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On July 08 2010 03:11 Keren wrote:
I love how this RealID change gives people the sudden urge to act all self-righteous. What would this thread say if Blizz had instead said they're deleting the B.net forums all together because they're useless? It would instead be filled with "lolz who cares about those forums anyway, buncha baddies," but instead because they're trying to improve quality, everyone is out to do the right thing and show the world how important privacy is? pfft.
Also this rampant paranoia that someone *gasp* on the Internet is going to come hunt me down because I said mean things to them on a forum is so cute. How important do you think you are? Seriously, how many whackjobs do you think are out there who are sitting at home thinking "damnit, if only I knew where this random forum dude lived, I'd be able to go stab him in the face!" There are plenty of methods of internet crazies tracking down people and they don't happen all that often, so for one reason or another, I don't really think posting on the B.net forums under your real name is going to suddenly endanger your well being.
Oh and if you're really so worried and offended, just do what 99% of you were doing before this announcement: don't post on the battle.net forums! So that way after this awful change everyone should be mad about, we'll all go on with our lives exactly like they were before.
You would be suprised how often it does occur, Most crimes now are internet related in how they find you if it was premeditated out of random victimization...i admit blizzard implementing this wont change that fact...I am only saying this because...Well there are a lot of psychos that play videogames too, And this is one way they can help find you if you really upset them...normally they couldnt do much just knowing your e-mail or bogus screen name, and wouldnt really bother..but now they have access to your full name and your Facebook,myspace...Normally if your full name isnt just randomly out there on some blizzard forum, people that dont like you will just... sigh...
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On July 08 2010 03:24 See.Blue wrote:
This is getting downright tinfoil-cap like. If the ramifications for posting are so dire, then ideally, that will mean that people will only post things they're willing to be associated with. If that means less people threatening to torch Blizz HQ because 'mech is too strong against zerg' then great. In real life your name is required daily for interactions with a whole host of people which we don't think twice about. Other than the fact that we have to now be responsible for our actions off and online, there really isn't that much to argue against, once you step beyond the rampant paranoia.
In real life, personal information is a tightly sealed information even if you need to give it out from time to time.
Check the InterOp and Empire 2.0 projects. Governmental intrusions in video games is starting to get seriously suspicious and far too common to be "a loose test".
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United States22154 Posts
On July 08 2010 03:24 See.Blue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 03:16 Santriell wrote:
Accountability is a matter of law, not half-baked moderators trying to be just that by forcing you to hand over your personal information.
And come on; Nobody dig that up already ? First facebook, then the real name.... And then what ? This is a pure vivendi-style operation to compile consumer information and re-sell the lists to advertisers.
Add to that the future UN & DMCA laws that are bound to be coming in 3-5 years about how "people must be tracked online" and you have a pretty good idea of who's going to be the guinea pig collaborator... This is getting downright tinfoil-cap like. If the ramifications for posting are so dire, then ideally, that will mean that people will only post things they're willing to be associated with. If that means less people threatening to torch Blizz HQ because 'mech is too strong against zerg' then great. In real life your name is required daily for interactions with a whole host of people which we don't think twice about. Other than the fact that we have to now be responsible for our actions off and online, there really isn't that much to argue against, once you step beyond the rampant paranoia.
Really, I guess what happened to Bashiok proves nothing then, because all the man did was post his name which is what is going to happen whenever you post on the forums now. Also those who are looking for jobs and get googled by potential employers are sure to enjoy not getting a job because of their private hobby which blizzard made public. Bottom line there are other ways to make people responsible for their actions that dont involve plastering their names all over the internet
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On July 08 2010 03:24 See.Blue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 03:16 Santriell wrote:
Accountability is a matter of law, not half-baked moderators trying to be just that by forcing you to hand over your personal information.
And come on; Nobody dig that up already ? First facebook, then the real name.... And then what ? This is a pure vivendi-style operation to compile consumer information and re-sell the lists to advertisers.
