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On January 18 2013 09:31 SynC[gm] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 09:26 Jealous wrote:On January 18 2013 08:39 Kalk wrote:I am not complaining anymore, becaus it is useless. Just wanted to know who my opponent is. I wont play vs you anyway. I will lose my first zvz and you will walk trough 2-0. No problem for me. + Show Spoiler +But just for my information, how is a 21-10 statistic touching c- and falling back, like Jealous described it? 21-10 is 66% winrate vs D/D+ players, which of course could potentially put him in the top tier of D+ players. People who present this sort of winrate, in my experience, rarely have above 50% winrate vs. C- players, in fact it is usually lower. However, the fact that he chose to stop at 3063 limits our ability to truly gauge his skill level, as he is unlikely to have played any games vs. C- players, which most likely WOULD push him into the category I described. Let's also look at other examples: A. 2 seasons ago, I went 14-0 in the last 2 weeks of ladder, which would make people like you go "WOAH! He's way too good for this league." However, the next season, I earned 28-26 with a high D+. This is more consistent with what people would expect from a DR participant. But, the fact is that I went on an almost equally strong streak, getting to somewhere similar or maybe even better than Sentenal's 21-10. After that, playing against C- and other strong D+ players made me go ~7-16, resulting in a final W/L of 28-26, which is statistically a better representation of my performance due to a greater number of games played. Of course, there is no telling whether Sentenal would have kept climbing up, or if he would fall back down, but based on my experience I think it is far more likely for a player to fall back down. B. Although many have noted Massssssss's C-, that was also 2 seasons ago, also with a winning record. If you look at his current record, it is something like 38-40 D+ (this is going from memory, ICCup is down right now). The same exact phenomenon - more games leads players to have a less dominant appearance, because a greater sample size allows for a greater accuracy. Most importantly. you are forgetting the key point of my post: If the administration deems the skill level of an opponent to not be too great for the tournament (usually based on replays, past tournaments, etc.), then you have to take it on good faith that their skill is appropriate. What I suggest you do is instead of using past results that have no matchlist (and therefore no room to analyze whether he was stomping D- players or beating legitimate C-/D+ level players to achieve his rank), you can do the following: Request that Sentenal present some 10+ minute replays, analyze them, and present a reasonable argument for why he shouldn't be in the league. This was done in prior tournaments. Of course, I don't think Sentenal would be obligated to do so, but I also don't think he would say "no." Also, Sentenal is cheesy as fuuuuuuuuck xD This post also goes to show how imba BaBo is and how he should simply make no probes in his Group E games.
I'm only imba vs. Terran, lucky you! <3
Oh wait >:D
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On January 18 2013 09:31 SynC[gm] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 09:26 Jealous wrote:On January 18 2013 08:39 Kalk wrote:I am not complaining anymore, becaus it is useless. Just wanted to know who my opponent is. I wont play vs you anyway. I will lose my first zvz and you will walk trough 2-0. No problem for me. + Show Spoiler +But just for my information, how is a 21-10 statistic touching c- and falling back, like Jealous described it? 21-10 is 66% winrate vs D/D+ players, which of course could potentially put him in the top tier of D+ players. People who present this sort of winrate, in my experience, rarely have above 50% winrate vs. C- players, in fact it is usually lower. However, the fact that he chose to stop at 3063 limits our ability to truly gauge his skill level, as he is unlikely to have played any games vs. C- players, which most likely WOULD push him into the category I described. Let's also look at other examples: A. 2 seasons ago, I went 14-0 in the last 2 weeks of ladder, which would make people like you go "WOAH! He's way too good for this league." However, the next season, I earned 28-26 with a high D+. This is more consistent with what people would expect from a DR participant. But, the fact is that I went on an almost equally strong streak, getting to somewhere similar or maybe even better than Sentenal's 21-10. After that, playing against C- and other strong D+ players made me go ~7-16, resulting in a final W/L of 28-26, which is statistically a better representation of my performance due to a greater number of games played. Of course, there is no telling whether Sentenal would have kept climbing up, or if he would fall back down, but based on my experience I think it is far more likely for a player to fall back down. B. Although many have noted Massssssss's C-, that was also 2 seasons ago, also with a winning record. If you look at his current record, it is something like 38-40 D+ (this is going from memory, ICCup is down right now). The same exact phenomenon - more games leads players to have a less dominant appearance, because a greater sample size allows for a greater accuracy. Most importantly. you are forgetting the key point of my post: If the administration deems the skill level of an opponent to not be too great for the tournament (usually based on replays, past tournaments, etc.), then you have to take it on good faith that their skill is appropriate. What I suggest you do is instead of using past results that have no matchlist (and therefore no room to analyze whether he was stomping D- players or beating legitimate C-/D+ level players to achieve his rank), you can do the following: Request that Sentenal present some 10+ minute replays, analyze them, and present a reasonable argument for why he shouldn't be in the league. This was done in prior tournaments. Of course, I don't think Sentenal would be obligated to do so, but I also don't think he would say "no." Also, Sentenal is cheesy as fuuuuuuuuck xD This post also goes to show how imba BaBo is and how he should simply make no probes in his Group E games.
