EPT[ASL12] Ro8 Day 4
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50586 Posts
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Ruff
Kazakhstan179 Posts
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reincremate
China2216 Posts
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HOLYBATS
Turkey745 Posts
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masoka82
Spain594 Posts
On October 19 2021 17:33 HOLYBATS wrote: Mini is on the another side of the bracket. Rush vs Light or Rush vs Hero on the table. I prefer tvz for sure. I prefer that Light wins, lest Queen win on the one hand and Hero on the other and we have another zvsz in the final. If Light wins, we secure a PvsT or ZvT final | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
Tho Light has an amazing TvZ I can see hero win! LB on Light! missed rush vs soma  | ||
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13294 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
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J. Corsair
United States470 Posts
Already a KSL champ, time to join Rain and Last as a duel champion... Hope all the practice pays off! | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
16 k viewers on Sea's stream! He and rain will comment the game ! but now they are eating mmmmmmmm  | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
but still <50 % vs zerg.... strange! hero sits at 54.9% (50/41) but a nice 16W and 14 L vs terran ! | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
he goes for 9 pool light spots the overlord so now he knows where hero is | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
but cross spawns on revolver is such a big distance ! | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
third up and running for hero | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
congrats hero !!! GG !!!! | ||
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HOLYBATS
Turkey745 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
so a more macro oriented game incoming !  | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
double factory + double armory for light ! | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
a bit of vulture harass at hero's 3rd | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
hero with half supplies... looks like 1-1 soon | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
hero doing a ggaemo trick and loses 5 or 6 hydras to a mine ... | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
hero is being pushed into his 3rd broodlings on tanks but not enough GG! 1-1 ! | ||
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prosatan
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50586 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
On October 19 2021 19:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: light did some great terrorism throughout that game. yes ! this too went good for light many drones sniped and the rest of them forced to burrow | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
I've got to go go in half an hour I'll definitely miss a game or two | ||
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HOLYBATS
Turkey745 Posts
On October 19 2021 19:54 prosatan wrote: I wonder what did went wrong for hero...that drop was bad ... and maybe his upgrades weren't on point Defiler + lurker | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
GG ! 2-1 for the zerg player ! | ||
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HOLYBATS
Turkey745 Posts
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ggsimida
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HOLYBATS
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
Drone > SCV Ling > Marine Hydra > Vulture Lurker > Tank Muta > Wraith ... I don't get surprised when I have 20% win rate in my TvZ. I have C rank all seasons. User was warned for this post. | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova277 Posts
herO gogo)) | ||
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Sirris
681 Posts
 Other than game 2 of course. Not to take away anything from hero but Light's play was just way off. If you compare Rush's play to Light it's not even close...unless hero is so SO good he made Light look terrible. I don't think that's the case though. Rush is the new Terran hope. | ||
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lamarine
587 Posts
i mean come on! loose your game because you wanted to kill some irrelevant overlord  | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
On October 19 2021 20:35 Sonic_md wrote: no one like TvT in 1/2 herO gogo)) I hate playing TvT but I like watching TvT. If StarCraft has only TvT, it will be better LOL game. | ||
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
I wanted to see him win the whole thing, because I think his overall ability is such that he deserves a title, but his play offline is so inconsistent. He looked pretty strong vs SnOw and Queen in the RO16 group and then did that today. Very disappointing. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6777 Posts
Also another zvz final . zerg race is to imba. Godlike mini will loss to zero cuz hydra bust is impossible to beat. | ||
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TMNT
3085 Posts
Meanwhile Queen is like the opposite of them. Guy drops out of top 10 sponbbang regularly, losing cheaply against lower tier players on his stream, yet when it comes to offline setting he doesn't dissappoint. | ||
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TornadoSteve
1092 Posts
zero 29% mini 22% rush 28% hero 21% Whats yours ?  | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
ZerO > Mini Rush < herO ZerO > herO | ||
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Zeronova
54 Posts
I’m just glad Hero saved us from TvT boredom | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19299 Posts
Light's TvZ has taken a nose dive in the past couple years. He would have won the whole tournament if it was TvP. It's amazing how big of a change his skillset has gone through. | ||
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
My prediction is Mini > Zero in a very close series, Rush > hero by murder and Mini > Rush in a close series in the final. Anyone can win it at this point though, almost all matchups on paper are relatively close. Zero and hero are both "overperformers" offline compared to online though, so it could very easily be a ZvZ final as well | ||
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HOLYBATS
Turkey745 Posts
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Piste
6180 Posts
Rush will propably play way better than Light, but hero can take out any player. | ||
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Marl
United States694 Posts
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outscar
