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If this sticks with the launch of SC2 remains to be seen. But the ZOTAC SC 2 Cup has already been postponed beacuse of the licence inquiry sent to Blizzard had not yet been answered.
The start of the first weekly ZOTAC StarCraft II beta cup is postponed for some time. With the release of the StarCraft II beta the necessary tournament license was requested from Blizzard but yet was not answered. Due to the missing license the tournament must be postponed until Blizzard is sending an approval to the new ZOTAC competition.
As soon as positive feedback is coming in the new ZOTAC cup is starting with the familiar quality and regularity. http://sc2.cups.gamesports.net/en/cup/1/
Blue post on the SC2 forum:
+ Show Spoiler +Interested in running Starcraft II beta tournaments? Please send an email with the following information about your tournament to sc-tourneyinfo-eu@blizzard.com .
• Name of the tournament
• Name of the person operating the tournament
• Name of the organization running the tournament
• Contact information
• Mailing address
• Times and dates of your tournament
• Participating country(ies)
• List of tournament sponsors and partners
We will review and evaluate your request.
Thank you,
Blizzard eSports Team
Link to above post
Whats your thoughts on this strict behavior from Blizzard? World domination next?
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Hm I hope Blizzard knows what they're doing or this could end up being bad for the scene, does OGN/MBC need this if they're going to host tournaments on their channels? I'm guessing they will have to get it like any others. Could be another reason for them and KeSPA to try and keep SC1 as the main game there.
Imho. its fine as long as they don't fuck up as in start interfering with how tournaments are ran and try to act like they're running it, the people should be given certain freedom or sponsors etc. are going to be scared away. Or start demanding money if people want to broadcast their games on tv, now that would be terrible for esports..
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Hopefully they don't care about small tourneys, since I'm sure my school's games club will be having an SC2 tourney when it comes out, and I wouldn't want to have to bother with legal fees to run it.
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On February 23 2010 04:46 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 04:45 Shadowfury333 wrote:
Hopefully they don't care about small tourneys, since I'm sure my school's games club will be having an SC2 tourney when it comes out, and I wouldn't want to have to bother with legal fees to run it. Doubt they'll even hear about local tournaments.
What are you talking about?
Blizzard has hired a special ops team specifically trained to find illegal SC2 tournaments all over the world.
Fines range from 3000$ to 4000$ or jail time up to 7 years.
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probably only matters for tournaments that give substantial money
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Blizzard needs to clarify what minimum prize pool requires licensing. Also, do licenses require fees? If so, what are the fees and do they change with tournament size or prize pool?
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This is ridicoulous, Blizzard can't forbid someone to make tournaments. I believe that when game comes out Blizzard will try to have some influence in better tournaments and if I'm not mistaken there should be something on battle.net to make tournaments easier to follow and participate etc, and for that I believe you'll need to pay or have licence or something.
But for some normal, classical tournaments Blizzard can't forbid anything, it's competitive game and they can't forbid players to be compete.
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I love how Blizzard only leases you the game. Funny. How much more absurdity do you need until more people become Anti-IP?
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No one saw this coming with the removal of LAN?
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Of course we saw it coming. It's just that we can't stop it, and that it may prove to be acceptable.
If you've ever read the Steam Subscriber Agreement, you don't really own your Steam games and there's no way to turn your Steam games into real games that can be run without Steam. This is also true for pre-Steam game keys you added to steam, such as your old copy of HL1 which is now a permanent part of Steam.
This is the EXACT SAME THING being done by Blizzard. Battle.net is their version of Steam and I wouldn't be surprised to see them give their launcher app a clever name down the line.
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On February 23 2010 05:45 Rothbardian wrote:
I love how Blizzard only leases you the game. Funny. How much more absurdity do you need until more people become Anti-IP?
this is standard business practice for a lot of company IPs
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On February 23 2010 05:44 bLah. wrote:
This is ridicoulous, Blizzard can't forbid someone to make tournaments. I believe that when game comes out Blizzard will try to have some influence in better tournaments and if I'm not mistaken there should be something on battle.net to make tournaments easier to follow and participate etc, and for that I believe you'll need to pay or have licence or something.
But for some normal, classical tournaments Blizzard can't forbid anything, it's competitive game and they can't forbid players to be compete.
I see nothing up there of blizzard outright forbidding people to play it looks like they are just taking their time replying to the email saying go ahead have some fun games, unless I'm mistaken it looks like they just want to be notified when tourneys are happening and how big they are its not a crime to want to know that, also didn't TSL 1 have to deal with that I remember somebody talking about it in a podcast, the license thing that is.
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blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong .
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On February 23 2010 06:03 Oddysay wrote:
blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong .
Take that ignorant shit to the b.net forums. Shouting fanboy to discredit those who disagree with you is the oldest of the old hat, so old that it really oughtn't have any place on this site.
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United States13896 Posts
This is absolutely nothing new ... we got a license to run TSL/other BW tournaments.
And of course they're going to be more strict about this - this is a game that is still in closed beta, not a nearly 12 year old title.
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On February 23 2010 06:07 p4NDemik wrote:
This is absolutely nothing new ... we got a license to run TSL/other BW tournaments.
And of course they're going to be more strict about this - this is a game that is still in closed beta, not a nearly 12 year old title.
ahh that's exactly what I was thinking I thought it was TSL that I heard about this before, and yeah not really a big deal
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On February 23 2010 05:00 MidKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 04:46 krndandaman wrote:On February 23 2010 04:45 Shadowfury333 wrote:
Hopefully they don't care about small tourneys, since I'm sure my school's games club will be having an SC2 tourney when it comes out, and I wouldn't want to have to bother with legal fees to run it. Doubt they'll even hear about local tournaments. What are you talking about? Blizzard has hired a special ops team specifically trained to find illegal SC2 tournaments all over the world. Fines range from 3000$ to 4000$ or jail time up to 7 years.
Yes, I hear they have recruited 15-20 former navy seals to deal with this issue in a task force called Operation CWAL.
