It hasn't been an issue in the past but I want to be abundantly clear. If you have been C-/C/B/A++ at any point do NOT post your max rank as D+ xxxx pts. This applies to any account. If you've been 5000 pts on one account, but only 2700 on another your max rank must be posted as 5000.
Failure to read and follow this properly will result in a permanant ban from ALL future D Ranks events.
For the group stages of the tournament postponements will not be allowed. Failure to show will result in walk-over for opponent . For the RO16 and after postponements will be allowed.
All players must play with their former iccup account.
Race pickers are allowed, but they must choose one matchup for each race (i.e. v , v , v ) before the start of the tournament. Random is NOT allowed.
If a player disconnects during the first 3 minutes of a game he will be granted a re-match. Any problems arising will be revised case-by-case.
Observers are allowed, given both players agree. Also hosts for people having problems creating games.
If you don' t want your game to be casted you must say so in advance. Otherwise you agree to have your game/s casted and your replays being made public. (apart from the replays you send in to registrer, those are used for admitting you in the tournament only)
Standard other Iccup rules (i.e. Anti-hack must be on, lantecy changer must be on, maps must come from latest version)
Winner of any games sends replay(s) to drits5@yahoo.com
Any questions, doubts, remarks please send to drits5@yahoo.com or post in thread.
I would put a link here, but it seems that the account I reached C- was on was deleted... Anyways, I believe I went 24-11 or 25-10 and had 3500 or so points, but that was during season 11, and soon thereafter, I stopped playing because of school, and now that I'm a senior in high school and have more time on my hands, I started playing the game again. And in the current teamleagues, I went 9-4, showing that my C- doesn't equate to me being invincible in a D-rank league.
I'd like to sign up if my old max rank is determined to be relatively irrelevant and my skill is not deemed to be too high for the tournament. Otherwise, it's cool, I understand ^^ thank you!
Iccup: sGs.Gorg Race: race picker: PvZ, PvP, TvT Max rank: D+ edit; Btw if i face a Terran whos PvT'ing - can we make it into RvR ? any rules about what happens in that situation?
On January 07 2013 03:05 George_the_man wrote: Iccup: sGs.Gorg Race: race picker: PvZ, PvP, TvT Max rank: D+ edit; Btw if i face a Terran whos PvT'ing - can we make it into RvR ? any rules about what happens in that situation?
Hmm, I'll have to think about this. I can't really force the other player to play a different race than what he is used to playing. More than likely you would have to play one of your opponents MUs that he plays, but I'll talk it over and let you know for sure.
On January 07 2013 01:50 Zergneedsfood wrote: Link to wind and cloud brings us to Indian Lament 2.
Thanks. Fixed
Also, is there suppose to be a space between "todrits5@yahoo.com" ?
Yes, there was. It is now fixed.
On January 07 2013 02:24 Jealous wrote: Iccup: sGs.BaBo Race: Max rank: C (now high D+)
I'd like to sign up if my old max rank is determined to be relatively irrelevant and my skill is not deemed to be too high for the tournament. Otherwise, it's cool, I understand ^^ thank you!
You've been a staple of this league for a while. I'll allow it.
On January 06 2013 22:24 t0ssboy wrote: Sing me up,if im allowed to play. Iccup nickname:TheMarine[BG] race: Protoss Max rank:C- (3184)
Thank you for being honest. As a player in DRAKL you will be allowed to participate in this tour.
Normally, if you wanna get better at a matchup with a certain race, you'd wanna play the matchup more and more, instead of avoiding the matchup as if it doesn't exist...
Just my opinion on race-picking-but-with-different-matchups.
Thats a cool story bro , what if i want to get better at T to switch to it in the future? Or im just simply finding one MU boring .. i could play that but if i can choose - why not ? its for fun And i didnt bring this subject to ask for everyone's opinion - just to get information what to do when it happens - cause there can be also 2 Terrans meeting each other with PvT instaed of TvT - then one of them has to give up on his main - so the other has big advantage , some rules should be make for that imo
On January 07 2013 07:56 George_the_man wrote: Thats a cool story bro , what if i want to get better at T to switch to it in the future? Or im just simply finding one MU boring .. i could play that but if i can choose - why not ? its for fun And i didnt bring this subject to ask for everyone's opinion - just to get information what to do when it happens - cause there can be also 2 Terrans meeting each other with PvT instaed of TvT - then one of them has to give up on his main - so the other has big advantage , some rules should be make for that imo
On January 07 2013 07:56 George_the_man wrote: Thats a cool story bro , what if i want to get better at T to switch to it in the future? Or im just simply finding one MU boring .. i could play that but if i can choose - why not ? its for fun And i didnt bring this subject to ask for everyone's opinion - just to get information what to do when it happens - cause there can be also 2 Terrans meeting each other with PvT instaed of TvT - then one of them has to give up on his main - so the other has big advantage , some rules should be make for that imo
On January 07 2013 09:21 pebble444 wrote: Question What are maps for Group stages?
Are they Othello Neo Aztec jade? or is that mistake
Oh, god no. That was a mistake. Updated to reflect the correct situation.
Cause there can be also 2 Terrans meeting each other with PvT instaed of TvT
Not sure what your trying to say. If I'm understanding right you're saying you've got players that play v , v , and v ? If this is the case their is absolutely nothing to suggest that a terran's TvP is likely to better than his PvT or vice versa.
The issue in your case is that your race configuration is not set up to accommodate someone who TvP's. At the same time his PvTing doesn't accommodate your TvT configuration as well, but given what most people play PvT in lieu of TvT is a pretty common choice, whereas TvTing is quite rare.
BaBo's suggestion is decent as well. I'll have to think on it, but be aware there is a possibility you would need to PvT or ZvT.
On January 07 2013 07:56 George_the_man wrote: Thats a cool story bro , what if i want to get better at T to switch to it in the future? Or im just simply finding one MU boring .. i could play that but if i can choose - why not ? its for fun And i didnt bring this subject to ask for everyone's opinion - just to get information what to do when it happens - cause there can be also 2 Terrans meeting each other with PvT instaed of TvT - then one of them has to give up on his main - so the other has big advantage , some rules should be make for that imo
If you want to switch to T, then why not play every matchup as just T instead of playing with PvT or what have you. Finding a matchup boring is sort of weird, TvT is considered boring but I still enjoy it, and so do many others actually, that I've asked about.
It's one thing to not WANNA play it, but to solely get the natural advantage a matchup poses is sort of in lines with not really playing by moral rights, but I guess since we're all playing for fun, let's just try that all out the window, eh?
Oh, and before you talk about how I'm aiming to make the league for serious gamers and all, I'm not, but even for those who like to play in leagues to have the feel of playing for a reason/team, isn't the common goal to get better? So why hinder yourself and not play in a way that'll probably be more beneficial than anything? Not saying people should be banned for race picking with different matchups, or that they're bad people, I'm just saying it's not exactly good on them to do it, but if you want, more power to you.
It's one thing to not WANNA play it, but to solely get the natural advantage a matchup poses is sort of in lines with not really playing by moral rights, but I guess since we're all playing for fun, let's just try that all out the window, eh?
