know blizzard is smart enough to come here for real advice :p


Obviously not. Have you been asleep for the last year? If they were smart enough, we'd have lan play and chat channels. Blizzard does not have a target audience.
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
July 07 2010 17:25 GMT
#1837
I don't see why this is such a huge deal. As far as I can tell, no one ever used the forums for anything except bug reporting and tech support anyways. The amount of flaming / idiocy / trolling on there was so incredibly out of hand that reading the forums was only useful for entertainment value. (Reading Blue posts is useful, of course, but it's best to do that through a Blue tracker rather than looking at the actual forums, for above reasons.)

If this change completely kills the forums, we will have lost almost nothing. If it works as Blizzard intends and dramatically reduces the posting to only include the people who are willing to attach their name to what they say (meaning they're posting worthwhile stuff) then maybe the forums will actually have some decent content for a change.
. . . nevermore
Ramsing
Profile Joined July 2007
Canada233 Posts
July 07 2010 17:29 GMT
#1838
As a man I can see a whole host of issues with this policy and how I do not like it. Having read the first page of the blizzard thread though, I realized I had completely forgot what this might mean for a female gamer: in short, absolute disaster. I don't think I have to elaborate on this point, but I'll briefly note that woman are not treated in the same manner over the internet as man are, especially in video games, and this is something that I think would have a very negative effect for female gamers.
Disastorm
Profile Joined January 2008
United States922 Posts
July 07 2010 17:31 GMT
#1839
wow so many posts lol. I wonder if people would be this outraged if blizzard had just announced that they were closing the official forums. I bet people wouldn't mind as much... even though this kind of announcement is basically the same thing
"Don't worry so much man. There won't be any more zergs left to QQ. Lots of QQ about TvT is incoming though I bet." - Vrok 9/21/10
Bluestar-
Profile Joined June 2010
13 Posts
July 07 2010 17:33 GMT
#1840
Not sure whether this was posted here or not, but according to Fragster.de, Bashiok, who had to register/post with his real name in accordance with the to be launched system, closed down his twitter accounts and had his phone number blocked too after, within a handful of minutes after this aforementioned post/registration, his age, phone number, adress, the name of his wife and his children and the name of the school they visit were revealed by visitors of the bnet forum.
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