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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19384 Posts
August 16 2016 14:14 GMT
#341
On August 16 2016 21:47 NoS-Craig wrote:
Well that's another Liquidbet down the drain.

Can't wait to start a new season!
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
August 16 2016 14:33 GMT
#342
The guy casting with wolf has hilariously bad comparisons.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
August 16 2016 14:40 GMT
#343
On August 16 2016 21:20 Wrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2016 21:16 oEkY wrote:
So we'll get to see another TvT in Ro4


TvT finals...

Dont worry Shuttle will win it all.
Luv ya BroodWar!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5889 Posts
August 16 2016 14:49 GMT
#344
On August 16 2016 23:40 _Animus_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2016 21:20 Wrath wrote:
On August 16 2016 21:16 oEkY wrote:
So we'll get to see another TvT in Ro4


TvT finals...

Dont worry Shuttle will win it all.

I wanna believe this is true. Shuttle can display very high level skill.
FBH #1!
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
August 16 2016 14:50 GMT
#345
remove FS from the map pool please
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5889 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-16 15:25:23
August 16 2016 15:24 GMT
#346
On August 16 2016 23:50 iamho wrote:
remove FS from the map pool please

I hope this is the last time we will ever see it on a tourney, same for CB. They're long past getting stale imho.

We are in dire need of new maps (that have actually been balance tested properly).
I'd love to see a future tourney with a 2 player map, a 3 player map, 2 4 player maps and a 3 player island map.
It's a dream of mine to see island maps flourish in BW and become something solid.
FBH #1!
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7022 Posts
August 16 2016 15:39 GMT
#347
BW need a new map,is time already, LT Python FS ,map makers please ...fs is killing bw ...
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
August 16 2016 17:09 GMT
#348
Watched archived stream and it was intense as it was real. That game 5 though, I was like it's over you rusher Sea and suddenly this happens. In other hand I'm glad that Sea advanced because hero's ZvT is really bad, if he will face Flash I'm sure it's gonna 0-3, if Last maybe he can take one game. GOGOGO Sea, I know you're capable to take down Flash or AlphaGo if you won't choke.
sunbeams are never made like me...
REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
August 16 2016 17:32 GMT
#349
Forgive my MS Paint skills... xD
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B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
August 16 2016 17:45 GMT
#350
Hero didn't throw anything.

Contrary to what the idiotic casters were indicating, he started out massively behind after the bunker rush. He had 6 drones left! Then he was stuck with 12 lings and did manage to get 6 SCVs because of Sea's sloppy micro (could have reduced that number to 4). In the meantime hero has lost all map control again and sea has an SCV in his base scouting.

Hero's third hatch was only halfway done when his spire finished due to his horrible economy. Unfortunately hero then places down 4 sunkens, positioned in such a way which will come back to bite him in the back later in the game. It is not easy to predict what terran will do and having sunkens finish even a second or two too late can mean the end of game.

By overinvesting into sunkens his 3rd base is delayed. He also overinvests into mutas and delays his lurkers too long. Everything is just downhill from here on with a poorly judged counterattack allowing terran to take out his sunkens and 2 lurkers cause they were stuck.
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
August 16 2016 18:10 GMT
#351
Game 5 was so awesome! Back and forth edge off the seat stuff. I don't quite agree with the casters either that Sea was massively behind after the failed bunker rush. Hero lost drones and a lot of mining time.I thought both players were rather even, or maybe Hero had the slight lead.

After that, Hero made some questionable judgments - pumping too many mutas (delaying his tech and allowing Sea to stabilise further), delaying the 3rd (and nearly lost it if not of Sea's hesitation) and switching to guardians too quick (focusing on defilers would've been safer). Then again, I don't think they were terrible mistakes, just miscalculated plays that went wrong.

This is why BW is so great. You can never get super ahead even by winning one skirmish, and there's always a chance of comebacks!
gg no re thx
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
August 16 2016 18:35 GMT
#352
sad games
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia511 Posts
August 16 2016 19:20 GMT
#353
The game is far less forgiving for Z in TvZ - meaning, it has become very biased towards Terran. Every able Terran out there has >60% rate vZ. And Zergs? This has been as such for a long time. Great Zergs can easily fall to solid Terrans, great Terrans cut through solid Zergs. Some serious map balancing is needed for it has become ridiculous.
j.r.r.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 16 2016 21:18 GMT
#354
Don't forget that herO got +1 flyer attack and that may have contributed to the Guardian attempt.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8707 Posts
August 16 2016 21:22 GMT
#355
On August 17 2016 00:24 Peeano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2016 23:50 iamho wrote:
remove FS from the map pool please

I hope this is the last time we will ever see it on a tourney, same for CB. They're long past getting stale imho.

We are in dire need of new maps (that have actually been balance tested properly).
I'd love to see a future tourney with a 2 player map, a 3 player map, 2 4 player maps and a 3 player island map.
It's a dream of mine to see island maps flourish in BW and become something solid.


Island maps are only nice for fun matches though. For competitive they are broken as fuck.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5889 Posts
August 16 2016 23:06 GMT
#356
On August 17 2016 06:22 Miragee wrote:
Island maps are only nice for fun matches though. For competitive they are broken as fuck.

Would you mind providing proof or either explaining thoroughly? The last time island maps were played competitively players and maps were still far from where they were at the end of the KeSPA-era. With good mapmaking and wiser players I like to think any major imbalances can be overcome.
FBH #1!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10558 Posts
August 16 2016 23:08 GMT
#357
I still think Hero had a chance in that match. If he stabilizes by killing off the vessel push and can power drone while taking a 4th behind map control with his army, he can solidify and get out ultras much earlier than Sea is expecting. He also has a timing window before Sea regains map control with spider mines and vultures where ultra ling would be very effective and could kill Sea's 3rd before tanks are out.

All-in-all, hero made many crucial mistakes that otherwise would have led to a won game.
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prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
August 17 2016 00:05 GMT
#358
Fun games, particularly 5. hero's aggressive hatch-first builds really paid off until the last set when Sea finally exploited it.

Nice to see Sea finally perform offline like he normally does on his streams
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joust85
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada53 Posts
August 17 2016 01:28 GMT
#359
Great games! Sad to see zerg go though.
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-17 01:55:38
August 17 2016 01:54 GMT
#360
nice games

the way i saw them was like that:

game 1: bo win for sea
game 2: strange opening for hero, even stranger strategy pick by sea then
game 3: somewhat standard tvz win where t takes z's 3rd out soon
game 4: somewhat standard zvt win where z holds his 3rd early on
game 5: when mutas started harrassing sea i actually thought that hero is ahead and wondered why he lost, then the late 3rd hatch hence less larvas started to weigh in and i saw him randomly losing an ovie and placing 3 additional sunks that he didn't need at all, getting very late 3rd expo and den/late tech. if hero was more confident he would have faired significantly better in the last game
Enjoy the game
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