I was under the impression that ultimately race picking is unwise, at least for TOP level, as eventually the difficulties of coordinating the different mechanics and play styles of different races catches up to you.
It's one thing to not WANNA play it, but to solely get the natural advantage a matchup poses is sort of in lines with not really playing by moral rights, but I guess since we're all playing for fun, let's just try that all out the window, eh?
I was under the impression that ultimately race picking is unwise, at least for TOP level, as eventually the difficulties of coordinating the different mechanics and play styles of different races catches up to you.
...Not saying people should be banned for race picking with different matchups, or that they're bad people, I'm just saying it's not exactly good on them to do it, but if you want, more power to you.
Ehmm in the situation i tried to show , lets say both Terrans prefers TvP over PvT (they are much better in that MU) - so one has to give up his main race - and in my situation theres no possible MU unless somoene agrees to play different one - my point is there should be some rules made before situation like that happens cause it might.
If its too complicated you can sign me as P , i dont mind
edit' Yes Sync it would be more beneficial if i played one race, it would also be much more beneficial if i practised 12 hours/day with koreans , but im not playing that game to get to some sickt lvl, to win i dunno whos top now - Killer? , just simply cause i enjoy it . And i also enjoy TvT much more than PvT so if theres a possibility to play it - why not?
On January 07 2013 10:19 George_the_man wrote: Ehmm in the situation i tried to show , lets say both Terrans prefers TvP over PvT (they are much better in that MU) - so one has to give up his main race - and in my situation theres no possible MU unless somoene agrees to play different one - my point is there should be some rules made before situation like that happens cause it might.
If its too complicated you can sign me as P , i dont mind
edit' Yes Sync it would be more beneficial if i played one race, it would also be much more beneficial if i practised 12 hours/day with koreans , but im not playing that game to get to some sickt lvl, to win i dunno whos top now - Killer? , just simply cause i enjoy it . And i also enjoy TvT much more than PvT so if theres a possibility to play it - why not?
Haha, well, with that attitude of wanting to get better, good luck with that. And just a heads up, my opinion wasn't directed at you originally, it was directed to Pebble, but I guess you fell under the same situation as him in terms of race picking with different matchups.
On January 07 2013 10:19 George_the_man wrote: Ehmm in the situation i tried to show , lets say both Terrans prefers TvP over PvT (they are much better in that MU) - so one has to give up his main race - and in my situation theres no possible MU unless somoene agrees to play different one - my point is there should be some rules made before situation like that happens cause it might.
If its too complicated you can sign me as P , i dont mind
edit' Yes Sync it would be more beneficial if i played one race, it would also be much more beneficial if i practised 12 hours/day with koreans , but im not playing that game to get to some sickt lvl, to win i dunno whos top now - Killer? , just simply cause i enjoy it . And i also enjoy TvT much more than PvT so if theres a possibility to play it - why not?
Haha, well, with that attitude of wanting to get better, good luck with that. And just a heads up, my opinion wasn't directed at you originally, it was directed to Pebble, but I guess you fell under the same situation as him in terms of race picking with different matchups.
Well, maybe ure too good for this league? Why dont u try , play more than 10 games a season and see if u can hit better rank than D+ im pretty sure u can hit C- and theres C rank league where u can benefit much more , no need to stuck with bad players with no ambition as i
On January 07 2013 10:19 George_the_man wrote: Ehmm in the situation i tried to show , lets say both Terrans prefers TvP over PvT (they are much better in that MU) - so one has to give up his main race - and in my situation theres no possible MU unless somoene agrees to play different one - my point is there should be some rules made before situation like that happens cause it might.
If its too complicated you can sign me as P , i dont mind
edit' Yes Sync it would be more beneficial if i played one race, it would also be much more beneficial if i practised 12 hours/day with koreans , but im not playing that game to get to some sickt lvl, to win i dunno whos top now - Killer? , just simply cause i enjoy it . And i also enjoy TvT much more than PvT so if theres a possibility to play it - why not?
Haha, well, with that attitude of wanting to get better, good luck with that. And just a heads up, my opinion wasn't directed at you originally, it was directed to Pebble, but I guess you fell under the same situation as him in terms of race picking with different matchups.
On January 07 2013 10:54 George_the_man wrote: Well, maybe ure too good for this league? Why dont u try , play more than 10 games a season and see if u can hit better rank than D+ im pretty sure u can hit C- and theres C rank league where u can benefit much more , no need to stuck with bad players with no ambition as i
Who are you referring to...you didn't quote anyone so I can't look into who you are talking about.
On January 07 2013 10:19 George_the_man wrote: Ehmm in the situation i tried to show , lets say both Terrans prefers TvP over PvT (they are much better in that MU) - so one has to give up his main race - and in my situation theres no possible MU unless somoene agrees to play different one - my point is there should be some rules made before situation like that happens cause it might.
If its too complicated you can sign me as P , i dont mind
edit' Yes Sync it would be more beneficial if i played one race, it would also be much more beneficial if i practised 12 hours/day with koreans , but im not playing that game to get to some sickt lvl, to win i dunno whos top now - Killer? , just simply cause i enjoy it . And i also enjoy TvT much more than PvT so if theres a possibility to play it - why not?
Haha, well, with that attitude of wanting to get better, good luck with that. And just a heads up, my opinion wasn't directed at you originally, it was directed to Pebble, but I guess you fell under the same situation as him in terms of race picking with different matchups.
There is a reason why i play those specific matchups. I don t see how playing specific MU like mine gives an advantage. Hardly can see how your post is related to me. And even if, I find it not only "morally correct" but even logical. Is one supposed to play MU that put him in disadvantage?
George the man raises a good point. I never though about that, and there should be a rule. In the case of me vs Geroge the man, it doesn t matter what MU we play cause i can t win T_T . But there should be a rule anyway.
On January 07 2013 10:19 George_the_man wrote: Ehmm in the situation i tried to show , lets say both Terrans prefers TvP over PvT (they are much better in that MU) - so one has to give up his main race - and in my situation theres no possible MU unless somoene agrees to play different one - my point is there should be some rules made before situation like that happens cause it might.
If its too complicated you can sign me as P , i dont mind
edit' Yes Sync it would be more beneficial if i played one race, it would also be much more beneficial if i practised 12 hours/day with koreans , but im not playing that game to get to some sickt lvl, to win i dunno whos top now - Killer? , just simply cause i enjoy it . And i also enjoy TvT much more than PvT so if theres a possibility to play it - why not?
Haha, well, with that attitude of wanting to get better, good luck with that. And just a heads up, my opinion wasn't directed at you originally, it was directed to Pebble, but I guess you fell under the same situation as him in terms of race picking with different matchups.
Who asked you?