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Lazyer
United States365 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On October 19 2021 20:34 bovienchien wrote: All of Zerg units are stronger all of Terran Drone > SCV Ling > Marine Hydra > Vulture Lurker > Tank Muta > Wraith ... I don't get surprised when I have 20% win rate in my TvZ. I have C rank all seasons. User was warned for this post. If lurkers > tanks maybe you should work on your basic skills LEL | ||
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angry_maia
327 Posts
On October 20 2021 05:45 MaGic~PhiL wrote: If lurkers > tanks maybe you should work on your basic skills LEL lmao just a-move 10 tanks into 10 burrowed lurkers and watch what happens. idk what this guy is on about. | ||
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avanhokie
50 Posts
On October 19 2021 21:54 TMNT wrote: Every season in the nomination round, Light was the player getting picked last. That says how all the other pros think about him. The Ultimate Battle is like the Light vs The Rest show, his sponbbang stats always among the strongest. Yet we have these kinds of performance from him: today games, ASL9 finals, last season R16. Only Best can surpass him in terms of underperforming. Meanwhile Queen is like the opposite of them. Guy drops out of top 10 sponbbang regularly, losing cheaply against lower tier players on his stream, yet when it comes to offline setting he doesn't dissappoint. Many times when Mini has made Ro4 or finals he was like 13 in sponbang, but he shows up big in offline. Same with Queen, Rush finally put it together in offline where he usually has choked (other than two wildcards where he looked monster). Hero is similar, very professional and plays to his quality. Light other than KSL / ASL 9 run has never met his online performance in offline events. Still a Ro8 but he must be very disappointed in going out with a very winnable bracket. GG hero | ||
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TornadoSteve
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TornadoSteve
1092 Posts
On October 20 2021 09:26 avanhokie wrote: Many times when Mini has made Ro4 or finals he was like 13 in sponbang, but he shows up big in offline. Same with Queen, Rush finally put it together in offline where he usually has choked (other than two wildcards where he looked monster). Hero is similar, very professional and plays to his quality. Light other than KSL / ASL 9 run has never met his online performance in offline events. Still a Ro8 but he must be very disappointed in going out with a very winnable bracket. GG hero First RO8+ for Light was in ASL 8, he would try stupid cheese for no reasons (I think it was in ASL 4 where he tried to build a barrack inside 'was it larva ?' main base) prior to this ASL... He shined against Flash in ASL 8 where he has nothing to lose, no pressure at all. | ||
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HOLYBATS
Turkey745 Posts
It is a bit preparation and mind games. | ||
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moktira
Ireland1545 Posts
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yoshi245
United States2971 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13294 Posts
On October 20 2021 17:55 moktira wrote: Disappointing series, great moments from Hero for sure, but I thought Light was in way better form than this, as Scan said at the end, it was like watching a mid-tier Terran. No idea what's going to happen next, rooting for Mini so hard but it really could go anywhere. I feel Rush probably will win, he's looking very impressive lately. Agree. Light played very bizarrely compared to what he’s capable of. Some players just feel the pressure more in offline tournies I guess. Hero played well but Light was just awful and never gave himself much of a chance. That he made that bizarre poke out in game three to expose himself like that about summed up his performance. | ||
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Zeronova
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19299 Posts
On October 20 2021 22:00 Zeronova wrote: I think Queen vs mini is pretty even. Hope mini wins. I think Rush beats hero and pretty badly but Hero looked good against light so can’t count him out. It’s unlikely but I would love to see Mini vs Hero finals Hero vs Rush in Sponbang matches since September are 23:23. They couldn't be more evenly matched right now. This is going to be a nail-biter series. | ||
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angry_maia
327 Posts
In the event that Mini is able to prove his PvT and beat Rush, I will happily consider Mini the undisputed best protoss in teh world. | ||
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
The hardest road to a win though would be that of Mini, simply because Hero right now is a better PvZ-er than Queen, and Soma, if that matters. If Queen gets through and has to play ZvZ in the finals he has the easiest road. Generally speaking these last couple of ASLs have been the most wide-open from Ro4 onwards. That's been pretty cool. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19299 Posts
On October 21 2021 01:33 oxKnu wrote: The semi-finals are evenly-matched. Anyone can make the finals, there are no favorites. The hardest road to a win though would be that of Mini, simply because Hero right now is a better PvZ-er than Queen, and Soma, if that matters. If Queen gets through and has to play ZvZ in the finals he has the easiest road. Generally speaking these last couple of ASLs have been the most wide-open from Ro4 onwards. That's been pretty cool. Do you think last season's Larva would easily beat anyone in this ro4? I think we really have some top notch players remaining. | ||
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Miragee
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
On October 21 2021 01:51 BisuDagger wrote: Do you think last season's Larva would easily beat anyone in this ro4? I think we really have some top notch players remaining. I don't believe that there's much separation between these players here in ro4 and others like Larva or regulars in the ro8 in ASL recently. Larva's recent win didn't change anything, it was his best performance at a level that he has shown in the past and that regular viewers knew he was capable of. I general I think the only outliers are Zero (best muta control by a mile) and Mini (best PvZ by a large margin compared to any other Protoss). In my opinion with the current crop of players there are some people that are rated incorrectly: - the Terrans: they're not as good as everyone 'wants' them to be, after Flash has left. Royal, Rush, Light. Ofc, relative for each one of them. - Hero: he is much stronger than people give him credit for. He is better than Larva (before his hiatus) and will have his chance at a title. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7816 Posts
