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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On February 23 2010 07:56 emucxg wrote: I'm pretty sure it was also surprise for zotac that they would need tournament license. I don't see how considering they have hosted WC 3 tournaments every week for years. | ||
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Manbear
Canada306 Posts
On February 23 2010 08:01 emucxg wrote: How it can be illegal? is there any illegal starcraft tournament before? Idono im guessing if first prize was a 13 year old sex slave then it might be illigal but I don't think that has happened.. yet... | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On February 23 2010 07:25 Kennigit wrote: Don't talk bullshit. It has zero negative effect except that you have to wait a couple weeks instead of doing the stupid thing and rushing a tournament you planned in 3 days (ZOTAC?). I love how people want esports to grow and want Blizzard's support but as soon as any is shown, they freak out without knowing ANY actual facts and just theorizing what "could" happen. Please list me the negative effects you have seen in the foreign scene from the esports team (which has existed FOR YEARS). Valve shows zero support for CS and treats it the same way they would any other mod - Is this what you want? All this licensing is doing is giving structure to inexperienced jobbers who want to run tournaments. I don't see how mods get away with calling bullshit. Raging out doesn't make you particularly convincing either. It's obviously not bullshit since you admitted yourself that Zotac was affected. Since you're an insider you could perhaps tell us what exactly the Esports team is doing that's so important they can't answer ONE email? Ultimately people ARE concerned by this albeit subtle change in their policy and until we see the Esports team do something useful (like set up a tournament themselves) it's hard to see this as a positive change. Can you elaborate on your CS point. I think many see CS as the number1 FPS Esport in the world, what exactly do you mean? If you talk to them regularly why don't you explain to us what they do exactly and how the changes in the licensing is going to make things better? Admittedly a lot of the posts are over the top and maybe we'll look back and wonder why we were ever concerned. That doesn't take away the fact that right now all we see is a cancelled tournament and an Esports team that doesn't appear to be doing anything. | ||
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Wurzelbrumpft
Germany471 Posts
On February 23 2010 19:07 Klive5ive wrote: Ultimately people ARE concerned by this albeit subtle change in their policy Its not a change of policy, it always has been like this. This thread only exists because there are tons of people who didn´t realize that this is totally standard procedure, you need licenses for SC1 tournaments, you need licenses for WC3 tournaments and it has always been this way. Its not just Blizzard, every game company does this. Zotac needed licenses for their SC1and WC3 tournaments too. EVERY company does this, the reason there´s so much drama going on between KESPA and Blizzard is the fact that South Korea has different laws. And because of that KESPA isn´t forced to aquire licenses. And Iccup is illegal, but Blizzard lets them be. They probably figured that Iccup could even improve their sales by encouraging more people to play the game. Not that i know, but Blizzard would have done something if they thought Iccup lowered their sales in any way. Iccup is technically illegal because the law says so, not because Blizzard says so. I can´t believe people being outraged by this, even if they didn´t know it was standard procedure. Everyone knows that its a companies goal to make maximum profit. Did people have this fantasy of Blizzard not being like any other company, just because they made the game we play and love? Also people whore spewing shit around like Blizzard´s crippling themselves, if they set these restrictions it will harm their sales. Nobody even has any facts, like how big of a fee there is, or if there even is one. Does anybody posting here really think they know it better than the people working at Blizzard? Since most people here weren´t even aware of the fact, that acquiring a license for running a tourney is standard and nothing new, i´m gonna boldly state:No, none of you know crap. The most likely reason for Blizzard not contacting Zotac yet, is that this is the Beta of their new game, which hasn´t even lasted a week yet. They probably want to evaluate and observe any inquiry for a tourney very carefully, because it is an especially critical time for making the game public and spreading it. They´re gonna be way less restrictive and careful about SC1 tourneys, because SC1 isn´t Blizzard big money maker anymore and hasn´t been for a long time. If somebody hosts a SC1 tournament with bad organization and shitty coverage they probably wouldn´t care too much, because the game is so old and they don´t see a huge wave of potential buyers because someone runs a tourney. But if someone runs an SC2 tournament with bad organization and shitty coverage just a few days after the beta released, that could seriously influence Blizzard sales. | ||
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uiCk
Canada1925 Posts
