[ASL5] Ro24 Group B

On March 13 2018 17:24 PVJ wrote:
I am unable to work until it starts because I'm so excited but once it starts I'll be unable to work so I can follow the matches. I wonder if I'll be able to work once the dust has settled in the afternoon.

On March 13 2018 18:14 PVJ wrote:

The starpower distribution of the group (and fanboyism) defaults me to say Stork first of all, and effort.

But I fear it is a harder, tougher, rougher group than one assumes. Horang2 might cause all kinds of trouble. Guemchi could get a PvP win.

I saw Stork playing some PvPs v Shuttle, Best on Transistor and Gladiator and those were tough PvPs. And still vZ on any of those maps is even harder. So it will be hard to close it out and advance from the group.

Is this something you can agree with? Would you - or did you in Liquibet - bet on a surprise?

On March 13 2018 19:01 PVJ wrote:

Effort's record on Sparkle is good but I'm not that confident how he'll do. He always seemed to choke in ASL even to lesser rivals. (I'd still bet him going through in the end.)

On March 13 2018 19:24 Terrorbladder wrote:
epic
this is his first LAN win since returning to BW right? not counting qualies

On March 13 2018 19:27 Piste wrote:

Yup. During the interview he said it's his first live match in 5 years.

On March 13 2018 19:28 juvenal wrote:

remarkable. There was no signs of him feeling the pressure. Although tbh it was an easy game to convert after Effort's fail drops.

On March 13 2018 19:34 Heartland wrote:
Is that an elf?

On March 13 2018 19:24 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
oh yeah that was god lvl play.LOL

On March 13 2018 19:26 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
sparkle makes people think protoss plays well.what a day!

On March 13 2018 19:27 Piste wrote:

Yup. During the interview he said it's his first live match in 5 years.

On March 13 2018 19:36 Terrorbladder wrote:




context

On March 13 2018 19:51 Dante08 wrote:
Lol that was the bluest fight I've ever seen

On March 13 2018 19:53 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
camping behind cannons and massing air units, no casters.
Boring as fuck imo

On March 13 2018 19:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

didnt horang2 just 2 gates proxy most of his games ?

On March 13 2018 20:20 juvenal wrote:
Yeah, Stork looks super solid.

On March 13 2018 20:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

first game was a free win by the map,now u will see how bad that protoss player is facepalm

On March 13 2018 20:54 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

We are talking about the blizzcon champion OSL champion SSL VANTS champion VSL champion and OGN invitational champion.

On March 13 2018 20:58 Arvendilin wrote:
effort has to cheese to win, got too intimidated after game 1

On March 13 2018 20:58 Arvendilin wrote:
effort has to cheese to win, got too intimidated after game 1

On March 13 2018 20:58 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

u kidding me ,IT WAS AN ISLAND MAP

On March 13 2018 21:01 Arvendilin wrote:

Oh totally misplayed by horang2, I just wanted to work a bit against the Island map hate that horang2 has been negatively affected by :D

On March 13 2018 20:58 BigFan wrote:

haha probably though I blame Horang2 for not sending another probe to try and scout around. It's not like 3 hatch hydra isn't a popular enough build.

On March 13 2018 21:27 tanngard wrote:

Horang2 deserved to die. If you dont at least try and scout with a second probe there is no excuse. I mean this is happening ALL the time, and yet they want that second probe mining minerals instead. It seem like we in the comments are complainting about the lack of the second probe every time lol. Are we missing something or what? What does your economy matter if you are going to get hydra busted and killed like 75% of the time? I understand taking the risk sometimes, but if you do it too much zergs are just gonna blindly bust your front with hydras.

But what do we know? Its probably harder said than done. I remember there was an online league not a long time ago where Best vs Soulkey was in the semifinals. Best stomped soulkey in the first two games. Then soulkey figured he could not beat him in a straight up game and decided to mindgame and cheese to win the next three. Deny the scout and you can do anything. Thats how that goes! The reason we dont see that much of it in sponmatches i believe is because the audience would grow tired and stop donating balloons. I fear ZvP is broken. Its been the same thing the last three or so ASLs. You can hear the confusion in tastosis voices all the time. They dont recognize this matchup anymore. All they see is a wave of ling runbys and hydra busts killing the games before they really have started.

On March 14 2018 04:21 EsportsJohn wrote:


effOrt did a really tricky variation on the 3-hatch hydra bust. He intentionally showed the lair and then cancelled it and built the hydra den as soon as the probe left the base. All signs pointed to a fairly normal macro game, and the hydra bust was even delayed by approximately 20s.

On March 14 2018 04:21 EsportsJohn wrote:


effOrt did a really tricky variation on the 3-hatch hydra bust. He intentionally showed the lair and then cancelled it and built the hydra den as soon as the probe left the base. All signs pointed to a fairly normal macro game, and the hydra bust was even delayed by approximately 20s.

On March 14 2018 08:07 tanngard wrote:

Yes, but is that really that tricky? I dont think that these kinds of mindgames is difficult for players of this caliber. The way i see it protoss should never really infer anything about what zerg is doing. They need hard evidence, because zergs know that protoss is going to skip building more cannons unless they know for a fact that hydras is coming. As longs as you deny scouting you can hydra bust almost everytime. They even have an overlord sitting nicely above the protoss expansion monitoring everything he is doing.

On March 14 2018 14:29 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Why are the players that are seeded into the ro16 practicing on Sparkle? Do they expect Sparkle as a map further in the tournament?

On March 14 2018 17:15 sixfour wrote:
Horang2 wins the vZ to get to the winners match then loses the vP? What the heck?

On March 14 2018 13:17 Dazed. wrote:
Of course you should infer things about what the zerg is doing, thats best practices. If your extremely diligent on your probe scouting every game and you refuse to cut any corners, you will lose more games because zergs will counter that by playing greedy. Every now and again you have to take 'stupid' risks.

On March 14 2018 19:04 tanngard wrote:

Right. So you are damned if you do or damned if you don't is how it looks like to me. I wonder what the pros are saying about this.