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On July 07 2010 08:53 Sealteam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 08:46 Piski wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well that just tells you that if someone wants to find you and kill you, he can. But I guess I'm lucky that I have one of the most common russian names and lastnames and I don't have a second name. I'm like waldo in a waldo crowd What that tells me is that there is in fact ONE crazy person on the internet. Sure there are probably more, but this is extrapolation at its worst. I fully support blizzard's decision to remove the 100% anonymity from the Battle.net forums, if you want anonymity go to 4-chan and see how people act when they are anonymous. Quantity will go down, quality will go up (at least in some respects, people will still be plain wrong). In real, every day life, you are far more likely to piss someone off and have them kill you than you are to do so on the internet. So should we all wear masks and use false names at work? School? In everything? My real name is Nick Cocklin, I live in Australia, and I'm not a paranoid schizophrenic therefore I don't believe everyone, or for that matter, anyone, wants to kill me, and I've fragged many a noob in my time. I don't believe having your name shared when you choose to post is a privacy issue in this situation.
Quantity of posts would go down because of people not wanting their name out there, not because of people afraid of trolling. All the intelligent people will stop posting, bringing quality down as well, because they don't want their names out there. Blizzard will still be as shy with bans as they are now, meaning that if the forums have little valuable content now, it will have none after the change. There is nothing good that can come of this.
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On July 07 2010 08:57 Myles wrote:
Facepalm at people talking about everyone is paranoid.
The chances of being harassed are small. No one is debating that. However, with these changes the chances are there where as now they are not. The fact is that is expedites harassment and something bad will come from it. It's not going to effect 99.99% of people, but someone will be harmed by this because we all know someone will take shit too far.
Life is life, man. Can't run from it. 
Plenty of Internet celebrities make it through okay. What's so special about the Blizzard forums?
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On July 07 2010 08:55 MuTT wrote:http://www.myspace.com/diamondback2 V.I. Double P in the HIZOUSE! So now I got your name, age, and approx address. You were previously in Sterling Heights. Your interest includes pot, mma, "just chillin", and video games. Ofcourse I'm not gonna waste money on further details, but it's really stupid to be able to find people just based on name alone, unless they themselves warrant it.
Thank you for helping me combat ignorance on these forums and yes Diamond it turns out that you are the one that lost... infront of everybody. If only i had a rap crew to say BURNNED and step on your sneakers and call you a fool. sigh one can dream... one can dream[/QUOTE]
O where to start.
First the last time I updated my Myspace was in like 2007-2008. Info is all outdated including current city.
And how did I lose? My phone still isn't ringing and there is no pizza at my house. I still win. You know nothing other than shit I could care less if you know. Btw my Teamliquid profile actually is going to be your best source of knowledge. I still win.
On July 07 2010 08:51 MuTT wrote:
Another defender of the truth - my heart has been warmed. and diamond by calling you a troll i was obviously implying the more likely case that you are simply "misinformed". i didn't say i was am able to take YOUR name and get a phone number out of it i am saying i can do that to SOME people. Now pay attention because I am tired of repeating myself. Blizzard is endangering SOME note the word SOME now okay! people by making this change. Regardless of whether they should have their personal information accessible through google (or the paid search sites that do a much better job) is irrelevant because some people actually need to have it on there like monster.com What they dont want that information to be used for is for people who disagree with them on a gaming forum. Arguing for reason isn't easy, but thats why i do it.
To those people I say "learn how to adjust your privacy setings."
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BTW with anyone's real name I can find out their real address, phone numbers, and every past address in less than 5 min.
Not everyone has access to certain databases, but those that do can easily find quite a lot of information about someone based on their real name.
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so that blizzard can see that this is even more retarded then no chat channels +no crossrealm play, and then change it like they did for those.
Are they actually changing these things? O_O
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On July 07 2010 08:58 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 08:57 Myles wrote:
Facepalm at people talking about everyone is paranoid.
The chances of being harassed are small. No one is debating that. However, with these changes the chances are there where as now they are not. The fact is that is expedites harassment and something bad will come from it. It's not going to effect 99.99% of people, but someone will be harmed by this because we all know someone will take shit too far. Life is life, man. Can't run from it. Plenty of Internet celebrities make it through okay. What's so special about the Blizzard forums?