Add to that the future UN & DMCA laws that are bound to be coming in 3-5 years about how "people must be tracked online" and you have a pretty good idea of who's going to be the guinea pig collaborator... This is getting downright tinfoil-cap like. If the ramifications for posting are so dire, then ideally, that will mean that people will only post things they're willing to be associated with. If that means less people threatening to torch Blizz HQ because 'mech is too strong against zerg' then great. In real life your name is required daily for interactions with a whole host of people which we don't think twice about. Other than the fact that we have to now be responsible for our actions off and online, there really isn't that much to argue against, once you step beyond the rampant paranoia.
As I just mentioned, if there is now a *danger* in flaming Bliz or another poster, there's also a danger in posting anything at all. It's all perception and there's no control over who reads it.
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On July 08 2010 03:09 See.Blue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 03:06 TheYango wrote:On July 08 2010 02:58 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 02:56 Orome wrote:On July 08 2010 02:49 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 02:47 Archerofaiur wrote:On July 08 2010 02:45 See.Blue wrote:
Here at TL in our own rulebook we say that we value reputation, particularly as it is attached to a name. By requiring RealID, Blizz is just taking the same step. Do you see how TL manages to do it without, you know, compromising privacy and security? That ignores the larger point I was making, namely that there's been groups and organizations in the real world, time out of mind, whose members have always been able to know the real names of other members, as thats how they communicate. Groups like this still exist, so it's not a huge jump to see that having strangers learn your real name can't be as apocalyptic as a lot of the posting on here would suggest. Except in real life, what you say isn't recorded and displayed for all eternity for anyone in the whole world to read. But what exactly is so wrong with accountability? "Accountability" is not that straightforward when involved with something so easily misinterpreted as written word on the internet. It's one thing to be accountable for things you actually said. It's another story when people take quotes out of context, can't see sarcastic tone as it's not expressed well in written form, or just plain misunderstand you. But this is no different then real life when people can twist what you say. If it acts as impetus for people to put more thought into what they're saying, then it's really hard to argue against.
In real life you have a limited audience in front of you, you know who that audience is, you know exactly what you're sharing with whom. If you don't want someone to know something, you don't talk about it in his presence.
The internet is a much more powerful medium. On the internet, your audience is potentially every single person who has access to a computer. That includes your family, all your friends, your teachers, the people at work, your future employers. It also includes criminals, thieves, crazies, etc., etc.. Even better, your message doesn't fade over time. Are you sure you want everything you write today to be associated with you 20 years from now? Do you really want just anyone in the world to be able to associate your post with a name and an address if he doesn't like what you write?
Thinking this is going to turn the battle.net forums into a great forum where nobody posts unless they've got something important to say is naive. The general quality of posting will probably go up as a result, but having all real names exposed on a forum like that is just asking for trouble.
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On July 08 2010 03:12 Bibdy wrote:
Why does accountability require your full name?
Why can't they just use any personalized unique identifier for your forum persona?
Seriously, this is just a damn online video game forum. Why is it so important that it needs to plaster something like your full name around in order to create that accountability? You would achieve the exact same effect of accountability by forcing people to post with a single identifier on the account. Whether its real or not, its still locked to that account and you can't change it without buying another one. Exact same effect as buying another account to generate a fake full name, only this time you did it to be a troll. Not to protect your identity.
One cannot fathom why they chose real name over any kind of unique identifier. They HAVE to know its important to a lot of people. They can't be THAT stupid.
Does anyone honestly think that it makes a difference to the CONTENT of your posts if you were forced to post everywhere on the internet with your current forumID on this site, than with your full name?
I'm willing to bet the content won't change. It only becomes a decision based on the desire to post at all.
This is a very good point that this guy has made more than a few times. Why go with real names when you could get the job done with a single unique identifier for that account. It brings accountibility without the privacy concerns - if you're in the habit of being a bad poster/troll people will come to recognize your name. It will also help the moderators. They don't need to worry about IPs, cd keys, or any of that jazz. They can just simply hand out the punishment to the account tied to that name.
