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On July 08 2010 01:04 Tray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 00:50 keV. wrote:On July 08 2010 00:32 Tray wrote:On July 08 2010 00:21 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 22:32 Tray wrote:
Based on the comments in here I've never been more convinced this is a great idea. If the retards on here who say they won't buy the game because they can't troll the official forums without their name being there are being honest (most of them aren't), then the forums will actually be a useful place to visit from time to time.
It's the same illogical retards that are arguing against their names being posted that are the ones ruining the forums. The two groups probably have nearly identical overlap. You really don't read at all and your posting in this whole thread has been awful. All you do is hurl insults at people even though no one has been talking about trolling for 50 pages. It has nothing to do with trolling, what you are doing IS trolling. People aren't comfortable giving out their real name, that is reason people are upset, it has nothing to do with not being able to troll. I can't wait until they do go live with real names so maybe you will stop spouting nonsense here and you can have your precious "troll free" bnet forums. If you weren't comfortable giving out your real name, you simply wouldn't post on the bnet forums anymore. You wouldn't be crying about it over 90 pages. I see right through your lie, similar to the one where you pretended to say you were going to ignore me about 40 pages back. Just be honest. You're worried that now your possibly racist, insulting, and derogitory posts will now have your name attached to them for the world to see through google and you don't like it. It has nothing to do with privacy and everything to do with anonymity. If you cared about privacy you simply wouldn't post. Also thank you to all the other people who proved my point replying to me with unfounded statements like, "if you really believe this you're just an idiot." You people are EXACTLY the kind of posters Blizzard is trying to get rid of. People who add nothing, provide no insight, and have no logical reasoning capabilities. That's all there used to be on the bnet forums, and now those people will be in the open for everyone to mock and discredit. I can't wait. Firstly, grats on getting a post out that doesn't call anyone an idiot or a retard! You're well on your way to being worth listening to! Again, I said that I wouldn't post. I never used the bnet forums anyway. I've said this multiple times through the whole thread, but you have a severe comprehension disorder. Anyone one of the people that have bothered to respond to you can identify that. I simply understand why some people do not want to have to their real name attached to a video game forum, if you don't then fine, nothing is going to make you. Like I said before, my name is Kevin and my handle is keV and if keV is taken it is my initials (KTA). My steam page has my real name. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with my personal opinion on the matter, it has everything to do with me wanting to stop this obsession with tying your personal life in with the internet. I have friends and family who would rather play in private. They don't even use the forums. My issue is not with the change of having real ID attached to your forum posts (though I think it is pointless and understand why some posters would not want to deal with it) because you CAN avoid it by simply not posting and that is FINE. If blizzard-activision can promise me that this is as far as they will take real life integration... and maybe having the tech support forums be initials only.. I can call it even and continue buying their products. The problem is that they can't promise me that. I think the way gaming is handled is fine, you have great places like TL and other fansites that are heavily policed where you can (generally) find good content. I have formed great online relationships with e-friends, some have lasted over a decade all with an alias, and the gradually to a more first name basis. I actually got so friendly with the people I play games with that I started using my real name as a handle. I don't see how forcing people into the phase that I am in is beneficial to certain people who are not ready for that kind of reality. How far do things have to go before you actually believe that there is a true invasion of privacy? Would you rather see how far we can push it? Or, do you believe that maybe it just isn't worth it at all. I'll take the latter. I only skimmed your post because you went into some ridiculous hyperbole, but to answer your last paragraph, they will have gone too far when everyone can see my real name in game without me allowing access to it. Or more specifically, when I no longer have the choice to hide my real name. Bnet forums are owned by Blizzard and therefore they're allowed to restrict/moderate them however they please. I will simply not post there if I don't want my name attached to a post. If they put my real name next to my handle in the game, that would be too far. The line is pretty clear to me, and I'm sorry if it isn't for you.
Ha ha, you have no idea what hyperbole is, I'll just post in smaller chunks for you. Anyway, I'm glad you acknowledge that there is at least a line somewhere.
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United States548 Posts
On July 08 2010 01:03 zewk wrote:
I love this idea.