Because people go there to have a discussion, not become a public figure.
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Hell, we might as well just open this right up, display your gender, age, email, local street address, when you're away from home, when you're home alone (for the kid's accounts)
No I don't think there will be much of a direct risk by putting your name on things like this, but I cannot see the benefits (there are some decent benefits) outweighing the horrible bad. One of the things I can see happening is people dedicated to trolling going into a thread, and post a link to each person's FB page or other publicly available information.
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I like it. People need to learn to take reponsibility for theit actions.
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He deleted his facebook page
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On July 07 2010 08:59 Slow Motion wrote:
BTW with anyone's real name I can find out their real address, phone numbers, and every past address in less than 5 min.
Not everyone has access to certain databases, but those that do can easily find quite a lot of information about someone based on their real name.
Jim O'Hearn. gogogogogogo
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On July 07 2010 08:46 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 08:43 MuTT wrote:
Dang you are a high level troll. Perhaps i shall use my power to appeal to the rest of the people that you are as smart as a lemming. The problem is that you are only thinking about yourself. Your name may (or may not ) be secure but it is a fact that many people on bnet are not secure. So what this change does is endangers them (they can be harrassed) to help stop the troll problem (which is only solved by moderation because trolls can take many forms -ie you). Because this isn't a good response to this problem i am here enlightening people to make sure that they are careful with their information (see my first post). Bashiok had the same thinking to you... and he didn't come out so lucky Wait a minute? I'm a troll? LOLOLOLOLOL. I have over 1300 posts on here and about 80% of them are useful info that contributed to community. I have started the largest SC streaming network in the world. Yes I'm a hardcore troll. Stop being all butthurt cause I owned your ass on a public forum. I think the problem comes with people not understanding privacy settings....
I think you need to realise that you're only thinking of yourself and not the wider implications. You might not think that your name is valuable information. But other people who are vulnerable do have good reasons to keep their information private. For example people in professional jobs where personal reputations matter a lot (doctors, lawyers and accountants). Or people in witness protection programs. Or children.
While the average joe, in an average situation does not need to be worried, you can never predict the future. To cite a very possible example, you meet this girl and the two of you hit off. You trade facebook contacts, and while poking around on the internet she finds out that you're a huge wow nerd and that basically kills your chances with her. Yes, this is a banal and pretty dumb example. I purposely thought of it simply since it shows how everyday interaction can result in some pretty dumb nonsense. Now imagine if the stakes were higher, and if there were a job on the line for example.
Couple these concerns with the fact that trolls can be handled in much less invasive ways. A rating system for forum posts much like how the gawker sites operate does not require extra moderation from the blizzard term, and instead lets the community moderate itself.
The fact that you're an online personality with private information all over the internet doesn't mean that the rest of us should be made to do the same thing simply to post on a forum. So maybe, and in all respect, you might want to get over yourself.
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On July 07 2010 08:55 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 08:45 ScienceRob wrote:
Regarding Iccup.Diamond and Nony, despite the fact you are valued members of this community I don't think you guys doing anything but playing devil's advocate. You are arguing against the tide but I have yet to hear a good reason to implement this system. Comparing this new system with a doctor's office is idiotic to say the least. On the open forums thousands of people can see your posts and react, increasing the chance for a negative outcome, as has been discussed. This is simply not even close to being the case for a doctor's office. Political commentators? Religious figures? Basically anyone with a big audience who has a strong opinion about any hot topic? Husky and HD have millions of views? Day[9] basically has a cult?
Sorry for derailing this but that kinda cracked me up :D
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On July 07 2010 09:00 xilaratu wrote:Show nested quote +so that blizzard can see that this is even more retarded then no chat channels +no crossrealm play, and then change it like they did for those. Are they actually changing these things? O_O
yes, they have confirmed that there will be chat channels and the ability to play on the other gateways released in a patch post-release.
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On July 07 2010 08:40 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 08:30 Whomp wrote:
You guy's realize that every move that blizzard has made with starcraft 2 was to make it successful as a E-sport
They are dropping everything they can that tarnishes the name of video games, and this is exactly what we as a competitive scene want. I know that chat rooms and ID's have real meaning to us, and can be viable at times but they also come with a heavy toll.
I always have a hard time believing that everyone here is so ignorant that they immediately see something and react. Think a little bit, this entire thread garners enough proof for real name's alone.
