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I'm out, really.
I was screaming about Bnet2 and its F-ed upness as loudly as anyone, about a month ago I was going around to other game sites and posting about it, writing emails to media people about it, and so on and so forth. Then Blizz posted that bit about we're considering all this stuff and we saw the kitten video and so on and so forth. And I calmed my ass down and shut up for awhile. I waited for some glimmer of hope that they would actually listen to the community and change things for the better. I wasn't asking for the world, just some evidence that they cared about the community.
I think its pretty apparent that they don't care, and I at least have lost all hope that they do. I'm out. No more day[9], no more TL, and no more SC2. Maybe I'll get back into BW at some point once the sting from all this nonsense goes away, we'll see.
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Blizzard is selling out. I dont like the direction there heading too with their recent titles. It's really sad to see such a prestigious company do this just to increase profit at the cost of their previous core audience.
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On July 08 2010 00:11 Plethora wrote:
I'm out, really.
I was screaming about Bnet2 and its F-ed upness as loudly as anyone, about a month ago I was going around to other game sites and posting about it, writing emails to media people about it, and so on and so forth. Then Blizz posted that bit about we're considering all this stuff and we saw the kitten video and so on and so forth. And I calmed my ass down and shut up for awhile. I waited for some glimmer of hope that they would actually listen to the community and change things for the better. I wasn't asking for the world, just some evidence that they cared about the community.
I think its pretty apparent that they don't care, and I at least have lost all hope that they do. I'm out. No more day[9], no more TL, and no more SC2. Maybe I'll get back into BW at some point once the sting from all this nonsense goes away, we'll see.
Or you could just play sc2, post here and not use the official forums?
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On July 07 2010 22:32 Tray wrote:
Based on the comments in here I've never been more convinced this is a great idea. If the retards on here who say they won't buy the game because they can't troll the official forums without their name being there are being honest (most of them aren't), then the forums will actually be a useful place to visit from time to time.
It's the same illogical retards that are arguing against their names being posted that are the ones ruining the forums. The two groups probably have nearly identical overlap.
You really don't read at all and your posting in this whole thread has been awful. All you do is hurl insults at people even though no one has been talking about trolling for 50 pages. It has nothing to do with trolling, what you are doing IS trolling. People aren't comfortable giving out their real name, that is reason people are upset, it has nothing to do with not being able to troll.
I can't wait until they do go live with real names so maybe you will stop spouting nonsense here and you can have your precious "troll free" bnet forums.
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On July 08 2010 00:17 DeCoup wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 00:11 Plethora wrote:
I'm out, really.
I was screaming about Bnet2 and its F-ed upness as loudly as anyone, about a month ago I was going around to other game sites and posting about it, writing emails to media people about it, and so on and so forth. Then Blizz posted that bit about we're considering all this stuff and we saw the kitten video and so on and so forth. And I calmed my ass down and shut up for awhile. I waited for some glimmer of hope that they would actually listen to the community and change things for the better. I wasn't asking for the world, just some evidence that they cared about the community.
I think its pretty apparent that they don't care, and I at least have lost all hope that they do. I'm out. No more day[9], no more TL, and no more SC2. Maybe I'll get back into BW at some point once the sting from all this nonsense goes away, we'll see. Or you could just play sc2, post here and not use the official forums?
honestly, not the point. I'm not going to support a company that does this kind of shit whether it affects me personally or not.
EDIT: And another thing... its not like this is the only issue to which I am in opposition. If this were the only thing, I'd grumble but I'd be fine. If the lack of LAN was the only thing, I would whine but I would buy the game anyway. If all this focus on facebook was the only thing, I'd make jokes and move on. If lack of meaningful cross-region play was the only thing, I'd be annoyed but I would buy the game anyway.
You get the point...
Add everything up, I'm not buying the game.
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Just a disclaimer, I haven't read the thread of 89 pages so forgive me if I miss something.
First though...
Blizzard is selling out. I dont like the direction there heading too with their recent titles. It's really sad to see such a prestigious company do this just to increase profit at the cost of their previous core audience.
How does any of this increase Blizzard's profits? I mean, you have to use your real name to post on a forum. Are you really implying here that that will increase profits? Or are you just having an irrational knee jerk reaction everything that Blizzard does?
My opinion is that most people here are way overreacting. They're just having knee jerk reactions to anything that sounds bad. Get a grip on reality, what percentage of you actually post on the forums? Why are so many of you raging over a new forum policy on a forum you don't even use? If you do use the forum, then by all means complain. No one has even tried to see how this will work yet, or has given it a chance. It's ridiculous, and for those of you who have started posting personal information of other people, you're the sole cause for what you're complaining about. Quit being fucking hypocrites.
