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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
August 14 2013 22:09 GMT
#761
On August 15 2013 06:35 DarkNetHunter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 06:17 KaiGreene wrote:
I would like to reschedule my match on the 24th. I really have to work then because I owed a colleague a big favor. Thanks in advance

Uh, can't someone else on TAKK sub for you? It's not like lineups were due yet or anything.
Not that I care, you're playing vs mSj D:


We've got like four core players and hes one of em, so I think the answer is 'rather not'
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
August 14 2013 22:14 GMT
#762
Aren't there like 10 players on TAKK?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
dcemberzerg
Profile Joined August 2013
Romania11 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-14 22:50:19
August 14 2013 22:49 GMT
#763
Can anyone please post the draft? I would like to see how the ordering of each player drafted went.
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
August 14 2013 22:57 GMT
#764
What if we create a D Ranks Champions League (DRCL) as a follow up to DRTL?

DRTL continues with 4 teams playoffs, but only the top 6 teams will be able to participate in DRCL. This would keep the interest in the league even for the bottom teams.

So DRTL ranking would work something like this:

1st: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
2nd: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
3rd: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
4th: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
5th: invite to DRCL
6th: invite to DRCL
7th: nothing, go practice for next season!
8th: nothing, go practice for next season!

Even if the 7th and 8th teams have no chance to grab a spot in the playoffs, they could always try to reach to the DRCL.

Kind of like we have in football (soccer).
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 14 2013 23:45 GMT
#765
On August 15 2013 07:57 fabiano wrote:
What if we create a D Ranks Champions League (DRCL) as a follow up to DRTL?

DRTL continues with 4 teams playoffs, but only the top 6 teams will be able to participate in DRCL. This would keep the interest in the league even for the bottom teams.

So DRTL ranking would work something like this:

1st: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
2nd: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
3rd: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
4th: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
5th: invite to DRCL
6th: invite to DRCL
7th: nothing, go practice for next season!
8th: nothing, go practice for next season!

Even if the 7th and 8th teams have no chance to grab a spot in the playoffs, they could always try to reach to the DRCL.

Kind of like we have in football (soccer).

not a bad idea, I like it. I'll echo that 14 weeks is a bit too long. Maybe 12 weeks is a bit better?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-14 23:49:44
August 14 2013 23:49 GMT
#766
On August 15 2013 08:45 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 07:57 fabiano wrote:
What if we create a D Ranks Champions League (DRCL) as a follow up to DRTL?

DRTL continues with 4 teams playoffs, but only the top 6 teams will be able to participate in DRCL. This would keep the interest in the league even for the bottom teams.

So DRTL ranking would work something like this:

1st: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
2nd: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
3rd: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
4th: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
5th: invite to DRCL
6th: invite to DRCL
7th: nothing, go practice for next season!
8th: nothing, go practice for next season!

Even if the 7th and 8th teams have no chance to grab a spot in the playoffs, they could always try to reach to the DRCL.

Kind of like we have in football (soccer).

not a bad idea, I like it. I'll echo that 14 weeks is a bit too long. Maybe 12 weeks is a bit better?


I agree that 14 is on the lengthy side, but there are only two other alternatives:

1) 7 week season - In my opinion this is really short, barely gives the season time to get rolling and it's over
2) 8-13 wk season - better length, but then you get into the messiness of byes, not to mention they can be unfair to teams (weak team doesn't get a bye vs a stronger team)

I guess a third option exists though, which is having it be two seven week seasons, allowing for re-drafting and signing new FA in the events of inactivity, possible with a DRIT in between.

EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-14 23:53:11
August 14 2013 23:52 GMT
#767
Well, DRATL was 7 weeks with 8 teams, and it did fine (more or less). DRTL3 was 9 weeks with 8 teams, and I got no clue how that worked out.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
August 14 2013 23:53 GMT
#768
On August 15 2013 07:14 Sentenal wrote:
Aren't there like 10 players on TAKK?
Not all of them are active and not all of them are as good as kai.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
August 14 2013 23:55 GMT
#769
On August 15 2013 08:53 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 07:14 Sentenal wrote:
Aren't there like 10 players on TAKK?
Not all of them are active and not all of them are as good as kai.

If a player CAN be subbed, the ideal situation is that regardless of how active/good the player is, a sub should be priority than a postponement.
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DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
August 15 2013 01:54 GMT
#770
On August 15 2013 08:53 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 07:14 Sentenal wrote:
Aren't there like 10 players on TAKK?
Not all of them are active and not all of them are as good as kai.

The whole point of this league is letting less good players have experience competing. If no one else is active it's understandable, although that brings into question why TAKK didn't draft then.

