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Kennigit
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Before you all act like idiots who have never seen one of these licenses, basically it's to cover Blizzard's ass. If TL gets sued because our theme song was As Long As You Love Me, or we keep the 23k to buy vast quantities of ESports dollars and Blizzard has been "supporting" it through coverage on Twitter etc, you can probably see where there might be an issue....It's very standard and literally nothing to worry about.
Please don't talk stupid shit about Blizzard trying to kill Esports etc....if that was they case, why would they have a dedicated team to help support it?
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On February 23 2010 06:52 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 06:39 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:35 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:34 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:32 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:03 Oddysay wrote:
blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong . Explain to me why Brood War is around then because they have the same policy there. yay it is not like if there are/were plenty of broodwar tourneys without licensing... Also gl explaining how Iccup is legal  Ok, explain to me then how TSL exist. Answer my question first please. Iccup isn't legal, I'm glad that those assholes will have a harder time in SC 2. They not only allow piracy, they encourage it. Hosting warez and what not. But you see most serious communities that are based in the civilized world follow laws and regulations, for an example Team Liquid. And they had no issues applying for licenses in BW so I don't see how it will be any different in SC 2. Blizzard isn't dumb, they are not going to go after community run tournaments and charge them. They want to have their cut when it comes to organizations like KeSPA that profit millions each year on their product.
Please stop the hypocrisy.
I love Team Liquid, and i love Iccup even if they are not legal.
I understand that the mods and the admins here are in very good terms with Blizzard so they asked them a license to run the TSL but eh they are running it on a Russian pirate server.
So you can bable all you want about Iccup being assholes and Team Liquid being saints, the reality isn't manichean.
I don't mind too if Blizzard charge a bit large corporations like KESPA who have their own leagues but i think that every small / mid tournament should be allowed without restriction, fees etc ...
This Zotac tournament had a 100 euros prize pool -.-
Why are you even comparing it to Kespa ?
edit: i think i'm done.
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On February 23 2010 07:01 Kennigit wrote:
Before you all act like idiots who have never seen one of these licenses, basically it's to cover Blizzard's ass. If TL gets sued because our theme song was As Long As You Love Me, or we keep the 23k to buy vast quantities of ESports dollars and Blizzard has been "supporting" it through coverage on Twitter etc, you can probably see where there might be an issue....It's very standard and literally nothing to worry about.
Please don't talk stupid shit about Blizzard trying to kill Esports etc....if that was they case, why would they have a dedicated team to help support it?
While they aren't "trying" to kill Esports, too much involvement may have a negative effect.
Their "Esports team" didn't manage to reply in time to allow the Zotac cup to run so already we see disadvantages to their approach.
I'd rather they didn't have an Esports team and didn't make that post on Battlenet.
I'd rather they took the SC1 approach of holding the power in the licensing but just not enforcing it. That way Blizzard covers their backs legally and we can all get on with advertising their content for them.
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On February 23 2010 07:01 Kennigit wrote:
Before you all act like idiots who have never seen one of these licenses, basically it's to cover Blizzard's ass. If TL gets sued because our theme song was As Long As You Love Me, or we keep the 23k to buy vast quantities of ESports dollars and Blizzard has been "supporting" it through coverage on Twitter etc, you can probably see where there might be an issue....It's very standard and literally nothing to worry about.
Please don't talk stupid shit about Blizzard trying to kill Esports etc....if that was they case, why would they have a dedicated team to help support it?
Care to provide the evidence that the existence of that team is a positive and not a negative on E-Sports?
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On February 23 2010 07:05 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 06:52 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:39 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:35 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:34 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:32 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:03 Oddysay wrote:
blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong . Explain to me why Brood War is around then because they have the same policy there. yay it is not like if there are/were plenty of broodwar tourneys without licensing... Also gl explaining how Iccup is legal Ok, explain to me then how TSL exist. Answer my question first please. Iccup isn't legal, I'm glad that those assholes will have a harder time in SC 2. They not only allow piracy, they encourage it. Hosting warez and what not. But you see most serious communities that are based in the civilized world follow laws and regulations, for an example Team Liquid. And they had no issues applying for licenses in BW so I don't see how it will be any different in SC 2. Blizzard isn't dumb, they are not going to go after community run tournaments and charge them. They want to have their cut when it comes to organizations like KeSPA that profit millions each year on their product. Please stop the hypocrisy. I love Team Liquid, and i love Iccup even if they are not legal. I understand that the mods and the admins here are in very good terms with Blizzard so they asked them a license to run the TSL but eh they are running it on a Russian pirate server. So you can bable all you want about Iccup being assholes and Team Liquid being saints, the reality isn't manichean. I don't mind too if Blizzard charge a bit large corporations like KESPA who have their own leagues but i think that every small / mid tournament should be allowed without restriction, fees etc ... This Zotac tournament had a 100 euros prize pool -.- Why are you even comparing it to Kespa ? edit: i think i'm done.
