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On July 27 2013 23:46 DarkNetHunter wrote:
I think two aspects are important for the integration of new people.
A good practice environment with lots of intra-team communication, and a chance to show their improvement in matches.
I think DeSPA, but also other teams did a good job of fielding anyone who wanted to play and letting them have the experience of being in the deciding games.
However I do think the league suffered a bit from some teams being less organized than others or unwilling to field weaker players in the last season.
For the record though, are these 6 teams returning to this league? So
Courage
TAKK
DeSPA
Sun Khan
Stealth Bunnies
Airforce Ace of Spades
I would strongly suggest against making any new teams out of free agents, but rather integrate everyone into existing teams. DeSPA could definitely use some more players and I'm sure a few of the others might as well.
Technically, Courage and Stealth Bunnies have yet to announce that they would be participating in DRTL 5. o.o
But yes, I do agree in not making another team out of mostly free agents. If a team wants to join in, for their own good, I suggest that they need at least 5 original players to start out as a team.
I just wish we could all get along and be happy.
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On July 27 2013 23:46 DarkNetHunter wrote:
I think two aspects are important for the integration of new people.
A good practice environment with lots of intra-team communication, and a chance to show their improvement in matches.
I think DeSPA, but also other teams did a good job of fielding anyone who wanted to play and letting them have the experience of being in the deciding games.
However I do think the league suffered a bit from some teams being less organized than others or unwilling to field weaker players in the last season.
For the record though, are these 6 teams returning to this league? So
Courage
TAKK
DeSPA
Sun Khan
Stealth Bunnies
Airforce Ace of Spades
I would strongly suggest against making any new teams out of free agents, but rather integrate everyone into existing teams. DeSPA could definitely use some more players and I'm sure a few of the others might as well.
I approves.
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I think one thing teams need to start doing in order to retain players is to begin to organize some practice with one another, in a systematic sense. Or maybe thats already done, I dont know-- I havent played anyone on my team at all, and the lack of consistent practice partners really is a bitch, especially now a days on icc with the population dwindling.
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On July 28 2013 04:13 Dazed_Spy wrote:
I think one thing teams need to start doing in order to retain players is to begin to organize some practice with one another, in a systematic sense. Or maybe thats already done, I dont know-- I havent played anyone on my team at all, and the lack of consistent practice partners really is a bitch, especially now a days on icc with the population dwindling.
Join DeSPA and you shall receive ^_^
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On July 27 2013 17:17 art_of_turtle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 16:59 L_Master wrote:On July 27 2013 15:48 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I switched from t to z because I wanted to be able to beat protoss. I am able to beat p now. Except it's much easier as Protoss to kill Zergs than it is Terrans. You only say that cause your PVZ is well above the average of most players in D League.
Of course. 
Basically, I just "get" PvZ way better than I do PvT. Well, I'm comfortable with PvT up till max, then it's just like "uhh...."
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On July 28 2013 05:06 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 17:17 art_of_turtle wrote:On July 27 2013 16:59 L_Master wrote:On July 27 2013 15:48 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I switched from t to z because I wanted to be able to beat protoss. I am able to beat p now. Except it's much easier as Protoss to kill Zergs than it is Terrans. You only say that cause your PVZ is well above the average of most players in D League. Of course. Basically, I just "get" PvZ way better than I do PvT. Well, I'm comfortable with PvT up till max, then it's just like "uhh...."
a click, when your army dies its k cuz you can remake it in like 5 seconds, continue to a click and use stasis until you win
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On July 28 2013 04:13 Dazed_Spy wrote:
I think one thing teams need to start doing in order to retain players is to begin to organize some practice with one another, in a systematic sense. Or maybe thats already done, I dont know-- I havent played anyone on my team at all, and the lack of consistent practice partners really is a bitch, especially now a days on icc with the population dwindling.
Are you in the skype group? Most of us are usually around for some games...especially a zerg such as yourself!