As for the timing situation, I think 14wk season is better because it allows everyone to rematch their opponent (byes wouldn' allow it), and its better than 7week season (just is rly short). I think its almost ideal now, since playoffs should happen in November or so, after which we could have a DRIT from Nov/Dec period and start with a DRATL or DRTLS7 in January?

Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 15 2013 02:56 GMT
#771
On August 15 2013 08:49 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 08:45 BigFan wrote:
On August 15 2013 07:57 fabiano wrote:
What if we create a D Ranks Champions League (DRCL) as a follow up to DRTL?

DRTL continues with 4 teams playoffs, but only the top 6 teams will be able to participate in DRCL. This would keep the interest in the league even for the bottom teams.

So DRTL ranking would work something like this:

1st: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
2nd: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
3rd: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
4th: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
5th: invite to DRCL
6th: invite to DRCL
7th: nothing, go practice for next season!
8th: nothing, go practice for next season!

Even if the 7th and 8th teams have no chance to grab a spot in the playoffs, they could always try to reach to the DRCL.

Kind of like we have in football (soccer).

not a bad idea, I like it. I'll echo that 14 weeks is a bit too long. Maybe 12 weeks is a bit better?


I agree that 14 is on the lengthy side, but there are only two other alternatives:

1) 7 week season - In my opinion this is really short, barely gives the season time to get rolling and it's over
2) 8-13 wk season - better length, but then you get into the messiness of byes, not to mention they can be unfair to teams (weak team doesn't get a bye vs a stronger team)

I guess a third option exists though, which is having it be two seven week seasons, allowing for re-drafting and signing new FA in the events of inactivity, possible with a DRIT in between.


I'm actually not sure what the concept of byes is. Should read up on it. Third option definitely seems like a reasonable idea although I wonder when the finals would be after the second season.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
August 15 2013 03:04 GMT
#772
On August 15 2013 11:56 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 08:49 L_Master wrote:
On August 15 2013 08:45 BigFan wrote:
On August 15 2013 07:57 fabiano wrote:
What if we create a D Ranks Champions League (DRCL) as a follow up to DRTL?

DRTL continues with 4 teams playoffs, but only the top 6 teams will be able to participate in DRCL. This would keep the interest in the league even for the bottom teams.

So DRTL ranking would work something like this:

1st: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
2nd: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
3rd: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
4th: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
5th: invite to DRCL
6th: invite to DRCL
7th: nothing, go practice for next season!
8th: nothing, go practice for next season!

Even if the 7th and 8th teams have no chance to grab a spot in the playoffs, they could always try to reach to the DRCL.

Kind of like we have in football (soccer).

not a bad idea, I like it. I'll echo that 14 weeks is a bit too long. Maybe 12 weeks is a bit better?


I agree that 14 is on the lengthy side, but there are only two other alternatives:

1) 7 week season - In my opinion this is really short, barely gives the season time to get rolling and it's over
2) 8-13 wk season - better length, but then you get into the messiness of byes, not to mention they can be unfair to teams (weak team doesn't get a bye vs a stronger team)

I guess a third option exists though, which is having it be two seven week seasons, allowing for re-drafting and signing new FA in the events of inactivity, possible with a DRIT in between.


I'm actually not sure what the concept of byes is. Should read up on it. Third option definitely seems like a reasonable idea although I wonder when the finals would be after the second season.

A 'bye' is basically an off-week for a team. So like if your team had a week 1 bye, that means your team doesn't play week 1.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
August 15 2013 04:04 GMT
#773
there should really be rules this season about postponement

say, a max of like 3 per season

last season was kind of ridiculous with postponing almost ever game every single week
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 04:14:59
August 15 2013 04:14 GMT
#774
I agree in the sense that there should be rules that are more strict on making postponements, but to others that want to play but can't play on gamedays, they'll feel it's unfair.

In my opinion, a player that CAN play should be placed priority over those that are considered better but needs to postpone. We're trying to limit walkovers, yes, but we should also be trying to limit postponements. Getting results in ASAP should be our main goal.

Edit: And also, dunno where captains are, but it'd be appreciated if teams that took part in the draft came out and either posted their new draftees or posted their new rosters.
twitch.tv/dizzywee
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
August 15 2013 04:54 GMT
#775
On August 15 2013 13:04 rauk wrote:
there should really be rules this season about postponement

say, a max of like 3 per season

last season was kind of ridiculous with postponing almost ever game every single week

Everyone ignored me when I brought it up, so I assumed nobody agreed with the idea.
On July 27 2013 13:35 KazeHydra wrote:
Also, rescheduling and w/o consistently stirs up drama every now and then. I think enforcing stricter pp rules (for example, only 2 players per week can request pp or games must be played no later than the following Thursday) is a good idea. This is because teams often don't account for whether players can play at game time. Drama aside, this has caused delays in results, and last DRTL playoffs took 2 weeks per round in addition to them being delayed to get in the final regular season results due to the very close rankings. Furthermore, this means teams have the option of always fielding their strongest members. Therefore, stricter pp rules would indirectly cause a decrease in the amount of games the strongest players play as well as the actual occasional need to rely on weaker players to fill in at game time.