I get why people (and Team Liquid) use Iccup, I don't fault them for that. Starcraft's ladder system is subpar and barely playable. That doesn't excuse Iccup for encouraging piracy and the sooner they are gone the better.
Regarding the tournaments you are agreeing with me, thats what I have been saying and Blizzard didn't try to charge the Zotac tournament for anything.
Zotac asked Blizzard last week for a license and before Blizzard had any chance to answer them they announced their tournament. When Blizzard didn't had the time to get back to them before the weekend the organizers of Zotac got cold feet and canceled it. This whole Zotac mess is due to poor organization from their admins.
Anyway they will most likely do their tournament this upcoming Sunday.
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On February 23 2010 07:19 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 07:05 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:52 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:39 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:35 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:34 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:32 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:03 Oddysay wrote:
blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong . Explain to me why Brood War is around then because they have the same policy there. yay it is not like if there are/were plenty of broodwar tourneys without licensing... Also gl explaining how Iccup is legal Ok, explain to me then how TSL exist. Answer my question first please. Iccup isn't legal, I'm glad that those assholes will have a harder time in SC 2. They not only allow piracy, they encourage it. Hosting warez and what not. But you see most serious communities that are based in the civilized world follow laws and regulations, for an example Team Liquid. And they had no issues applying for licenses in BW so I don't see how it will be any different in SC 2. Blizzard isn't dumb, they are not going to go after community run tournaments and charge them. They want to have their cut when it comes to organizations like KeSPA that profit millions each year on their product. Please stop the hypocrisy. I love Team Liquid, and i love Iccup even if they are not legal. I understand that the mods and the admins here are in very good terms with Blizzard so they asked them a license to run the TSL but eh they are running it on a Russian pirate server. So you can bable all you want about Iccup being assholes and Team Liquid being saints, the reality isn't manichean. I don't mind too if Blizzard charge a bit large corporations like KESPA who have their own leagues but i think that every small / mid tournament should be allowed without restriction, fees etc ... This Zotac tournament had a 100 euros prize pool -.- Why are you even comparing it to Kespa ? edit: i think i'm done. I get why people (and Team Liquid) use Iccup, I don't fault them for that. Starcraft's ladder system is subpar and barely playable. That doesn't excuse Iccup for encouraging piracy and the sooner they are gone the better. Regarding the tournaments you are agreeing with me, thats what I have been saying and Blizzard didn't try to charge the Zotac tournament for anything. Zotac asked Blizzard last week for a license and before Blizzard had any chance to answer them they announced their tournament. When Blizzard didn't had the time to get back to them before the weekend the organizers of Zotac got cold feet and canceled it. This whole Zotac mess is due to poor organization from their admins. Anyway they will most likely do their tournament this upcoming Sunday.
Hypocrisy + Bureaucracy + Moral relativism = Fail.
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On February 23 2010 07:21 Rothbardian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 07:19 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 07:05 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:52 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:39 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:35 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:34 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:32 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:03 Oddysay wrote:
blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong . Explain to me why Brood War is around then because they have the same policy there. yay it is not like if there are/were plenty of broodwar tourneys without licensing... Also gl explaining how Iccup is legal Ok, explain to me then how TSL exist. Answer my question first please. Iccup isn't legal, I'm glad that those assholes will have a harder time in SC 2. They not only allow piracy, they encourage it. Hosting warez and what not. But you see most serious communities that are based in the civilized world follow laws and regulations, for an example Team Liquid. And they had no issues applying for licenses in BW so I don't see how it will be any different in SC 2. Blizzard isn't dumb, they are not going to go after community run tournaments and charge them. They want to have their cut when it comes to organizations like KeSPA that profit millions each year on their product. Please stop the hypocrisy. I love Team Liquid, and i love Iccup even if they are not legal. I understand that the mods and the admins here are in very good terms with Blizzard so they asked them a license to run the TSL but eh they are running it on a Russian pirate server. So you can bable all you want about Iccup being assholes and Team Liquid being saints, the reality isn't manichean. I don't mind too if Blizzard charge a bit large corporations like KESPA who have their own leagues but i think that every small / mid tournament should be allowed without restriction, fees etc ... This Zotac tournament had a 100 euros prize pool -.- Why are you even comparing it to Kespa ? edit: i think i'm done. I get why people (and Team Liquid) use Iccup, I don't fault them for that. Starcraft's ladder system is subpar and barely playable. That doesn't excuse Iccup for encouraging piracy and the sooner they are gone the better. Regarding the tournaments you are agreeing with me, thats what I have been saying and Blizzard didn't try to charge the Zotac tournament for anything. Zotac asked Blizzard last week for a license and before Blizzard had any chance to answer them they announced their tournament. When Blizzard didn't had the time to get back to them before the weekend the organizers of Zotac got cold feet and canceled it. This whole Zotac mess is due to poor organization from their admins. Anyway they will most likely do their tournament this upcoming Sunday. Hypocrisy + Bureaucracy + Moral relativism = Fail.