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On July 08 2010 03:29 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 03:24 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 03:16 Santriell wrote:
Accountability is a matter of law, not half-baked moderators trying to be just that by forcing you to hand over your personal information.
And come on; Nobody dig that up already ? First facebook, then the real name.... And then what ? This is a pure vivendi-style operation to compile consumer information and re-sell the lists to advertisers.
Add to that the future UN & DMCA laws that are bound to be coming in 3-5 years about how "people must be tracked online" and you have a pretty good idea of who's going to be the guinea pig collaborator... This is getting downright tinfoil-cap like. If the ramifications for posting are so dire, then ideally, that will mean that people will only post things they're willing to be associated with. If that means less people threatening to torch Blizz HQ because 'mech is too strong against zerg' then great. In real life your name is required daily for interactions with a whole host of people which we don't think twice about. Other than the fact that we have to now be responsible for our actions off and online, there really isn't that much to argue against, once you step beyond the rampant paranoia. Really, I guess what happened to Bashiok proves nothing then, because all the man did was post his name which is what is going to happen whenever you post on the forums now. Also those who are looking for jobs and get googled by potential employers are sure to enjoy not getting a job because of their private hobby which blizzard made public. Bottom line there are other ways to make people responsible for their actions that dont involve plastering their names all over the internet
I object to the idea that being identified as a gamer somehow victimizes you. There is no reason for hiring firms to select against WoW or SC or players of any other video game simply as a matter of principle, simply because they don't track with anything. People lose jobs because of video games when they act like an idiot by skipping work for a raid or to play more. If this now means you can't post from work about how much you enjoy cutting off for raids or calling in sick to play in a local LAN without facing the repercussions, so what. There's an incredible sense of victimhood amongst the gamer community- that the corporate world just doesn't like them, which is patently false. If you're highly qualified and aren't planning to slack off to game more, then there is absolutely no reason a firm would not hire you or you would lose out on any other perk as a result of your hobby.
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I am changing my name to Mclovin.
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On July 08 2010 03:33 See.Blue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 03:29 GMarshal wrote:On July 08 2010 03:24 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 03:16 Santriell wrote:
Accountability is a matter of law, not half-baked moderators trying to be just that by forcing you to hand over your personal information.
And come on; Nobody dig that up already ? First facebook, then the real name.... And then what ? This is a pure vivendi-style operation to compile consumer information and re-sell the lists to advertisers.
Add to that the future UN & DMCA laws that are bound to be coming in 3-5 years about how "people must be tracked online" and you have a pretty good idea of who's going to be the guinea pig collaborator... This is getting downright tinfoil-cap like. If the ramifications for posting are so dire, then ideally, that will mean that people will only post things they're willing to be associated with. If that means less people threatening to torch Blizz HQ because 'mech is too strong against zerg' then great. In real life your name is required daily for interactions with a whole host of people which we don't think twice about. Other than the fact that we have to now be responsible for our actions off and online, there really isn't that much to argue against, once you step beyond the rampant paranoia. Really, I guess what happened to Bashiok proves nothing then, because all the man did was post his name which is what is going to happen whenever you post on the forums now. Also those who are looking for jobs and get googled by potential employers are sure to enjoy not getting a job because of their private hobby which blizzard made public. Bottom line there are other ways to make people responsible for their actions that dont involve plastering their names all over the internet I object to the idea that being identified as a gamer somehow victimizes you. There is no reason for hiring firms to select against WoW or SC or players of any other video game simply as a matter of principle, simply because they don't track with anything. People lose jobs because of video games when they act like an idiot by skipping work for a raid or to play more. If this now means you can't post from work about how much you enjoy cutting off for raids or calling in sick to play in a local LAN without facing the repercussions, so what. There's an incredible sense of victimhood amongst the gamer community- that the corporate world just doesn't like them, which is patently false. If you're highly qualified and aren't planning to slack off to game more, then there is absolutely no reason a firm would not hire you or you would lose out on any other perk as a result of your hobby.
If a firm has two equal potential employees and one posts on a game forum and the other doesn't you really think that's not going to make a difference?