My suggestions are only examples, and I think max of 3 per season is too harsh, but I do agree with some form of strict pp rules. Teams should not be allowed to field their best players every week while requesting pp's left and right, and the current rules basically allow this if teams choose to do so.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 15 2013 05:21 GMT
#776
On August 15 2013 12:04 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 11:56 BigFan wrote:
On August 15 2013 08:49 L_Master wrote:
On August 15 2013 08:45 BigFan wrote:
On August 15 2013 07:57 fabiano wrote:
What if we create a D Ranks Champions League (DRCL) as a follow up to DRTL?

DRTL continues with 4 teams playoffs, but only the top 6 teams will be able to participate in DRCL. This would keep the interest in the league even for the bottom teams.

So DRTL ranking would work something like this:

1st: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
2nd: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
3rd: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
4th: goes to DRTL playoffs + invite to DRCL
5th: invite to DRCL
6th: invite to DRCL
7th: nothing, go practice for next season!
8th: nothing, go practice for next season!

Even if the 7th and 8th teams have no chance to grab a spot in the playoffs, they could always try to reach to the DRCL.

Kind of like we have in football (soccer).

not a bad idea, I like it. I'll echo that 14 weeks is a bit too long. Maybe 12 weeks is a bit better?


I agree that 14 is on the lengthy side, but there are only two other alternatives:

1) 7 week season - In my opinion this is really short, barely gives the season time to get rolling and it's over
2) 8-13 wk season - better length, but then you get into the messiness of byes, not to mention they can be unfair to teams (weak team doesn't get a bye vs a stronger team)

I guess a third option exists though, which is having it be two seven week seasons, allowing for re-drafting and signing new FA in the events of inactivity, possible with a DRIT in between.


I'm actually not sure what the concept of byes is. Should read up on it. Third option definitely seems like a reasonable idea although I wonder when the finals would be after the second season.

A 'bye' is basically an off-week for a team. So like if your team had a week 1 bye, that means your team doesn't play week 1.

oh ok makes sense.

While I agree there should be rules about postponements, I think having a limit of 3 etc... might also be problematic. I think first a substitute should be attempted. If it doesn't work, then have a postponement but ask for the match to be played by the end of the week so that you have the results by Sunday night. Have both players organize the time to play it and if that's impossible, either get two other players to play it or eliminate it from the list(ex. 5 matches, whichever team wins 3/4 matches wins. If the score is 2/4, have an ace match then). I'm sure that there are some problems with my recommendation but at least it keeps the league flexible and would still appeal to those that have a busy lifestyle.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
August 15 2013 07:20 GMT
#777
I'm thinking a two round DRTL, with a DRIT in between, 7 weeks for each DRTL; maybe the first 3-4 weeks of round 2 as all-kill format. Playoffs after the 2nd round.
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greenelve
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1392 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 09:30:12
August 15 2013 09:29 GMT
#778
On August 15 2013 16:20 L_Master wrote:
I'm thinking a two round DRTL, with a DRIT in between, 7 weeks for each DRTL; maybe the first 3-4 weeks of round 2 as all-kill format. Playoffs after the 2nd round.

And now we are talking serious buisness. How about 3 parts: normal style -all kill - normal style = into playoffs after 3 rounds

Playday would be saturday (usuall day) and DRIT is running during DRTL, playday would be sunday. DRIT could be held 2times or 1 big DRIT.

Which would also means, that all D Rank league/tour maker/admin as to work together. Which would lead to fix season times, cause no more "i start it when i want it to start" or "i would start but im not sure if anyone else want to do something", with breaks between for draft and "recovery" like real (e)sport.

So...just subscribe to Draw's youtubechannel, so he can stream again (besides twitch ) and we might have pro caster too. perfect ready for more professional d ranks.
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
August 15 2013 10:13 GMT
#779
Only problem with the longer season with DRIT in the middle is that players have a habit of leaving during even only a 10 week season and you're planning on making that even longer, perhaps double. It does sound fun, just the logistics of it could be problematic.
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t0ssboy
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 18:18:39
August 15 2013 10:37 GMT
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