EPTas far as tournament organization every1 knows the issues i had with first us craft cup, but since then i had no complaints
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EU CraftCup: what a joke - Page 10
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HuK
Canada1591 Posts
as far as tournament organization every1 knows the issues i had with first us craft cup, but since then i had no complaints gg wp jin | ||
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einohr
Germany45 Posts
On May 01 2010 08:36 Maista wrote: right now i am compiling an excuse to jdanzi, who was the only person who was treated unfairly in the whole process in my opinion. To keep it very short. - Brotkohl gave Moutas the freewin - Nightend didn't send a mail about the delay - Moutas got disqualified. From my point of view is the organisation at fault. Moutas didn't do something wrong and the decision not to repeat the second round wasn't against the rules. This is some kind of sportsmanship. | ||
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HOLYCOWBATMAN
Canada51 Posts
On May 01 2010 08:56 Zeke50100 wrote: Pics. Or. It. Didn't. Happen. It applies here, even if DeA confirmed it. Also, he didn't even confirm it all; he claims what you state is not entirely true. According to the article, there is 0 evidence on DeA ignoring messages. If the match was already started it doesnt matters anyway.... i wouldnt take the time to anwser some random noob during a tournament match... | ||
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Gryffes
United Kingdom763 Posts
A very small amount of responsibility is Nightends for not contacting admins asap - the rest of the responsibility is on the tournament admins for making poor decisions in addressing the situation. | ||
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Kevmar
United States22 Posts
If one person gets a free win because he reports his opponent MIA and an admin gets word that someone tried to contact them and was ignored, you would consider that borderline cheating. I think in the end the facts got sorted out, but with that concept in mind I don't think that Maista was out of line with his request. On the same note, when the top admin is making a call it is in your best interest to respect it. They can't make the correct call every time, but every call they make they do it for the best interest of the tournament. If you cant trust the judgement of the admins the whole thing falls apart. | ||
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Erucious
Norway393 Posts
To CraftCup Admin:: Since Nightend got his way in that tournament, i would like to see Moutas to get some kind of preferential treatment in the next tourney (for a lack of better words really). Maybe get him a bye into the 2nd round, or whatever. Nightend kinda *stole* Moutas place, and didnt have to play Round 3. Also, Nightend had nothing to lose saying that he wants to play for 2nd place match. Ofcourse he would agree to it. Moutas had lots of stuff to lose, he was in the 4th round only to get it stolen away. Also, you say that "the decision would be best solved on the battlefield", yet you give Nightend (who, again, had nothing to lose) the free win. This doesnt make sense at all! In short: - a bug happened that affected 2 players - 1 player got affected severly and couldnt respond to PM's/game invites - 1 player kept on playing and proceeded with the tourney Why let the guy thats stuck to the rules, and helped the tourney go further, why let him get DQ'ed and the guy that had issues with his PC/bnet/dog on fire take his spot? Not only that, but you literally just prove that your way of "checking if people are online" doesnt really work. Also, what were the cheating allegations? He didnt do anything wrong... The decision really baffles me. | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On May 01 2010 09:02 HOLYCOWBATMAN wrote: If the match was already started it doesnt matters anyway.... i wouldnt take the time to anwser some random noob during a tournament match... What's stopping you from posting the pic, if it truly exists? Are you too lazy? No access to Photobucket? You're avoiding the matter at hand. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
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Erucious
Norway393 Posts
On May 01 2010 09:05 Kevmar wrote: If one person gets a free win because he reports his opponent MIA and an admin gets word that someone tried to contact them and was ignored, you would consider that borderline cheating. I think in the end the facts got sorted out, but with that concept in mind I don't think that Maista was out of line with his request. This is the problem. Even if DeA had seen the PM's that nigthend had issues with bnet. He couldnt just sit there and wait for 3hours until Nightend's battlenet was fixed could he? Also, what could DeA do with the information that nightend had bnet problems? Again, the admins can tell DeA to wait like 15-20mins (which he did) but after that still nothing and he should still get the autowin... | ||
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StewKer
United States301 Posts