Nobody, but at the same time, who asked you too, right? :D
On January 08 2013 00:14 Kalk wrote: Two C/C- players already in this tournament and maybe more to come? Thats sad for all the d players like me who will get stomped
Iccup: sgs.Kalk race: Zerg Rank: max. d+
It's been discussed at length in other threads that there are multiple factors at play that do not invalidate all players who have a higher max than D+. I will attempt to summarize them here so that in the future people can just refer to this post. Although obviously my position on this is biased (being one of the players in question), I feel that because I have had to deal with this issue so frequently over the past 1+ years, I can give a decent summary:
D+ players who have hit C- only need a ~30% winrate on MotW and only slightly more on non-MotW against other D+ players. The real difficulty is holding the C- rank and winning against other C- players - which is where most players who have a max of low C- get pushed back into D+, because they now have to win ~43% of their games against stronger opponents in order to STAY C-. Hence the idea of "hitting C-" as opposed to "being C-". I think that most players here who sign up with a max of C- are players who have fall in the former category, as is testified by their performance in DR leagues.
The distinction therefore between a D+ player who has never hit C- and a D+ player who has is often simply a matter of games played. You have to be in the bottom 33% of all D+ players in order to have never hit C- if you play many games. However, I guesstimate/think that most players in this league (and on ICCup in general) have never played more than say ~50 games a season, therefore making it seem like they are more "true D+" than a player of equal skill who has played 100 games that season and hit C- once or twice during that time. If a player plays 10 games and hits D+ with a record of 8-2 or something, he is rarely persecuted, but if a different player then gets C- with 30-60, he is suddenly invalidated?
The low number of games played also means greater statistical insignificance of rank - you can get a good lucky handful of games against weak foreign players and hit C-, whereas a better player playing at Korean hours and not dodging Koreans will not.
A lot of these players that hit C- stop laddering after that point, therefore getting their low C- peak, which is actually just 1 win against D+ or even D that can send them into this zone. Effectively these players have proven that they are better than only ~30-35% of the D+ population.
sB.Birdie has stated numerous times that the ICCup rank system is very flawed and that this is part of that flaw. The main reason is because this ranking system is not an Elo ranking system, which would be much more accurate in representing skill level than the current blanket system of ranks.
Players such as myself and mg.arb who have hit higher ranks (C) a decent amount of time ago are not currently C level in skill. The fact that there are fewer people, most of which are more dedicated on average than before the advent of SC2, on ladder, makes our skill level approximately D+ now because D+ is harder to get out of imo. Also we have factors like injury and inactivity which have made our skills deteriorate. My most recent "active" season results were 28-26 D+ from last season and 89-166 D+ a year ago, for example. This is not a sufficient justification, hence why replays were requested for many other DR tournaments, either universally or from players specifically. After that, the administration made a decision on whether or not they deem our skill level fit for the tournament.
There is also the matter of performance - although I might have the highest max rank in this tournament, I also went 4-4 in DRAKTL and lost to players who have listed themselves as D here. Clearly, I feel the skill gap is much smaller than the max rank tells - especially if you consider unique player weaknesses, like certain MUs or strats.
Finally, there are different ways of hitting C-. Even though I might be able to hit C- or maybe even higher if I only play PvT the entire way though, that is not the nature of ladder xP. I'm sure there are other players here who could hit C- if they did 6 pool cheese, I know I did once - I got to C- with a bit under 50% winrate with JUST 6 pool cheese in a matter of 2-3 days of light laddering (for the record this was the season after I got C and the only 3 days I laddered because I wanted to stay in my clan after getting banned for inactivity lol). After a few games your ling micro improves and it becomes easier lol. But would you say that my Z skill level was C-? It's actually more like D- haha xD
I don't really want to argue because I don't really have anything else to add, and these are just logical musings - the final say lies with the administrator, and in some cases the population (as with chrisolo's polls for DRAKTL). There is really no point in arguing about it if the administrator has chosen to either make the cut at D+ and never higher or D+ and has hit higher. The holiday ICCup tour is one case where there was a distinct limit of "NEVER above D+", and there were smurfs even in that ( bm)burbon is c-/c iirc), and they STILL didn't win. It's just a very messy situation overall, but my main point is the following:
On January 08 2013 00:14 Kalk wrote: Two C/C- players already in this tournament and maybe more to come? Thats sad for all the d players like me who will get stomped
Iccup: sgs.Kalk race: Zerg Rank: max. d+
There are ZERO C players in the tour. There are three approved players who have "touched C-". These are both players that if they played alot of games and happen to get a hotstreak or a lucky streak of easier players might just hit C- before falling back down.
Moreover, they have been a staple of D Ranks Leagues for a long time, and only through practice have gotten to that point. This to me is much different that some random C- guy who comes and join the league out of nowhere.
On top of that, stronger competition raises the bar, so if you're worried about getting stomped..get out their and practice it up!!
I agree with Jealous above almost every D+ player with a 50% can hit C- with a 30-ish % winrate playing against really really low players. Even a D skilled player can mass game against Ds and reach C- , but it doesn't mean he can EVER take a game of of a legit C- player with a 50% winrate against other C-' s
On January 08 2013 01:24 GlC.HeRBY wrote: heyo sign me up please.
ICCup: Chiodip Race: protoss Rank: D+ around 2800
Don't bullshit me. I've had two people already tell me other account names of yours. They make sense to because one of them is SJ.Herby...which coincides neatly with your user ID.
It hasn't been an issue in the past but I want to be abundantly clear. If you have been C-/C/B/A++ at any point do NOT post your max rank as D+ xxxx pts. This applies to any account. If you've been 5000 pts on one account, but only 2700 on another your max rank must be posted as 5000.
Failure to read and follow this properly will result in a permanant ban from ALL future D Ranks events.
There are ZERO C players in the tour. There are three approved players who have "touched C-". These are both players that if they played alot of games and happen to get a hotstreak or a lucky streak of easier players might just hit C- before falling back down.
Moreover, they have been a staple of D Ranks Leagues for a long time, and only through practice have gotten to that point. This to me is much different that some random C- guy who comes and join the league out of nowhere.
On top of that, stronger competition raises the bar, so if you're worried about getting stomped..get out their and practice it up!!
On January 08 2013 00:14 Kalk wrote: Two C/C- players already in this tournament and maybe more to come? Thats sad for all the d players like me who will get stomped
It's been discussed at length in other threads that there are multiple factors at play that do not invalidate all players who have a higher max than D+. I will attempt to summarize them here so that in the future people can just refer to this post. Although obviously my position on this is biased (being one of the players in question), I feel that because I have had to deal with this issue so frequently over the past 1+ years, I can give a decent summary:
D+ players who have hit C- only need a ~30% winrate on MotW and only slightly more on non-MotW against other D+ players. The real difficulty is holding the C- rank and winning against other C- players - which is where most players who have a max of low C- get pushed back into D+, because they now have to win ~43% of their games against stronger opponents in order to STAY C-. Hence the idea of "hitting C-" as opposed to "being C-". I think that most players here who sign up with a max of C- are players who have fall in the former category, as is testified by their performance in DR leagues.