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On July 28 2013 05:07 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 04:13 Dazed_Spy wrote:
I think one thing teams need to start doing in order to retain players is to begin to organize some practice with one another, in a systematic sense. Or maybe thats already done, I dont know-- I havent played anyone on my team at all, and the lack of consistent practice partners really is a bitch, especially now a days on icc with the population dwindling. Are you in the skype group? Most of us are usually around for some games...especially a zerg such as yourself! I cant use skype, it shuts my internet off and I cant find a damn way to fix it. [help?]
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On July 28 2013 05:07 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 05:06 L_Master wrote:On July 27 2013 17:17 art_of_turtle wrote:On July 27 2013 16:59 L_Master wrote:On July 27 2013 15:48 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I switched from t to z because I wanted to be able to beat protoss. I am able to beat p now. Except it's much easier as Protoss to kill Zergs than it is Terrans. You only say that cause your PVZ is well above the average of most players in D League. Of course. Basically, I just "get" PvZ way better than I do PvT. Well, I'm comfortable with PvT up till max, then it's just like "uhh...." a click, when your army dies its k cuz you can remake it in like 5 seconds, continue to a click and use stasis until you win
Yea, well ya see...this might work if my army did anything, but the typical result of an attack on terran is me killing 8 vultures and a tank at a cost of 50+ supply. To add to the confusion every once in a while I attack and the terran army actually takes damage...but I can't even see what happens different. It's like 1a2a3a4a5a ttt and pray.
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On July 28 2013 05:08 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 05:07 L_Master wrote:On July 28 2013 04:13 Dazed_Spy wrote:
I think one thing teams need to start doing in order to retain players is to begin to organize some practice with one another, in a systematic sense. Or maybe thats already done, I dont know-- I havent played anyone on my team at all, and the lack of consistent practice partners really is a bitch, especially now a days on icc with the population dwindling. Are you in the skype group? Most of us are usually around for some games...especially a zerg such as yourself! I cant use skype, it shuts my internet off and I cant find a damn way to fix it. [help?]
o.O
I've never even heard of this occurring. That's really damn strange. Maybe post in tech support forum about that, as I wouldn't have a clue myself?
One thing we could do as a team though is have once or twice a week a dedicated time where anyone who is available will go op TAKK and do some practice/KOTH or w/e, which sorta gets around the skype issue and helps ensure some practice partners.
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On July 28 2013 05:12 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 05:08 Dazed_Spy wrote:On July 28 2013 05:07 L_Master wrote:On July 28 2013 04:13 Dazed_Spy wrote:
I think one thing teams need to start doing in order to retain players is to begin to organize some practice with one another, in a systematic sense. Or maybe thats already done, I dont know-- I havent played anyone on my team at all, and the lack of consistent practice partners really is a bitch, especially now a days on icc with the population dwindling. Are you in the skype group? Most of us are usually around for some games...especially a zerg such as yourself! I cant use skype, it shuts my internet off and I cant find a damn way to fix it. [help?] o.O I've never even heard of this occurring. That's really damn strange. Maybe post in tech support forum about that, as I wouldn't have a clue myself? One thing we could do as a team though is have once or twice a week a dedicated time where anyone who is available will go op TAKK and do some practice/KOTH or w/e, which sorta gets around the skype issue and helps ensure some practice partners. Yeah, a koth is definitely what we need. 
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i would like to be in the free agent
Rank: D (max i think was 1200?)
ICCUP account: AcE_PL
Race: Terran
USA PST
i just got back to brood war and have just been playing bwai bots lol.
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On July 28 2013 03:40 Cpt.beefy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 23:46 DarkNetHunter wrote:
I think two aspects are important for the integration of new people.
A good practice environment with lots of intra-team communication, and a chance to show their improvement in matches.
I think DeSPA, but also other teams did a good job of fielding anyone who wanted to play and letting them have the experience of being in the deciding games.
However I do think the league suffered a bit from some teams being less organized than others or unwilling to field weaker players in the last season.
