[ASL19] Ro8 Day 2

On April 29 2025 15:02 bochs wrote:
Light all the way! No JD please.

On April 29 2025 16:44 Kreuger wrote:



Isnt that games that are old? Like 6months+ ?

On April 29 2025 16:44 Kreuger wrote:



Isnt that games that are old? Like 6months+ ?

On April 29 2025 19:54 SkelA wrote:
JD lost so much potential value not researching esnare and energy for queens.

On April 29 2025 19:57 Peeano wrote:
Wasn't that gg a bit premature? I missed most of that match, but I saw a Tyrant's face after the gg, and one who was glad that match was over.

Let's go JD. Believe in yourself. Stay strong and hungry, wreck this Terran as if he robbed your defenseless grandma.

On April 29 2025 19:57 Peeano wrote:
Wasn't that gg a bit premature? I missed most of that match, but I saw a Tyrant's face after the gg, and one who was glad that match was over.

Let's go JD. Believe in yourself. Stay strong and hungry, wreck this Terran as if he robbed your defenseless grandma.

On April 29 2025 20:32 Peeano wrote:
Not today then. Maybe a classic JD 4 pool.

On April 29 2025 20:32 Peeano wrote:
Not today then. Maybe a classic JD 4 pool.

On April 29 2025 20:57 Katkishka wrote:
RIP, I don't think there's any way JD's coming back from this

On April 29 2025 20:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I am sad now, write whatever you want.

On April 29 2025 21:04 BonitiilloO wrote:
i think JD has lost his full motivation, i dont get why he doesn't just play like he used to be, i mean right now JD is the worst zerg.

On April 29 2025 21:13 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:

nah. light is legit just really good. light has been on par with sk and snow for all of 2025 so far. them three are a cut above the rest.

On April 29 2025 21:25 BonitiilloO wrote:


so then u are confirming JD is not good anymore.... jeez

On April 29 2025 21:35 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:

if not good means not top 5-6 then yes lol. Any pro is good.

On April 29 2025 21:35 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:

if not good means not top 5-6 then yes lol. Any pro is good.

On April 29 2025 22:29 prion_ wrote:
I was really rooting for Jaedong but don't know where people are getting the impression he was in any way favored. Yes, he's been in better form recently and showed good games against Speed, but Light is on a different level, and online Jaedong has been struggling in ZvT against top Terrans (this year: 3-7 Light, 12-16 Royal, 13-28 Rush).

On April 30 2025 02:52 Highgamer wrote:
Tbh I just hope he takes it well and continues to have fun with BW and his stream. He made ro8, that's no small feat. He's not getting younger, it's great that he's still playing at this level. I don't need to see him grinding and practicing all the time.

On April 30 2025 02:18 iFU.pauline wrote:
These approximations were due to lack of consistent training obviously. Will he ever put the effort into it? I watch his stream almost everyday, he doesn't play much games. That is acceptable vs protoss but it won't cut it vs best terrans the mu is too difficult.

On April 30 2025 03:38 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:

Jaedong practiced plenty. It is not about "didn't practice enough". Everyone practices more than people here on TL or in the foreigner community give them credit for. Not all losses or wins come down to "didn't practice enough". That's a bogus claim. The player performing better on stage wins, regardless of how much they did or did not practice.

Jaedong for example has 100 matches, 51 wins, 49 losses recorded for April on eloboard, which is excluding the probably 24-48 games he's played offline with his practice partners for just this Round of 8 alone. That is excluding brainstorming and vod study.

On April 30 2025 03:38 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:

Jaedong practiced plenty. It is not about "didn't practice enough". Everyone practices more than people here on TL or in the foreigner community give them credit for. Not all losses or wins come down to "didn't practice enough". That's a bogus claim. The player performing better on stage wins, regardless of how much they did or did not practice.

Jaedong for example has 100 matches, 51 wins, 49 losses recorded for April on eloboard, which is excluding the probably 24-48 games he's played offline with his practice partners for just this Round of 8 alone. That is excluding brainstorming and vod study.