The distinction therefore between a D+ player who has never hit C- and a D+ player who has is often simply a matter of games played. You have to be in the bottom 33% of all D+ players in order to have never hit C- if you play many games. However, I guesstimate/think that most players in this league (and on ICCup in general) have never played more than say ~50 games a season, therefore making it seem like they are more "true D+" than a player of equal skill who has played 100 games that season and hit C- once or twice during that time. If a player plays 10 games and hits D+ with a record of 8-2 or something, he is rarely persecuted, but if a different player then gets C- with 30-60, he is suddenly invalidated?
The low number of games played also means greater statistical insignificance of rank - you can get a good lucky handful of games against weak foreign players and hit C-, whereas a better player playing at Korean hours and not dodging Koreans will not.
A lot of these players that hit C- stop laddering after that point, therefore getting their low C- peak, which is actually just 1 win against D+ or even D that can send them into this zone. Effectively these players have proven that they are better than only ~30-35% of the D+ population.
sB.Birdie has stated numerous times that the ICCup rank system is very flawed and that this is part of that flaw. The main reason is because this ranking system is not an Elo ranking system, which would be much more accurate in representing skill level than the current blanket system of ranks.
Players such as myself and mg.arb who have hit higher ranks (C) a decent amount of time ago are not currently C level in skill. The fact that there are fewer people, most of which are more dedicated on average than before the advent of SC2, on ladder, makes our skill level approximately D+ now because D+ is harder to get out of imo. Also we have factors like injury and inactivity which have made our skills deteriorate. My most recent "active" season results were 28-26 D+ from last season and 89-166 D+ a year ago, for example. This is not a sufficient justification, hence why replays were requested for many other DR tournaments, either universally or from players specifically. After that, the administration made a decision on whether or not they deem our skill level fit for the tournament.
There is also the matter of performance - although I might have the highest max rank in this tournament, I also went 4-4 in DRAKTL and lost to players who have listed themselves as D here. Clearly, I feel the skill gap is much smaller than the max rank tells - especially if you consider unique player weaknesses, like certain MUs or strats.
Finally, there are different ways of hitting C-. Even though I might be able to hit C- or maybe even higher if I only play PvT the entire way though, that is not the nature of ladder xP. I'm sure there are other players here who could hit C- if they did 6 pool cheese, I know I did once - I got to C- with a bit under 50% winrate with JUST 6 pool cheese in a matter of 2-3 days of light laddering (for the record this was the season after I got C and the only 3 days I laddered because I wanted to stay in my clan after getting banned for inactivity lol). After a few games your ling micro improves and it becomes easier lol. But would you say that my Z skill level was C-? It's actually more like D- haha xD
I don't really want to argue because I don't really have anything else to add, and these are just logical musings - the final say lies with the administrator, and in some cases the population (as with chrisolo's polls for DRAKTL). There is really no point in arguing about it if the administrator has chosen to either make the cut at D+ and never higher or D+ and has hit higher. The holiday ICCup tour is one case where there was a distinct limit of "NEVER above D+", and there were smurfs even in that ( bm)burbon is c-/c iirc), and they STILL didn't win. It's just a very messy situation overall, but my main point is the following:
On January 08 2013 17:58 Cpt.beefy wrote: how are the races split so far?
If we assume that the one poster that got called out on not being D+ can't actually participate, and that ZoW's application on his T account is legitimate and will be accepted, then:
On January 08 2013 11:51 arb wrote: Iccup : mG.arb Race : Terran Rank : Max C(4052 like 14 seasons ago) Current D+ish
if ic an sign up thats cool, if not thats cool
Speak of the devil ^^;
What'd i miss out on haha
I mentioned you in that big post explaining why C max players can play in DRIT.
Oh i missed that, thats a pretty true post tho. Mechanics and game sense may bet here but the overall gameplay isnt imo
In my case it's mechanics ain't there so even if I have the gamesense to know some shit is going down I can rarely keep up with macro/micro/AND build the right shit -_-;
EDIT: Although I will admit I never had mechanics in the first place LOL just serious abuse of the game, LMaster knows.
On January 08 2013 11:51 arb wrote: Iccup : mG.arb Race : Terran Rank : Max C(4052 like 14 seasons ago) Current D+ish
if ic an sign up thats cool, if not thats cool
Speak of the devil ^^;
What'd i miss out on haha
I mentioned you in that big post explaining why C max players can play in DRIT.
Oh i missed that, thats a pretty true post tho. Mechanics and game sense may bet here but the overall gameplay isnt imo
In my case it's mechanics ain't there so even if I have the gamesense to know some shit is going down I can rarely keep up with macro/micro/AND build the right shit -_-;
EDIT: Although I will admit I never had mechanics in the first place LOL just serious abuse of the game, LMaster knows.
Forcing yourself to adapt to the unrelenting allins of every race, my game sense actually got really really good from terran, to the point seeing 1-2 units or something off would tell me exactly what they were doing haha.
I'm with you on playing really abusive styles though, sounds like me to a degree
TL Name: SnowFantasy ICCup Akas: Arcania / Enjoy[mb] Highest Max Rank achieved on ANY account: C Race: Z
Notes: If I were to be allowed to play in this I would be offracing as Zerg (my weakest race). I have no clue what level my Zerg play is at but I would estimate it at high d+ or maybe low c-. If you guys don't want me to play I understand.
On January 09 2013 15:16 SnowFantasy wrote: TL Name: SnowFantasy ICCup Akas: Arcania / Enjoy[mb] Highest Max Rank achieved on ANY account: C Race: Z
Notes: If I were to be allowed to play in this I would be offracing as Zerg (my weakest race). I have no clue what level my Zerg play is at but I would estimate it at high d+ or maybe low c-. If you guys don't want me to play I understand.
Either way, gl hf~
I'm by no means an official in this matter but there has been a consistent tendency to not allow high-rank players to off-race, as evidenced earlier in this very thread. Good luck though! I personally think if there was a D- only tour I should be allowed in with my Z as well haha xD
Yeah. I briefly looked over the thread and saw some people that previously had a much higher max rank but are lower through activity and others that were laying right on the d+ / c- border so I figured meh, may as well give it a shot.
On January 09 2013 15:16 SnowFantasy wrote: TL Name: SnowFantasy ICCup Akas: Arcania / Enjoy[mb] Highest Max Rank achieved on ANY account: C Race: Z
Notes: If I were to be allowed to play in this I would be offracing as Zerg (my weakest race). I have no clue what level my Zerg play is at but I would estimate it at high d+ or maybe low c-. If you guys don't want me to play I understand.
Either way, gl hf~
I wish I could but the precedent is set firm from previous D Rank Tours/Leagues that players of higher ranks cannot offrace to play in these tours.
ehm yea L_master i was SJ.HeRbY because i m a friend of doty t.t. but the last 3/4 year im playing only with the ChioDip acc. i was also UED_ZeH and got like 4384830 other accounts. but i was inactive for over 2 years sooo this is my only account.
On January 09 2013 23:28 GlC.HeRBY wrote: ehm yea L_master i was SJ.HeRbY because i m a friend of doty t.t. but the last 3/4 year im playing only with the ChioDip acc. i was also UED_ZeH and got like 4384830 other accounts. but i was inactive for over 2 years sooo this is my only account.