No more trolls, maybe more serious and mature discussions. It's not like people are going to look you up and kill you. Politicians say stuff all day that a lot of people dissagree to and which effects some peope in big negative ways, still nobodys going on political killing rampage here in Sweden.
In America at least famous people have stalkers ALL the time, the only difference is they can afford to pay people to protect them, but some random on the forums can't. Hell, presidents have been assassinated for the simple reason that people didn't agree with them. I can see Blizzards reasoning behind the decision, but I still don't agree with it.
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In America at least famous people have stalkers ALL the time, the only difference is they can afford to pay people to protect them, but some random on the forums can't. Hell, presidents have been assassinated for the simple reason that people didn't agree with them. I can see Blizzards reasoning behind the decision, but I still don't agree with it.
I'd like to point that that famous people, being famous, are known to way more people around the globe. And thus, crazy people are going to want to kill more famous people because it has more of an impact. Killing Obama as a hypothetical situation would send out the message that yes... there are people that don't want a black president. Killing a random African America is not going to send that message out. It will be in the news for 2 days, and then it will be buried. That is not something worth killing another random stranger on the internet for. Also, I find all this talk about killing other people quite depressing, it really is a quite far fetched to be honest.
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I can't believe the amount of people here who are relating a gaming forum's name policy to corporate crime. You are SERIOUSLY talking about a corporation way bigger than Blizzard (AT&T) doing things illegally, and then relating it to this topic? What, are you expecting Blizzard to start illegally selling out our information because we use our real names? Don't forget the fact that they already know your real name. This whole debate is about anonymity from other people, not from companies and corporations.
No one is relating anything to anything, except that in the sense that they are both "issues" that relate to the internet, so calm yourself down little froggy. I'm interested in finding out how many people will take action on this issue as opposed to something more serious and appalling.
I don't think Blizzard will do anything with it, to suspect so is pure speculation. There are also tons of people who were against Blizzard for selling virtual pets in their store but I don't see a problem with it, even if I will never buy one for myself.
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United States22154 Posts
Yes, because bringing up perfectly legitimate concerns is "scare mongering", and saying that you care about the community but don't care if people have to stop posting because of the inherent risks isn't hypocritical either.
The main issue here is that the next step is to make you use your name in game, and "if you don't like it, you don't have to play" the same way that if you don't like having your names on the forums you don't have to post
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"Addressed" is a funny way of saying "dismissed."
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I think I may have posted on the blizzard forums twice during 10 years so Its not a huge deal but its still retarded and unnecessary.
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"During this time, we have thought ahead about the scope and impact of this change and predicted that many people would no longer wish to post in the forums after this change goes live. We are fine with that, because we want to change these forums dramatically in a positive and more constructive direction. "
So the fact that legitimate posters will no longer wish to use Blizzard's official forums is fine for Blizzard? Well, that's something new.
My prediction? Places like this for SC, and MMO-Champion for WoW, will become the go to forums, with the official forums drastically losing participation.
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The main issue here is that the next step is to make you use your name in game, and "if you don't like it, you don't have to play" the same way that if you don't like having your names on the forums you don't have to post
Yes, that is exactly how you deal with a situation. You let Blizzard know that you won't accept it, and you don't buy the game. This will impact sales if everyone feels the same. Gaming is a luxury, not your life, and if it is I feel sorry for you. But you know what? Forget I even came in here. I'm forgetting this is TL, home to thousands of people who are more than happy to debate so it clearly won't end no matter how many times I argue. I'll just tire myself out so I'm dropping out already.
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On July 08 2010 01:17 GMarshal wrote:
Yes, because bringing up perfectly legitimate concerns is "scare mongering", and saying that you care about the community but don't care if people have to stop posting because of the inherent risks isn't hypocritical either.
The main issue here is that the next step is to make you use your name in game, and "if you don't like it, you don't have to play" the same way that if you don't like having your names on the forums you don't have to post
Slippery slope fallacy. Your arguent is invalid. Nice attempt at scare mongering though.
