I hope this is the last time we will ever see it on a tourney, same for CB. They're long past getting stale imho.

We are in dire need of new maps (that have actually been balance tested properly).
I'd love to see a future tourney with a 2 player map, a 3 player map, 2 4 player maps and a 3 player island map.
It's a dream of mine to see island maps flourish in BW and become something solid.

[sc1f]eonzerg

Belgium6686 Posts

August 16 2016 15:39 GMT

#347

BW need a new map,is time already, LT Python FS ,map makers please ...fs is killing bw ...

outscar

2832 Posts

August 16 2016 17:09 GMT

#348

Watched archived stream and it was intense as it was real. That game 5 though, I was like it's over you rusher Sea and suddenly this happens. In other hand I'm glad that Sea advanced because hero's ZvT is really bad, if he will face Flash I'm sure it's gonna 0-3, if Last maybe he can take one game. GOGOGO Sea, I know you're capable to take down Flash or AlphaGo if you won't choke.

REDBLUEGREEN

Germany1904 Posts

August 16 2016 17:32 GMT

#349

Forgive my MS Paint skills... xD
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B-royal

Belgium1330 Posts

August 16 2016 17:45 GMT

#350

Hero didn't throw anything.

Contrary to what the idiotic casters were indicating, he started out massively behind after the bunker rush. He had 6 drones left! Then he was stuck with 12 lings and did manage to get 6 SCVs because of Sea's sloppy micro (could have reduced that number to 4). In the meantime hero has lost all map control again and sea has an SCV in his base scouting.

Hero's third hatch was only halfway done when his spire finished due to his horrible economy. Unfortunately hero then places down 4 sunkens, positioned in such a way which will come back to bite him in the back later in the game. It is not easy to predict what terran will do and having sunkens finish even a second or two too late can mean the end of game.

By overinvesting into sunkens his 3rd base is delayed. He also overinvests into mutas and delays his lurkers too long. Everything is just downhill from here on with a poorly judged counterattack allowing terran to take out his sunkens and 2 lurkers cause they were stuck.

RKC

2848 Posts

August 16 2016 18:10 GMT

#351

Game 5 was so awesome! Back and forth edge off the seat stuff. I don't quite agree with the casters either that Sea was massively behind after the failed bunker rush. Hero lost drones and a lot of mining time.I thought both players were rather even, or maybe Hero had the slight lead.

After that, Hero made some questionable judgments - pumping too many mutas (delaying his tech and allowing Sea to stabilise further), delaying the 3rd (and nearly lost it if not of Sea's hesitation) and switching to guardians too quick (focusing on defilers would've been safer). Then again, I don't think they were terrible mistakes, just miscalculated plays that went wrong.

This is why BW is so great. You can never get super ahead even by winning one skirmish, and there's always a chance of comebacks!

ne4aJIb

Russian Federation3209 Posts

August 16 2016 18:35 GMT

#352

sad games

Rainalcar

Croatia376 Posts

August 16 2016 19:20 GMT

#353

The game is far less forgiving for Z in TvZ - meaning, it has become very biased towards Terran. Every able Terran out there has >60% rate vZ. And Zergs? This has been as such for a long time. Great Zergs can easily fall to solid Terrans, great Terrans cut through solid Zergs. Some serious map balancing is needed for it has become ridiculous.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

August 16 2016 21:18 GMT

#354

Don't forget that herO got +1 flyer attack and that may have contributed to the Guardian attempt.

Miragee

8556 Posts

August 16 2016 21:22 GMT

#355

On August 17 2016 00:24 Peeano wrote:

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Island maps are only nice for fun matches though. For competitive they are broken as fuck.

Peeano

Netherlands5150 Posts

August 16 2016 23:06 GMT

#356

On August 17 2016 06:22 Miragee wrote:
Island maps are only nice for fun matches though. For competitive they are broken as fuck.

Would you mind providing proof or either explaining thoroughly? The last time island maps were played competitively players and maps were still far from where they were at the end of the KeSPA-era. With good mapmaking and wiser players I like to think any major imbalances can be overcome.

FlaShFTW

United States10203 Posts

August 16 2016 23:08 GMT

#357

I still think Hero had a chance in that match. If he stabilizes by killing off the vessel push and can power drone while taking a 4th behind map control with his army, he can solidify and get out ultras much earlier than Sea is expecting. He also has a timing window before Sea regains map control with spider mines and vultures where ultra ling would be very effective and could kill Sea's 3rd before tanks are out.

All-in-all, hero made many crucial mistakes that otherwise would have led to a won game.

prech

United States2948 Posts

August 17 2016 00:05 GMT

#358

Fun games, particularly 5.

hero's aggressive hatch-first builds really paid off until the last set when

Sea finally exploited it.

Nice to see Sea finally perform offline like he normally does on his streams

joust85

Canada53 Posts

August 17 2016 01:28 GMT

#359

Great games! Sad to see zerg go though.

LRM)TechnicS

Bulgaria1565 Posts

August 17 2016 01:54 GMT

#360

nice games

the way i saw them was like that:

game 1: bo win for sea
game 2: strange opening for hero, even stranger strategy pick by sea then
game 3: somewhat standard tvz win where t takes z's 3rd out soon
game 4: somewhat standard zvt win where z holds his 3rd early on
game 5: when mutas started harrassing sea i actually thought that hero is ahead and wondered why he lost, then the late 3rd hatch hence less larvas started to weigh in and i saw him randomly losing an ovie and placing 3 additional sunks that he didn't need at all, getting very late 3rd expo and den/late tech. if hero was more confident he would have faired significantly better in the last game