Not sure if imba.
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I won't be able to play for a while, so no.
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Oh yeah, I was extremely confused at that account when I was looking up Ladder 1x1. I'm assuming they're all his friends or something, because that's just ridiculous.
On that note, does anyone know how many points an E player would get if he beats an Olympic-ranked player on a Map of the week? Theoretically speaking, of course.
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Lol, Babo, you are nuts, I don't want people to be even more prepared for me than they already are by watching even more replays, haha. I'm sure if that dude wants to, he can find 10+ replays of me that I've already played in these leagues.
+ Show Spoiler +And for the record, I'm only cheesy as fuck in PvP, because fuck PvP lol
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On January 18 2013 10:54 SynC[gm] wrote:
Oh yeah, I was extremely confused at that account when I was looking up Ladder 1x1. I'm assuming they're all his friends or something, because that's just ridiculous.
On that note, does anyone know how many points an E player would get if he beats an Olympic-ranked player on a Map of the week? Theoretically speaking, of course.
No, there are people who legitimately join games vs. B-/C+ players when they are D because they either can't join any other game or because they just don't care or because they actually want to play vs a gosu for reps.
However, me and some of the stronger RSL players are hatching a plan to smurf the FUCK out of him so he loses everything. He loses 150 points to D players, so... xD
To answer your question, I think each rank higher is +25%. Like, D beating D+ on non-motw is 125%. So what we have to do is do 100 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.25 ... x 1.30
E D- D D+ C- C C+ B- B B+ A- A A+ O
that is 14 ranks so 13 intervals in between, so...
100 x 1.25^13 = 100 x 18.18989403545856475830078125 = 1818.989403545856475830078125
1818.989403545856475830078125 x 1.30 = 2364.6862246096134185791015625
So 2365 points LOL.
Could be like 1-30 D+ ahahahahaha
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Y u make terrans play against each other, we are so few tt.
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On January 18 2013 08:39 Kalk wrote:I am not complaining anymore, becaus it is useless. Just wanted to know who my opponent is. I wont play vs you anyway. I will lose my first zvz and you will walk trough 2-0. No problem for me. + Show Spoiler +But just for my information, how is a 21-10 statistic touching c- and falling back, like Jealous described it?
I've played him several times. He does play fairly cheesy/aggressive in PvP which tends to work well at these levels. He is good. However, he isn't like "holy shit wtf imba no way can I beat this guy" good. As BaBo said if he were that strong he would likely have won a DRIT by now.
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On January 18 2013 11:02 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 10:54 SynC[gm] wrote:
Oh yeah, I was extremely confused at that account when I was looking up Ladder 1x1. I'm assuming they're all his friends or something, because that's just ridiculous.
On that note, does anyone know how many points an E player would get if he beats an Olympic-ranked player on a Map of the week? Theoretically speaking, of course. No, there are people who legitimately join games vs. B-/C+ players when they are D because they either can't join any other game or because they just don't care or because they actually want to play vs a gosu for reps. However, me and some of the stronger RSL players are hatching a plan to smurf the FUCK out of him so he loses everything. He loses 150 points to D players, so... xD To answer your question, I think each rank higher is +25%. Like, D beating D+ on non-motw is 125%. So what we have to do is do 100 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.25 ... x 1.30 E D- D D+ C- C C+ B- B B+ A- A A+ O that is 14 ranks so 13 intervals in between, so... 100 x 1.25^13 = 100 x 18.18989403545856475830078125 = 1818.989403545856475830078125 1818.989403545856475830078125 x 1.30 = 2364.6862246096134185791015625 So 2365 points LOL. Could be like 1-30 D+ ahahahahaha
Yeah, but there are multiple cases where they re, sometimes more than 5 times. And these guys just happened to all wanna play a C+/B- player multiple times just for the sake of reps?