1000 members got annoyed by your post, and are browsing your real name to send spam now. What do you expect from it? Anybody with dedication to Trolling will make a fake name anyway, and even if they couldn't then they would just move to spamming.
Dedicated Trolls will Troll - they will be dealt with
Average person with identity revealed will not be prompted as likely - easier to discern who to ban
This alone means containment and they can now justify policing, before everyone was viable to troll so it was hard to throw down the hammer
Facebook integration - real ID's - Professionalism - Financial Investment
Blizzard wants e-sports more then you do, they have WOW that finances this risk. They are the only company that could push it to this level in North America. It's a venue that they see gain and they will make it happen, what your seeing is forced maturity in the community whether we like it or not. It's like leaving College ball to go pro, they arn't going to allow your bullshit to ruin their game.
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On July 07 2010 08:48 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 08:13 InfiniteIce wrote:On July 07 2010 08:01 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 07 2010 07:46 InfiniteIce wrote:On July 07 2010 07:41 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 07 2010 07:29 InfiniteIce wrote:On July 07 2010 07:25 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:22 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 07:08 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:07 baskerville wrote:
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good for you, how bout kids who don't know better and are careless about what they divulge online? blizz/activision are setting a dangerous standard for game forums
And what stopped kids from doing this before...? ohhh nothing you are so spot on now they'll do it thinking it's expected, that's hardly an improvement since the launch of the internet the proper authorities have declared endlessly that the ONLY way to protect people from the dangers of the internet is to prevent (mostly kids and fragile people but it concerns everyone) from divulging their identity online (and any other info that are liable to be used by dangerous people) ... it's the only way that the professionals advocate, who are we to disagree? First of all, young kids can't legally post on a public forum with their real names. Second, how on earth did you decide that, because the Blizzard forums are real-name-only, everyone is going to assume that addresses and school names are also OK to share? At this point I SERIOUSLY doubt that you are reading this thread at all. READ WHAT HAPPENED TO BASHIOK BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR NEXT REPLY. It is very evident that you do not have to share your address and phone number etc., in order for people to find it using only your full name. PLEASE. READ ABOUT BASHIOK BEFORE YOU REPLY. Seriously. Thanks. Edit: link for everybody's convenience, though it's been posted before. http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function?gr_i_ni I don't understand... is this sarcastic? Nothing happened to Bashiok in the link you provided. No public news, to be sure. I highly doubt that he is currently at peace though, Nony. I'm an hour away from Bash. I'm half tempted to go say what's up. People in this thread already state they have called/texted Bash. How many internet retards does it take to go beat up Bashiok? Surely I don't have to explain what happens when you post your info on 4chan. Some of it is national news-worthy... This is going the same route. I just don't think that people should be harassed, outside of the internet, for stating their opinion over the internet. The internet should deal with the internet. I mean, are you willing to post your contact info publicly, as a moderately well-known person in the community? I wouldn't be.. It has been available for years. All the top players' names have been known for years. Anyone who has participated in WCG has had their name published. Same with TSL. Hell, teamliquid.net has a database with that info. And beyond players, the names of commentators, news writers, fan site staff, Blizzard employees, etc are known. The addresses and real names of all the progamers in Korea are known. People harass Bashiok now because they're assholes who are mad for reasons that they can't even explain, not because they couldn't harass Bashiok before. If you don't think people should be harassed for publicly stating an opinion, then encourage the victims of harassment to report incidents to law enforcement. That shit isn't legal. Are you implying that it is then okay/fine for Blizzard's new RealName policy then? And that instead of trying to stop it at the source, we should "encourage the victims of harassment to report incidents to law enforcement"? If so, I really don't agree with this...I'm not saying that to imply that we shouldn't encourage that, or report it ourselves...but if it's a trade-off between "who cares, dont worry about it, or else report it"... It is illegal. Having all this information simply makes the illegal more easy. I'm just not sure I get where you're coming from. There seems to be this general sentiment of "hey, my name's out there, and nothing bad happened to me, you'll be fine too" in this thread. Not just specifically from you, of course... The gamers you might piss off are other people whose names are generally known. If you 4pooled (just an example. I know you can't 4pool with Protoss.) somebody in the TSL, and they wanted to grief you, I expect that either the fear of retaliation, or disqualification, or, as