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Look, you wouldn't go up to a guy holding a machette and tell him "I like cheese," because for all you know he hates cheese and will kill you for it. Well, by using your real name on a forum you're telling everyone your opinion. It just takes one who disagrees with you and wants to harrass you.
And again, if there was no danger in being harrassed then there'd be no prevention of flaming/trolling to begin with, which is what was intended.
Blizzard wants to prevent flaming and trolling by creating an element of danger via accountability. The problem is that it can't be contained to just the falmers and trollers...it's open to anyone who disagrees with anything. And to add, I really don't understand why Blizzard feels flamers and trollers are customers that don't deserve to be defended.
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On July 08 2010 03:36 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 03:33 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 03:29 GMarshal wrote:On July 08 2010 03:24 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 03:16 Santriell wrote:
Accountability is a matter of law, not half-baked moderators trying to be just that by forcing you to hand over your personal information.
And come on; Nobody dig that up already ? First facebook, then the real name.... And then what ? This is a pure vivendi-style operation to compile consumer information and re-sell the lists to advertisers.
Add to that the future UN & DMCA laws that are bound to be coming in 3-5 years about how "people must be tracked online" and you have a pretty good idea of who's going to be the guinea pig collaborator... This is getting downright tinfoil-cap like. If the ramifications for posting are so dire, then ideally, that will mean that people will only post things they're willing to be associated with. If that means less people threatening to torch Blizz HQ because 'mech is too strong against zerg' then great. In real life your name is required daily for interactions with a whole host of people which we don't think twice about. Other than the fact that we have to now be responsible for our actions off and online, there really isn't that much to argue against, once you step beyond the rampant paranoia. Really, I guess what happened to Bashiok proves nothing then, because all the man did was post his name which is what is going to happen whenever you post on the forums now. Also those who are looking for jobs and get googled by potential employers are sure to enjoy not getting a job because of their private hobby which blizzard made public. Bottom line there are other ways to make people responsible for their actions that dont involve plastering their names all over the internet I object to the idea that being identified as a gamer somehow victimizes you. There is no reason for hiring firms to select against WoW or SC or players of any other video game simply as a matter of principle, simply because they don't track with anything. People lose jobs because of video games when they act like an idiot by skipping work for a raid or to play more. If this now means you can't post from work about how much you enjoy cutting off for raids or calling in sick to play in a local LAN without facing the repercussions, so what. There's an incredible sense of victimhood amongst the gamer community- that the corporate world just doesn't like them, which is patently false. If you're highly qualified and aren't planning to slack off to game more, then there is absolutely no reason a firm would not hire you or you would lose out on any other perk as a result of your hobby. If a firm has two equal potential employees and one posts on a game forum and the other doesn't you really think that's not going to make a difference?
As a student of a relevant field with at least some background in the matter, I genuinely don't. What if one was an avid jazz trombonist and the other a WoW player. Unless something the WoW player had said on the forum looked bad, I don't think any firm would have a problem if he comported himself with dignity online.
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On July 08 2010 03:27 ghosthunter wrote:
Yes, I am American. And on the plus side, you highlight racial stereotyping against me due to my country of origin which you feel would clearly be a problem on the Battle.net forums due to this change, so good job.
Wasn't a racial stereotype since I'm more than probably the same race as you. It's your way of reacting that was all too stereotypical. Going full psycho "omg teh millionz of ppl kill'd" over the fact that I used a fact about the name outing reeks of indoctrination.
I also find it entertaining you racially stereotype against the predominant people on this foreigner forum (Because in the field of starcraft, we are the foreigners, delightfully enough), but to each their own.
Culturally*
Can you please direct me to a link on Gregarism btw? I googled and wikied it and couldn't find anything. I am actually interested to know why someone called me an ignorant american swine.
My bad on this one; The term doesn't exist in English. 'Esprit Grégaire' in French is a way of describing people who automatically root for who/what is perceived to be the most powerful side of a conflict with no consideration of right or wrong.