Man, and imagine the points lost by the Olympic-ranked player. If I remember correctly, I think you can lose up to 125 points, even if you lose to your own rank, when you get up to A- or so?
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On January 18 2013 11:16 SynC[gm] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 11:02 Jealous wrote:On January 18 2013 10:54 SynC[gm] wrote:
Oh yeah, I was extremely confused at that account when I was looking up Ladder 1x1. I'm assuming they're all his friends or something, because that's just ridiculous.
On that note, does anyone know how many points an E player would get if he beats an Olympic-ranked player on a Map of the week? Theoretically speaking, of course. No, there are people who legitimately join games vs. B-/C+ players when they are D because they either can't join any other game or because they just don't care or because they actually want to play vs a gosu for reps. However, me and some of the stronger RSL players are hatching a plan to smurf the FUCK out of him so he loses everything. He loses 150 points to D players, so... xD To answer your question, I think each rank higher is +25%. Like, D beating D+ on non-motw is 125%. So what we have to do is do 100 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.25 ... x 1.30 E D- D D+ C- C C+ B- B B+ A- A A+ O that is 14 ranks so 13 intervals in between, so... 100 x 1.25^13 = 100 x 18.18989403545856475830078125 = 1818.989403545856475830078125 1818.989403545856475830078125 x 1.30 = 2364.6862246096134185791015625 So 2365 points LOL. Could be like 1-30 D+ ahahahahaha Yeah, but there are multiple cases where they re, sometimes more than 5 times. And these guys just happened to all wanna play a C+/B- player multiple times just for the sake of reps? Man, and imagine the points lost by the Olympic-ranked player. If I remember correctly, I think you can lose up to 125 points, even if you lose to your own rank, when you get up to A- or so?
I'm pretty sure it's way more than that, but that could have been losses to lower ranked players that are confusing me. I think it's at LEAST 150 points for A+, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was like 200 for Olympic. If it were either of those, all you would have to do is multiply the above number by 1.5 or 2.0. In other words, if it's 200, then he would lose close to 5000 points, but you must also remember that the fall wouldn't be so great because the range of points at those ranks is greater.
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On January 18 2013 11:16 SynC[gm] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 11:02 Jealous wrote:On January 18 2013 10:54 SynC[gm] wrote:
Oh yeah, I was extremely confused at that account when I was looking up Ladder 1x1. I'm assuming they're all his friends or something, because that's just ridiculous.
On that note, does anyone know how many points an E player would get if he beats an Olympic-ranked player on a Map of the week? Theoretically speaking, of course. No, there are people who legitimately join games vs. B-/C+ players when they are D because they either can't join any other game or because they just don't care or because they actually want to play vs a gosu for reps. However, me and some of the stronger RSL players are hatching a plan to smurf the FUCK out of him so he loses everything. He loses 150 points to D players, so... xD To answer your question, I think each rank higher is +25%. Like, D beating D+ on non-motw is 125%. So what we have to do is do 100 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.25 ... x 1.30 E D- D D+ C- C C+ B- B B+ A- A A+ O that is 14 ranks so 13 intervals in between, so... 100 x 1.25^13 = 100 x 18.18989403545856475830078125 = 1818.989403545856475830078125 1818.989403545856475830078125 x 1.30 = 2364.6862246096134185791015625 So 2365 points LOL. Could be like 1-30 D+ ahahahahaha Yeah, but there are multiple cases where they re, sometimes more than 5 times. And these guys just happened to all wanna play a C+/B- player multiple times just for the sake of reps? Man, and imagine the points lost by the Olympic-ranked player. If I remember correctly, I think you can lose up to 125 points, even if you lose to your own rank, when you get up to A- or so?
Olympic is the same rank as A+ with a different icon.
You only lose a certain amount of points even vs D players, think the most ive seen lost is like 325 or something dumb.
People crying over Babo being 21-10 really need to just stop being such fucking maddies. I havent hit a yellow rank in 15 seasons(or been active) and i bet i could amass a record like that with no trouble, then the higher you get and closer to C- the rank will go down. since eventually you'll hti that wall of people you cant win, and stomping on low D+/high D players wont be happening anymore.