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On February 23 2010 05:55 udgnim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 05:45 Rothbardian wrote:
I love how Blizzard only leases you the game. Funny. How much more absurdity do you need until more people become Anti-IP? this is standard business practice for a lot of company IPs
And to you that's acceptable? IP is such a joke. Kinsella has written extensively on this topic. Idea's are not property. Similarly, when I buy a physical product, the seller shouldn't own it. If they are going to go this route, at least make it well known beforehand so I can avoid it at all costs, or just decide that the benefits outweigh the cons. There's more to this here:
http://blog.mises.org/archives/009923.asp
Blizzard failsauce. A healthy competitive gaming scene will not develop from the top down corporate structure of Blizzard. They should realize that letting their game be free-form and allowing the competitive scene to develop organically will drive higher sales, and higher revenue. Micro managing this I think will backfire on Blizzard. In the end, this is my speculation.
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what are you people whining about, every game company does this, it was the same for SC1 tournaments. Most likely blizzard wont even charge a fee.
On February 23 2010 06:26 Rothbardian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 05:55 udgnim wrote:On February 23 2010 05:45 Rothbardian wrote:
I love how Blizzard only leases you the game. Funny. How much more absurdity do you need until more people become Anti-IP? this is standard business practice for a lot of company IPs And to you that's acceptable? IP is such a joke. Kinsella has written extensively on this topic. Idea's are not property. Similarly, when I buy a physical product, the seller shouldn't own it. If they are going to go this route, at least make it well known beforehand so I can avoid it at all costs, or just decide that the benefits outweigh the cons. There's more to this here: http://blog.mises.org/archives/009923.aspBlizzard failsauce. A healthy competitive gaming scene will not develop from the top down corporate structure of Blizzard. They should realize that letting their game be free-form and allowing the competitive scene to develop organically will drive higher sales, and higher revenue. Micro managing this I think will backfire on Blizzard. In the end, this is my speculation.
Its not Blizzard, its game companies in general, they all do it. If what you are saying where to be true, there would be no competitive gaming scene anywhere. They just send them an email and a few days later they´l get one back stating yeah sure host your tournament. Also the physical product you purchase is your copy of starcraft, for playing that you don´t need a license, its hosting a prizepool tournament with sponsors and coverage that needs a license.
Also nobody even actually *owns* SC2 yet, its the beta.
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On February 23 2010 06:03 Oddysay wrote:
blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong .
I agree.
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Because asking a fee to run a game that took them maybe 10 years to make is unreasonable, come on they have been doing this for wc3 and they dont want to do the same mystake they did in the battle versus Kespa
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On February 23 2010 06:03 Oddysay wrote:
blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong .
Explain to me why Brood War is around then because they have the same policy there.
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On February 23 2010 06:32 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 06:03 Oddysay wrote:
blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong . Explain to me why Brood War is around then because they have the same policy there.
yay it is not like if there are/were plenty of broodwar tourneys without licensing...
Also gl explaining how Iccup is legal 
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On February 23 2010 06:34 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 06:32 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:03 Oddysay wrote:
blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong . Explain to me why Brood War is around then because they have the same policy there. yay it is not like if there are/were plenty of broodwar tourneys without licensing... Also gl explaining how Iccup is legal
Ok, explain to me then how TSL exist.
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On February 23 2010 06:32 TArujo wrote:
Because asking a fee to run a game that took them maybe 10 years to make is unreasonable, come on they have been doing this for wc3 and they dont want to do the same mystake they did in the battle versus Kespa
Do they not get paid when they sell their product? What about long term research and development? Should we grant everything that takes 5+ years to produce de-facto complete ownership over their product? If this was the case, then we would never own anything, only be leasing or renting everything. As for me, I'd rather not be a feudal serf.
When I buy SCII I expect to have complete ownership over my property. If Blizzard makes it explicit that those who purchase SCII will not own the game, then I may just have to think twice about "purchasing" it.
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Rothbardian, I think you are too exclusively opposed to anyone doing anything that gives them power over you. I agree that IP can and has been used for nefarious purposes but that doesn't mean the entire concept is evil, and you're being unrealistic if you think it's going away entirely without major constitutional amendments which provide protections that preclude such practices.
I also agree that ideas are meant to spread and empower people with intelligence and wisdom, but the fact is that we have a society where you must make money to stay alive and part of that process is preventing other people from putting you out of business by using your ideas to enter business and compete against you. We are all in competition with one another--for money--and that's completely fundamental in an economy.
The one problem arises because "Blizzard" is not a person. It's an entity, and many many people work together to create the many ideas that become "SC2" but "Blizzard" is the only one who owns those ideas or is allowed to profit from them. This means that employees of Blizzard aren't guaranteed to get payed a fair amount for their work and contribution to Blizzard's products. However, that's their decision to contribute and they gay a paycheck.
I can see how you dislike the idea of IP, since the idea of owning knowledge is contrary to the beneficial process of spreading knowledge and empowering people with intelligence. But that's fundamental to our way of life. That's why we have words like Rube and Mark and Fish. An economy, like a poker game, is a zero-sum system where we compete for one another's money and using a knowledge advantage over others is the main way people earn money at all. I know how to paint houses and you don't, but if you pay me I'll paint yours.
You're just a rube that didn't make SC2, Blizzard made SC2 and since you couldn't do it yourself they're willing to let you play it in exchange for buying a license. Am I wrong? Is this wrong of them? I'm asking this for reals. In plain English, your own please, I'm not following your links ever again after the last tax protest thread, please tell me why this is wrong as I am genuinely curious what you think.
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Oh noes, corporations run based solely on profit gaining. This is so new!
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On February 23 2010 06:35 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 06:34 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:32 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:03 Oddysay wrote:
blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong . Explain to me why Brood War is around then because they have the same policy there. yay it is not like if there are/were plenty of broodwar tourneys without licensing... Also gl explaining how Iccup is legal Ok, explain to me then how TSL exist.
Answer my question first please.
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On February 23 2010 06:39 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 06:35 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:34 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:32 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:03 Oddysay wrote:
blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong . Explain to me why Brood War is around then because they have the same policy there. yay it is not like if there are/were plenty of broodwar tourneys without licensing... Also gl explaining how Iccup is legal Ok, explain to me then how TSL exist. Answer my question first please.
someone done posted they had to get a license for TSL..
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And Iccup is licensed bro ?
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I'm not sure people are reading the entirety of what the OP says judging from some of these replies lots of overreacting to something that is not even mentioned...
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On February 23 2010 06:38 Gedrah wrote:
Rothbardian, I think you are too exclusively opposed to anyone doing anything that gives them power over you. I agree that IP can and has been used for nefarious purposes but that doesn't mean the entire concept is evil, and you're being unrealistic if you think it's going away entirely without major constitutional amendments which provide protections that preclude such practices.