Thanks for the explanation.
I went ahead and went through you're match list, unfortunately I'm still not going to be able to allow you play. Almost all of your losses come against players ranked C-/C in previous seasons. Very rarely have you lost against true D/D+ guys. On the win side you have plenty of wins against players ranked D+, and even C-. Winning over C- players at a 40-50% winrate indicates solid C-, which is not allowed in this league.
While I acknowledge that ICCup system is not good, taken in context with your history as a stronger player I'm afraid I can't allow you to play.
TL Name: Artanis[Xp] ICCup Aka: Artanis[Xp] Highest Max Rank achieved on ANY account: C (~4500, 59-59, 18 seasons/4.5 years ago) Race: ZvT, ZvP, PvZ Went 7-3 in the most recent DRATL. I think I'm around D+ level currently. I'd like to play if it's allowed. I'm happy to share all reps from it, don't think I played above a D+ level
On January 10 2013 23:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: TL Name: Artanis[Xp] ICCup Aka: Artanis[Xp] Highest Max Rank achieved on ANY account: C (~4500, 59-59, 18 seasons/4.5 years ago) Race: ZvT, ZvP, PvZ Went 7-3 in the most recent DRATL. I think I'm around D+ level currently. I'd like to play if it's allowed. I'm happy to share all reps from it, don't think I played above a D+ level
Yes i believe you are allowed. Still don t understand why you switch from Protoss to zerg do
On January 10 2013 23:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: TL Name: Artanis[Xp] ICCup Aka: Artanis[Xp] Highest Max Rank achieved on ANY account: C (~4500, 59-59, 18 seasons/4.5 years ago) Race: ZvT, ZvP, PvZ Went 7-3 in the most recent DRATL. I think I'm around D+ level currently. I'd like to play if it's allowed. I'm happy to share all reps from it, don't think I played above a D+ level
Yes i believe you are allowed. Still don t understand why you switch from Protoss to zerg do
Great . It's more fun to play. I love Zerg's solution to bad macro. I'm also considering going full zerg just in hopes of getting a ZvZ that goes to hive because that situation is awesome.
On January 10 2013 23:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: TL Name: Artanis[Xp] ICCup Aka: Artanis[Xp] Highest Max Rank achieved on ANY account: C (~4500, 59-59, 18 seasons/4.5 years ago) Race: ZvT, ZvP, PvZ Went 7-3 in the most recent DRATL. I think I'm around D+ level currently. I'd like to play if it's allowed. I'm happy to share all reps from it, don't think I played above a D+ level
Yes i believe you are allowed. Still don t understand why you switch from Protoss to zerg do
Great . It's more fun to play. I love Zerg's solution to bad macro. I'm also considering going full zerg just in hopes of getting a ZvZ that goes to hive because that situation is awesome.
Bear in mind i am not admin of This DRIT i just said (i believe) .
Yes Zerg can be fun on BGH 4v4, and 0su9su8su can be fun too, cracklings are pretty good and Defilers are interesting creatures. Still myself i would never trade all the Swarm arsenal against Storm. i Just love that storm
Heh, I just feel Protoss is far more strategically limited than Zerg. I like all the possibilities Zerg offers even though I still mess up a lot with them . Swarming someone over with masses of ling hydra, showing up with mutas in an unprepared mineral line or getting to ultras just in time to spend your 2k/2k and suddenly win easily are just some great moments.
but I still think that its not 100% fair. Anyways im not gonna whine about it too much. Lets just have some fun
Please read through the thread and see my post on the matter, I think that is the commonly accepted state of the situation for DR events of the past year.
On January 11 2013 06:50 Sinedd wrote: if its a D rank tournament then why would you allow C ranked players in it..
it just doesnt sound about right.. imo. But whatever ! it will still be awful lot of fun to play in this
This had always been the case.
Just look at DRATL. A few of your players, such as MoreAndMore, have been C- in previous seasons but are still allowed to play. The generally accepted rule has become that if a player hits C-, but doesn't hold it consistently then he is allowed to play.
Can't wait for this league, where are the groups?! :D
Edit: So I actually went over the entire thread, went through everybody that signed up, and saw that there were 34 people that signed up. How is that gonna work out with 8 groups? Or is it just a matter of first-come, first-serve?
On January 16 2013 13:52 SynC[gm] wrote: Can't wait for this league, where are the groups?! :D
Edit: So I actually went over the entire thread, went through everybody that signed up, and saw that there were 34 people that signed up. How is that gonna work out with 8 groups? Or is it just a matter of first-come, first-serve?
I would be expanded into a slightly bigger bracket if necessary, though no shows will occur as well.
On January 16 2013 14:05 Nagisama wrote: First come first serve, usually not everyone shows up anyways. Lmaster said groups come out latest Weds.
Oh, okay. By the way, if we were to include the first 32 people that signed up, 9heart and Artanis[Xp] would be the last two that signed up, and maybe they can act as replacement games for the people that don't show up?
On January 16 2013 14:05 Nagisama wrote: First come first serve, usually not everyone shows up anyways. Lmaster said groups come out latest Weds.
Oh, okay. By the way, if we were to include the first 32 people that signed up, 9heart and Artanis[Xp] would be the last two that signed up, and maybe they can act as replacement games for the people that don't show up?
A and F strike me as groups with two strong players in each. Kalk/CptElem aren't to the best of my knowledge "noted" as strong players. Arca/Nagisama....I don't know either of them too well but they aren't names that strike me as deadly, and I don't recall (sorry if I'm not giving credit) Nagisama having super strong results in DRATL.
Group E certainly strikes me as the "deepest" group as it has 4 strong players in it. RedAxis had very good results in DRATL, BaBo everyone knows about, and Massssssss is a winning record C- player. Obviously I'm confident in my own skill.
On January 17 2013 16:12 Sentenal wrote: Really? A and F look like by far the toughest groups to me. (well, as long as you pretend Elem doesn't exist in group F)
lol. Regarding my group, I predict MissClick will 2-0 ezpz and Mono, Pebble, and I are probably around the same skill level so should be interesting.
On January 17 2013 16:18 L_Master wrote: A and F strike me as groups with two strong players in each. Kalk/CptElem aren't to the best of my knowledge "noted" as strong players. Arca/Nagisama....I don't know either of them too well but they aren't names that strike me as deadly, and I don't recall (sorry if I'm not giving credit) Nagisama having super strong results in DRATL.
Group E certainly strikes me as the "deepest" group as it has 4 strong players in it. RedAxis had very good results in DRATL, BaBo everyone knows about, and Massssssss is a winning record C- player. Obviously I'm confident in my own skill.
Arca has had some deep runs in past DRITs, and at least in practice, Nagisama is every bit as good as I am. I don't mean to say that people in Group E aren't very good, but the top 3 people I fear most to play in this league are Ghrur (despite his results in DRATL, I think he is easily one of the best players in the league), Prophecy (best player in the league, peroid), and Shuruken (assuming he practices for this, maybe even better than Prophecy).
