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Lightshows
United States58 Posts
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On July 07 2010 08:43 Regulate140 wrote: Lots of crazy people online. Glad to know Blizzard is making these types of things easier then ever. From Article: "Julien Barreaux, 20, told police he wanted to see his rival player "wiped out" after his character in the game Counter-Strike died in a virtual knife fight. A court in Cambrai, northern France, heard how Barreaux plotted revenge for seven months after the online "killing" last November. " http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/7771505/Video-game-fanatic-hunts-down-and-stabs-rival-player-who-killed-character-online.html I wouldn't be at all surprised if the kid gave his home address to the other and dared him to come get him. Bad judgement + crazy bastard on the other end = bad times. | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
On July 07 2010 08:13 InfiniteIce wrote: Are you implying that it is then okay/fine for Blizzard's new RealName policy then? And that instead of trying to stop it at the source, we should "encourage the victims of harassment to report incidents to law enforcement"? If so, I really don't agree with this...I'm not saying that to imply that we shouldn't encourage that, or report it ourselves...but if it's a trade-off between "who cares, dont worry about it, or else report it"... It is illegal. Having all this information simply makes the illegal more easy. I'm just not sure I get where you're coming from. There seems to be this general sentiment of "hey, my name's out there, and nothing bad happened to me, you'll be fine too" in this thread. Not just specifically from you, of course... The gamers you might piss off are other people whose names are generally known. If you 4pooled (just an example. I know you can't 4pool with Protoss.) somebody in the TSL, and they wanted to grief you, I expect that either the fear of retaliation, or disqualification, or, as you suggest (rightly so), involvement of law enforcement would most likely deter them from doing anything to you. But you're surrounded by these players. Not everybody is... And not everybody is White, in a White state. Or male. Or straight. Or tactful. That doesn't mean they deserve shit for what happens in a VIDEO GAME. The deterrence from griefing somebody, as provided by any of the above factors, is relatively negligible when you know your victim's name, but they know nothing about you... I'm just not sure I understand the point of view that seems to be implied as "My name's out there, so what?" I think a lot of people have lost sight of reality. This is a video game. You shouldn't be fucked with for shit you do on a video game. Keep in mind that you can anonymously play their game and also anonymously discuss their game as much as you want. The only thing you can't do anonymously is post on Blizzard's forums. If you think people shouldn't be fucked with for something they do on a video game, then don't fuck with anyone for anything they do on a video game. People who would harass Bashiok to prove a point are not only missing the point, they're revealing themselves as hypocrites. They don't want to be victims of harassment so they harass other people? They shouldn't be vulnerable to harassment by posting on Blizzard's forums, but Bashiok should be harassed because... why? It's not that I'm saying that my name is out there, or even that there are hundreds of people in the SC community with their names out there, it's that there is nothing new going on here when you compare it to non-gaming examples. People who are outspoken about political issues and religious issues, two topics where things get a hell of a lot more heated than video games, have been putting their names and controversial opinions out there for thousands and even millions of people to hear. They don't know the identity of every single person who listens to them. They get by. | ||
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Thor-axe the Impaler
United States331 Posts
On July 07 2010 01:13 Archerofaiur wrote: And. Here. We. Go. Amazing quote  Ok so does this mean we will see Blues Real Names too? I think it's only fair.... | ||
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kajeus
United States679 Posts
On July 07 2010 08:44 Last Romantic wrote: You know, the fact that they got the wrong dude with Bashiok's name is another negative against Blizzard - even with such a rare name, confusion is still possible; thus, we have the realistic possibility of hate crimes against TOTALLY UNRELATED people. Isn't that a doozy. And that can happen to anyone ANYWHERE, even without the Internet. This has NOTHING to do with Blizzard, and everything to do with weirdos trying to make a point. Seriously, how can you people have the nerve to blame Blizzard for stupid people's random lynch mobs? Anyone can do that ANYWHERE! | ||
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Laconic
United States32 Posts