I also agree that ideas are meant to spread and empower people with intelligence and wisdom, but the fact is that we have a society where you must make money to stay alive and part of that process is preventing other people from putting you out of business by using your ideas to enter business and compete against you. We are all in competition with one another--for money--and that's completely fundamental in an economy.
The one problem arises because "Blizzard" is not a person. It's an entity, and many many people work together to create the many ideas that become "SC2" but "Blizzard" is the only one who owns those ideas or is allowed to profit from them. This means that employees of Blizzard aren't guaranteed to get payed a fair amount for their work and contribution to Blizzard's products. However, that's their decision to contribute and they gay a paycheck.
I can see how you dislike the idea of IP, since the idea of owning knowledge is contrary to the beneficial process of spreading knowledge and empowering people with intelligence. But that's fundamental to our way of life. That's why we have words like Rube and Mark and Fish. An economy, like a poker game, is a zero-sum system where we compete for one another's money and using a knowledge advantage over others is the main way people earn money at all. I know how to paint houses and you don't, but if you pay me I'll paint yours.
You're just a rube that didn't make SC2, Blizzard made SC2 and since you couldn't do it yourself they're willing to let you play it in exchange for buying a license. Am I wrong? Is this wrong of them? I'm asking this for reals. In plain English, your own please, I'm not following your links ever again after the last tax protest thread, please tell me why this is wrong as I am genuinely curious what you think.
Bolded. Wrong. In a voluntary exchange both parties end up better than they were going into the trade. This is a priori. I'm tired of seeing this fallacy perpetuated.
As for why I don't like IP? I'm both morally and utility-driven against IP. For one, IP raises the cost of all products due to the sheer size of bureaucracy involved to keep track of the thousands and thousands and thousands of patents, copyrights, trademarks, etc. It also costs companies to employ lawyers for the specific purpose of IP, not to mention all the court fees involved (Which, come from the Taxpayer).
As for the moral argument which I believe is much stronger, is that one cannot own an idea. An idea is an abstract principle. It is not a scarce physical good. You cannot tell me what I can or cannot think. Similarly, you cannot tell me what I can or cannot do with my own property. IP and Private Property are antithetical terms. Moreover, IP does not contribute to increased innovation. If this was the case, then we should be handing out monopolies left and right, since that is what IP is.
I'm an anti-monopolist, pro-private property, pro-Natural Law. I'm not opposed per se, to what Blizzard is doing; I'm opposed because they do not make it well known, and you sign no contract upon "purchasing" the license. I gave the link where Kinsella describes his position on EULA, TOS, Fine Print, etc. I happen to agree with his analysis.
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its not a bad thing really..
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On February 23 2010 06:39 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 06:35 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:34 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:32 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:03 Oddysay wrote:
blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong . Explain to me why Brood War is around then because they have the same policy there. yay it is not like if there are/were plenty of broodwar tourneys without licensing... Also gl explaining how Iccup is legal Ok, explain to me then how TSL exist. Answer my question first please.
Iccup isn't legal, I'm glad that those assholes will have a harder time in SC 2. They not only allow piracy, they encourage it. Hosting warez and what not.
But you see most serious communities that are based in the civilized world follow laws and regulations, for an example Team Liquid. And they had no issues applying for licenses in BW so I don't see how it will be any different in SC 2.
Blizzard isn't dumb, they are not going to go after community run tournaments and charge them. They want to have their cut when it comes to organizations like KeSPA that profit millions each year on their product.
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United States13896 Posts
Some people are so quick to grab the torches and pitchforks ...
There's absolutely nothing in the OP that is shocking/indicating Blizzard is going to come down with an iron fist here - they're just inquiring for information. It's not like Blizzard has shut Zotac down and said "NO YOU CAN'T!" in fact its just Zotac got hasty and announced/scheduled the cup before they should have (considering they hadn't secured the license yet).
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In all honesty the likelihood of Blizzard turning down almost any tournament at this stage is so low its ridiculous, the PR that it gives their game to have a tournament going for it while its still in Beta (EDIT: Still in the first two weeks of Beta at that) has got to feel great for them
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Oh btw ESL had no issues broadcasting SC 2 games earlier today. I seriously doubt that they bribed Blizzard with millions for that.
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On February 23 2010 06:49 Rothbardian wrote:
Bolded. Wrong. In a voluntary exchange both parties end up better than they were going into the trade. This is a priori. I'm tired of seeing this fallacy perpetuated.
As for why I don't like IP? I'm both morally and utility-driven against IP. For one, IP raises the cost of all products due to the sheer size of bureaucracy involved to keep track of the thousands and thousands and thousands of patents, copyrights, trademarks, etc. It also costs companies to employ lawyers for the specific purpose of IP, not to mention all the court fees involved (Which, come from the Taxpayer).
As for the moral argument which I believe is much stronger, is that one cannot own an idea. An idea is an abstract principle. It is not a scarce physical good. You cannot tell me what I can or cannot think. Similarly, you cannot tell me what I can or cannot do with my own property. IP and Private Property are antithetical terms. Moreover, IP does not contribute to increased innovation. If this was the case, then we should be handing out monopolies left and right, since that is what IP is.
I'm an anti-monopolist, pro-private property, pro-Natural Law. I'm not opposed per se, to what Blizzard is doing; I'm opposed because they do not make it well known, and you sign no contract upon "purchasing" the license. I gave the link where Kinsella describes his position on EULA, TOS, Fine Print, etc. I happen to agree with his analysis.
IP raises the cost of products while employing tons and tons of people who work to enforce the system of IP. Without this system, wouldn't we simply have a WHOLE LOT more unemployment? I agree with your various moral objections to IP but it does generate jobs and I don't think getting rid of IP would generate more jobs. Or would it? Basically, I want to know how you think the world would be a factually better place without IP. And I don't just mean in terms of how it would be harder for people to screw each other over with various deceptions. I mean, since we have an economic system where people must prove their worth by earning money BEFORE WE ARE WILLING TO FEED THEM, how does eliminating IP allow more people to successfully live their lives? Because I can already see how the existence of IP centralized the power to perform certain kinds of work and thus reduces the number of people that can work in the system, but I can't see how eliminating IP will result in net social improvements.