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On July 08 2010 00:28 Pandonetho wrote:Just a disclaimer, I haven't read the thread of 89 pages so forgive me if I miss something. First though... Show nested quote +Blizzard is selling out. I dont like the direction there heading too with their recent titles. It's really sad to see such a prestigious company do this just to increase profit at the cost of their previous core audience. How does any of this increase Blizzard's profits? I mean, you have to use your real name to post on a forum. Are you really implying here that that will increase profits? Or are you just having an irrational knee jerk reaction everything that Blizzard does? My opinion is that most people here are way overreacting. They're just having knee jerk reactions to anything that sounds bad. Get a grip on reality, what percentage of you actually post on the forums? Why are so many of you raging over a new forum policy on a forum you don't even use? If you do use the forum, then by all means complain. No one has even tried to see how this will work yet, or has given it a chance. It's ridiculous, and for those of you who have started posting personal information of other people, you're the sole cause for what you're complaining about. Quit being fucking hypocrites.
"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
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On July 08 2010 00:08 miltondtf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 23:41 Helios.Star wrote:On July 07 2010 23:36 miltondtf wrote:On July 07 2010 23:30 Helios.Star wrote:I thought the actual facebook page got deleted. I can't believe theres actually more than one Micah Whipple in California. Maybe my name isnt as unique as I thought it was... Cant you see that its a fake page that someone made using his name... now can you see how ppl that even dont have facebook can suddenly get pages created in their name. Then with facebook integration they can trick your real friends into adding that fake page to their friends, then all of the sudden they may de talking to someone posing for you inside battle.net?! This is the isue, once you make things public anyone can use them on the web... and there are allot of posers out there.. No, I can't see it's a fake page, because you need to login to do that apparently and I'm not a member of facebook, because of stuff like this. I thought I was being paranoid for a while but now Im really glad I've managed to avoid this and myspace. At least if someone makes a page in my name now anybody who knows me knows I'd never join. Ok I see we agree on the problem here, now since you dont have a facebook account, when we all know your real name its quite simple go get an account under your name going. Now you say that "anybody who knows me knows I'd never join" but the "ppl you know" are never the problem, the problem are the ppl that don't know you yet, but want to, and may search info about you on these sites. P.S.: I'm sry for using your post as an example, but its a good example to explain ppl "what's the big deal"
It's cool. Yeah I guess what I'd be worried about most is employers googling my info. It isn't like I'm posting incriminating stuff, but I also don't walk into job interviews and start talking about gaming. Even worse could be if you have a facebook account and one of your contacts has pictures of themselves doing something questionable they could not hire you on the basis of you associating with people they don't like.
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On July 08 2010 00:28 Pandonetho wrote:Just a disclaimer, I haven't read the thread of 89 pages so forgive me if I miss something. First though... Show nested quote +Blizzard is selling out. I dont like the direction there heading too with their recent titles. It's really sad to see such a prestigious company do this just to increase profit at the cost of their previous core audience. How does any of this increase Blizzard's profits? I mean, you have to use your real name to post on a forum. Are you really implying here that that will increase profits? Or are you just having an irrational knee jerk reaction everything that Blizzard does? My opinion is that most people here are way overreacting. They're just having knee jerk reactions to anything that sounds bad. Get a grip on reality, what percentage of you actually post on the forums? Why are so many of you raging over a new forum policy on a forum you don't even use? If you do use the forum, then by all means complain. No one has even tried to see how this will work yet, or has given it a chance. It's ridiculous, and for those of you who have started posting personal information of other people, you're the sole cause for what you're complaining about. Quit being fucking hypocrites.
Like I've said before... I don't think this would be getting anywhere near this much of a reaction if it weren't for the laundry list of issues people are already pissed off about. People were hoping to get GOOD news about the direction of Bnet2.0, and instead they get more bad. Even if the degree of the bad isn't all that bad, if you get something bad when you're expecting something good, see how you feel about it.
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On July 08 2010 00:21 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 22:32 Tray wrote:
Based on the comments in here I've never been more convinced this is a great idea. If the retards on here who say they won't buy the game because they can't troll the official forums without their name being there are being honest (most of them aren't), then the forums will actually be a useful place to visit from time to time.