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On January 18 2013 11:23 arb wrote:
People crying over Babo being 21-10 really need to just stop being such fucking maddies. I havent hit a yellow rank in 15 seasons(or been active) and i bet i could amass a record like that with no trouble, then the higher you get and closer to C- the rank will go down. since eventually you'll hti that wall of people you cant win, and stomping on low D+/high D players wont be happening anymore.
I havn t understood a word of what you said. Could you explain more what you mean please?
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On January 18 2013 11:29 pebble444 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 11:23 arb wrote:
People crying over Babo being 21-10 really need to just stop being such fucking maddies. I havent hit a yellow rank in 15 seasons(or been active) and i bet i could amass a record like that with no trouble, then the higher you get and closer to C- the rank will go down. since eventually you'll hti that wall of people you cant win, and stomping on low D+/high D players wont be happening anymore.
I havn t understood a word of what you said. Could you explain more what you mean please?
That the higher in rank you get, the harder to win it is gonna be. You can easily not play motw and get to C- with 20-0 vs same rank players. However, your records going to get worse the more people better than you you play(i.e c- or high high d+ players)
Even a mid rank D+ player could get a really good record by picking his opponents correctly(i.e low winrate D+ players) and it gets even easier to get C-(thus making yourself LOOK GOOD) by beating people way worse than you.
Looking back that post i made doesnt make alot of sense, but i think that should help a bit.
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On January 18 2013 11:02 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 10:54 SynC[gm] wrote:
Oh yeah, I was extremely confused at that account when I was looking up Ladder 1x1. I'm assuming they're all his friends or something, because that's just ridiculous.
On that note, does anyone know how many points an E player would get if he beats an Olympic-ranked player on a Map of the week? Theoretically speaking, of course. No, there are people who legitimately join games vs. B-/C+ players when they are D because they either can't join any other game or because they just don't care or because they actually want to play vs a gosu for reps. However, me and some of the stronger RSL players are hatching a plan to smurf the FUCK out of him so he loses everything. He loses 150 points to D players, so... xD To answer your question, I think each rank higher is +25%. Like, D beating D+ on non-motw is 125%. So what we have to do is do 100 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.25 ... x 1.30 E D- D D+ C- C C+ B- B B+ A- A A+ O that is 14 ranks so 13 intervals in between, so... 100 x 1.25^13 = 100 x 18.18989403545856475830078125 = 1818.989403545856475830078125 1818.989403545856475830078125 x 1.30 = 2364.6862246096134185791015625 So 2365 points LOL. Could be like 1-30 D+ ahahahahaha
For what it's worth, all ranks of the same letter are treated the same with regards to points. So a D+, D, or D- player will all gain the same amount of points when playing another player.
The maximum amount of points you can gain in a single match is 200 (260 on MOTW).
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On January 18 2013 11:33 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 11:29 pebble444 wrote:On January 18 2013 11:23 arb wrote:
People crying over Babo being 21-10 really need to just stop being such fucking maddies. I havent hit a yellow rank in 15 seasons(or been active) and i bet i could amass a record like that with no trouble, then the higher you get and closer to C- the rank will go down. since eventually you'll hti that wall of people you cant win, and stomping on low D+/high D players wont be happening anymore.
I havn t understood a word of what you said. Could you explain more what you mean please? That the higher in rank you get, the harder to win it is gonna be. You can easily not play motw and get to C- with 20-0 vs same rank players. However, your records going to get worse the more people better than you you play(i.e c- or high high d+ players) Even a mid rank D+ player could get a really good record by picking his opponents correctly(i.e low winrate D+ players) and it gets even easier to get C-(thus making yourself LOOK GOOD) by beating people way worse than you. Looking back that post i made doesnt make alot of sense, but i think that should help a bit.
This is largely true, and I do agree people "whine" about this way to much.
However, the reason that things like 25-4 almost always indicate higher than C- rank is because you don't play just D/D+ guys on the way up. Due to ICCup nature + smurfs most people by the time they hit C- have played a few blue ranks, a decent number of yellow ranks, and a decent number of D ranks.
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While it's nice to have people defending me, I wasn't the one in question here guys, just sayin' haha xD
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I'm also like the weakest player on Courage, so IMO random guy should complain about everyone else on my team before me
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So for confirmation, is it 14:00 EST or 15:00 EST? The table in the first page says 14:00 EST, but below that, the schedule says 15:00 EST for me. (Well, actually, it says 2:00 p.m. CST, but that's the same as 15:00 EST)
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