On April 30 2025 05:14 BisuDagger wrote:
Game 1 was so good! I feel like it went to long and wore JD down though. It’s really tough to grind a series with wrist problems. It reminds me of Byun from SC2. He can win any game, but a series crushes him physically. I feel like we saw that physical toll by the end.

On April 30 2025 06:13 iFU.pauline wrote:


He does not practice plenty, 100 matches in a month? You call that plenty? Are you kidding? Plenty is at least 10 to 15 games a day as a zerg minimum. He is nowhere near that. No need to speculate about offline games, there is no way to assert this.

On April 30 2025 13:25 Vasoline73 wrote:
I'm glad JD won a game at least. Light is a tough opponent.

On April 30 2025 06:13 iFU.pauline wrote:


He does not practice plenty, 100 matches in a month? You call that plenty? Are you kidding? Plenty is at least 10 to 15 games a day as a zerg minimum. He is nowhere near that. No need to speculate about offline games, there is no way to assert this.

On April 30 2025 08:32 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:

based on your argument not a single pro practices hard enough. Not a single pro plays 10-15 games per day everday. I've kept close track of pro activity for a few years now and very rarely do they play over 10 games a day. Usually only when they get on Ultimate Battle, the Chinese variant of it, or in the few days leading up to their ASL play day. Quantity =/= Quality.

On April 30 2025 15:05 evilfatsh1t wrote:

no one consistently plays 10-15 games a day now. what a stupid point to make.
jd didnt lose because he didnt practice enough. his main practice partner was flash for this round and if you watch flash's commentary all you hear is flash saying "we practiced this scenario" in every game. in the last game for example, flash specifically called out the bunker rush prior to it happening because he and jd specifically prepared for it and flash told jd how to defend it, which was to do a 4 ling runby past the bunkers to cut marine reinforcements, then bust the bunker rush with 8-12 zerglings. the early drone search was also planned because terrans dont want to play against mutas on that map and so it was worth sending out a drone to eliminate 8 rax. even in the followup scenario where jd gets bunker rushed from 10 rax, jd would still be ahead if he defended as he did during practice. jd fucked up the runby by letting 2 zerglings die because he decided to snipe a scv on the way and those 2 zerglings made the difference.

it just wasnt jd's day. he got to the arena 10 mins before the match started because he forgot the usb to his mouse and had to go home to get it. the stars just werent aligning for him. in his post match interview he said he thinks he maybe lost because he actually practiced too much. he was overthinking things rather than just playing instinctively, which is what jd does best and what gives him his signature aggressive play. he won game 4 because he was just pissed at himself and said "fuck it". he would have won game 1 if he just played as per usual but his practice games gave him the idea that he could just play safe and win from his advantageous position.

On April 30 2025 15:05 evilfatsh1t wrote:

no one consistently plays 10-15 games a day now. what a stupid point to make.
jd didnt lose because he didnt practice enough. his main practice partner was flash for this round and if you watch flash's commentary all you hear is flash saying "we practiced this scenario" in every game. in the last game for example, flash specifically called out the bunker rush prior to it happening because he and jd specifically prepared for it and flash told jd how to defend it, which was to do a 4 ling runby past the bunkers to cut marine reinforcements, then bust the bunker rush with 8-12 zerglings. the early drone search was also planned because terrans dont want to play against mutas on that map and so it was worth sending out a drone to eliminate 8 rax. even in the followup scenario where jd gets bunker rushed from 10 rax, jd would still be ahead if he defended as he did during practice. jd fucked up the runby by letting 2 zerglings die because he decided to snipe a scv on the way and those 2 zerglings made the difference.

it just wasnt jd's day. he got to the arena 10 mins before the match started because he forgot the usb to his mouse and had to go home to get it. the stars just werent aligning for him. in his post match interview he said he thinks he maybe lost because he actually practiced too much. he was overthinking things rather than just playing instinctively, which is what jd does best and what gives him his signature aggressive play. he won game 4 because he was just pissed at himself and said "fuck it". he would have won game 1 if he just played as per usual but his practice games gave him the idea that he could just play safe and win from his advantageous position.