On July 07 2010 08:44 Last Romantic wrote: You know, the fact that they got the wrong dude with Bashiok's name is another negative against Blizzard - even with such a rare name, confusion is still possible; thus, we have the realistic possibility of hate crimes against TOTALLY UNRELATED people. It's a negative against the loonies who sent him text messages, but I don't see how it's Blizzard's fault that their employees have names which other people also have. If I tell you that my name is Jeremiah Smith and you call up a Jeremiah to harass him, how is it my fault? I dunno, I think I am not going to be able to read coverage of this until people settle down a bit. There is a bit too much anger flying around at the moment. | ||
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Tozar
United States245 Posts
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MuTT
United States398 Posts
On July 07 2010 08:45 ScienceRob wrote: Regarding Iccup.Diamond and Nony, despite the fact you are valued members of this community I don't think you guys doing anything but playing devil's advocate. You are arguing against the tide but I have yet to hear a good reason to implement this system. Comparing this new system with a doctor's office is idiotic to say the least. On the open forums thousands of people can see your posts and react, increasing the chance for a negative outcome, as has been discussed. This is simply not even close to being the case for a doctor's office. Another defender of the truth - my heart has been warmed. and diamond by calling you a troll i was obviously implying the more likely case that you are simply "misinformed". i didn't say i was am able to take YOUR name and get a phone number out of it i am saying i can do that to SOME people. Now pay attention because I am tired of repeating myself. Blizzard is endangering SOME note the word SOME now okay! people by making this change. Regardless of whether they should have their personal information accessible through google (or the paid search sites that do a much better job) is irrelevant because some people actually need to have it on there like monster.com What they dont want that information to be used for is for people who disagree with them on a gaming forum. Arguing for reason isn't easy, but thats why i do it. | ||
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fyyer
United States145 Posts
On July 07 2010 08:32 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Lol you are sooooooooo far from "crushing my weak mind". Ok all Blizzard is showing is your name. So here you go: Patrick F Soulliere II. Do your worst. http://www.myspace.com/diamondback2 V.I. Double P in the HIZOUSE! So now I got your name, age, and approx address. Your interest includes pot, mma, "just chillin", and video games. Ofcourse I'm not gonna waste money on further details, but it's really stupid to be able to find people just based on name alone, unless they themselves warrant it. | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
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RageOverdose
United States690 Posts
On July 07 2010 08:48 Liquid`NonY wrote: Keep in mind that you can anonymously play their game and also anonymously discuss their game as much as you want. The only thing you can't do anonymously is post on Blizzard's forums. If you think people shouldn't be fucked with for something they do on a video game, then don't fuck with anyone for anything they do on a video game. People who would harass Bashiok to prove a point are not only missing the point, they're revealing themselves as hypocrites. They don't want to be victims of harassment so they harass other people? They shouldn't be vulnerable to harassment by posting on Blizzard's forums, but Bashiok should be harassed because... why? It's not that I'm saying that my name is out there, or even that there are hundreds of people in the SC community with their names out there, it's that there is nothing new going on here when you compare it to non-gaming examples. People who are outspoken about political issues and religious issues, two topics where things get a hell of a lot more heated than video games, have been putting their names and controversial opinions out there for thousands and even millions of people to hear. They don't know the identity of every single person who listens to them. They get by. That's what I don't get. People are trying to prove a point, which doesn't prove anything, but challenging people to put their info up. They're proving it's easy to get info. I don't think that's the issue, as much as it is what people are realistically going to do. Apparently everyone thinks everyone else is going to hurt them in some way if they cheese. I think people are overreacting with paranoia. | ||
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Sealteam
Australia296 Posts
