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On July 07 2010 08:00 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 07:29 InfiniteIce wrote:On July 07 2010 07:25 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:22 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 07:08 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:07 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 06:49 Shirolol wrote:
I honestly don't see what the problem is at all, why would I care if someone knows where I live and what my name is? Or anything about me for that matter.
I think you're all being a tad paranoid here talking about e-stalking and the likes, this change means nothing apart from the people that act like tumors might stop now - and is that a bad thing? I don't think it is.
Either way I never post on the blizzard forums, it provides nothing I can't get elsewhere - and generally of a higher quality. (Here, for example.) good for you, how bout kids who don't know better and are careless about what they divulge online? blizz/activision are setting a dangerous standard for game forums And what stopped kids from doing this before...? ohhh nothing you are so spot on now they'll do it thinking it's expected, that's hardly an improvement since the launch of the internet the proper authorities have declared endlessly that the ONLY way to protect people from the dangers of the internet is to prevent (mostly kids and fragile people but it concerns everyone) from divulging their identity online (and any other info that are liable to be used by dangerous people) ... it's the only way that the professionals advocate, who are we to disagree? First of all, young kids can't legally post on a public forum with their real names. Second, how on earth did you decide that, because the Blizzard forums are real-name-only, everyone is going to assume that addresses and school names are also OK to share? At this point I SERIOUSLY doubt that you are reading this thread at all. READ WHAT HAPPENED TO BASHIOK BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR NEXT REPLY. It is very evident that you do not have to share your address and phone number etc., in order for people to find it using only your full name. PLEASE. READ ABOUT BASHIOK BEFORE YOU REPLY. Seriously. Thanks. Edit: link for everybody's convenience, though it's been posted before. http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function?gr_i_ni That's not Bashiok's info. Lakeport is 500 miles away from Irvine. It's some other Micah Whipple. Read the comments on the wowriot post, the guy even admitted it's the wrong guy.
So some completly random guy has been getting 1000s of disturbing phone calls flaming him for no reason? Yay that makes me feel much better about this whole thing -.-
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On July 07 2010 08:01 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 07:46 InfiniteIce wrote:On July 07 2010 07:41 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 07 2010 07:29 InfiniteIce wrote:On July 07 2010 07:25 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:22 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 07:08 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:07 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 06:49 Shirolol wrote:
I honestly don't see what the problem is at all, why would I care if someone knows where I live and what my name is? Or anything about me for that matter.
I think you're all being a tad paranoid here talking about e-stalking and the likes, this change means nothing apart from the people that act like tumors might stop now - and is that a bad thing? I don't think it is.
Either way I never post on the blizzard forums, it provides nothing I can't get elsewhere - and generally of a higher quality. (Here, for example.) good for you, how bout kids who don't know better and are careless about what they divulge online? blizz/activision are setting a dangerous standard for game forums And what stopped kids from doing this before...? ohhh nothing you are so spot on now they'll do it thinking it's expected, that's hardly an improvement since the launch of the internet the proper authorities have declared endlessly that the ONLY way to protect people from the dangers of the internet is to prevent (mostly kids and fragile people but it concerns everyone) from divulging their identity online (and any other info that are liable to be used by dangerous people) ... it's the only way that the professionals advocate, who are we to disagree? First of all, young kids can't legally post on a public forum with their real names. Second, how on earth did you decide that, because the Blizzard forums are real-name-only, everyone is going to assume that addresses and school names are also OK to share? At this point I SERIOUSLY doubt that you are reading this thread at all. READ WHAT HAPPENED TO BASHIOK BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR NEXT REPLY. It is very evident that you do not have to share your address and phone number etc., in order for people to find it using only your full name. PLEASE. READ ABOUT BASHIOK BEFORE YOU REPLY. Seriously. Thanks. Edit: link for everybody's convenience, though it's been posted before. http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function?gr_i_ni I don't understand... is this sarcastic? Nothing happened to Bashiok in the link you provided. No public news, to be sure. I highly doubt that he is currently at peace though, Nony. I'm an hour away from Bash. I'm half tempted to go say what's up. People in this thread already state they have called/texted Bash. How many internet retards does it take to go beat up Bashiok? Surely I don't have to explain what happens when you post your info on 4chan. Some of it is national news-worthy... This is going the same route. I just don't think that people should be harassed, outside of the internet, for stating their opinion over the internet. The internet should deal with the internet. I mean, are you willing to post your contact info publicly, as a moderately well-known person in the community? I wouldn't be.. It has been available for years. All the top players' names have been known for years. Anyone who has participated in WCG has had their name published. Same with TSL. Hell, teamliquid.net has a database with that info. And beyond players, the names of commentators, news writers, fan site staff, Blizzard employees, etc are known. The addresses and real names of all the progamers in Korea are known. People harass Bashiok now because they're assholes who are mad for reasons that they can't even explain, not because they couldn't harass Bashiok before. If you don't think people should be harassed for publicly stating an opinion, then encourage the victims of harassment to report incidents to law enforcement. That shit isn't legal.
