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[ASL21] Semifinals B - Page 14

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I can't even believe it

nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3768 Posts
May 12 2026 18:23 GMT
#261
OK so Artosis was right? "He is probably ten times better at TvT than everyone else"?

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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10509 Posts
May 12 2026 20:50 GMT
#262
Idk which was more lopsided... FlaSh vs Light, or Soma vs hero. What a display of TvT mastery. Light was never even in it in any of their games, total 1-sided affairs.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13427 Posts
May 12 2026 20:50 GMT
#263
Unreal how good flash is and how much better he is than any other pro. Guy just hasn’t been playing much due to his injury issues and comes back to dominate everyone like it’s nothing.

His macro vs Snow last week and Light this week was almost not human. He was constantly like 20-50 supply up even when taking suboptimal engagements.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13427 Posts
May 12 2026 20:52 GMT
#264
It’s a shame this ASL will be the end of Flash. When he’s around he kinda forces everyone to be better if they want to match his level. When he’s not playing the other pros get sucked into a malaise of good but not great.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
TonDan04
Profile Joined October 2025
51 Posts
May 12 2026 22:29 GMT
#265
Light's TvT is usually really predictable, he does a lot of transition into double port wraiths mid game and is by the book in his style. I can see why Flash was able to exploit this. Also, if you've seen Light's games you know he's actually one of the slower Terrans, at least against Terrans and Protoss opponents. Alot of the replays I've seen of his he hovers around 250 alot.
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States388 Posts
May 13 2026 05:15 GMT
#266
God is good
QRCode
Profile Joined December 2024
United States62 Posts
May 13 2026 05:20 GMT
#267
On May 13 2026 05:52 RowdierBob wrote:
It’s a shame this ASL will be the end of Flash. When he’s around he kinda forces everyone to be better if they want to match his level. When he’s not playing the other pros get sucked into a malaise of good but not great.


I am convinced that Flash is behind the recent surge in meta play. He seems to have boiled the game down to a science and has imparted his ways of thinking to other players, especially the Protoss, and now you see them playing a slow and deliberate style like Terran. One of the basic principles seems to be playing around your range for map control. So Protoss have adopted this against Zerg by massing Dragoons and sitting back with storms.
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2143 Posts
May 13 2026 06:35 GMT
#268
Pretty crazy result. Poor Light.
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8072 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-05-13 06:56:52
May 13 2026 06:56 GMT
#269
I thought people were exaggerating about Flash's wrist posture but watching the VOD, holy crap his left wrist is bent the entire time. IMO (complete speculation) it is like he is playing without worrying about posture anymore since he knows this may be his last ASL...

Also the belt thing after every game is ridiculous lol...
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8072 Posts
May 13 2026 07:22 GMT
#270
BTW is this going to be the most hyped finals since.... ASL 6? Or ASL 11?
Urth
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1256 Posts
May 13 2026 07:23 GMT
#271
Wow, Flash is so strong. Game 1 was just amazing. I can't believe how dominating Flash looked this series. Like his TvT has always been insane, and he looked really strong earlier in the tourny, but I never would have guessed he would 4-0 someone of Light's calibre.
BY.HERO FIGHTING!!!!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5638 Posts
May 13 2026 08:23 GMT
#272
On May 13 2026 15:56 Vasoline73 wrote:
I thought people were exaggerating about Flash's wrist posture but watching the VOD, holy crap his left wrist is bent the entire time. IMO (complete speculation) it is like he is playing without worrying about posture anymore since he knows this may be his last ASL...

Also the belt thing after every game is ridiculous lol...

Maybe instead of a golen ruler, ASL can give Flash a golden button or golden belt buckle.
FBH #1!
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2570 Posts
May 13 2026 08:50 GMT
#273
On May 13 2026 17:23 Peeano wrote:
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On May 13 2026 15:56 Vasoline73 wrote:
I thought people were exaggerating about Flash's wrist posture but watching the VOD, holy crap his left wrist is bent the entire time. IMO (complete speculation) it is like he is playing without worrying about posture anymore since he knows this may be his last ASL...

Also the belt thing after every game is ridiculous lol...

Maybe instead of a golen ruler, ASL can give Flash a golden button or golden belt buckle.

need to give his ass a golden arm so he can continue to play.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-05-13 08:52:04
May 13 2026 08:50 GMT
#274
On May 13 2026 07:29 TonDan04 wrote:
Light's TvT is usually really predictable, he does a lot of transition into double port wraiths mid game and is by the book in his style. I can see why Flash was able to exploit this. Also, if you've seen Light's games you know he's actually one of the slower Terrans, at least against Terrans and Protoss opponents. Alot of the replays I've seen of his he hovers around 250 alot.