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United States22154 Posts
On July 08 2010 03:33 See.Blue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 03:29 GMarshal wrote:On July 08 2010 03:24 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 03:16 Santriell wrote:
Accountability is a matter of law, not half-baked moderators trying to be just that by forcing you to hand over your personal information.
And come on; Nobody dig that up already ? First facebook, then the real name.... And then what ? This is a pure vivendi-style operation to compile consumer information and re-sell the lists to advertisers.
Add to that the future UN & DMCA laws that are bound to be coming in 3-5 years about how "people must be tracked online" and you have a pretty good idea of who's going to be the guinea pig collaborator... This is getting downright tinfoil-cap like. If the ramifications for posting are so dire, then ideally, that will mean that people will only post things they're willing to be associated with. If that means less people threatening to torch Blizz HQ because 'mech is too strong against zerg' then great. In real life your name is required daily for interactions with a whole host of people which we don't think twice about. Other than the fact that we have to now be responsible for our actions off and online, there really isn't that much to argue against, once you step beyond the rampant paranoia. Really, I guess what happened to Bashiok proves nothing then, because all the man did was post his name which is what is going to happen whenever you post on the forums now. Also those who are looking for jobs and get googled by potential employers are sure to enjoy not getting a job because of their private hobby which blizzard made public. Bottom line there are other ways to make people responsible for their actions that dont involve plastering their names all over the internet I object to the idea that being identified as a gamer somehow victimizes you. There is no reason for hiring firms to select against WoW or SC or players of any other video game simply as a matter of principle, simply because they don't track with anything. People lose jobs because of video games when they act like an idiot by skipping work for a raid or to play more. If this now means you can't post from work about how much you enjoy cutting off for raids or calling in sick to play in a local LAN without facing the repercussions, so what. There's an incredible sense of victimhood amongst the gamer community- that the corporate world just doesn't like them which is patently false. If you're highly qualified and aren't planning to slack off to game more, then there is absolutely no reason a firm would not hire you.
Sad as it may be to admit it there *are* stereotypes against gamers of all kinds (not just gamers obviously but that is what we are talking about) one example off the top of my head, those who play DnD face lower security clearance in the Israeli armed forces (source http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3052074,00.html) , its not that much of a stretch to assume that the same stereotypes exist against those who play MMOs or Starcraft.
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On July 08 2010 03:33 See.Blue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 03:29 GMarshal wrote:On July 08 2010 03:24 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 03:16 Santriell wrote:
Accountability is a matter of law, not half-baked moderators trying to be just that by forcing you to hand over your personal information.
And come on; Nobody dig that up already ? First facebook, then the real name.... And then what ? This is a pure vivendi-style operation to compile consumer information and re-sell the lists to advertisers.
Add to that the future UN & DMCA laws that are bound to be coming in 3-5 years about how "people must be tracked online" and you have a pretty good idea of who's going to be the guinea pig collaborator... This is getting downright tinfoil-cap like. If the ramifications for posting are so dire, then ideally, that will mean that people will only post things they're willing to be associated with. If that means less people threatening to torch Blizz HQ because 'mech is too strong against zerg' then great. In real life your name is required daily for interactions with a whole host of people which we don't think twice about. Other than the fact that we have to now be responsible for our actions off and online, there really isn't that much to argue against, once you step beyond the rampant paranoia. Really, I guess what happened to Bashiok proves nothing then, because all the man did was post his name which is what is going to happen whenever you post on the forums now. Also those who are looking for jobs and get googled by potential employers are sure to enjoy not getting a job because of their private hobby which blizzard made public. Bottom line there are other ways to make people responsible for their actions that dont involve plastering their names all over the internet I object to the idea that being identified as a gamer somehow victimizes you. There is no reason for hiring firms to select against WoW or SC or players of any other video game simply as a matter of principle, simply because they don't track with anything. People lose jobs because of video games when they act like an idiot by skipping work for a raid or to play more. If this now means you can't post from work about how much you enjoy cutting off for raids or calling in sick to play in a local LAN without facing the repercussions, so what. There's an incredible sense of victimhood amongst the gamer community- that the corporate world just doesn't like them, which is patently false. If you're highly qualified and aren't planning to slack off to game more, then there is absolutely no reason a firm would not hire you or you would lose out on any other perk as a result of your hobby.