I'll vouch for Nagisama being a strong player. And Arca was a DRIT Finalist in a previous season. Group E would still be the most well-rounded contender for Group of Death, though.
On January 17 2013 18:56 Birdie wrote: Group B looks pretty stronk, group F too, and the crowd favourites of A and E look decent.
Unless FireflY is someone notable I don't recognize Group B can't be a group of death for me because it only has two strong players. You really need at least 3 deadly guys to have a group of death, with two both strong players should advance without trouble.
On January 17 2013 18:38 thezanursic wrote: Gonna sweep my group 3-0!
On January 17 2013 18:56 Birdie wrote: Group B looks pretty stronk, group F too, and the crowd favourites of A and E look decent.
Unless FireflY is someone notable I don't recognize Group B can't be a group of death for me because it only has two strong players. You really need at least 3 deadly guys to have a group of death, with two both strong players should advance without trouble.
Well the two strong players are stealth bunnies, of course I have to put my vote of confidence in them :3 but isn't 1a2a3a somewhat decent?
On January 17 2013 18:56 Birdie wrote: Group B looks pretty stronk, group F too, and the crowd favourites of A and E look decent.
Unless FireflY is someone notable I don't recognize Group B can't be a group of death for me because it only has two strong players. You really need at least 3 deadly guys to have a group of death, with two both strong players should advance without trouble.
Well the two strong players are stealth bunnies, of course I have to put my vote of confidence in them :3 but isn't 1a2a3a somewhat decent?
Unless he has been practicing alot recently he isn't too strong. I played him a couple weeks ago and he was probably low D level. I think his max is low D+.
I didnt followed nor played in any of the previous tourneys and i have zero idea of players skills, but im soo excited to be in competition for first time since 2003-04 yeeeeeeey!
On January 17 2013 21:30 t0ssboy wrote: Can we postpone group B for 1-2 Hours earlier,if not the whole groups,atleast the first match?
On January 06 2013 19:33 L_Master wrote: Rules:
For the group stages of the tournament postponements will not be allowed. Failure to show will result in walk-over for opponent . For the RO16 and after postponements will be allowed.
All players must play with their former iccup account.
Race pickers are allowed, but they must choose one matchup for each race (i.e. v , v , v ) before the start of the tournament. Random is NOT allowed.
If a player disconnects during the first 3 minutes of a game he will be granted a re-match. Any problems arising will be revised case-by-case.
Observers are allowed, given both players agree. Also hosts for people having problems creating games.
If you don' t want your game to be casted you must say so in advance. Otherwise you agree to have your game/s casted and your replays being made public. (apart from the replays you send in to registrer, those are used for admitting you in the tournament only)
Standard other Iccup rules (i.e. Anti-hack must be on, lantecy changer must be on, maps must come from latest version)
Winner of any games sends replay(s) to drits5@yahoo.com
On January 17 2013 22:37 t0ssboy wrote: ^ Im pretty sure,that a there were group PP's in last DRIT tours.
Maybe, if you can get the other 3 members in your group to agree to the postpone as well. However, they're not/shouldn't be obligated to agree to a postpone.
The problem with "Group of Death" in a D ranks league is that very often, players are simply not well-rounded, so a Protoss will think that Group X is the hardest and a Zerg will think it's Group Y.
From my experience, aeghrur is a monster in ZvP whereas I found Shuruken to be beatable, Arca(crema)'s standard PvP to be inferior to L_Master's, Nagisama's TvP to be like 1 letter rank lower than his TvZ. If you combine all the factors though, I still think Group E is the most difficult for a player to get out of:
1. Full race distribution (2 P, 1 T, 1 Z.) 2. Full vX diistribution (I like to think my vT is scary, L_Master's vZ looks better than mine at least and I'm sure RedAxis' is strong as well given his dominating record on ICCup and DRAKTL, Massssssss is C- so his vP must be on point, L_Master's is good, and mine won me a DRIT). 3. Overall skill level is 3 consistent D+-level players and a winning record C- player.
Long gone are the days when massssssss resorted to cheesing me two times in a row in DRIT and lost the series 0-3. My own PvZ is absolute ASS now and his skill seems to have increased greatly as well. I did lose our last encounter on ladder, but it was non-standard play on Destination, so I don't find it relevant. However, I still don't think I'll be able to beat him
Although I will admit I have not seen a lot of RedAxis games and I might be underestimating him in spite of his 90% or so winrate on ICCup and strong DRAKTL performance, I still feel that I can have confidence in L_Master to pull this one through, if not by purely greater skill then by the principle of P>T. Definitely the closest potential match in the group.
L_Master said he is scared of him, and apparently he lost their most recent encounter. That's two things you don't want to have going against you when facing a positive C- player. I'm going to go based on reputation here: though L_Master's PvZ is better than mine, I don't think he will win either.
I entered a hyperbolic time chamber where I played 5-10 games of PvT against a C+ Terran on LAN at least every other day for about 4-5 months. Towards the end of this period, I was winning 40-60% of my games. I don't think any T stands a chance against me. Again, I could end up eating my words because my form is subpar at the moment, but if there is one thing I am confident in it is my PvT, because it unfortunately came at the expense of all my other MUs.
It is with deep regret that I knock out the organizer and a great player. This is by no means a certainty; I have definitely lost to him before. However, our record leans in my favor, and L_Master seems to be puzzled by my playstyle. Even if he is aware of my sneaky tricks, I think I can still pull a fast one on him and take the game.
On January 18 2013 00:42 Jealous wrote: The problem with "Group of Death" in a D ranks league is that very often, players are simply not well-rounded, so a Protoss will think that Group X is the hardest and a Zerg will think it's Group Y.
From my experience, aeghrur is a monster in ZvP whereas I found Shuruken to be beatable, Arca(crema)'s standard PvP to be inferior to L_Master's, Nagisama's TvP to be like 1 letter rank lower than his TvZ. If you combine all the factors though, I still think Group E is the most difficult for a player to get out of:
1. Full race distribution (2 P, 1 T, 1 Z.) 2. Full vX diistribution (I like to think my vT is scary, L_Master's vZ looks better than mine at least and I'm sure RedAxis' is strong as well given his dominating record on ICCup and DRAKTL, Massssssss is C- so his vP must be on point, L_Master's is good, and mine won me a DRIT). 3. Overall skill level is 3 consistent D+-level players and a winning record C- player.
Long gone are the days when massssssss resorted to cheesing me two times in a row in DRIT and lost the series 0-3. My own PvZ is absolute ASS now and his skill seems to have increased greatly as well. I did lose our last encounter on ladder, but it was non-standard play on Destination, so I don't find it relevant. However, I still don't think I'll be able to beat him
Although I will admit I have not seen a lot of RedAxis games and I might be underestimating him in spite of his 90% or so winrate on ICCup and strong DRAKTL performance, I still feel that I can have confidence in L_Master to pull this one through, if not by purely greater skill then by the principle of P>T. Definitely the closest potential match in the group.