It's the same illogical retards that are arguing against their names being posted that are the ones ruining the forums. The two groups probably have nearly identical overlap. You really don't read at all and your posting in this whole thread has been awful. All you do is hurl insults at people even though no one has been talking about trolling for 50 pages. It has nothing to do with trolling, what you are doing IS trolling. People aren't comfortable giving out their real name, that is reason people are upset, it has nothing to do with not being able to troll. I can't wait until they do go live with real names so maybe you will stop spouting nonsense here and you can have your precious "troll free" bnet forums.
If you weren't comfortable giving out your real name, you simply wouldn't post on the bnet forums anymore. You wouldn't be crying about it over 90 pages. I see right through your lie, similar to the one where you pretended to say you were going to ignore me about 40 pages back.
Just be honest. You're worried that now your possibly racist, insulting, and derogitory posts will now have your name attached to them for the world to see through google and you don't like it.
It has nothing to do with privacy and everything to do with anonymity. If you cared about privacy you simply wouldn't post.
Also thank you to all the other people who proved my point replying to me with unfounded statements like, "if you really believe this you're just an idiot." You people are EXACTLY the kind of posters Blizzard is trying to get rid of. People who add nothing, provide no insight, and have no logical reasoning capabilities. That's all there used to be on the bnet forums, and now those people will be in the open for everyone to mock and discredit. I can't wait.
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"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
Reading Comprehension Police
What does any of this have to do with "coming to you" exactly? You're not being forced to use the forums, so your post is completely irrelevant.
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On July 08 2010 00:33 Pandonetho wrote:Show nested quote +
"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
Reading Comprehension Police
What does any of this have to do with "coming to you" exactly? You're not being forced to use the forums, so your post is completely irrelevant.
but people with tech support issues are
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On July 08 2010 00:32 Tray wrote:
It has nothing to do with privacy and everything to do with anonymity. If you cared about privacy you simply wouldn't post.
This statement is at least partially true. That does not make arguing against this bad.
Anonymity has value too. It'll take approximately 2 seconds before someone following the rules with lets say an Indian name (for the sake of argument), posts something, and some ignorant 13 yr old kid with the name "Michael Hunt" starts making jokes about getting back to the tech support line.
Part of the reason the internet is a great place is precisely because we can leave ethnicities, nationalities, and their associated stereotypes behind in an effort to have a civil conversation.
To me putting up with trolls is worth the gain given by anonymity, and that's assuming this move will significantly cut down on trolling, which I do not think it will.
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but people with tech support issues are
Let's be honest here. Is Blizzard tech support the first place you think of going when you need help? If yes, then you have a point.
For me, my tech support goes to the forums where the community is much more likely to reply way faster than waiting for a Blizz rep to reply.
To me putting up with trolls is worth the gain given by anonymity, and that's assuming this move will significantly cut down on trolling, which I do not think it will.
Really? Is that why you look to the battle.net forums currently, for discussion, instead of a well moderated site such as this? /SARCASM
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On July 08 2010 00:33 Pandonetho wrote:Show nested quote +
"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
Reading Comprehension Police
What does any of this have to do with "coming to you" exactly? You're not being forced to use the forums, so your post is completely irrelevant.
The point he was trying to make is that if people let everything that doesn't affect them go, then eventually other people will think that it's okay to do it, and it will affect you eventually.
With this whole real name thing, if it's "successful", then other companies might try and do the same thing, and when it becomes the norm it'll be very difficult to undo.
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Could you actually post on blizzard forums without having a game tied to your game account? I mean how hard would it be to just ban everyone who misbehaves when they can't make new accounts without buying another copy?
(and if they do buy another copy it was totally worth the ban for blizzard as well)
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I wonder, out of curiosity: how many of you were this up in arms when AT&T were let off easy for _illegally_ handing out logs of people that were using their ISP? How many of you actually took action? Or took action about the BP oil spill? And are you planning to take action against Blizzard for this? (I'm going for fairly lenient definitions of "taking action': signing petitions, calling up political representatives, or actively avoiding the companies' products in question despite cost or inconvenience. Does not include simply posting about it.)
I personally have not taken action on any of these issues although I feel strongly about the first two, so I'm not condemning or judging anyone - it'd just be interesting to see the results.
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With this whole real name thing, if it's "successful", then other companies might try and do the same thing, and when it becomes the norm it'll be very difficult to undo.
If it's a success it's because of the people, not the company. Are you people really construing the idea that Blizzard is the ones that are ruining people's lives here? This is ONE instance of this being tried, and no one has even GIVEN it a chance. If it becomes a success, it's because the people who used it made it a success. We're in a Democracy, not a communist country. If it's a bad idea, and everyone really is against it then no one will use it and it will fail.
