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This has been on my mind for some time now - I can't help but think that if the top foreigners were allowed to play "in the mix" with the Koreans, then foreigners would be beating Koreans on a fairly regular basis. The fact that Boxer, Effort, and Bisu all got beaten by non-Koreans at the IESF that happened a while back seems to support this.
I think Koreans definitely have a "technical" edge in StarCraft in that they practice the game much more than the foreigners do and thus have a physical advantage in playing the game; however the fact that they isolate themselves and practice strictly with other Koreans also opens them up to make stupid mistakes and assumptions because they're always playing the same crowd of people, making them more vulnerable to "non-Korean" strategies and situations.
I hope StarCraft II forces those Koreans to get their hands dirty and compete against EVERYONE in the StarCraft world, not just other Koreans...then we'll see if they're really the best. I'm kinda overstepping myself here, but what do the rest of you think? I still maintain that the best foreigners could match, and even surpass, the Koreans if they were allowed to compete against them regularly.
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what are these "non-korean" strategies you speak of
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what matters is the context of the loss, not if they lost
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On April 03 2010 06:40 candlejackisgonn wrote:
what are these "non-korean" strategies you speak of
i think he meant foreigner playing style. which in general isnt good at all.
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no way. even the best foreigners will tell you how much better koreans are.
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Canada5565 Posts
If you practice 14 hours a day you're going to be good, no matter what ethnicity you are. Also, Korean progames come up with all the BW strategies and foreigners copy them, soo..
Don't kid yourself, Effort or Bisu could rock any foreigner.
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I definitely think Koreans make less "stupid mistakes" than foreigners do. They are better in every way. Not only are their mechanics better but so is their game sense. In other words, they understand every aspect of this game better than anyone else does.
It's expected considering they are the most talented and hard working individuals at starcraft in the world.
Some foreigners say that Korean progamers "don't play with heart" or "have no style." It's all bullshit though of course.
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Even our best foreign harry potter idra can't even win a game in the offline preliminaries...
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You simply cannot compare foreigners and Korean Pros.
It is very very simple: Korean Pros are pros - SC os their job , top foreigners are good players , but they are amatures. Hope you understand.. GG
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look at top iccup ladder ranking
of course if foreigners practiced more they would play better. But when they dont, its not meaningful to estimate how good they would do.
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On April 03 2010 06:56 LunarDestiny wrote:
Even our best foreign harry potter idra can't even win a game in the offline preliminaries...
Truth.
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foreigners lack in all compared to koreans. ok foreigners maybe know some stupid all ins without any follow up but that has nothing to do with skill.
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Canada8035 Posts
I think Koreans definitely have a "technical" edge in StarCraft in that they practice the game much more than the foreigners do and thus have a physical advantage in playing the game; however the fact that they isolate themselves and practice strictly with other Koreans also opens them up to make stupid mistakes and assumptions because they're always playing the same crowd of people, making them more vulnerable to "non-Korean" strategies and situations.
I hope StarCraft II forces those Koreans to get their hands dirty and compete against EVERYONE in the StarCraft world, not just other Koreans...then we'll see if they're really the best. I'm kinda overstepping myself here, but what do the rest of you think? I still maintain that the best foreigners could match, and even surpass, the Koreans if they were allowed to compete against them regularly.
Strategy doesn't automatically trump technical skill since careful micro can sometimes overcome these disadvantages (what are these special foreigner strategies, anyway?). It's not like Koreans are playing strategically blind too - standard builds are standard because they work. Besides, don't you think there's a reason why the winners at WCG are always Korean?
Initially, foreigners could potentially match Koreans in SC2. However, the longer the game exists, the more of a disadvantage foreigners are at. It's simply too difficult to beat Korean progamers since they can dedicate the majority of their time to practice.
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On April 03 2010 07:09 dronebabo wrote:
by in the mix you mean playing hours and hours like the korean progamers sure but since they don't koreans win purely by outpracticing foreigners not by some magical gene
I thought kimchi gives you +100 apm while cheese only make you a noob.
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On April 03 2010 06:56 LunarDestiny wrote:
Even our best foreign harry potter idra can't even win a game in the offline preliminaries...
Err, he has managed to win games in the offline preliminaries. (ie going 1-2 against Shuttle, Flying and Trap)
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On April 03 2010 07:24 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 06:56 LunarDestiny wrote:
Even our best foreign harry potter idra can't even win a game in the offline preliminaries... Err, he has managed to win games in the offline preliminaries. (ie going 1-2 against Shuttle, Flying and Trap)
i think he wanted to say a series/bo
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United States4991 Posts
The top koreans are way better than the top foreigners.
If the top foreigners had had the exact same opportunities / environment to play SC in, then I'm sure we'd have foreign players the same level as people like Flash, Jaedong, etc. It's not like there's something fundamental about Korean DNA that makes you better, it's purely the environment.
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non-koreans taking random games off koreans in means nothing.
There is only a pro scene in korea, so of course the sensible thing to do is isolate yourself within that.
No non-trolling person believes koreans are genetically better than the rest of the world. I don't see what's so complicated.
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Even if Effort and Bisu are not hot now, I think no One out Korean could beat them in BO3.
Why should they play foreigns, if Korean are playing better. SC1 Pros has pre-se technically edge over foreign in SC2.
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