Go back to whatever Ron Paul forum you came from.
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On February 23 2010 07:17 Rothbardian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 07:01 Kennigit wrote:
Before you all act like idiots who have never seen one of these licenses, basically it's to cover Blizzard's ass. If TL gets sued because our theme song was As Long As You Love Me, or we keep the 23k to buy vast quantities of ESports dollars and Blizzard has been "supporting" it through coverage on Twitter etc, you can probably see where there might be an issue....It's very standard and literally nothing to worry about.
Please don't talk stupid shit about Blizzard trying to kill Esports etc....if that was they case, why would they have a dedicated team to help support it?
Care to provide the evidence that the existence of that team is a positive and not a negative on E-Sports?
Why would blizzard purpusfully put a team together to have a negative influence on thier game that makes no sense.. find some evidence to support them being a negative on "E-SPORTS!!"
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On February 23 2010 07:21 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 07:21 Rothbardian wrote:On February 23 2010 07:19 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 07:05 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:52 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:39 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:35 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:34 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:32 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:03 Oddysay wrote:
blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong . Explain to me why Brood War is around then because they have the same policy there. yay it is not like if there are/were plenty of broodwar tourneys without licensing... Also gl explaining how Iccup is legal Ok, explain to me then how TSL exist. Answer my question first please. Iccup isn't legal, I'm glad that those assholes will have a harder time in SC 2. They not only allow piracy, they encourage it. Hosting warez and what not. But you see most serious communities that are based in the civilized world follow laws and regulations, for an example Team Liquid. And they had no issues applying for licenses in BW so I don't see how it will be any different in SC 2. Blizzard isn't dumb, they are not going to go after community run tournaments and charge them. They want to have their cut when it comes to organizations like KeSPA that profit millions each year on their product. Please stop the hypocrisy. I love Team Liquid, and i love Iccup even if they are not legal. I understand that the mods and the admins here are in very good terms with Blizzard so they asked them a license to run the TSL but eh they are running it on a Russian pirate server. So you can bable all you want about Iccup being assholes and Team Liquid being saints, the reality isn't manichean. I don't mind too if Blizzard charge a bit large corporations like KESPA who have their own leagues but i think that every small / mid tournament should be allowed without restriction, fees etc ... This Zotac tournament had a 100 euros prize pool -.- Why are you even comparing it to Kespa ? edit: i think i'm done. I get why people (and Team Liquid) use Iccup, I don't fault them for that. Starcraft's ladder system is subpar and barely playable. That doesn't excuse Iccup for encouraging piracy and the sooner they are gone the better. Regarding the tournaments you are agreeing with me, thats what I have been saying and Blizzard didn't try to charge the Zotac tournament for anything. Zotac asked Blizzard last week for a license and before Blizzard had any chance to answer them they announced their tournament. When Blizzard didn't had the time to get back to them before the weekend the organizers of Zotac got cold feet and canceled it. This whole Zotac mess is due to poor organization from their admins. Anyway they will most likely do their tournament this upcoming Sunday. Hypocrisy + Bureaucracy + Moral relativism = Fail. Go back to whatever Ron Paul forum you came from.
While I do like Ron Paul, I'm apolitical. If Blizzard can't even handle this simple task in 5 days, what makes you think they can do anything when there is going to be a ton of tournaments taking place (or not taking place if it was up to you). It reminds me of people who are so adamantly against privatizing roads, yet incessantly complain about roadways and going back and forth to work taking a hour to drive 5 miles.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On February 23 2010 07:17 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 07:01 Kennigit wrote:
Before you all act like idiots who have never seen one of these licenses, basically it's to cover Blizzard's ass. If TL gets sued because our theme song was As Long As You Love Me, or we keep the 23k to buy vast quantities of ESports dollars and Blizzard has been "supporting" it through coverage on Twitter etc, you can probably see where there might be an issue....It's very standard and literally nothing to worry about.
Please don't talk stupid shit about Blizzard trying to kill Esports etc....if that was they case, why would they have a dedicated team to help support it?
While they aren't "trying" to kill Esports, too much involvement may have a negative effect. Their "Esports team" didn't manage to reply in time to allow the Zotac cup to run so already we see disadvantages to their approach. I'd rather they didn't have an Esports team and didn't make that post on Battlenet. I'd rather they took the SC1 approach of holding the power in the licensing but just not enforcing it. That way Blizzard covers their backs legally and we can all get on with advertising their content for them.