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United States548 Posts
On July 08 2010 01:16 Pandonetho wrote:Show nested quote +In America at least famous people have stalkers ALL the time, the only difference is they can afford to pay people to protect them, but some random on the forums can't. Hell, presidents have been assassinated for the simple reason that people didn't agree with them. I can see Blizzards reasoning behind the decision, but I still don't agree with it. I'd like to point that that famous people, being famous, are known to way more people around the globe. And thus, crazy people are going to want to kill more famous people because it has more of an impact. Killing Obama as a hypothetical situation would send out the message that yes... there are people that don't want a black president. Killing a random African America is not going to send that message out. It will be in the news for 2 days, and then it will be buried. That is not something worth killing another random stranger on the internet for. Also, I find all this talk about killing other people quite depressing, it really is a quite far fetched to be honest.
My point is more that there are people who kill regular people every day for the stupidest reasons. Killers don't always kill to try and send the world a message, they do it because they don't like the other person. People have already posted in a couple threads on the blizzard forums about how they've been stalked by other players (women and parents seem to be the most concerned), and there was a link posted on TL about a Chinese gamer who stabbed another one to death for stealing his sword and selling it in Legend of Mir 3, so it isn't that far fetched. This just makes it easier to find someone who doesn't know better than to not give their real name out.
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That's awesome, thanks for sharing that link InfiniteIce. I'll be looking into this when I wake up in about 3 hours (around 4:30am here).
I don't want Blizzard to fail. I want them to be successful. At the same time I want them to respect basic human rights like copyright, privacy, etc. That's all. I'll happily keep giving them my money as long as they can keep doing that.
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On July 08 2010 01:20 Copes wrote:
"During this time, we have thought ahead about the scope and impact of this change and predicted that many people would no longer wish to post in the forums after this change goes live. We are fine with that, because we want to change these forums dramatically in a positive and more constructive direction. "
So the fact that legitimate posters will no longer wish to use Blizzard's official forums is fine for Blizzard? Well, that's something new.
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My god, they are so dumb. Good luck having your forum full of 13 years old kids because that's probably the only group of people who can easily give a shit about revealing their personal info online.
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It's a silly move on many levels.
People could always opt to use their Real names in their call-signs if they so chose, that few, if any, EVER have in the history of the internet is pretty much proof positive that people like Anonymity.
I predict that rather than Blizzard forums becoming a more constructive place, they will be an absolute ghost town. Few if anyone will post, and those that do, are more likely than not those that provided false information anyways.
The event with the Blue's information is proof positive that freely available information is damaging in real life. Far more so than any amount of damage trolling anon posters could create.
I fully expect that at some point, someone, somewhere will have something happen to them, that they manage to successfully trace back to the Blizzard forms and the Real ID posting. At that point, the law-suit for privacy violation alone will cause their policy to change.
That Blizzard has lost the foresight to see that this may (read: WILL) happen at some point down the line is the most disconcerting thing. Then again, with many of the problems that arose in Bnet 2.Fail, I guess I can't say I'm overly surprised.
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"someone should build a pylon near their brain!"
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Killing is not the main issue, it's not frequent enough to be, but harassment, Identity theft, stalking is.
Don't know about everyone else but my new real name is Dick Farth.
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On July 07 2010 22:32 Tray wrote:
Based on the comments in here I've never been more convinced this is a great idea. If the retards on here who say they won't buy the game because they can't troll the official forums without their name being there are being honest (most of them aren't), then the forums will actually be a useful place to visit from time to time.
It's the same illogical retards that are arguing against their names being posted that are the ones ruining the forums. The two groups probably have nearly identical overlap.
.... Are you trolling?
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On July 08 2010 01:22 Tray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 01:17 GMarshal wrote:
Yes, because bringing up perfectly legitimate concerns is "scare mongering", and saying that you care about the community but don't care if people have to stop posting because of the inherent risks isn't hypocritical either.
The main issue here is that the next step is to make you use your name in game, and "if you don't like it, you don't have to play" the same way that if you don't like having your names on the forums you don't have to post Slippery slope fallacy. Your arguent is invalid. Nice attempt at scare mongering though.
Slippery Slope isn't a fallacy, it's more and more, proven in Blizzard's recent design philosophies and decisions.
That people can be harassed in real life, for legitimate, and well thought out posts on the Blizzard forums by lurkers (those that DONT post) is a serious issue. That those that are creative/bored/ass-hattery enough to locate and torment posters for some perceived insult is going to become a problem, and quickly I expect.
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