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MissClickkii
Canada27 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On July 27 2013 07:05 MissClickkii wrote: Can you change my race to protoss for this season? Thanks! Haha the (former) terran user with a zerg icon changing to Protoss! Yea, I'll change it, but only cause your on TAKK xd | ||
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
One other thing to keep in mind is any potential changes need to account for roster sizes. For example, you could say teams must field 2 "red" players. Okay, but if a team only has 3 red players and 2 can't play that week, well that sucks. Or you could limit games "strong" players can play but if a team has a small roster, it can be quite hurtful. Maybe this means only have 6 teams, but then there's an issue of everyone only playing ~2-3 games the entire season which hurts motivation. Just saying changing rules for the sake of weaker players has other effects that might not be apparent at the time, so be careful. Also, rescheduling and w/o consistently stirs up drama every now and then. I think enforcing stricter pp rules (for example, only 2 players per week can request pp or games must be played no later than the following Thursday) is a good idea. This is because teams often don't account for whether players can play at game time. Drama aside, this has caused delays in results, and last DRTL playoffs took 2 weeks per round in addition to them being delayed to get in the final regular season results due to the very close rankings. Furthermore, this means teams have the option of always fielding their strongest members. Therefore, stricter pp rules would indirectly cause a decrease in the amount of games the strongest players play as well as the actual occasional need to rely on weaker players to fill in at game time. | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
It'd be possible for me to only recruit D+ players if I really wanted that but that doesn't foster growth among the lower ranks, which is basically what this league is for. If the low level players get to play at least half of the weeks in the league then they're motivated to improve and keep playing BW, and soon they'll go from D- to D to D+ because of that like I did. Now I'm on the verge of being too good for the league, and the league is what motivated me to do that. So basically, to the other teams, recruit and send out the D- and D players too, don't just aim to win (although do that too!  ) | ||
Nagisama
Canada4481 Posts
On July 27 2013 07:05 MissClickkii wrote: Can you change my race to protoss for this season? Thanks! wat? why change to protoss? | ||
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
The dark side of the world intrigues her so. At least we still have each other. Edit: And to point out that TAKK is active in recruiting, TAKK recently recruited two new players that are totally new to the competitive side of BW. As for motivation to getting better, everyone is motivated differently. Some people could be motivated to get better by not being fielded because they're not seen as strong enough, whereas some people are motivated by continuously getting fielded thinking that they're a necessary part of the team. And to answer Kaze's post, unfortunately, from what I've seen being here from DRATL to now, historically, new players, that are actually D-/D that sign up as a free agent for the teamleagues and are placed into the team that are composed of nothing but free agents are rarely motivated to stay. Instance in DRATL, I was part of Team Freedom, and I believe, around Week 3, none of the players were motivated enough to actually play their games to the point where I was the only player for the team, and me losing or winning would basically decide whether we won or not. DRTL4, I believe the example will be made in Phoenix, where most of their players were primarily made of free agents. I dunno how it was before I joined the D-ranks leagues, but from what I can see, the people that were like me at one point are having a hard time getting integrated into the community and staying. I guess the best thing to do is find a solution as to why that is. Maybe there aren't enough people helping out? Maybe I'm rude and I'm scaring away everyone? Maybe they come in with the expectation that ALL of us are D-/D but are discouraged to play anymore when they lose to a D+/C- player? Before we can get an influx or folks, we need to find a way to actually keep the newer players a reason to stay. TL;DR - new ppl r good. fnd a way 4 dem 2 stay. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
she must like winning | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17732 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On July 27 2013 15:48 Ilikestarcraft wrote: I switched from t to z because I wanted to be able to beat protoss. I am able to beat p now. Except it's much easier as Protoss to kill Zergs than it is Terrans. | ||
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art_of_turtle
United States1202 Posts
On July 27 2013 16:59 L_Master wrote: Except it's much easier as Protoss to kill Zergs than it is Terrans. You only say that cause your PVZ is well above the average of most players in D League. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17732 Posts
On July 27 2013 16:59 L_Master wrote: Except it's much easier as Protoss to kill Zergs than it is Terrans. Zvp is so much easier than tvp though. | ||
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lightson
45 Posts
Rank: D+ ICCUP account: omoy Race: T My current rank is D+, but don't let it fool you as my play is inconsistent - I personally feel that my true rank is low-mid D at best . Not sure if this is relevant, but I think it plays a part in getting new players to stay motivated. In my experiences of joining "clans" way back, I felt distanced from certain players despite my efforts to get "closer" to them. People had formed their own groups within said clan, and in most cases they weren't too welcoming of newer members. I feel that the way to keeping new players motivated lies with the "veterans" of said team. If the vets are content with their own circle of mates and are not really interested in the new player...well, you can't blame the new player for disappearing. To put it simply, its up to the existing members to remove the "glass wall" between then and newer players. | ||
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chrisolo
Germany2609 Posts