I already have way too many posts in this thread, but I wanna latch onto the NonY train here.
I agree with this 100%.
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On July 07 2010 07:44 Shirolol wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 07:36 baskerville wrote:
is it really ridiculous to try and protect people from worse things than troll rants and spams?
is it ridiculous for people to ask that blizz keeps its standards for the sake of kids and adults alike...
maybe you can't imagine what bad things could ensue, personally i'm not as optimistic as you are and i think the slippery slope is just beginning ...
Your argument of: There will be a mass genocide because people can see other peoples names, does not work. I can see where you are coming from BUT at the same time what is stopping me from going out right now and killing the first person I see? Nothing is, but I don't. And 99.9% of the world doesn't either. Anyone that was going to do something like that will do it whether they can see my name in a blizzard forum or not, because they are mentally unstable. Not because one of my favourite movies is Blues Brothers.
sorry to see you stroll past the fact that this trend is dangerous and that we should try to prevent it,
dangerous people do awful things (lethal or just hurtful), the only way to try and prevent it is to not facilitate their behavior
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On July 07 2010 08:00 Last Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 07:15 heishe wrote:On July 07 2010 07:12 Kennigit wrote:On July 07 2010 07:03 heishe wrote:lol this is so fucking good. I hope he gets stormed with phone calls now. Don't wish that. He's a cool guy. PR storm :x ah you're right, bashiok is pretty cool. still fucking funny though, he got owned. Comes off as dickish at times. To be honest, though, if there was backlash against him, it would increase the pressure on Blizzard to not implement such an astronomically imbecilic programme.
I agree with you wise one. It is to be expected though as you presumably go to the same school i graudated from <3
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On July 07 2010 08:00 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 07:29 InfiniteIce wrote:On July 07 2010 07:25 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:22 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 07:08 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:07 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 06:49 Shirolol wrote:
I honestly don't see what the problem is at all, why would I care if someone knows where I live and what my name is? Or anything about me for that matter.
I think you're all being a tad paranoid here talking about e-stalking and the likes, this change means nothing apart from the people that act like tumors might stop now - and is that a bad thing? I don't think it is.
Either way I never post on the blizzard forums, it provides nothing I can't get elsewhere - and generally of a higher quality. (Here, for example.) good for you, how bout kids who don't know better and are careless about what they divulge online? blizz/activision are setting a dangerous standard for game forums And what stopped kids from doing this before...? ohhh nothing you are so spot on now they'll do it thinking it's expected, that's hardly an improvement since the launch of the internet the proper authorities have declared endlessly that the ONLY way to protect people from the dangers of the internet is to prevent (mostly kids and fragile people but it concerns everyone) from divulging their identity online (and any other info that are liable to be used by dangerous people) ... it's the only way that the professionals advocate, who are we to disagree? First of all, young kids can't legally post on a public forum with their real names. Second, how on earth did you decide that, because the Blizzard forums are real-name-only, everyone is going to assume that addresses and school names are also OK to share? At this point I SERIOUSLY doubt that you are reading this thread at all. READ WHAT HAPPENED TO BASHIOK BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR NEXT REPLY. It is very evident that you do not have to share your address and phone number etc., in order for people to find it using only your full name. PLEASE. READ ABOUT BASHIOK BEFORE YOU REPLY. Seriously. Thanks. Edit: link for everybody's convenience, though it's been posted before. http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function?gr_i_ni That's not Bashiok's info. Lakeport is 500 miles away from Irvine. It's some other Micah Whipple. Read the comments on the wowriot post, the guy even admitted it's the wrong guy.