I definitely see your opposition now and I tend to agree that the whole thing is a kludge that slows down all sorts of positive natural processes in a society, but you must realize what an Atlas situation we're in. A whole, whole, whole, whole, whole lot of people depend on various aspects of the big, heavy, interweaved system in order to make the money that feeds their families. Sudden and destructive changes like this are exactly what we taxpayers spent $800,000,000,000 to prevent in 2008 (even though we didn't want to). This is why I ask you how your change will effect positive change to the system without "casualties" or "collateral damage".
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Before you all act like idiots who have never seen one of these licenses, basically it's to cover Blizzard's ass. If TL gets sued because our theme song was As Long As You Love Me, or we keep the 23k to buy vast quantities of ESports dollars and Blizzard has been "supporting" it through coverage on Twitter etc, you can probably see where there might be an issue....It's very standard and literally nothing to worry about.
Please don't talk stupid shit about Blizzard trying to kill Esports etc....if that was they case, why would they have a dedicated team to help support it?
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On February 23 2010 06:52 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 06:39 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:35 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:34 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:32 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:03 Oddysay wrote:
blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong . Explain to me why Brood War is around then because they have the same policy there. yay it is not like if there are/were plenty of broodwar tourneys without licensing... Also gl explaining how Iccup is legal Ok, explain to me then how TSL exist. Answer my question first please. Iccup isn't legal, I'm glad that those assholes will have a harder time in SC 2. They not only allow piracy, they encourage it. Hosting warez and what not. But you see most serious communities that are based in the civilized world follow laws and regulations, for an example Team Liquid. And they had no issues applying for licenses in BW so I don't see how it will be any different in SC 2. Blizzard isn't dumb, they are not going to go after community run tournaments and charge them. They want to have their cut when it comes to organizations like KeSPA that profit millions each year on their product.
Please stop the hypocrisy.
I love Team Liquid, and i love Iccup even if they are not legal.
I understand that the mods and the admins here are in very good terms with Blizzard so they asked them a license to run the TSL but eh they are running it on a Russian pirate server.
So you can bable all you want about Iccup being assholes and Team Liquid being saints, the reality isn't manichean.
I don't mind too if Blizzard charge a bit large corporations like KESPA who have their own leagues but i think that every small / mid tournament should be allowed without restriction, fees etc ...
This Zotac tournament had a 100 euros prize pool -.-
Why are you even comparing it to Kespa ?
edit: i think i'm done.
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On February 23 2010 07:01 Kennigit wrote:
Before you all act like idiots who have never seen one of these licenses, basically it's to cover Blizzard's ass. If TL gets sued because our theme song was As Long As You Love Me, or we keep the 23k to buy vast quantities of ESports dollars and Blizzard has been "supporting" it through coverage on Twitter etc, you can probably see where there might be an issue....It's very standard and literally nothing to worry about.
Please don't talk stupid shit about Blizzard trying to kill Esports etc....if that was they case, why would they have a dedicated team to help support it?
While they aren't "trying" to kill Esports, too much involvement may have a negative effect.
Their "Esports team" didn't manage to reply in time to allow the Zotac cup to run so already we see disadvantages to their approach.
I'd rather they didn't have an Esports team and didn't make that post on Battlenet.
I'd rather they took the SC1 approach of holding the power in the licensing but just not enforcing it. That way Blizzard covers their backs legally and we can all get on with advertising their content for them.
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On February 23 2010 07:01 Kennigit wrote:
Before you all act like idiots who have never seen one of these licenses, basically it's to cover Blizzard's ass. If TL gets sued because our theme song was As Long As You Love Me, or we keep the 23k to buy vast quantities of ESports dollars and Blizzard has been "supporting" it through coverage on Twitter etc, you can probably see where there might be an issue....It's very standard and literally nothing to worry about.
Please don't talk stupid shit about Blizzard trying to kill Esports etc....if that was they case, why would they have a dedicated team to help support it?
Care to provide the evidence that the existence of that team is a positive and not a negative on E-Sports?
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On February 23 2010 07:05 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 06:52 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:39 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:35 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:34 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:32 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:03 Oddysay wrote:
blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong . Explain to me why Brood War is around then because they have the same policy there. yay it is not like if there are/were plenty of broodwar tourneys without licensing... Also gl explaining how Iccup is legal Ok, explain to me then how TSL exist. Answer my question first please. Iccup isn't legal, I'm glad that those assholes will have a harder time in SC 2. They not only allow piracy, they encourage it. Hosting warez and what not. But you see most serious communities that are based in the civilized world follow laws and regulations, for an example Team Liquid. And they had no issues applying for licenses in BW so I don't see how it will be any different in SC 2. Blizzard isn't dumb, they are not going to go after community run tournaments and charge them. They want to have their cut when it comes to organizations like KeSPA that profit millions each year on their product. Please stop the hypocrisy. I love Team Liquid, and i love Iccup even if they are not legal. I understand that the mods and the admins here are in very good terms with Blizzard so they asked them a license to run the TSL but eh they are running it on a Russian pirate server. So you can bable all you want about Iccup being assholes and Team Liquid being saints, the reality isn't manichean. I don't mind too if Blizzard charge a bit large corporations like KESPA who have their own leagues but i think that every small / mid tournament should be allowed without restriction, fees etc ... This Zotac tournament had a 100 euros prize pool -.- Why are you even comparing it to Kespa ? edit: i think i'm done.
I get why people (and Team Liquid) use Iccup, I don't fault them for that. Starcraft's ladder system is subpar and barely playable. That doesn't excuse Iccup for encouraging piracy and the sooner they are gone the better.
Regarding the tournaments you are agreeing with me, thats what I have been saying and Blizzard didn't try to charge the Zotac tournament for anything.
Zotac asked Blizzard last week for a license and before Blizzard had any chance to answer them they announced their tournament. When Blizzard didn't had the time to get back to them before the weekend the organizers of Zotac got cold feet and canceled it. This whole Zotac mess is due to poor organization from their admins.
Anyway they will most likely do their tournament this upcoming Sunday.