Light is by no means slow though. he has moments where he goes lower, but averages 290-330 with almost no excess inputs. He generally has the crispest timings vs P and Z. TvT is his worst but usually not this lopsided even vs FlaSh. He got outbuild ordered by FlaSh quite hard every game because light went pure standard.
JDON MY SOUL!
Soulforged
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Latvia974 Posts
May 13 2026 10:10 GMT
#275
Light really is the Terran's Best, isn't he?

Best kind of started mixing up his play significantly more after getting demolished by Mini in a PvP series due to being so predictable.
That felt like a turning point (not that he really saw more success overall since, just you can see he plays longer series with more variety now).

Wonder where Light will take his play from here.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8932 Posts
May 13 2026 10:10 GMT
#276
On May 13 2026 15:56 Vasoline73 wrote:
I thought people were exaggerating about Flash's wrist posture but watching the VOD, holy crap his left wrist is bent the entire time. IMO (complete speculation) it is like he is playing without worrying about posture anymore since he knows this may be his last ASL...

Also the belt thing after every game is ridiculous lol...

Flash
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
TonDan04
Profile Joined October 2025
51 Posts
May 13 2026 11:04 GMT
#277
On May 13 2026 17:50 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
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On May 13 2026 07:29 TonDan04 wrote:
Light's TvT is usually really predictable, he does a lot of transition into double port wraiths mid game and is by the book in his style. I can see why Flash was able to exploit this. Also, if you've seen Light's games you know he's actually one of the slower Terrans, at least against Terrans and Protoss opponents. Alot of the replays I've seen of his he hovers around 250 alot.

Light is by no means slow though. he has moments where he goes lower, but averages 290-330 with almost no excess inputs. He generally has the crispest timings vs P and Z. TvT is his worst but usually not this lopsided even vs FlaSh. He got outbuild ordered by FlaSh quite hard every game because light went pure standard.


Watch any of his tvp or tvt, he's hovering around 250 alot of the times but rises to 300 occasionally. Then watch many of the other terrans like Flash, Barracks, they're never below 300. Im not saying it's. Huge difference, who knows, but he is noticeably slower and you can see how that translates to Flash being able to multitask better in this series.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-05-13 13:32:30
May 13 2026 13:31 GMT
#278
On May 13 2026 20:04 TonDan04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2026 17:50 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On May 13 2026 07:29 TonDan04 wrote:
Light's TvT is usually really predictable, he does a lot of transition into double port wraiths mid game and is by the book in his style. I can see why Flash was able to exploit this. Also, if you've seen Light's games you know he's actually one of the slower Terrans, at least against Terrans and Protoss opponents. Alot of the replays I've seen of his he hovers around 250 alot.

Light is by no means slow though. he has moments where he goes lower, but averages 290-330 with almost no excess inputs. He generally has the crispest timings vs P and Z. TvT is his worst but usually not this lopsided even vs FlaSh. He got outbuild ordered by FlaSh quite hard every game because light went pure standard.


Watch any of his tvp or tvt, he's hovering around 250 alot of the times but rises to 300 occasionally. Then watch many of the other terrans like Flash, Barracks, they're never below 300. Im not saying it's. Huge difference, who knows, but he is noticeably slower and you can see how that translates to Flash being able to multitask better in this series.


It is most noticable with Speed.
Speed has become the best performing online Terran behind Flash and Light purely because he is by far the fastest terran who can actually put that APM to effective use with Multitasking. Speed generally wins TVP vs Mini, Best, Bisu, and does well enough vs SnOw. His TvZ also generally wins vs everyone but SoMa. Most of his games are Chinese spons or Chinese/starcast spons so they dont always appear on Eloboard.
JDON MY SOUL!
Postalpj
Profile Joined March 2026
15 Posts
May 13 2026 14:02 GMT
#279
On May 13 2026 01:25 BisuDagger wrote:
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On May 12 2026 20:38 okum wrote:
Did Flash just play a PvT but with goliaths instead of dragoons in game 1?

I said this exact same thing in my head. He wanted to prove P > T while still using his main.


If only dragoons were as good as goliaths vs mines.

Protoss really got shafted by having the slowest moving ranged attacks. Mines are really good, but z and t can a move through a minefield and have a decent chance of blasting them as they pop up.
Kau *
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada3502 Posts
May 13 2026 16:00 GMT
#280
Probably the best TvT set I've ever watched.
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