That's a pretty big flop right there.
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On July 07 2010 08:00 fatduck wrote:
I don't understand this. Obviously internet retards aren't going to go around harassing others in person, because a.) they're cowards and b.) they probably don't live anywhere near the person. They will use one of dozens of real life griefing tactics available to them over the internet, with complete anonymity, as detailed in my previous post.
Aha! Well you see that is not what many people are arguing with me about, they are claiming that people are now at risk due to this change. I don't doubt that MAYBE some kids will rage that they got beaten 10 times in a row by the same guy that they go and find out his address, then spend an hour making a pasta letter to him saying he is going to die tomorrow. But i'm not sure if that's extreme enough for the average person to care - he spent more time attempting to 'grief' me then it takes me to just ignore them completely.
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Retarded idea by Blizz, imo. Won't stop the forums from being a troll-infestation. They should simply get some mods that know what they're doing and get rid of those not abiding by the rules..
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This can happen... and it will happen.
It happen in a country with less than 5 million people, why will not happen in WoW + Starcraft + Diablo world that gathers more than 12 million people ?
--- Taken from a WoW user post ---
I will post here an example of something you will be risking to with this new system so the devs have in mind this veri possible risk they'll put the community.
"Who do you think you are dammit. I'll show you, nobody says all those things and get away with it, because I AM RIGHT, i am ALWAYS right and everything you just said is just wrong. Let's see what can I do about it.. Ah! I can see your real first and last name from your post mmh *thinking*..
-A few minutes later, in some message board.
Anonymous says:
Sup /random place in the internet/, this guy over here is a stupid fella who keeps saying wrong things and just wont accept my ways, which of course are the right ones, think you can do something about it? here's his name: _______.
-Some other people reads the above posts and starts replying:
Anonymous says:
Ok, I found his facebook, here it is. Here's his old highschool, too.
Anonymous says:
I got his telephone number and adress.
Anonymous says:
I got his relatives' info
Anonymous says:
Ok, let get this started. I'll do the prank calls, you do the pizza delivery orders to his house, Anon #3 do the death threath calls. Get your proxys ready and let's go to skype, make sure we're recording this.
-The plan goes off smoothly and the person who was argueing about mage's mechanichs got fast food delivered to his house, prank calls at 4am and death threaths calls (telling him his adress and relatives' real names). All anonymous' laughs with success."
All the above is a dramatization of what can happen just by semeone who's nerd raging at you (or any other reason) gets your name. The example from above CAN happen, some internet hubs have done it and still do it today starting with way less information than a real first and last name, and even for less relevant motives than semeone discussing world of warcraft (being ugly, for example)
Most likely it won't phisically affect you: you can ignore prank calls, you can tell the delivery boys that you didn't order anything, and death threaths are not serious. But still, prank calls will annoy you, deliveries that you didn't order will annoy you, and death threaths, even if are obviously fake, will scare the .... out of you. And no, you will never know who was the responsable for any of this because they will use anonymity, and you can't request help from the police in any way because people who do this use proxys and such tools to hide any personal information
This is what you will be exposing yourself if you agree to post in these forums under the upcoming new terms where your real name will always be visible in your posts.
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On July 07 2010 08:00 Excalibur_Z wrote:
That's not Bashiok's info. Lakeport is 500 miles away from Irvine. It's some other Micah Whipple.
Read the comments on the wowriot post, the guy even admitted it's the wrong guy.