L_Master said he is scared of him, and apparently he lost their most recent encounter. That's two things you don't want to have going against you when facing a positive C- player. I'm going to go based on reputation here: though L_Master's PvZ is better than mine, I don't think he will win either.
I entered a hyperbolic time chamber where I played 5-10 games of PvT against a C+ Terran on LAN at least every other day for about 4-5 months. Towards the end of this period, I was winning 40-60% of my games. I don't think any T stands a chance against me. Again, I could end up eating my words because my form is subpar at the moment, but if there is one thing I am confident in it is my PvT, because it unfortunately came at the expense of all my other MUs.
It is with deep regret that I knock out the organizer and a great player. This is by no means a certainty; I have definitely lost to him before. However, our record leans in my favor, and L_Master seems to be puzzled by my playstyle. Even if he is aware of my sneaky tricks, I think I can still pull a fast one on him and take the game.
On January 18 2013 00:42 Jealous wrote: The problem with "Group of Death" in a D ranks league is that very often, players are simply not well-rounded, so a Protoss will think that Group X is the hardest and a Zerg will think it's Group Y.
From my experience, aeghrur is a monster in ZvP whereas I found Shuruken to be beatable, Arca(crema)'s standard PvP to be inferior to L_Master's, Nagisama's TvP to be like 1 letter rank lower than his TvZ. If you combine all the factors though, I still think Group E is the most difficult for a player to get out of:
1. Full race distribution (2 P, 1 T, 1 Z.) 2. Full vX diistribution (I like to think my vT is scary, L_Master's vZ looks better than mine at least and I'm sure RedAxis' is strong as well given his dominating record on ICCup and DRAKTL, Massssssss is C- so his vP must be on point, L_Master's is good, and mine won me a DRIT). 3. Overall skill level is 3 consistent D+-level players and a winning record C- player.
Long gone are the days when massssssss resorted to cheesing me two times in a row in DRIT and lost the series 0-3. My own PvZ is absolute ASS now and his skill seems to have increased greatly as well. I did lose our last encounter on ladder, but it was non-standard play on Destination, so I don't find it relevant. However, I still don't think I'll be able to beat him
Although I will admit I have not seen a lot of RedAxis games and I might be underestimating him in spite of his 90% or so winrate on ICCup and strong DRAKTL performance, I still feel that I can have confidence in L_Master to pull this one through, if not by purely greater skill then by the principle of P>T. Definitely the closest potential match in the group.
L_Master said he is scared of him, and apparently he lost their most recent encounter. That's two things you don't want to have going against you when facing a positive C- player. I'm going to go based on reputation here: though L_Master's PvZ is better than mine, I don't think he will win either.
I entered a hyperbolic time chamber where I played 5-10 games of PvT against a C+ Terran on LAN at least every other day for about 4-5 months. Towards the end of this period, I was winning 40-60% of my games. I don't think any T stands a chance against me. Again, I could end up eating my words because my form is subpar at the moment, but if there is one thing I am confident in it is my PvT, because it unfortunately came at the expense of all my other MUs.
It is with deep regret that I knock out the organizer and a great player. This is by no means a certainty; I have definitely lost to him before. However, our record leans in my favor, and L_Master seems to be puzzled by my playstyle. Even if he is aware of my sneaky tricks, I think I can still pull a fast one on him and take the game.
On January 17 2013 22:37 t0ssboy wrote: ^ Im pretty sure,that a there were group PP's in last DRIT tours.
Maybe, if you can get the other 3 members in your group to agree to the postpone as well. However, they're not/shouldn't be obligated to agree to a postpone.
Basically this. If everyone else agreed then I supposed it could be allowed.
On January 18 2013 08:24 Kalk wrote: Hi, is this the ICCUP profile of the Sentenal of my group? ICCUP Sentenal Shouldnt be it, but i cant find another one.
I am not complaining anymore, becaus it is useless. Just wanted to know who my opponent is. I wont play vs you anyway. I will lose my first zvz and you will walk trough 2-0. No problem for me. + Show Spoiler +
But just for my information, how is a 21-10 statistic touching c- and falling back, like Jealous described it?
On January 18 2013 08:39 Kalk wrote: I am not complaining anymore, becaus it is useless. Just wanted to know who my opponent is. I wont play vs you anyway. I will lose my first zvz and you will walk trough 2-0. No problem for me. + Show Spoiler +
But just for my information, how is a 21-10 statistic touching c- and falling back, like Jealous described it?
Because if you play enough games on 1 map, vs 1 race, with one specific build, you can reach C- easily.
On January 18 2013 08:39 Kalk wrote: I am not complaining anymore, becaus it is useless. Just wanted to know who my opponent is. I wont play vs you anyway. I will lose my first zvz and you will walk trough 2-0. No problem for me. + Show Spoiler +
But just for my information, how is a 21-10 statistic touching c- and falling back, like Jealous described it?
Because if you play enough games on 1 map, vs 1 race, with one specific build, you can reach C- easily.
He went 21-10 and ended up with 3063 points, only 63 points above the 3000 point limit. There's a pretty big overall skill between the average C- player to the average D+ player, and the fact that he didn't play any C- player doesn't show if he's really at the C- level.
Plus, despite being C-, he was shown to be beatable, losing twice in the most recent D-rank All-Kill Teamleagues.
He's also entered the last two D-rank Individual Tournaments, and has yet to win one.
If anything, the person you should be worrying about most in the group is Arca(Crema), who's made it to the finals in DRIT Season 2.
Individual tournaments with multiple sets are a lot different than games in Teamleague as well. You're going into the game, knowing if you lose, you're one step closer to being eliminated, which I'm pretty sure everyone wants to avoid. There's also mental factors that play into these games, so there's variables that play out, and you should use that to your advantage, instead of worrying about the ranking someone barely achieved a season before.
On January 18 2013 08:39 Kalk wrote: I am not complaining anymore, becaus it is useless. Just wanted to know who my opponent is. I wont play vs you anyway. I will lose my first zvz and you will walk trough 2-0. No problem for me. + Show Spoiler +
But just for my information, how is a 21-10 statistic touching c- and falling back, like Jealous described it?
21-10 is 66% winrate vs D/D+ players, which of course could potentially put him in the top tier of D+ players. People who present this sort of winrate, in my experience, rarely have above 50% winrate vs. C- players, in fact it is usually lower. However, the fact that he chose to stop at 3063 limits our ability to truly gauge his skill level, as he is unlikely to have played any games vs. C- players, which most likely WOULD push him into the category I described. Let's also look at other examples:
A. 2 seasons ago, I went 14-0 in the last 2 weeks of ladder, which would make people like you go "WOAH! He's way too good for this league." However, the next season, I earned 28-26 with a high D+. This is more consistent with what people would expect from a DR participant. But, the fact is that I went on an almost equally strong streak, getting to somewhere similar or maybe even better than Sentenal's 21-10. After that, playing against C- and other strong D+ players made me go ~7-16, resulting in a final W/L of 28-26, which is statistically a better representation of my performance due to a greater number of games played. Of course, there is no telling whether Sentenal would have kept climbing up, or if he would fall back down, but based on my experience I think it is far more likely for a player to fall back down.