On April 30 2025 22:16 Ideas wrote:
That first game was awesome, one of the best this ASL for sure. Just too bad to see JD fall apart afterward. Still proud of him for making it to the Ro8 though.

On April 30 2025 15:17 iFU.pauline wrote:
I watch zergs stream everyday, if not proleague hero zero and soulkey are playing way more often meanwhile JD watches kor babe playing sc. I won't talk about protoss or terran coze I don't watch them. And yes, 10 games a day is a minimum to talk about "plenty". Are you arguing on this? I also can assure you than JD doesn't play more than anyone on teamliquid starting with me for the past 3 months lol. 100 games a month is 3.3 games a day as average, and yes, that's what you find on a 8 hours JD's stream indeed. Furthermore, even if other pro would do as average 6 games a day, that is still almost twice the practice volume of JD, you would expect this to have an impact at some point. Finally, the average game length for zerg is around 12minutes, 6 games a day is not such a big effort, that's not even close to "grinding". You start at 8pm and at 10pm you are already in bed.

On May 01 2025 06:04 TMNT wrote:Obviously some of them ladder more than others, and may also have some games offstream, but so does JD.

On May 01 2025 06:20 TornadoSteve wrote:


then what the f are you talking about

On May 01 2025 06:47 TMNT wrote:

What do you mean lol. And why the aggression?

Based on the tone I would interpret your post as disagreement, as in "you don't know wtf you are talking about, the truth is...." but what is your truth then? Do you have a tally of pros' games on and offstream, or do you have evidence that everyone is playing 10-15 games per day, or do you have evidence that JD is playing less than most of the pros???

On May 01 2025 14:53 Biff The Understudy wrote:

I know little about korean pros life and habits, but streaming is their main income, right? Why would they play 1 game (12 minutes in average) a day? That doesn’t make too much sense.

It’s obvious also that ASL is extremely important to most of them, i
You would think that they spend at least a few hours a day training for it? I assume ladder games must be but a fraction of how much they actually play.

On April 30 2025 02:52 Highgamer wrote:
Tbh I just hope he takes it well and continues to have fun with BW and his stream. He made ro8, that's no small feat. He's not getting younger, it's great that he's still playing at this level. I don't need to see him grinding and practicing all the time.

On May 01 2025 21:44 Artas1984 wrote:


I think is this a proper comment. JD has got nothing to prove. He won 8 premier tournaments where as Light only won 2.

Given the fact that they are identical in age and started their pro careers back in 2006 - that is a huge prestige for JD. Let that sink in to everyone!

Sure, i felt disappointed in they way JD lost to Light where it mattered the most, but then i also got a satisfaction of how he beat Light 4-0 in SOOP duel series (from half a year ago, i do not care). Just the fact that JD CAN beat the best terran on earth like that is big.

On April 29 2025 18:00 prosatan wrote:
One hour left...

I'll be watching this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WypqeHN_SkI

On May 02 2025 16:43 iFU.pauline wrote:
It's just unfortunate he faced Light right away which was by far his worst opponent, would have hardly gone this way against an other zerg or protoss. I think next time he should play 1 game a day and wait for the "stars to be aligned", that should be "plenty" enough of practice and see how that plays out to fill the gap.

On May 03 2025 01:30 ruhtraeel wrote:
JD and Soulkey are the most decisive players in ASL

Soulkey commits when he sees an opening
JD commits when he feels like it

It used to work for JD 15 years ago, now it doesn't
Idk why he commits to random stuff like not building an extra sunken, not blocking a bunker rush with drones, and bad attacks that wipe his army

On May 04 2025 22:54 goody153 wrote:
That game 1 was crazy but sad that Jaedong got crushed bad

On May 03 2025 01:30 ruhtraeel wrote:
JD and Soulkey are the most decisive players in ASL

Soulkey commits when he sees an opening
JD commits when he feels like it

It used to work for JD 15 years ago, now it doesn't
Idk why he commits to random stuff like not building an extra sunken, not blocking a bunker rush with drones, and bad attacks that wipe his army