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On February 23 2010 07:19 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 07:05 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:52 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:39 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:35 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:34 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:32 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:03 Oddysay wrote:
blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong . Explain to me why Brood War is around then because they have the same policy there. yay it is not like if there are/were plenty of broodwar tourneys without licensing... Also gl explaining how Iccup is legal Ok, explain to me then how TSL exist. Answer my question first please. Iccup isn't legal, I'm glad that those assholes will have a harder time in SC 2. They not only allow piracy, they encourage it. Hosting warez and what not. But you see most serious communities that are based in the civilized world follow laws and regulations, for an example Team Liquid. And they had no issues applying for licenses in BW so I don't see how it will be any different in SC 2. Blizzard isn't dumb, they are not going to go after community run tournaments and charge them. They want to have their cut when it comes to organizations like KeSPA that profit millions each year on their product. Please stop the hypocrisy. I love Team Liquid, and i love Iccup even if they are not legal. I understand that the mods and the admins here are in very good terms with Blizzard so they asked them a license to run the TSL but eh they are running it on a Russian pirate server. So you can bable all you want about Iccup being assholes and Team Liquid being saints, the reality isn't manichean. I don't mind too if Blizzard charge a bit large corporations like KESPA who have their own leagues but i think that every small / mid tournament should be allowed without restriction, fees etc ... This Zotac tournament had a 100 euros prize pool -.- Why are you even comparing it to Kespa ? edit: i think i'm done. I get why people (and Team Liquid) use Iccup, I don't fault them for that. Starcraft's ladder system is subpar and barely playable. That doesn't excuse Iccup for encouraging piracy and the sooner they are gone the better. Regarding the tournaments you are agreeing with me, thats what I have been saying and Blizzard didn't try to charge the Zotac tournament for anything. Zotac asked Blizzard last week for a license and before Blizzard had any chance to answer them they announced their tournament. When Blizzard didn't had the time to get back to them before the weekend the organizers of Zotac got cold feet and canceled it. This whole Zotac mess is due to poor organization from their admins. Anyway they will most likely do their tournament this upcoming Sunday.
Hypocrisy + Bureaucracy + Moral relativism = Fail.
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On February 23 2010 07:21 Rothbardian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 07:19 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 07:05 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:52 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:39 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:35 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:34 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:32 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:03 Oddysay wrote:
blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong . Explain to me why Brood War is around then because they have the same policy there. yay it is not like if there are/were plenty of broodwar tourneys without licensing... Also gl explaining how Iccup is legal Ok, explain to me then how TSL exist. Answer my question first please. Iccup isn't legal, I'm glad that those assholes will have a harder time in SC 2. They not only allow piracy, they encourage it. Hosting warez and what not. But you see most serious communities that are based in the civilized world follow laws and regulations, for an example Team Liquid. And they had no issues applying for licenses in BW so I don't see how it will be any different in SC 2. Blizzard isn't dumb, they are not going to go after community run tournaments and charge them. They want to have their cut when it comes to organizations like KeSPA that profit millions each year on their product. Please stop the hypocrisy. I love Team Liquid, and i love Iccup even if they are not legal. I understand that the mods and the admins here are in very good terms with Blizzard so they asked them a license to run the TSL but eh they are running it on a Russian pirate server. So you can bable all you want about Iccup being assholes and Team Liquid being saints, the reality isn't manichean. I don't mind too if Blizzard charge a bit large corporations like KESPA who have their own leagues but i think that every small / mid tournament should be allowed without restriction, fees etc ... This Zotac tournament had a 100 euros prize pool -.- Why are you even comparing it to Kespa ? edit: i think i'm done. I get why people (and Team Liquid) use Iccup, I don't fault them for that. Starcraft's ladder system is subpar and barely playable. That doesn't excuse Iccup for encouraging piracy and the sooner they are gone the better. Regarding the tournaments you are agreeing with me, thats what I have been saying and Blizzard didn't try to charge the Zotac tournament for anything. Zotac asked Blizzard last week for a license and before Blizzard had any chance to answer them they announced their tournament. When Blizzard didn't had the time to get back to them before the weekend the organizers of Zotac got cold feet and canceled it. This whole Zotac mess is due to poor organization from their admins. Anyway they will most likely do their tournament this upcoming Sunday. Hypocrisy + Bureaucracy + Moral relativism = Fail.
Go back to whatever Ron Paul forum you came from.
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On February 23 2010 07:17 Rothbardian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 07:01 Kennigit wrote:
Before you all act like idiots who have never seen one of these licenses, basically it's to cover Blizzard's ass. If TL gets sued because our theme song was As Long As You Love Me, or we keep the 23k to buy vast quantities of ESports dollars and Blizzard has been "supporting" it through coverage on Twitter etc, you can probably see where there might be an issue....It's very standard and literally nothing to worry about.
Please don't talk stupid shit about Blizzard trying to kill Esports etc....if that was they case, why would they have a dedicated team to help support it?
Care to provide the evidence that the existence of that team is a positive and not a negative on E-Sports?
Why would blizzard purpusfully put a team together to have a negative influence on thier game that makes no sense.. find some evidence to support them being a negative on "E-SPORTS!!"
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On February 23 2010 07:21 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 07:21 Rothbardian wrote:On February 23 2010 07:19 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 07:05 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:52 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:39 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:35 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:34 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2010 06:32 Eury wrote:On February 23 2010 06:03 Oddysay wrote:
blizzard will kill the e-sports if they dont stop about license .
i know you guy are fanboy and love blizzard but what they are doing right now = just wrong . Explain to me why Brood War is around then because they have the same policy there. yay it is not like if there are/were plenty of broodwar tourneys without licensing... Also gl explaining how Iccup is legal Ok, explain to me then how TSL exist. Answer my question first please. Iccup isn't legal, I'm glad that those assholes will have a harder time in SC 2. They not only allow piracy, they encourage it. Hosting warez and what not. But you see most serious communities that are based in the civilized world follow laws and regulations, for an example Team Liquid. And they had no issues applying for licenses in BW so I don't see how it will be any different in SC 2. Blizzard isn't dumb, they are not going to go after community run tournaments and charge them. They want to have their cut when it comes to organizations like KeSPA that profit millions each year on their product. Please stop the hypocrisy. I love Team Liquid, and i love Iccup even if they are not legal. I understand that the mods and the admins here are in very good terms with Blizzard so they asked them a license to run the TSL but eh they are running it on a Russian pirate server. So you can bable all you want about Iccup being assholes and Team Liquid being saints, the reality isn't manichean. I don't mind too if Blizzard charge a bit large corporations like KESPA who have their own leagues but i think that every small / mid tournament should be allowed without restriction, fees etc ... This Zotac tournament had a 100 euros prize pool -.- Why are you even comparing it to Kespa ? edit: i think i'm done. I get why people (and Team Liquid) use Iccup, I don't fault them for that. Starcraft's ladder system is subpar and barely playable. That doesn't excuse Iccup for encouraging piracy and the sooner they are gone the better. Regarding the tournaments you are agreeing with me, thats what I have been saying and Blizzard didn't try to charge the Zotac tournament for anything. Zotac asked Blizzard last week for a license and before Blizzard had any chance to answer them they announced their tournament. When Blizzard didn't had the time to get back to them before the weekend the organizers of Zotac got cold feet and canceled it. This whole Zotac mess is due to poor organization from their admins. Anyway they will most likely do their tournament this upcoming Sunday. Hypocrisy + Bureaucracy + Moral relativism = Fail. Go back to whatever Ron Paul forum you came from.