On May 01 2010 08:45 Maista wrote: @killerdog: interesting thought, and thats clearly a great way to handle a tournament. But please accept that this is just an opinion. I have my own idea of fairness and refusing to play a match thats clearly possible to play is unfair imho Unfair? Not following your tournament's own rules is unfair. No game was played after 15 minutes, one player requested a pass to round 3, it was given, as is allowed in the rules. It doesn't matter that both were online at the time and just weren't able to see each other. One person requested a pass within the allocated time, one did not. It's that simple. Secondly, you even mention that NightEnd did NOT follow the rules even though DeA did, and you allow NightEnd to continue on in place of DeA?! I just don't understand how you can make that explanation that you gave, it's like... wow... actually there are no words. If forcing a replay of round 2 was the right decision, well I guess I don't know what right decisions are. GL CraftCup, take this as a lesson learned, the incident that is. If you have rules, follow them, to the letter. | ||
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Maista
Germany131 Posts
//rethorical question. Please do not answer it =) | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On May 01 2010 09:02 HOLYCOWBATMAN wrote: If the match was already started it doesnt matters anyway.... i wouldnt take the time to anwser some random noob during a tournament match... Random noob?? Who are you to call someone noob? You're a noname troll, that's what you are. Anyway here's the print: ![[image loading]](http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?208578dc19.jpg) Note: I made it like 10-15 minutes after I messaged DeA. Nightend asked me for it when we still got no reply form DeA, in case the admins will ask for a proof that he tried to contact his opponent. | ||
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Erucious
Norway393 Posts
On May 01 2010 09:14 Maista wrote: you guys really think somebody should get a freewin because he clikced the "i want a freewin"-button faster than the other one? well..he was the only one that clicked it didnt he? | ||
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Erucious
Norway393 Posts
On May 01 2010 09:14 cyclone25 wrote: whole lot of stuff here with the picture of your proof By random noob, he means some random player he doesnt know. Not that you suck at the game... gosh... | ||
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Gryffes
United Kingdom763 Posts
On May 01 2010 09:11 Erucious wrote: This is the problem. Even if DeA had seen the PM's that nigthend had issues with bnet. He couldnt just sit there and wait for 3hours until Nightend's battlenet was fixed could he? Also, what could DeA do with the information that nightend had bnet problems? Again, the admins can tell DeA to wait like 15-20mins (which he did) but after that still nothing and he should still get the autowin... Not really a problem - the admin has made a decision and Moutas has been advanced - he doesn't need to reply to some random message - only the admins and his current opponent. If his opponent is having technical problems then he must contact the admins or forfeit his game to avoid disrupting the tournament schedule. He didn't contact admins in a timely fashion so he forfeits the game - the problem is the admins attempt at corrective action. ( obviously with good intentions - but with poor results/forethought ). | ||
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Maista
Germany131 Posts
On May 01 2010 09:15 Erucious wrote: well..he was the only one that clicked it didnt he? Does that rly make a difference to you? | ||
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skYfiVe
United States382 Posts
Still a lot to be learned in running tournaments fairly I think. | ||
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Mios
United States686 Posts
preferential treatment makes this cup look bad, which is ironic because giving pros a good tournament experience (even at the cost of giving noobs a bad exerience as long as its unnoticed) makes them play in the cup more, which gives it more notoriety, which makes the cup look better. i i would guess this is the motive, because pissing NightEnd off might cause him to not play in future cups. | ||
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Maista
Germany131 Posts
On May 01 2010 09:17 skYfiVe wrote: Even in the case that nightend's bnet was bugged... the other player was already past the 3rd round and ready to play the 4th. Sure.. it is a terrible circumstance, but you can't bring someone back a complete round.. Still a lot to be learned in running tournaments fairly I think. it wasnt nightends sc2 that had issues. please read carefully. Both players had the same problem | ||
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Erucious
Norway393 Posts
What?... What is your point? You have said rules. Your admins followed the rules that your tournament plays by. Then gets reverted when the damage already has been done. Reverted and given a free win to someone who wasnt available to unforseen circumstances. | ||
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