Thank you very much. | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
On July 27 2013 17:51 lightson wrote: Signing up as a free agent. Was too late for DRIT 6, definitely don't want to miss out on this. Rank: D+ ICCUP account: omoy Race: T My current rank is D+, but don't let it fool you as my play is inconsistent - I personally feel that my true rank is low-mid D at best . Not sure if this is relevant, but I think it plays a part in getting new players to stay motivated. In my experiences of joining "clans" way back, I felt distanced from certain players despite my efforts to get "closer" to them. People had formed their own groups within said clan, and in most cases they weren't too welcoming of newer members. I feel that the way to keeping new players motivated lies with the "veterans" of said team. If the vets are content with their own circle of mates and are not really interested in the new player...well, you can't blame the new player for disappearing. To put it simply, its up to the existing members to remove the "glass wall" between then and newer players. This is a team thing more than a league thing though; I've had experienced running clans before and it's really hard to get new people integrated with the existing people, unless the existing people are outgoing and friendly enough, or if the team captain is good at basically teaching both the oldies and the newbies to be friends xD | ||
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pebble444
Italy2500 Posts
On July 27 2013 17:51 lightson wrote: Signing up as a free agent. Was too late for DRIT 6, definitely don't want to miss out on this. Rank: D+ ICCUP account: omoy Race: T My current rank is D+, but don't let it fool you as my play is inconsistent - I personally feel that my true rank is low-mid D at best . Not sure if this is relevant, but I think it plays a part in getting new players to stay motivated. In my experiences of joining "clans" way back, I felt distanced from certain players despite my efforts to get "closer" to them. People had formed their own groups within said clan, and in most cases they weren't too welcoming of newer members. I feel that the way to keeping new players motivated lies with the "veterans" of said team. If the vets are content with their own circle of mates and are not really interested in the new player...well, you can't blame the new player for disappearing. To put it simply, its up to the existing members to remove the "glass wall" between then and newer players. Sun Khan is the team for you then. :D . Join us. I have read all and really don' t have any more inputs. There must be a reasnable/logic/practical/good "reform" , i just don' t really know. all i can say is my opinion please re-institute Ace matches, when i was on DeSPA we had this and it was very important in making a team and discussing who would go out. Also it was so much fun! | ||
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pebble444
Italy2500 Posts
For all the people who are afraid/doubt of signing up for rank/skill reasons: This league is built for you. Thats the main core idea, the hearth of how this league was born. Back in season 2, i had a lot of doubts in joining in, as i thought i wasn' t good enough. I could hardly beat the computer, and just was too insicure of myself. However i gave it a shot, best thing i ever did in starcraft. I meet new people, a great team and team mates, and they really helped me in improving, dedicating me time and advice, training me, not judging me but helping me understand my mystakes. Even if obviously it is not said you will have this experience, most people on here are willing to dedicate time and words to help where is needed. The only thing they ask in return is willing to commit some time and dedication to da Broodwar. This one of the reasons why i like this community. Give it a shot. Hit that post button. Its up to you how far you go, if you don' t try you' ll never know. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Motivational video: (the sword in the stone) Don' t mind the frog. Hes just a troll. | ||
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Cpt.beefy
Ireland799 Posts
If players are considered to strong, I'll let L_master be the judge. I will not say to anyone on my team you can't play. AA | ||
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ninini
Sweden1204 Posts
ez mode. I like how noone questions it when a zerg or protoss switches race to whatever, but when a terran switches, all the other terrans feels betrayed. On July 27 2013 13:40 Birdie wrote: So basically, to the other teams, recruit and send out the D- and D players too, don't just aim to win (although do that too! )Seriously, if there's anyone who doesn't get to play much, for the reason of not being good enough, they should just switch teams, or maybe discuss it with their captain. We all sign up to play, and it's a skill-capped league. Skill shouldn't matter. I don't mind that teams top their lineups in the playoffs, but in the regular season, making sure that everybody gets the play time we all deserve should be the top priority. | ||
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lightson
45 Posts
Sun Khan is the team for you then. :D . Join us. I have read all and really don' t have any more inputs. There must be a reasnable/logic/practical/good "reform" , i just don' t really know. all i can say is my opinion please re-institute Ace matches, when i was on DeSPA we had this and it was very important in making a team and discussing who would go out. Also it was so much fun! Great, sign me up! | ||
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DarkNetHunter
1224 Posts
A good practice environment with lots of intra-team communication, and a chance to show their improvement in matches. I think DeSPA, but also other teams did a good job of fielding anyone who wanted to play and letting them have the experience of being in the deciding games. However I do think the league suffered a bit from some teams being less organized than others or unwilling to field weaker players in the last season. For the record though, are these 6 teams returning to this league? So Courage TAKK DeSPA Sun Khan Stealth Bunnies Airforce Ace of Spades I would strongly suggest against making any new teams out of free agents, but rather integrate everyone into existing teams. DeSPA could definitely use some more players and I'm sure a few of the others might as well. | ||
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