Except for the fact that people who vet applications and have numerous ones to go through can and will use almost any information they are given or find. You have a choice between 2 equally skilled candidates but one you know spends 20 hours or more of spare time a week playing a game with kids while the others' hobbies is listed as "reading and playing golf." Gaming still has a stigma attached to it and this is one of the easiest ways its shown.
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On July 07 2010 22:22 Vedic wrote:
Until today, it was a choice to use the realid system at all - what choices will be removed tomorrow?
Next up, you cannot choose to play LAN anymore...oh wait!
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United States5162 Posts
On July 08 2010 03:36 See.Blue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 03:36 Myles wrote:On July 08 2010 03:33 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 03:29 GMarshal wrote:On July 08 2010 03:24 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 03:16 Santriell wrote:
Accountability is a matter of law, not half-baked moderators trying to be just that by forcing you to hand over your personal information.
And come on; Nobody dig that up already ? First facebook, then the real name.... And then what ? This is a pure vivendi-style operation to compile consumer information and re-sell the lists to advertisers.
Add to that the future UN & DMCA laws that are bound to be coming in 3-5 years about how "people must be tracked online" and you have a pretty good idea of who's going to be the guinea pig collaborator... This is getting downright tinfoil-cap like. If the ramifications for posting are so dire, then ideally, that will mean that people will only post things they're willing to be associated with. If that means less people threatening to torch Blizz HQ because 'mech is too strong against zerg' then great. In real life your name is required daily for interactions with a whole host of people which we don't think twice about. Other than the fact that we have to now be responsible for our actions off and online, there really isn't that much to argue against, once you step beyond the rampant paranoia. Really, I guess what happened to Bashiok proves nothing then, because all the man did was post his name which is what is going to happen whenever you post on the forums now. Also those who are looking for jobs and get googled by potential employers are sure to enjoy not getting a job because of their private hobby which blizzard made public. Bottom line there are other ways to make people responsible for their actions that dont involve plastering their names all over the internet I object to the idea that being identified as a gamer somehow victimizes you. There is no reason for hiring firms to select against WoW or SC or players of any other video game simply as a matter of principle, simply because they don't track with anything. People lose jobs because of video games when they act like an idiot by skipping work for a raid or to play more. If this now means you can't post from work about how much you enjoy cutting off for raids or calling in sick to play in a local LAN without facing the repercussions, so what. There's an incredible sense of victimhood amongst the gamer community- that the corporate world just doesn't like them, which is patently false. If you're highly qualified and aren't planning to slack off to game more, then there is absolutely no reason a firm would not hire you or you would lose out on any other perk as a result of your hobby. If a firm has two equal potential employees and one posts on a game forum and the other doesn't you really think that's not going to make a difference? As a student of a relevant field with at least some background in the matter, I genuinely don't. What if one was an avid jazz trombonist and the other a WoW player. Unless something the WoW player had said on the forum looked bad, I don't think any firm would have a problem if he comported himself with dignity online.
Or due to the stereotype of gamers he'd be dismissed as less professional. Though, I'm less concerned about the employer issue than the potential harassment issue. Just googling someones name can give you enough info to find out exactly where they live(if they have an uncommon name). It's unlikely, but like I said, with 15 million or more people reading your post, that 1 in a million shot for someone to take offense/action just happened 15 times.
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On July 08 2010 03:33 See.Blue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 03:29 GMarshal wrote:On July 08 2010 03:24 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 03:16 Santriell wrote:
Accountability is a matter of law, not half-baked moderators trying to be just that by forcing you to hand over your personal information.
And come on; Nobody dig that up already ? First facebook, then the real name.... And then what ? This is a pure vivendi-style operation to compile consumer information and re-sell the lists to advertisers.