While I do like Ron Paul, I'm apolitical. If Blizzard can't even handle this simple task in 5 days, what makes you think they can do anything when there is going to be a ton of tournaments taking place (or not taking place if it was up to you). It reminds me of people who are so adamantly against privatizing roads, yet incessantly complain about roadways and going back and forth to work taking a hour to drive 5 miles.
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On February 23 2010 07:17 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 07:01 Kennigit wrote:
Before you all act like idiots who have never seen one of these licenses, basically it's to cover Blizzard's ass. If TL gets sued because our theme song was As Long As You Love Me, or we keep the 23k to buy vast quantities of ESports dollars and Blizzard has been "supporting" it through coverage on Twitter etc, you can probably see where there might be an issue....It's very standard and literally nothing to worry about.
Please don't talk stupid shit about Blizzard trying to kill Esports etc....if that was they case, why would they have a dedicated team to help support it?
While they aren't "trying" to kill Esports, too much involvement may have a negative effect. Their "Esports team" didn't manage to reply in time to allow the Zotac cup to run so already we see disadvantages to their approach. I'd rather they didn't have an Esports team and didn't make that post on Battlenet. I'd rather they took the SC1 approach of holding the power in the licensing but just not enforcing it. That way Blizzard covers their backs legally and we can all get on with advertising their content for them.
Don't talk bullshit. It has zero negative effect except that you have to wait a couple weeks instead of doing the stupid thing and rushing a tournament you planned in 3 days (ZOTAC?). I love how people want esports to grow and want Blizzard's support but as soon as any is shown, they freak out without knowing ANY actual facts and just theorizing what "could" happen. Please list me the negative effects you have seen in the foreign scene from the esports team (which has existed FOR YEARS). Valve shows zero support for CS and treats it the same way they would any other mod - Is this what you want?
All this licensing is doing is giving structure to inexperienced jobbers who want to run tournaments.
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On February 23 2010 07:25 emucxg wrote:
is iccup legal?
No.
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On February 23 2010 07:23 Manbear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 07:17 Rothbardian wrote:On February 23 2010 07:01 Kennigit wrote:
Before you all act like idiots who have never seen one of these licenses, basically it's to cover Blizzard's ass. If TL gets sued because our theme song was As Long As You Love Me, or we keep the 23k to buy vast quantities of ESports dollars and Blizzard has been "supporting" it through coverage on Twitter etc, you can probably see where there might be an issue....It's very standard and literally nothing to worry about.
Please don't talk stupid shit about Blizzard trying to kill Esports etc....if that was they case, why would they have a dedicated team to help support it?
Care to provide the evidence that the existence of that team is a positive and not a negative on E-Sports? Why would blizzard purpusfully put a team together to have a negative influence on thier game that makes no sense.. find some evidence to support them being a negative on "E-SPORTS!!"
No one said that. Hell is paved by the best intentions. They may intend to help E-Sports, but in doing so they ruin it. This is actually very common. For one, bureaucracy always is inefficient and a negative.
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Next person to make a wild statement without any actual FACTS is getting banned. I probably sound like a bit of a fan-boy, but as someone who talks to the guys on the esports team pretty regular, it's fucking infuriating to hear idiots who have no idea about the licenses, the esports team or how any of it works run their mouths.
Here is an example of a fact.
- Blizzard said they wanted 95% of the prize pool in order to get a license so i couldn't run my tournament. (MADE UP EXAMPLE ONLY JOBBERS)
Here is an example of something that is not a fact
- They may intend to help E-Sports, but in doing so they ruin it.
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On February 23 2010 07:27 Rothbardian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 07:23 Manbear wrote:On February 23 2010 07:17 Rothbardian wrote:On February 23 2010 07:01 Kennigit wrote:
Before you all act like idiots who have never seen one of these licenses, basically it's to cover Blizzard's ass. If TL gets sued because our theme song was As Long As You Love Me, or we keep the 23k to buy vast quantities of ESports dollars and Blizzard has been "supporting" it through coverage on Twitter etc, you can probably see where there might be an issue....It's very standard and literally nothing to worry about.
Please don't talk stupid shit about Blizzard trying to kill Esports etc....if that was they case, why would they have a dedicated team to help support it?
Care to provide the evidence that the existence of that team is a positive and not a negative on E-Sports? Why would blizzard purpusfully put a team together to have a negative influence on thier game that makes no sense.. find some evidence to support them being a negative on "E-SPORTS!!" No one said that. Hell is paved by the best intentions. They may intend to help E-Sports, but in doing so they ruin it. This is actually very common. For one, bureaucracy always is inefficient and a negative.
What causes you to believe that they will ruin it, where have they gone wrong so far?
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On February 23 2010 07:30 Kennigit wrote:
Here is an example of a fact.
- Blizzard said they wanted 95% of the prize pool in order to get a license so i couldn't run my tournament.
I assume it isn't a true fact though, just to note since people might misinterpret that somehow.
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Kennigit
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Thanks, clarified for the legion of idiots.
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I understand that Zotac didnt get a reply right away because Blizzard needs to check and see if the tournament is legit. Though I feel like if the website hosting a tournament has a following and want to hold a tournament - what business is it of Blizzards? Once they buy their copy of SC2, that should be enough and they should be able to hold tournaments among themselves. It just feels a little bureaucratic that Blizzard needs to OK a 100€ tournament. . .
Reserve the licensing for bigger fish - like Kespa - though Kespa should be given a pass because of the great value they have added to the SC scene. Without Kespa Starcraft would have a following the size of Red Alert 2.