you suggest (rightly so), involvement of law enforcement would most likely deter them from doing anything to you. But you're surrounded by these players. Not everybody is... And not everybody is White, in a White state. Or male. Or straight. Or tactful. That doesn't mean they deserve shit for what happens in a VIDEO GAME. The deterrence from griefing somebody, as provided by any of the above factors, is relatively negligible when you know your victim's name, but they know nothing about you... I'm just not sure I understand the point of view that seems to be implied as "My name's out there, so what?" I think a lot of people have lost sight of reality. This is a video game. You shouldn't be fucked with for shit you do on a video game. Keep in mind that you can anonymously play their game and also anonymously discuss their game as much as you want. The only thing you can't do anonymously is post on Blizzard's forums. If you think people shouldn't be fucked with for something they do on a video game, then don't fuck with anyone for anything they do on a video game. People who would harass Bashiok to prove a point are not only missing the point, they're revealing themselves as hypocrites. They don't want to be victims of harassment so they harass other people? They shouldn't be vulnerable to harassment by posting on Blizzard's forums, but Bashiok should be harassed because... why? It's not that I'm saying that my name is out there, or even that there are hundreds of people in the SC community with their names out there, it's that there is nothing new going on here when you compare it to non-gaming examples. People who are outspoken about political issues and religious issues, two topics where things get a hell of a lot more heated than video games, have been putting their names and controversial opinions out there for thousands and even millions of people to hear. They don't know the identity of every single person who listens to them. They get by.
I don't fuck with people who do things on a video game.
I don't harass Bash.
It only takes one crazy fuck to knife somebody. It's not me. And that's what worries me.
'Cause I don't know who it is.
PS: The Pope travels in a fucking bulletproof glass car.
Do I really need to say more..?
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On July 07 2010 08:55 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 08:45 ScienceRob wrote:
Regarding Iccup.Diamond and Nony, despite the fact you are valued members of this community I don't think you guys doing anything but playing devil's advocate. You are arguing against the tide but I have yet to hear a good reason to implement this system. Comparing this new system with a doctor's office is idiotic to say the least. On the open forums thousands of people can see your posts and react, increasing the chance for a negative outcome, as has been discussed. This is simply not even close to being the case for a doctor's office. Political commentators? Religious figures? Basically anyone with a big audience who has a strong opinion about any hot topic? Husky and HD have millions of views? Day[9] basically has a cult?
Do not dare argue with my fellow scientist! (are you a science major rob cuz i am ) Are you saying that it is okay for people to be harassed because people like the pope "get by". You are admitting that this happens but saying it is okay because it happens else where. This is like taking away the police because people who choose not to defend themselves are killed elsewhere in the world. I hope this wasn't the same reasoning you used to create your phoenix build. Think about things in terms of benefits and loses.
Benefits: slight (i mean very slight) hindrance to trolls
Loses: People are now vulnerable to being harassed and now there names are connected to the forums making things like job placement (however slightly) harder.
If you think this is a good trade then I will change fav protoss players!
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Your post wasn't coherent enough for me to derive your point, Nony, so I will have to put words in your mouth. I think you were trying to say that people who have huge followings and do not seem to become victims of the crazed Internet.
Its true, that it doesn't happen frequently, I will concede that point. However the fact is that it does occur. The world is a dangerous place with sociopaths who will kill you for killing one too many scvs if given the chance. Why allow these rare individuals more tools to locate their potential victims? Why allow a future employer to see information that you would not like to have at their fingertips? You are supporting Blizzard in this yet I have yet to see you raise a valid point in thread. Speak now or concede you do not have a valid point to raise: If this system is implemented how is it beneficial to the STarcraft II community?
Edit: Yes. I am a Biology Major(Intrigued with cellular biology at the moment).
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Plenty of Internet celebrities make it through okay. What's so special about the Blizzard forums?
You're right, plenty do.
And plenty others get stalked and pestered to no end.
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What don't people get? Most people do NOT WANT to be FORCED to disclose their real name. I should have the option of AT LEAST blocking out my name so it says SXXXXXCXXXXX s and c being my initials, and the rest of my name is blocked out. Not doing so is invasion of privacy - simple. Not giving users the choice one way or the other is wrong. Those of you who can't understand that I think are beyond hope.
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