For the record though, are these 6 teams returning to this league? So
Courage
TAKK
DeSPA
Sun Khan
Stealth Bunnies
Airforce Ace of Spades
I would strongly suggest against making any new teams out of free agents, but rather integrate everyone into existing teams. DeSPA could definitely use some more players and I'm sure a few of the others might as well.
I approves.
Sun Khan only has 3 players. Me, pebble, and imatthebeach
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sB has enough players, although I have a few people not confirmed. We should be entering again, I'll post our roster soonish. All very well saying that the free agents should go to those six teams but then there will be too many for a Bo5 as far as I can see. sB's already looking to have 8-10 players, which means that a few will sit out each week anyway.
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I'm considering running two sB teams this year. I'd like people's opinions on this: Should I be required to run the two teams separately, or should I be allowed to run them as one roster but two different lineups each week?
Poll: One roster or two separate rosters?Two rosters. (4) 80% One roster. (1) 20% 5 total votes Your vote: One roster or two separate rosters? (Vote): One roster.
(Vote): Two rosters.
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Running two teams in the same league....? No matter what you say/claim, I think running two different teams in the same league is wayyyyyyyyyy to sketchy due to problems with Conflicts of Interests.
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On July 28 2013 11:08 Sentenal wrote:
Running two teams in the same league....? No matter what you say/claim, I think running two different teams in the same league is wayyyyyyyyyy to sketchy due to problems with Conflicts of Interests.
The other way I could do it is have two separate rosters, appoint a captain for each (whether one of those is myself or not) and have both under the same tag. That way I'm not responsible for managing the lineups for both so if the two teams are playing or there's potential to throw a match for the sake of getting one team into the playoffs, I can't really be able to do that.
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On July 28 2013 11:12 Birdie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 11:08 Sentenal wrote:
Running two teams in the same league....? No matter what you say/claim, I think running two different teams in the same league is wayyyyyyyyyy to sketchy due to problems with Conflicts of Interests. The other way I could do it is have two separate rosters, appoint a captain for each (whether one of those is myself or not) and have both under the same tag. That way I'm not responsible for managing the lineups for both so if the two teams are playing or there's potential to throw a match for the sake of getting one team into the playoffs, I can't really be able to do that.
Technically, since both teams are under YOUR brand, you'll be held responsible for whatever happens, regardless of whether you actually meant for it to happen or not.
Lets say you captain a team called Stealth Bunnies A, and for the sake of example, you have Nikon run Stealth Bunnies B. We're excluding all personality traits or behaviors that were exhibited in the past by either captain. Lets say Stealth Bunnies A just needs a win to guarantee a playoff spot and Stealth Bunnies B was already eliminated. What would happen if Stealth Bunnies B were to think, "Oh, we're already out, lets give our other half a way to the playoffs. Why would it matter, all they need is a win and we're already out." Conflict of interest.
Now, whether that'll happen because of you, Birdie. But there's too many situations, and there would be suspicion amongst other teams that you're possibly cheating in some way, shape, or form by going through with two rosters. But ideally, I'd recommend just sticking with one roster and maybe petitioning for a Bo7 with 6 teams and a 12 week schedule with each team playing other teams 2 times each, or something to extend the lesser number of teams.
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Technically, since both teams are under YOUR brand, you'll be held responsible for whatever happens, regardless of whether you actually meant for it to happen or not.
I'm fine for being responsible, but I'm saying I can make it as difficult as possible for there to be an easy conflict of interest such as what you described. I personally wouldn't allow any such behaviour in either team, but of course people in the league only have my word for that. Both teams should be playing to win no matter what, and every player too. Throwing matches is scummy behaviour and if I found anyone in any team doing that then I'd be quite happy to expose them to the public.
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I dunno, maybe a better solution is bringing in a team with a lesser number of players into the fray and either have your 2nd pot of players go join their team, or have the team, like SunKhan, be a part of Stealth Bunnies V2. That way, unless another team signs up, possibly mSj or NW Power, we won't have to have 7 teams and/or make a team primarily of free agents.
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