Add to that the future UN & DMCA laws that are bound to be coming in 3-5 years about how "people must be tracked online" and you have a pretty good idea of who's going to be the guinea pig collaborator... This is getting downright tinfoil-cap like. If the ramifications for posting are so dire, then ideally, that will mean that people will only post things they're willing to be associated with. If that means less people threatening to torch Blizz HQ because 'mech is too strong against zerg' then great. In real life your name is required daily for interactions with a whole host of people which we don't think twice about. Other than the fact that we have to now be responsible for our actions off and online, there really isn't that much to argue against, once you step beyond the rampant paranoia. Really, I guess what happened to Bashiok proves nothing then, because all the man did was post his name which is what is going to happen whenever you post on the forums now. Also those who are looking for jobs and get googled by potential employers are sure to enjoy not getting a job because of their private hobby which blizzard made public. Bottom line there are other ways to make people responsible for their actions that dont involve plastering their names all over the internet I object to the idea that being identified as a gamer somehow victimizes you. There is no reason for hiring firms to select against WoW or SC or players of any other video game simply as a matter of principle, simply because they don't track with anything. People lose jobs because of video games when they act like an idiot by skipping work for a raid or to play more. If this now means you can't post from work about how much you enjoy cutting off for raids or calling in sick to play in a local LAN without facing the repercussions, so what. There's an incredible sense of victimhood amongst the gamer community- that the corporate world just doesn't like them, which is patently false. If you're highly qualified and aren't planning to slack off to game more, then there is absolutely no reason a firm would not hire you or you would lose out on any other perk as a result of your hobby.
I don't know what to say other than you are just wrong. People are googled all-the-time. When I was working at Verizon my boss googled every single applicant. Sometimes it yielded something to consider or joke about.. and sometimes it revealed absolutely nothing. I even said that I don't think that its fair and he said, and I quote (From 6 years ago) "I know, but why not?"
Can you answer that question? I can't.
There is no actual reason why someone who plays games in their free time would not be able to do a job just as well as someone who goes golfing. They are still discriminated against. I'll concede that its probably a trend is seeing it's last days, but why should anyone have to deal with it on any level? Even one single guy getting denied employment isn't worth the possibility of a better battle.net general forum in my eyes.
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On July 08 2010 03:38 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 03:33 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 03:29 GMarshal wrote:On July 08 2010 03:24 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 03:16 Santriell wrote:
Accountability is a matter of law, not half-baked moderators trying to be just that by forcing you to hand over your personal information.
And come on; Nobody dig that up already ? First facebook, then the real name.... And then what ? This is a pure vivendi-style operation to compile consumer information and re-sell the lists to advertisers.
Add to that the future UN & DMCA laws that are bound to be coming in 3-5 years about how "people must be tracked online" and you have a pretty good idea of who's going to be the guinea pig collaborator... This is getting downright tinfoil-cap like. If the ramifications for posting are so dire, then ideally, that will mean that people will only post things they're willing to be associated with. If that means less people threatening to torch Blizz HQ because 'mech is too strong against zerg' then great. In real life your name is required daily for interactions with a whole host of people which we don't think twice about. Other than the fact that we have to now be responsible for our actions off and online, there really isn't that much to argue against, once you step beyond the rampant paranoia. Really, I guess what happened to Bashiok proves nothing then, because all the man did was post his name which is what is going to happen whenever you post on the forums now. Also those who are looking for jobs and get googled by potential employers are sure to enjoy not getting a job because of their private hobby which blizzard made public. Bottom line there are other ways to make people responsible for their actions that dont involve plastering their names all over the internet I object to the idea that being identified as a gamer somehow victimizes you. There is no reason for hiring firms to select against WoW or SC or players of any other video game simply as a matter of principle, simply because they don't track with anything. People lose jobs because of video games when they act like an idiot by skipping work for a raid or to play more. If this now means you can't post from work about how much you enjoy cutting off for raids or calling in sick to play in a local LAN without facing the repercussions, so what. There's an incredible sense of victimhood amongst the gamer community- that the corporate world just doesn't like them which is patently false. If you're highly qualified and aren't planning to slack off to game more, then there is absolutely no reason a firm would not hire you. Sad as it may be to admit it there *are* stereotypes against gamers of all kinds (not just gamers obviously but that is what we are talking about) one example off the top of my head, those who play DnD face lower security clearance in the Israeli armed forces (source http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3052074,00.html) , its not that much of a stretch to assume that the same stereotypes exist against those who play MMOs or Starcraft.