This makes it so much better. Some random guy is getting harassed solely for having the same name as someone, who posted on a forum. And blizzard wants people to be identified by their name. But its okay, no harm can come from a something public like a name.
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On July 07 2010 08:01 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 07:46 InfiniteIce wrote:On July 07 2010 07:41 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 07 2010 07:29 InfiniteIce wrote:On July 07 2010 07:25 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:22 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 07:08 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:07 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 06:49 Shirolol wrote:
I honestly don't see what the problem is at all, why would I care if someone knows where I live and what my name is? Or anything about me for that matter.
I think you're all being a tad paranoid here talking about e-stalking and the likes, this change means nothing apart from the people that act like tumors might stop now - and is that a bad thing? I don't think it is.
Either way I never post on the blizzard forums, it provides nothing I can't get elsewhere - and generally of a higher quality. (Here, for example.) good for you, how bout kids who don't know better and are careless about what they divulge online? blizz/activision are setting a dangerous standard for game forums And what stopped kids from doing this before...? ohhh nothing you are so spot on now they'll do it thinking it's expected, that's hardly an improvement since the launch of the internet the proper authorities have declared endlessly that the ONLY way to protect people from the dangers of the internet is to prevent (mostly kids and fragile people but it concerns everyone) from divulging their identity online (and any other info that are liable to be used by dangerous people) ... it's the only way that the professionals advocate, who are we to disagree? First of all, young kids can't legally post on a public forum with their real names. Second, how on earth did you decide that, because the Blizzard forums are real-name-only, everyone is going to assume that addresses and school names are also OK to share? At this point I SERIOUSLY doubt that you are reading this thread at all. READ WHAT HAPPENED TO BASHIOK BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR NEXT REPLY. It is very evident that you do not have to share your address and phone number etc., in order for people to find it using only your full name. PLEASE. READ ABOUT BASHIOK BEFORE YOU REPLY. Seriously. Thanks. Edit: link for everybody's convenience, though it's been posted before. http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function?gr_i_ni I don't understand... is this sarcastic? Nothing happened to Bashiok in the link you provided. No public news, to be sure. I highly doubt that he is currently at peace though, Nony. I'm an hour away from Bash. I'm half tempted to go say what's up. People in this thread already state they have called/texted Bash. How many internet retards does it take to go beat up Bashiok? Surely I don't have to explain what happens when you post your info on 4chan. Some of it is national news-worthy... This is going the same route. I just don't think that people should be harassed, outside of the internet, for stating their opinion over the internet. The internet should deal with the internet. I mean, are you willing to post your contact info publicly, as a moderately well-known person in the community? I wouldn't be.. It has been available for years. All the top players' names have been known for years. Anyone who has participated in WCG has had their name published. Same with TSL. Hell, teamliquid.net has a database with that info. And beyond players, the names of commentators, news writers, fan site staff, Blizzard employees, etc are known. The addresses and real names of all the progamers in Korea are known. People harass Bashiok now because they're assholes who are mad for reasons that they can't even explain, not because they couldn't harass Bashiok before. If you don't think people should be harassed for publicly stating an opinion, then encourage the victims of harassment to report incidents to law enforcement. That shit isn't legal.
A lot of people have offered very sensible explanations for why they are mad. Future employment issues among else.
Here's a repost of my personal explanation btw:
Using nothing but my full name it's possible to find my sisters name age and phone number, pictures of her, where she lives, where she goes to school, when she finishes school every day and the most likely route she will take home from school.
And my facebook profile is set to private btw.
I am soo not comfortable with publishing that information on a public internet forum and I can't understand why people can't seem to grasp this.
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On July 07 2010 08:01 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 07:46 InfiniteIce wrote:On July 07 2010 07:41 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 07 2010 07:29 InfiniteIce wrote:On July 07 2010 07:25 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:22 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 07:08 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:07 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 06:49 Shirolol wrote:
I honestly don't see what the problem is at all, why would I care if someone knows where I live and what my name is? Or anything about me for that matter.