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I dont like tournament license shit, but also Im not against it. I mean, it's their game, they can make any rule if they want to.
but the problem is, there is too few information given by blizzard about tournament licenses...well, at least I didnt know before that I would need license if Im making some tournament happen.
I'm pretty sure it was also surprise for zotac that they would need tournament license.
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On February 23 2010 07:55 Emon_ wrote:
Blizzard needs to check and see if the tournament is legit.
How it can be illegal?
is there any illegal starcraft tournament before?
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On February 23 2010 07:56 emucxg wrote:
I'm pretty sure it was also surprise for zotac that they would need tournament license.
I don't see how considering they have hosted WC 3 tournaments every week for years.
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On February 23 2010 08:01 emucxg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 07:55 Emon_ wrote:
Blizzard needs to check and see if the tournament is legit. How it can be illegal? is there any illegal starcraft tournament before?
Idono im guessing if first prize was a 13 year old sex slave then it might be illigal but I don't think that has happened.. yet...
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On February 23 2010 07:25 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 07:17 Klive5ive wrote:On February 23 2010 07:01 Kennigit wrote:
Before you all act like idiots who have never seen one of these licenses, basically it's to cover Blizzard's ass. If TL gets sued because our theme song was As Long As You Love Me, or we keep the 23k to buy vast quantities of ESports dollars and Blizzard has been "supporting" it through coverage on Twitter etc, you can probably see where there might be an issue....It's very standard and literally nothing to worry about.
Please don't talk stupid shit about Blizzard trying to kill Esports etc....if that was they case, why would they have a dedicated team to help support it?
While they aren't "trying" to kill Esports, too much involvement may have a negative effect. Their "Esports team" didn't manage to reply in time to allow the Zotac cup to run so already we see disadvantages to their approach. I'd rather they didn't have an Esports team and didn't make that post on Battlenet. I'd rather they took the SC1 approach of holding the power in the licensing but just not enforcing it. That way Blizzard covers their backs legally and we can all get on with advertising their content for them. Don't talk bullshit. It has zero negative effect except that you have to wait a couple weeks instead of doing the stupid thing and rushing a tournament you planned in 3 days (ZOTAC?). I love how people want esports to grow and want Blizzard's support but as soon as any is shown, they freak out without knowing ANY actual facts and just theorizing what "could" happen. Please list me the negative effects you have seen in the foreign scene from the esports team (which has existed FOR YEARS). Valve shows zero support for CS and treats it the same way they would any other mod - Is this what you want? All this licensing is doing is giving structure to inexperienced jobbers who want to run tournaments.
I don't see how mods get away with calling bullshit. Raging out doesn't make you particularly convincing either. It's obviously not bullshit since you admitted yourself that Zotac was affected.
Since you're an insider you could perhaps tell us what exactly the Esports team is doing that's so important they can't answer ONE email?
Ultimately people ARE concerned by this albeit subtle change in their policy and until we see the Esports team do something useful (like set up a tournament themselves) it's hard to see this as a positive change.
Can you elaborate on your CS point. I think many see CS as the number1 FPS Esport in the world, what exactly do you mean?
If you talk to them regularly why don't you explain to us what they do exactly and how the changes in the licensing is going to make things better?
Admittedly a lot of the posts are over the top and maybe we'll look back and wonder why we were ever concerned. That doesn't take away the fact that right now all we see is a cancelled tournament and an Esports team that doesn't appear to be doing anything.
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On February 23 2010 19:07 Klive5ive wrote:
Ultimately people ARE concerned by this albeit subtle change in their policy
Its not a change of policy, it always has been like this.
This thread only exists because there are tons of people who didn´t realize that this is totally standard procedure, you need licenses for SC1 tournaments, you need licenses for WC3 tournaments and it has always been this way. Its not just Blizzard, every game company does this. Zotac needed licenses for their SC1and WC3 tournaments too.
EVERY company does this, the reason there´s so much drama going on between KESPA and Blizzard is the fact that South Korea has different laws. And because of that KESPA isn´t forced to aquire licenses.
And Iccup is illegal, but Blizzard lets them be. They probably figured that Iccup could even improve their sales by encouraging more people to play the game. Not that i know, but Blizzard would have done something if they thought Iccup lowered their sales in any way. Iccup is technically illegal because the law says so, not because Blizzard says so.
I can´t believe people being outraged by this, even if they didn´t know it was standard procedure. Everyone knows that its a companies goal to make maximum profit.
Did people have this fantasy of Blizzard not being like any other company, just because they made the game we play and love?
Also people whore spewing shit around like Blizzard´s crippling themselves, if they set these restrictions it will harm their sales. Nobody even has any facts, like how big of a fee there is, or if there even is one. Does anybody posting here really think they know it better than the people working at Blizzard? Since most people here weren´t even aware of the fact, that acquiring a license for running a tourney is standard and nothing new, i´m gonna boldly state:No, none of you know crap.
The most likely reason for Blizzard not contacting Zotac yet, is that this is the Beta of their new game, which hasn´t even lasted a week yet. They probably want to evaluate and observe any inquiry for a tourney very carefully, because it is an especially critical time for making the game public and spreading it. They´re gonna be way less restrictive and careful about SC1 tourneys, because SC1 isn´t Blizzard big money maker anymore and hasn´t been for a long time. If somebody hosts a SC1 tournament with bad organization and shitty coverage they probably wouldn´t care too much, because the game is so old and they don´t see a huge wave of potential buyers because someone runs a tourney.
But if someone runs an SC2 tournament with bad organization and shitty coverage just a few days after the beta released, that could seriously influence Blizzard sales.