Don't talk bullshit. It has zero negative effect except that you have to wait a couple weeks instead of doing the stupid thing and rushing a tournament you planned in 3 days (ZOTAC?). I love how people want esports to grow and want Blizzard's support but as soon as any is shown, they freak out without knowing ANY actual facts and just theorizing what "could" happen. Please list me the negative effects you have seen in the foreign scene from the esports team (which has existed FOR YEARS). Valve shows zero support for CS and treats it the same way they would any other mod - Is this what you want?
All this licensing is doing is giving structure to inexperienced jobbers who want to run tournaments.
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On February 23 2010 07:25 emucxg wrote:
is iccup legal?
No.
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On February 23 2010 07:23 Manbear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 07:17 Rothbardian wrote:On February 23 2010 07:01 Kennigit wrote:
Before you all act like idiots who have never seen one of these licenses, basically it's to cover Blizzard's ass. If TL gets sued because our theme song was As Long As You Love Me, or we keep the 23k to buy vast quantities of ESports dollars and Blizzard has been "supporting" it through coverage on Twitter etc, you can probably see where there might be an issue....It's very standard and literally nothing to worry about.
Please don't talk stupid shit about Blizzard trying to kill Esports etc....if that was they case, why would they have a dedicated team to help support it?
Care to provide the evidence that the existence of that team is a positive and not a negative on E-Sports? Why would blizzard purpusfully put a team together to have a negative influence on thier game that makes no sense.. find some evidence to support them being a negative on "E-SPORTS!!"
No one said that. Hell is paved by the best intentions. They may intend to help E-Sports, but in doing so they ruin it. This is actually very common. For one, bureaucracy always is inefficient and a negative.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Next person to make a wild statement without any actual FACTS is getting banned. I probably sound like a bit of a fan-boy, but as someone who talks to the guys on the esports team pretty regular, it's fucking infuriating to hear idiots who have no idea about the licenses, the esports team or how any of it works run their mouths.
Here is an example of a fact.
- Blizzard said they wanted 95% of the prize pool in order to get a license so i couldn't run my tournament. (MADE UP EXAMPLE ONLY JOBBERS)
Here is an example of something that is not a fact
- They may intend to help E-Sports, but in doing so they ruin it.
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On February 23 2010 07:27 Rothbardian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 07:23 Manbear wrote:On February 23 2010 07:17 Rothbardian wrote:On February 23 2010 07:01 Kennigit wrote:
Before you all act like idiots who have never seen one of these licenses, basically it's to cover Blizzard's ass. If TL gets sued because our theme song was As Long As You Love Me, or we keep the 23k to buy vast quantities of ESports dollars and Blizzard has been "supporting" it through coverage on Twitter etc, you can probably see where there might be an issue....It's very standard and literally nothing to worry about.
Please don't talk stupid shit about Blizzard trying to kill Esports etc....if that was they case, why would they have a dedicated team to help support it?
Care to provide the evidence that the existence of that team is a positive and not a negative on E-Sports? Why would blizzard purpusfully put a team together to have a negative influence on thier game that makes no sense.. find some evidence to support them being a negative on "E-SPORTS!!" No one said that. Hell is paved by the best intentions. They may intend to help E-Sports, but in doing so they ruin it. This is actually very common. For one, bureaucracy always is inefficient and a negative.
What causes you to believe that they will ruin it, where have they gone wrong so far?
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On February 23 2010 07:30 Kennigit wrote:
Here is an example of a fact.
- Blizzard said they wanted 95% of the prize pool in order to get a license so i couldn't run my tournament.
I assume it isn't a true fact though, just to note since people might misinterpret that somehow.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Thanks, clarified for the legion of idiots.
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I understand that Zotac didnt get a reply right away because Blizzard needs to check and see if the tournament is legit. Though I feel like if the website hosting a tournament has a following and want to hold a tournament - what business is it of Blizzards? Once they buy their copy of SC2, that should be enough and they should be able to hold tournaments among themselves. It just feels a little bureaucratic that Blizzard needs to OK a 100€ tournament. . .
Reserve the licensing for bigger fish - like Kespa - though Kespa should be given a pass because of the great value they have added to the SC scene. Without Kespa Starcraft would have a following the size of Red Alert 2.
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I dont like tournament license shit, but also Im not against it. I mean, it's their game, they can make any rule if they want to.
but the problem is, there is too few information given by blizzard about tournament licenses...well, at least I didnt know before that I would need license if Im making some tournament happen.
I'm pretty sure it was also surprise for zotac that they would need tournament license.
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On February 23 2010 07:55 Emon_ wrote:
Blizzard needs to check and see if the tournament is legit.
How it can be illegal?
is there any illegal starcraft tournament before?
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