On July 07 2010 08:46 Piski wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2010 08:43 Regulate140 wrote: Lots of crazy people online. Glad to know Blizzard is making these types of things easier then ever. From Article: "Julien Barreaux, 20, told police he wanted to see his rival player "wiped out" after his character in the game Counter-Strike died in a virtual knife fight. A court in Cambrai, northern France, heard how Barreaux plotted revenge for seven months after the online "killing" last November. " http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/7771505/Video-game-fanatic-hunts-down-and-stabs-rival-player-who-killed-character-online.html Well that just tells you that if someone wants to find you and kill you, he can. But I guess I'm lucky that I have one of the most common russian names and lastnames and I don't have a second name. I'm like waldo in a waldo crowd What that tells me is that there is in fact ONE crazy person on the internet. Sure there are probably more, but this is extrapolation at its worst. I fully support blizzard's decision to remove the 100% anonymity from the Battle.net forums, if you want anonymity go to 4-chan and see how people act when they are anonymous. Quantity will go down, quality will go up (at least in some respects, people will still be plain wrong). In real, every day life, you are far more likely to piss someone off and have them kill you than you are to do so on the internet. So should we all wear masks and use false names at work? School? In everything? My real name is Nick Cocklin, I live in Australia, and I'm not a paranoid schizophrenic therefore I don't believe everyone, or for that matter, anyone, wants to kill me, and I've fragged many a noob in my time. I don't believe having your name shared when you choose to post is a privacy issue in this situation. | ||
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
On July 07 2010 08:44 OrgaDale wrote: Now there are consequences for your actions considering your real name is given abroad to all users. I feel the same about chat channels in SC2. Yes they are needed, however, bitching and moaning about chat channels is... well, whatever. It's not a big deal. Same for RealID. This is about the community growing together and developing into a real sport. One that cannot be frowned upon due to the acceptance of computer games in all cultures. Consequences for doing what exactly? How many people get frustrated becouse you had "rushed" him, or becouse you had made somebody "look stupid" by proving him wrong or any other ridiculous reason? You people are so naive it will not affect trolls at all, people that plan to troll will not use RealID, and will use they spam e-mail. | ||
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
I personally will never make a post on the blizzard forums ever again if it will be displaying my name, and I hope there are enough people who think the same (it looks that way right now) so that blizzard can see that this is even more retarded then no chat channels +no crossrealm play, and then change it like they did for those. | ||
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Shirolol
England504 Posts
On July 07 2010 08:52 fyyer wrote: So now I got your name, age, and approx address. You were previously in Sterling Heights. Your interest includes pot, mma, "just chillin", and video games. So.... What? I don't see what that was meant to prove, apart from showing how you can do nothing with his name. | ||
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NonY
8748 Posts
On July 07 2010 08:45 ScienceRob wrote: Regarding Iccup.Diamond and Nony, despite the fact you are valued members of this community I don't think you guys doing anything but playing devil's advocate. You are arguing against the tide but I have yet to hear a good reason to implement this system. Comparing this new system with a doctor's office is idiotic to say the least. On the open forums thousands of people can see your posts and react, increasing the chance for a negative outcome, as has been discussed. This is simply not even close to being the case for a doctor's office. Political commentators? Religious figures? Basically anyone with a big audience who has a strong opinion about any hot topic? Husky and HD have millions of views? Day[9] basically has a cult? | ||
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MuTT
United States398 Posts
On July 07 2010 08:52 fyyer wrote: http://www.myspace.com/diamondback2 V.I. Double P in the HIZOUSE! So now I got your name, age, and approx address. You were previously in Sterling Heights. Your interest includes pot, mma, "just chillin", and video games. Ofcourse I'm not gonna waste money on further details, but it's really stupid to be able to find people just based on name alone, unless they themselves warrant it. Thank you for helping me combat ignorance on these forums and yes Diamond it turns out that you are the one that lost... infront of everybody. If only i had a rap crew to say BURNNED and step on your sneakers and call you a fool. sigh one can dream... one can dream | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
In any case I don't think this is the way to do it and even if it maybe is in the end this is way way way too early. I won't post on the forums again. Afaik I'm the only one in the world with my name (atleast it is in Sweden for sure) and I'm a private guy so this just sucks for me. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
The chances of being harassed are small. No one is debating that. However, with these changes the chances are there where as now they are not. The fact is that is expedites harassment and something bad will come from it. It's not going to effect 99.99% of people, but someone will be harmed by this because we all know someone will take shit too far. edit: And comparing a forum poster to a public figure is a stretch. People just want to go somewhere to discuss stuff, not become a public figure. | ||
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