I think you're all being a tad paranoid here talking about e-stalking and the likes, this change means nothing apart from the people that act like tumors might stop now - and is that a bad thing? I don't think it is.
Either way I never post on the blizzard forums, it provides nothing I can't get elsewhere - and generally of a higher quality. (Here, for example.) good for you, how bout kids who don't know better and are careless about what they divulge online? blizz/activision are setting a dangerous standard for game forums And what stopped kids from doing this before...? ohhh nothing you are so spot on now they'll do it thinking it's expected, that's hardly an improvement since the launch of the internet the proper authorities have declared endlessly that the ONLY way to protect people from the dangers of the internet is to prevent (mostly kids and fragile people but it concerns everyone) from divulging their identity online (and any other info that are liable to be used by dangerous people) ... it's the only way that the professionals advocate, who are we to disagree? First of all, young kids can't legally post on a public forum with their real names. Second, how on earth did you decide that, because the Blizzard forums are real-name-only, everyone is going to assume that addresses and school names are also OK to share? At this point I SERIOUSLY doubt that you are reading this thread at all. READ WHAT HAPPENED TO BASHIOK BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR NEXT REPLY. It is very evident that you do not have to share your address and phone number etc., in order for people to find it using only your full name. PLEASE. READ ABOUT BASHIOK BEFORE YOU REPLY. Seriously. Thanks. Edit: link for everybody's convenience, though it's been posted before. http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function?gr_i_ni I don't understand... is this sarcastic? Nothing happened to Bashiok in the link you provided. No public news, to be sure. I highly doubt that he is currently at peace though, Nony. I'm an hour away from Bash. I'm half tempted to go say what's up. People in this thread already state they have called/texted Bash. How many internet retards does it take to go beat up Bashiok? Surely I don't have to explain what happens when you post your info on 4chan. Some of it is national news-worthy... This is going the same route. I just don't think that people should be harassed, outside of the internet, for stating their opinion over the internet. The internet should deal with the internet. I mean, are you willing to post your contact info publicly, as a moderately well-known person in the community? I wouldn't be.. It has been available for years. All the top players' names have been known for years. Anyone who has participated in WCG has had their name published. Same with TSL. Hell, teamliquid.net has a database with that info. And beyond players, the names of commentators, news writers, fan site staff, Blizzard employees, etc are known. The addresses and real names of all the progamers in Korea are known. People harass Bashiok now because they're assholes who are mad for reasons that they can't even explain, not because they couldn't harass Bashiok before. If you don't think people should be harassed for publicly stating an opinion, then encourage the victims of harassment to report incidents to law enforcement. That shit isn't legal.
I can explain their reasons. and people shouldn't be harassed for publicly stating an opinion "think politics kid (i mean sir i am sorry forgive me) and think civil rights" And are you raelly trying to recommend police control the entire internet so stuff like this doesnt happen? I will no longer use your phoenix build anymore good sir!
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On July 07 2010 08:01 Liquid`NonY wrote:
If you don't think people should be harassed for publicly stating an opinion, then encourage the victims of harassment to report incidents to law enforcement. That shit isn't legal.
You don't seriously think that this is something people should have to deal with - particularly the Women of the forums who have a tough enough time as it is without people having access to their personal details or possibly photos - do you? Do you REALLY think that a system which allows for harassment that requires people to go to law enforcement over a gaming forum is a good idea?
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53 pages and counting :x
All I have to say is WTF to blizzard. It seems like a parade of WTFs lately.
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On July 07 2010 08:01 Liquid`NonY wrote:
It has been available for years. All the top players' names have been known for years. Anyone who has participated in WCG has had their name published. Same with TSL. Hell, teamliquid.net has a database with that info. And beyond players, the names of commentators, news writers, fan site staff, Blizzard employees, etc are known. The addresses and real names of all the progamers in Korea are known.
People harass Bashiok now because they're assholes who are mad for reasons that they can't even explain, not because they couldn't harass Bashiok before.