That's actually a fascinating article, thanks for the link. I think however (whether or not this is right or wrong) that gaming is a much more mainstream social activity than D&D and enjoys a significantly larger following. An equivalent measure might be saying we're worried about people who watch over an hour of TV a day not getting jobs. The vast majority of people < 30 game actively and this figure is only going to grow. I definitely think that patronage of a Blizzard forum will not be a deal breaker (furthermore, if you are still worried, you don't have to post at all).
On July 08 2010 03:43 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 03:33 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 03:29 GMarshal wrote:On July 08 2010 03:24 See.Blue wrote:On July 08 2010 03:16 Santriell wrote:
Accountability is a matter of law, not half-baked moderators trying to be just that by forcing you to hand over your personal information.
And come on; Nobody dig that up already ? First facebook, then the real name.... And then what ? This is a pure vivendi-style operation to compile consumer information and re-sell the lists to advertisers.
Add to that the future UN & DMCA laws that are bound to be coming in 3-5 years about how "people must be tracked online" and you have a pretty good idea of who's going to be the guinea pig collaborator... This is getting downright tinfoil-cap like. If the ramifications for posting are so dire, then ideally, that will mean that people will only post things they're willing to be associated with. If that means less people threatening to torch Blizz HQ because 'mech is too strong against zerg' then great. In real life your name is required daily for interactions with a whole host of people which we don't think twice about. Other than the fact that we have to now be responsible for our actions off and online, there really isn't that much to argue against, once you step beyond the rampant paranoia. Really, I guess what happened to Bashiok proves nothing then, because all the man did was post his name which is what is going to happen whenever you post on the forums now. Also those who are looking for jobs and get googled by potential employers are sure to enjoy not getting a job because of their private hobby which blizzard made public. Bottom line there are other ways to make people responsible for their actions that dont involve plastering their names all over the internet I object to the idea that being identified as a gamer somehow victimizes you. There is no reason for hiring firms to select against WoW or SC or players of any other video game simply as a matter of principle, simply because they don't track with anything. People lose jobs because of video games when they act like an idiot by skipping work for a raid or to play more. If this now means you can't post from work about how much you enjoy cutting off for raids or calling in sick to play in a local LAN without facing the repercussions, so what. There's an incredible sense of victimhood amongst the gamer community- that the corporate world just doesn't like them, which is patently false. If you're highly qualified and aren't planning to slack off to game more, then there is absolutely no reason a firm would not hire you or you would lose out on any other perk as a result of your hobby. I don't know what to say other than you are just wrong. People are googled all-the-time. When I was working at Verizon my boss googled every single applicant. Sometimes it yielded something to consider or joke about.. and sometimes it revealed absolutely nothing. I even said that I don't think that its fair and he said, and I quote (From 6 years ago) "I know, but why not?" Can you answer that question? I can't. There is no actual reason why someone who plays games in their free time would not be able to do a job just as well as someone who goes golfing. They are still discriminated against. I'll concede that its probably a trend is seeing it's last days, but why should anyone have to deal with it on any level? Even one single guy getting denied employment isn't worth the possibility of a better battle.net general forum in my eyes.
But the idea that it is the gaming itself which is causaly linked to not getting a job offer is what I'm objecting to. I can absolutely imagine there is a strong correlation, simply because gaming communities are, by and large, wildly immature and bring out numerous unfavorable characteristics in their participating members. But on the other hand there is a 100% correlation between being born and dying, but one doesn't directly cause the other. If people comport themselves with dignity online, I do not think it would make a difference. Correlation doesn't equal causality.
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I will be honest here, while I think privacy is important, I really could care less if people knew my real name.
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