I wonder, out of curiosity: how many of you were this up in arms when AT&T were let off easy for _illegally_ handing out logs of people that were using their ISP? How many of you actually took action? Or took action about the BP oil spill? And are you planning to take action against Blizzard for this? (I'm going for fairly lenient definitions of "taking action': signing petitions, calling up political representatives, or actively avoiding the companies' products in question despite cost or inconvenience. Does not include simply posting about it.)
I can't believe the amount of people here who are relating a gaming forum's name policy to corporate crime. You are SERIOUSLY talking about a corporation way bigger than Blizzard (AT&T) doing things illegally, and then relating it to this topic? What, are you expecting Blizzard to start illegally selling out our information because we use our real names? Don't forget the fact that they already know your real name. This whole debate is about anonymity from other people, not from companies and corporations.
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Dunno if it's been posted, and I don't know if this will be worth any time at all since it is forum related and not directly related to the game, but it can't hurt.
https://www.esrb.org/privacy/contact.jsp
Register a complaint there if you have a problem. I haven't read this full 89 page thread so maybe this has been posted, or already shot down as useless.
But I also do not support this change. I'm not the most active poster on the forums, but I do use them. However, I quite frankly (especially with WoW) don't want to be Googleable and have people find out how much of a gamer I am. Doesn't help job hunting, doesn't help dating, doesn't really help anything. When this goes live I will not be posted on the forums anymore.
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On July 08 2010 00:32 Tray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 00:21 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 22:32 Tray wrote:
Based on the comments in here I've never been more convinced this is a great idea. If the retards on here who say they won't buy the game because they can't troll the official forums without their name being there are being honest (most of them aren't), then the forums will actually be a useful place to visit from time to time.
It's the same illogical retards that are arguing against their names being posted that are the ones ruining the forums. The two groups probably have nearly identical overlap. You really don't read at all and your posting in this whole thread has been awful. All you do is hurl insults at people even though no one has been talking about trolling for 50 pages. It has nothing to do with trolling, what you are doing IS trolling. People aren't comfortable giving out their real name, that is reason people are upset, it has nothing to do with not being able to troll. I can't wait until they do go live with real names so maybe you will stop spouting nonsense here and you can have your precious "troll free" bnet forums. If you weren't comfortable giving out your real name, you simply wouldn't post on the bnet forums anymore. You wouldn't be crying about it over 90 pages. I see right through your lie, similar to the one where you pretended to say you were going to ignore me about 40 pages back. Just be honest. You're worried that now your possibly racist, insulting, and derogitory posts will now have your name attached to them for the world to see through google and you don't like it. It has nothing to do with privacy and everything to do with anonymity. If you cared about privacy you simply wouldn't post. Also thank you to all the other people who proved my point replying to me with unfounded statements like, "if you really believe this you're just an idiot." You people are EXACTLY the kind of posters Blizzard is trying to get rid of. People who add nothing, provide no insight, and have no logical reasoning capabilities. That's all there used to be on the bnet forums, and now those people will be in the open for everyone to mock and discredit. I can't wait.
Firstly, grats on getting a post out that doesn't call anyone an idiot or a retard! You're well on your way to being worth listening to!
Again, I said that I wouldn't post. I never used the bnet forums anyway. I've said this multiple times through the whole thread, but you have a severe comprehension disorder. Anyone one of the people that have bothered to respond to you can identify that. I simply understand why some people do not want to have to their real name attached to a video game forum, if you don't then fine, nothing is going to make you.
Like I said before, my name is Kevin and my handle is keV and if keV is taken it is my initials (KTA). My steam page has my real name. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with my personal opinion on the matter, it has everything to do with me wanting to stop this obsession with tying your personal life in with the internet. I have friends and family who would rather play in private. They don't even use the forums. My issue is not with the change of having real ID attached to your forum posts (though I think it is pointless and understand why some posters would not want to deal with it) because you CAN avoid it by simply not posting and that is FINE.
If blizzard-activision can promise me that this is as far as they will take real life integration... and maybe having the tech support forums be initials only.. I can call it even and continue buying their products. The problem is that they can't promise me that. I think the way gaming is handled is fine, you have great places like TL and other fansites that are heavily policed where you can (generally) find good content. I have formed great online relationships with e-friends, some have lasted over a decade all with an alias, and the gradually to a more first name basis. I actually got so friendly with the people I play games with that I started using my real name as a handle. I don't see how forcing people into the phase that I am in is beneficial to certain people who are not ready for that kind of reality.
How far do things have to go before you actually believe that there is a true invasion of privacy? Would you rather see how far we can push it? Or, do you believe that maybe it just isn't worth it at all. I'll take the latter.
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