If you don't think people should be harassed for publicly stating an opinion, then encourage the victims of harassment to report incidents to law enforcement. That shit isn't legal.
The top players have also achieved a certain level of fame that comes along with their real names being known. Famous people are often exposed to harassment, it comes with the territory and they (hopefully) understand that and are prepared for it. However, if a Korean progamer were harassed it would be a more public situation and there would be resources to deal with it.
How often does the average player run into a BM opponent who curses and threatens them all game for their tactics/skill/whatever? You may only see behavior like that when you play idrA, but for the average player it is quite common. The same is true of the average forum participant. Now, instead of empty internet threats, maybe you get spammed with text messages, subscribed to some magazines, get 10 pizzas delivered to your house, etc. An angry internet hero could accomplish that in about 15 minutes and feel real good about "pwning you."
Sure, probably no one's gonna get stabbed or get rocks thrown at their windows, because those actions have consequences. But the point is, friending someone on B.Net or posting on the forums will now carry with it a little extra baggage of "man, I bet there's some idiot out there just typing every name on the forums into peoplefinder.com and laughing with his friends as they order 10 delivery foods to their house at the same time."
It might not happen to you, and it might not really ruin anyone's lives, but it's just going to make getting involved in SC2 annoying, isn't it? Is that something we want to disincentivize? If you want to have accountability on the forums, just ban players CD-Keys for forum offenses. Break a forum rule? Can't play Starcraft 2 any more. It seems, to me, really cowardly and sketchy of Blizzard to try to pawn off moderation on the "griefing potential" of the community.
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I am not sure if this has been linked but here
It seems bashiok gave out his real name, and someone found out where he lived, his phone number, his facebook and other personal information.
I realize that its only a bnet forum topic but there it is.
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Do all of you guys even use their forums? Wasn't there a poll thread where 90% of TL said they never posted there? Just stay posting here. Problem solved.
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The problem isn't the vast majority of people who use the forums, it's the 5 or 6 complete psychos out there who will track people down and harass them because they have nothing to do with their lives, 4chan anyone? Remember you don't have to be a forum member to view posts, therefore there's no reason to even think it would be other SC2 players finding out information about us, especially those with unique names (of which I'm luckily not, thanks mom and dad).
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On July 07 2010 08:07 indczn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 08:00 Excalibur_Z wrote:
That's not Bashiok's info. Lakeport is 500 miles away from Irvine. It's some other Micah Whipple.
Read the comments on the wowriot post, the guy even admitted it's the wrong guy. This makes it so much better. Some random guy is getting harassed solely for having the same name as someone, who posted on a forum. And blizzard wants people to be identified by their name. But its okay, no harm can come from a something public like a name.
Oh absolutely. The only thing worse than internet stalking is internet stalking the wrong person. Unfortunately, the amount of effort and error-checking that "internet detectives" choose to put into their research is extremely limited, so I don't imagine this case of mistaken identity will be an isolated incident.
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On July 07 2010 08:07 indczn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 08:00 Excalibur_Z wrote:
That's not Bashiok's info. Lakeport is 500 miles away from Irvine. It's some other Micah Whipple.
Read the comments on the wowriot post, the guy even admitted it's the wrong guy. This makes it so much better. Some random guy is getting harassed solely for having the same name as someone, who posted on a forum. And blizzard wants people to be identified by their name. But its okay, no harm can come from a something public like a name.
LOL, but this could have happened at ANY time in the history of the Internet. All you gotta do is think you know who somebody is... It's not a problem created or exacerbated by Blizzard's proposed policy. :D
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On July 07 2010 08:01 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 07:46 InfiniteIce wrote:On July 07 2010 07:41 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 07 2010 07:29 InfiniteIce wrote:On July 07 2010 07:25 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:22 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 07:08 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:07 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 06:49 Shirolol wrote:
I honestly don't see what the problem is at all, why would I care if someone knows where I live and what my name is? Or anything about me for that matter.