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
Last 2 series it was easy to tell the winner of game 3 was gonna win the series, because of the time left on the video. Maybe someone can get the word to him, english cast make the games much more enjoyable | ||
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Zeronova
54 Posts
On October 21 2021 00:08 BisuDagger wrote: Hero vs Rush in Sponbang matches since September are 23:23. They couldn't be more evenly matched right now. This is going to be a nail-biter series. Yes, after watching some recent Hero ZvT, I have seriously questioned my preconceived notions of his ability against Terran and perhaps about reality itself | ||
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angry_maia
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moktira
Ireland1545 Posts
On October 21 2021 09:55 GoTuNk! wrote: Not sure it has been mentioned before, but I follow Scan's re-stream and I suggest him to add blank time in the video like the KCM race wars. Last 2 series it was easy to tell the winner of game 3 was gonna win the series, because of the time left on the video. Maybe someone can get the word to him, english cast make the games much more enjoyable If you're on Firefox you could use something like this which hides the video length on YouTube and afreecaTV, presume there's a similar one for Chrome. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19299 Posts
On October 21 2021 16:51 moktira wrote: If you're on Firefox you could use something like this which hides the video length on YouTube and afreecaTV, presume there's a similar one for Chrome. SC2Links works too https://www.sc2links.com/tournament/?match=701 and no add-on is needed. You just have to wait until the English vod is on YT for this. Although, I wasn't sure if GoTuNk was actually talking about the afreeca restream bar that occasional popsup when Scan is moving his mouse cursor around. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On October 21 2021 20:30 BisuDagger wrote: SC2Links works too https://www.sc2links.com/tournament/?match=701 and no add-on is needed. You just have to wait until the English vod is on YT for this. Although, I wasn't sure if GoTuNk was actually talking about the afreeca restream bar that occasional popsup when Scan is moving his mouse cursor around. I'm talking of the actual vid; thanks for the yt thing but they take forever to upload the games | ||
BigFan
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Zeronova
54 Posts
On October 23 2021 10:24 BigFan wrote: Maybe it's just me, but it did really feel like Light underperformed as Nyoken stated in the cast. That mistake in the last game was extremely uncharacteristic of Light imo. Series was ok otherwise. The mech game on Ascension was really interesting, and hero played it well with the trades and builds so grats to him for another semis. Yes but light has been underperforming hard in TvZ as well. I just saw him get wrecked in a series with Soma. Same kind of deal with big, uncharacteristic blunders | ||
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Ideas
United States8144 Posts
I still think Light is probably the best mechanical player right now but he really seems to have some choking issues in BoX series in big tournaments. He just doesn't have that X factor that lets him play a high-stakes series to his best ability and constantly loses to players with superior mental fortitude. Unless it's the KSL4 and he's just far and away playing way better than everyone else haha. Really looking forward to the rest of the tournament, after seeing Ro8 results it really feels like any player could win. With flash gone it really seems like there aren't any hard constants any more in the ASL. Really feels like any of the top 10 or so players could beat any of the others if the right circumstances occur. | ||
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Zeronova
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Also, I saw Ideas say Light is the best mechanical player right now, but I disgress. Watching that Soma vs Rush series, I was mighty impressed at Rush's mechanics, and feel like he could potentially be the best mechanical Terran player atm. | ||
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Sirris
681 Posts
On October 21 2021 01:33 oxKnu wrote: The semi-finals are evenly-matched. Anyone can make the finals, there are no favorites. The hardest road to a win though would be that of Mini, simply because Hero right now is a better PvZ-er than Queen, and Soma, if that matters. If Queen gets through and has to play ZvZ in the finals he has the easiest road. Generally speaking these last couple of ASLs have been the most wide-open from Ro4 onwards. That's been pretty cool. Fully agree with this. In addition responding to other posts: Mini is not a better pvzer than queen. He did extremely well with new builds he came up with in the last season. The timings and 2 gate switch caught zerg of guard. But those have been solved now. It would be very surprising if he came up with even newer ones I imagine Mini will have a lot of difficulty beating Hero. If it's Queen vs Hero in the finals which in my opinion is very probable i would still give both of them equal chances of winning. If it was up to my heart though I hope Rush crushes everyone We need a strong terran. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4227 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
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Zeronova
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Ideas
United States8144 Posts
On October 24 2021 08:36 BigFan wrote: Yes, of course. I too think that hero is playing amazing right now and my comment was not meant to say otherwise. I just think that Light made some rather bad mistakes that compounded into a loss, and as someone who was known for his TvZ prowess, it feels out of place. I'll have to rewatch the games to point out the mistakes I saw, but that ending game mistake in the last game was just an obvious one. Also, I saw Ideas say Light is the best mechanical player right now, but I disgress. Watching that Soma vs Rush series, I was mighty impressed at Rush's mechanics, and feel like he could potentially be the best mechanical Terran player atm. Yeah rush's mechanics are definitely phenomenal as well. I guess it's sorta hard to pick a "best mechanics" player right now when pretty much all the top 3-5 players in each race are so close skill-wise. Can't wait to see how rush does vs hero, he definitely seems to be getting a lot better at offline tournaments in the last 2 seasons. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13294 Posts
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