On February 24 2010 03:01 Wurzelbrumpft wrote: Its not a change of policy, it always has been like this. This thread only exists because there are tons of people who didn´t realize that this is totally standard procedure, you need licenses for SC1 tournaments, you need licenses for WC3 tournaments and it has always been this way. Its not just Blizzard, every game company does this. Zotac needed licenses for their SC1and WC3 tournaments too. EVERY company does this, the reason there´s so much drama going on between KESPA and Blizzard is the fact that South Korea has different laws. And because of that KESPA isn´t forced to aquire licenses. And Iccup is illegal, but Blizzard lets them be. They probably figured that Iccup could even improve their sales by encouraging more people to play the game. Not that i know, but Blizzard would have done something if they thought Iccup lowered their sales in any way. Iccup is technically illegal because the law says so, not because Blizzard says so. I can´t believe people being outraged by this, even if they didn´t know it was standard procedure. Everyone knows that its a companies goal to make maximum profit. Did people have this fantasy of Blizzard not being like any other company, just because they made the game we play and love? Also people whore spewing shit around like Blizzard´s crippling themselves, if they set these restrictions it will harm their sales. Nobody even has any facts, like how big of a fee there is, or if there even is one. Does anybody posting here really think they know it better than the people working at Blizzard? Since most people here weren´t even aware of the fact, that acquiring a license for running a tourney is standard and nothing new, i´m gonna boldly state:No, none of you know crap. yea well welcome to the 21st century economics is ever chaning, and pre recession alot of companies were "gettin money" using stantard procedures. and of the reasons for sc success was the fact that cloud ladder, wgt, iccup and korean leagues existed, without blizzard interveening | ||
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
On February 24 2010 03:23 uiCk wrote: yea well welcome to the 21st century economics is ever chaning, and pre recession alot of companies were "gettin money" using stantard procedures. and of the reasons for sc success was the fact that cloud ladder, wgt, iccup and korean leagues existed, without blizzard interveening You are aware that WGT is a Blizzard-approved ladder, right? | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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Wurzelbrumpft
Germany471 Posts
On February 24 2010 03:23 uiCk wrote: yea well welcome to the 21st century economics is ever chaning, and pre recession alot of companies were "gettin money" using stantard procedures. and of the reasons for sc success was the fact that cloud ladder, wgt, iccup and korean leagues existed, without blizzard interveening Do you have any facts? Do you know that blizzard didn´t request a license from any of those ladders? And what does the recession have to do with this? The stockmarket crashed, because too many gaming companies wanted licenses for tournaments? Korea doesn´t count because they have different laws, and Blizzard can´t do much anyway, after the game is already released and sold there. Blizzard didn´t foresee that SC would get so huge in Korea. But now they know, and also know that Korea/Kespa is interested in broadcasting SC2 there. ladders are something else entirely, they don´t give coverage, they are not broadcasted. Why should Blizzard care about people, who bought the game, playing on some different server than their own. I think your wrong thinking the reason for sc´s succes where ladders like wgt and iccup. I dont think people bought sc because they heard something like wgt or iccup was around. Tourneys are a different story. They are often sponsored by companies, because they are broadcasted, or made public in some way or another. This i why Blizzard cares. And they will take special care of the coverage their brand new game gets. edit: and your already proven wrong... | ||
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iG.Zeep
Mexico253 Posts
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Krisban
Slovenia4 Posts
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zeox
Norway314 Posts
On February 24 2010 03:59 Krisban wrote: Has anybody noticed that Blizzard wasn`t called a money-grubbing company until after they were bought by Activision, at least not so furiously. sigh.... Blizzard was not bought by Activision. Activision and Vivendi merged, with Vivendi being the majority shareholder (something like 55%). so technically, Vivendi bought Activision, not the other way around edit: then again, this has nothing to do with the topic. Like Kennigit is saying, this is nothing new. | ||
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
On February 23 2010 06:16 Schnake wrote: Yes, I hear they have recruited 15-20 former navy seals to deal with this issue in a task force called Operation CWAL. Win <3 User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Vexx
United States462 Posts
What are you doing necroing a 3 month old thread to make a one word reply? | ||
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IrT4nkz
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