I think you're all being a tad paranoid here talking about e-stalking and the likes, this change means nothing apart from the people that act like tumors might stop now - and is that a bad thing? I don't think it is.
Either way I never post on the blizzard forums, it provides nothing I can't get elsewhere - and generally of a higher quality. (Here, for example.) good for you, how bout kids who don't know better and are careless about what they divulge online? blizz/activision are setting a dangerous standard for game forums And what stopped kids from doing this before...? ohhh nothing you are so spot on now they'll do it thinking it's expected, that's hardly an improvement since the launch of the internet the proper authorities have declared endlessly that the ONLY way to protect people from the dangers of the internet is to prevent (mostly kids and fragile people but it concerns everyone) from divulging their identity online (and any other info that are liable to be used by dangerous people) ... it's the only way that the professionals advocate, who are we to disagree? First of all, young kids can't legally post on a public forum with their real names. Second, how on earth did you decide that, because the Blizzard forums are real-name-only, everyone is going to assume that addresses and school names are also OK to share? At this point I SERIOUSLY doubt that you are reading this thread at all. READ WHAT HAPPENED TO BASHIOK BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR NEXT REPLY. It is very evident that you do not have to share your address and phone number etc., in order for people to find it using only your full name. PLEASE. READ ABOUT BASHIOK BEFORE YOU REPLY. Seriously. Thanks. Edit: link for everybody's convenience, though it's been posted before. http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function?gr_i_ni I don't understand... is this sarcastic? Nothing happened to Bashiok in the link you provided. No public news, to be sure. I highly doubt that he is currently at peace though, Nony. I'm an hour away from Bash. I'm half tempted to go say what's up. People in this thread already state they have called/texted Bash. How many internet retards does it take to go beat up Bashiok? Surely I don't have to explain what happens when you post your info on 4chan. Some of it is national news-worthy... This is going the same route. I just don't think that people should be harassed, outside of the internet, for stating their opinion over the internet. The internet should deal with the internet. I mean, are you willing to post your contact info publicly, as a moderately well-known person in the community? I wouldn't be.. It has been available for years. All the top players' names have been known for years. Anyone who has participated in WCG has had their name published. Same with TSL. Hell, teamliquid.net has a database with that info. And beyond players, the names of commentators, news writers, fan site staff, Blizzard employees, etc are known. The addresses and real names of all the progamers in Korea are known. People harass Bashiok now because they're assholes who are mad for reasons that they can't even explain, not because they couldn't harass Bashiok before. If you don't think people should be harassed for publicly stating an opinion, then encourage the victims of harassment to report incidents to law enforcement. That shit isn't legal.
Are you implying that it is then okay/fine for Blizzard's new RealName policy then? And that instead of trying to stop it at the source, we should "encourage the victims of harassment to report incidents to law enforcement"?
If so, I really don't agree with this...I'm not saying that to imply that we shouldn't encourage that, or report it ourselves...but if it's a trade-off between "who cares, dont worry about it, or else report it"...
It is illegal. Having all this information simply makes the illegal more easy.
I'm just not sure I get where you're coming from. There seems to be this general sentiment of "hey, my name's out there, and nothing bad happened to me, you'll be fine too" in this thread. Not just specifically from you, of course...
The gamers you might piss off are other people whose names are generally known. If you 4pooled (just an example. I know you can't 4pool with Protoss.) somebody in the TSL, and they wanted to grief you, I expect that either the fear of retaliation, or disqualification, or, as you suggest (rightly so), involvement of law enforcement would most likely deter them from doing anything to you. But you're surrounded by these players. Not everybody is...
And not everybody is White, in a White state. Or male. Or straight. Or tactful. That doesn't mean they deserve shit for what happens in a VIDEO GAME.
The deterrence from griefing somebody, as provided by any of the above factors, is relatively negligible when you know your victim's name, but they know nothing about you...
I'm just not sure I understand the point of view that seems to be implied as "My name's out there, so what?"
I think a lot of people have lost sight of reality.
This is a video game. You shouldn't be fucked with for shit you do on a video game.
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