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On February 24 2010 03:01 Wurzelbrumpft wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 19:07 Klive5ive wrote:
Ultimately people ARE concerned by this albeit subtle change in their policy Its not a change of policy, it always has been like this. This thread only exists because there are tons of people who didn´t realize that this is totally standard procedure, you need licenses for SC1 tournaments, you need licenses for WC3 tournaments and it has always been this way. Its not just Blizzard, every game company does this. Zotac needed licenses for their SC1and WC3 tournaments too. EVERY company does this, the reason there´s so much drama going on between KESPA and Blizzard is the fact that South Korea has different laws. And because of that KESPA isn´t forced to aquire licenses. And Iccup is illegal, but Blizzard lets them be. They probably figured that Iccup could even improve their sales by encouraging more people to play the game. Not that i know, but Blizzard would have done something if they thought Iccup lowered their sales in any way. Iccup is technically illegal because the law says so, not because Blizzard says so. I can´t believe people being outraged by this, even if they didn´t know it was standard procedure. Everyone knows that its a companies goal to make maximum profit. Did people have this fantasy of Blizzard not being like any other company, just because they made the game we play and love? Also people whore spewing shit around like Blizzard´s crippling themselves, if they set these restrictions it will harm their sales. Nobody even has any facts, like how big of a fee there is, or if there even is one. Does anybody posting here really think they know it better than the people working at Blizzard? Since most people here weren´t even aware of the fact, that acquiring a license for running a tourney is standard and nothing new, i´m gonna boldly state:No, none of you know crap.
yea well welcome to the 21st century economics is ever chaning, and pre recession alot of companies were "gettin money" using stantard procedures. and of the reasons for sc success was the fact that cloud ladder, wgt, iccup and korean leagues existed, without blizzard interveening
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On February 24 2010 03:23 uiCk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2010 03:01 Wurzelbrumpft wrote:On February 23 2010 19:07 Klive5ive wrote:
Ultimately people ARE concerned by this albeit subtle change in their policy Its not a change of policy, it always has been like this. This thread only exists because there are tons of people who didn´t realize that this is totally standard procedure, you need licenses for SC1 tournaments, you need licenses for WC3 tournaments and it has always been this way. Its not just Blizzard, every game company does this. Zotac needed licenses for their SC1and WC3 tournaments too. EVERY company does this, the reason there´s so much drama going on between KESPA and Blizzard is the fact that South Korea has different laws. And because of that KESPA isn´t forced to aquire licenses. And Iccup is illegal, but Blizzard lets them be. They probably figured that Iccup could even improve their sales by encouraging more people to play the game. Not that i know, but Blizzard would have done something if they thought Iccup lowered their sales in any way. Iccup is technically illegal because the law says so, not because Blizzard says so. I can´t believe people being outraged by this, even if they didn´t know it was standard procedure. Everyone knows that its a companies goal to make maximum profit. Did people have this fantasy of Blizzard not being like any other company, just because they made the game we play and love? Also people whore spewing shit around like Blizzard´s crippling themselves, if they set these restrictions it will harm their sales. Nobody even has any facts, like how big of a fee there is, or if there even is one. Does anybody posting here really think they know it better than the people working at Blizzard? Since most people here weren´t even aware of the fact, that acquiring a license for running a tourney is standard and nothing new, i´m gonna boldly state:No, none of you know crap. yea well welcome to the 21st century economics is ever chaning, and pre recession alot of companies were "gettin money" using stantard procedures. and of the reasons for sc success was the fact that cloud ladder, wgt, iccup and korean leagues existed, without blizzard interveening
You are aware that WGT is a Blizzard-approved ladder, right?
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Kennigit
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I get to call bullshit because i talk to the esports team when we need a license and have experience first hand how it actually works?
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On February 24 2010 03:23 uiCk wrote:
yea well welcome to the 21st century economics is ever chaning, and pre recession alot of companies were "gettin money" using stantard procedures. and of the reasons for sc success was the fact that cloud ladder, wgt, iccup and korean leagues existed, without blizzard interveening
Do you have any facts? Do you know that blizzard didn´t request a license from any of those ladders? And what does the recession have to do with this? The stockmarket crashed, because too many gaming companies wanted licenses for tournaments? Korea doesn´t count because they have different laws, and Blizzard can´t do much anyway, after the game is already released and sold there. Blizzard didn´t foresee that SC would get so huge in Korea. But now they know, and also know that Korea/Kespa is interested in broadcasting SC2 there.
ladders are something else entirely, they don´t give coverage, they are not broadcasted. Why should Blizzard care about people, who bought the game, playing on some different server than their own. I think your wrong thinking the reason for sc´s succes where ladders like wgt and iccup. I dont think people bought sc because they heard something like wgt or iccup was around.
Tourneys are a different story. They are often sponsored by companies, because they are broadcasted, or made public in some way or another. This i why Blizzard cares. And they will take special care of the coverage their brand new game gets.
edit: and your already proven wrong...
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blizzard killed wgt =P
lol
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Has anybody noticed that Blizzard wasn`t called a money-grubbing company until after they were bought by Activision, at least not so furiously.
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On February 24 2010 03:59 Krisban wrote:
Has anybody noticed that Blizzard wasn`t called a money-grubbing company until after they were bought by Activision, at least not so furiously.
sigh.... Blizzard was not bought by Activision. Activision and Vivendi merged, with Vivendi being the majority shareholder (something like 55%). so technically, Vivendi bought Activision, not the other way around
edit: then again, this has nothing to do with the topic. Like Kennigit is saying, this is nothing new.
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On February 23 2010 06:16 Schnake wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 05:00 MidKnight wrote:On February 23 2010 04:46 krndandaman wrote:On February 23 2010 04:45 Shadowfury333 wrote:
Hopefully they don't care about small tourneys, since I'm sure my school's games club will be having an SC2 tourney when it comes out, and I wouldn't want to have to bother with legal fees to run it. Doubt they'll even hear about local tournaments. What are you talking about? Blizzard has hired a special ops team specifically trained to find illegal SC2 tournaments all over the world. Fines range from 3000$ to 4000$ or jail time up to 7 years. Yes, I hear they have recruited 15-20 former navy seals to deal with this issue in a task force called Operation CWAL.
Win <3
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On May 28 2010 10:00 love1another wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2010 06:16 Schnake wrote:On February 23 2010 05:00 MidKnight wrote:On February 23 2010 04:46 krndandaman wrote:On February 23 2010 04:45 Shadowfury333 wrote:
Hopefully they don't care about small tourneys, since I'm sure my school's games club will be having an SC2 tourney when it comes out, and I wouldn't want to have to bother with legal fees to run it. Doubt they'll even hear about local tournaments. What are you talking about? Blizzard has hired a special ops team specifically trained to find illegal SC2 tournaments all over the world. Fines range from 3000$ to 4000$ or jail time up to 7 years. Yes, I hear they have recruited 15-20 former navy seals to deal with this issue in a task force called Operation CWAL. Win <3
What are you doing necroing a 3 month old thread to make a one word reply?
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This is one of the biggest worry for tournament organizers, long reply time or an indefinite time of waiting.
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