B. Although many have noted Massssssss's C-, that was also 2 seasons ago, also with a winning record. If you look at his current record, it is something like 38-40 D+ (this is going from memory, ICCup is down right now). The same exact phenomenon - more games leads players to have a less dominant appearance, because a greater sample size allows for a greater accuracy.
Most importantly. you are forgetting the key point of my post: If the administration deems the skill level of an opponent to not be too great for the tournament (usually based on replays, past tournaments, etc.), then you have to take it on good faith that their skill is appropriate. What I suggest you do is instead of using past results that have no matchlist (and therefore no room to analyze whether he was stomping D- players or beating legitimate C-/D+ level players to achieve his rank), you can do the following:
Request that Sentenal present some 10+ minute replays, analyze them, and present a reasonable argument for why he shouldn't be in the league. This was done in prior tournaments.
Of course, I don't think Sentenal would be obligated to do so, but I also don't think he would say "no."
On January 18 2013 08:39 Kalk wrote: I am not complaining anymore, becaus it is useless. Just wanted to know who my opponent is. I wont play vs you anyway. I will lose my first zvz and you will walk trough 2-0. No problem for me. + Show Spoiler +
But just for my information, how is a 21-10 statistic touching c- and falling back, like Jealous described it?
21-10 is 66% winrate vs D/D+ players, which of course could potentially put him in the top tier of D+ players. People who present this sort of winrate, in my experience, rarely have above 50% winrate vs. C- players, in fact it is usually lower. However, the fact that he chose to stop at 3063 limits our ability to truly gauge his skill level, as he is unlikely to have played any games vs. C- players, which most likely WOULD push him into the category I described. Let's also look at other examples:
A. 2 seasons ago, I went 14-0 in the last 2 weeks of ladder, which would make people like you go "WOAH! He's way too good for this league." However, the next season, I earned 28-26 with a high D+. This is more consistent with what people would expect from a DR participant. But, the fact is that I went on an almost equally strong streak, getting to somewhere similar or maybe even better than Sentenal's 21-10. After that, playing against C- and other strong D+ players made me go ~7-16, resulting in a final W/L of 28-26, which is statistically a better representation of my performance due to a greater number of games played. Of course, there is no telling whether Sentenal would have kept climbing up, or if he would fall back down, but based on my experience I think it is far more likely for a player to fall back down.
B. Although many have noted Massssssss's C-, that was also 2 seasons ago, also with a winning record. If you look at his current record, it is something like 38-40 D+ (this is going from memory, ICCup is down right now). The same exact phenomenon - more games leads players to have a less dominant appearance, because a greater sample size allows for a greater accuracy.
Most importantly. you are forgetting the key point of my post: If the administration deems the skill level of an opponent to not be too great for the tournament (usually based on replays, past tournaments, etc.), then you have to take it on good faith that their skill is appropriate. What I suggest you do is instead of using past results that have no matchlist (and therefore no room to analyze whether he was stomping D- players or beating legitimate C-/D+ level players to achieve his rank), you can do the following:
Request that Sentenal present some 10+ minute replays, analyze them, and present a reasonable argument for why he shouldn't be in the league. This was done in prior tournaments.
Of course, I don't think Sentenal would be obligated to do so, but I also don't think he would say "no."
Also, Sentenal is cheesy as fuuuuuuuuck xD
This post also goes to show how imba BaBo is and how he should simply make no probes in his Group E games.
On January 18 2013 08:39 Kalk wrote: I am not complaining anymore, becaus it is useless. Just wanted to know who my opponent is. I wont play vs you anyway. I will lose my first zvz and you will walk trough 2-0. No problem for me. + Show Spoiler +
But just for my information, how is a 21-10 statistic touching c- and falling back, like Jealous described it?
21-10 is 66% winrate vs D/D+ players, which of course could potentially put him in the top tier of D+ players. People who present this sort of winrate, in my experience, rarely have above 50% winrate vs. C- players, in fact it is usually lower. However, the fact that he chose to stop at 3063 limits our ability to truly gauge his skill level, as he is unlikely to have played any games vs. C- players, which most likely WOULD push him into the category I described. Let's also look at other examples:
A. 2 seasons ago, I went 14-0 in the last 2 weeks of ladder, which would make people like you go "WOAH! He's way too good for this league." However, the next season, I earned 28-26 with a high D+. This is more consistent with what people would expect from a DR participant. But, the fact is that I went on an almost equally strong streak, getting to somewhere similar or maybe even better than Sentenal's 21-10. After that, playing against C- and other strong D+ players made me go ~7-16, resulting in a final W/L of 28-26, which is statistically a better representation of my performance due to a greater number of games played. Of course, there is no telling whether Sentenal would have kept climbing up, or if he would fall back down, but based on my experience I think it is far more likely for a player to fall back down.
B. Although many have noted Massssssss's C-, that was also 2 seasons ago, also with a winning record. If you look at his current record, it is something like 38-40 D+ (this is going from memory, ICCup is down right now). The same exact phenomenon - more games leads players to have a less dominant appearance, because a greater sample size allows for a greater accuracy.
Most importantly. you are forgetting the key point of my post: If the administration deems the skill level of an opponent to not be too great for the tournament (usually based on replays, past tournaments, etc.), then you have to take it on good faith that their skill is appropriate. What I suggest you do is instead of using past results that have no matchlist (and therefore no room to analyze whether he was stomping D- players or beating legitimate C-/D+ level players to achieve his rank), you can do the following:
Request that Sentenal present some 10+ minute replays, analyze them, and present a reasonable argument for why he shouldn't be in the league. This was done in prior tournaments.
Of course, I don't think Sentenal would be obligated to do so, but I also don't think he would say "no."
Also, Sentenal is cheesy as fuuuuuuuuck xD
This post also goes to show how imba BaBo is and how he should simply make no probes in his Group E games.
On January 18 2013 08:39 Kalk wrote: I am not complaining anymore, becaus it is useless. Just wanted to know who my opponent is. I wont play vs you anyway. I will lose my first zvz and you will walk trough 2-0. No problem for me. + Show Spoiler +
But just for my information, how is a 21-10 statistic touching c- and falling back, like Jealous described it?
21-10 is 66% winrate vs D/D+ players, which of course could potentially put him in the top tier of D+ players. People who present this sort of winrate, in my experience, rarely have above 50% winrate vs. C- players, in fact it is usually lower. However, the fact that he chose to stop at 3063 limits our ability to truly gauge his skill level, as he is unlikely to have played any games vs. C- players, which most likely WOULD push him into the category I described. Let's also look at other examples:
A. 2 seasons ago, I went 14-0 in the last 2 weeks of ladder, which would make people like you go "WOAH! He's way too good for this league." However, the next season, I earned 28-26 with a high D+. This is more consistent with what people would expect from a DR participant. But, the fact is that I went on an almost equally strong streak, getting to somewhere similar or maybe even better than Sentenal's 21-10. After that, playing against C- and other strong D+ players made me go ~7-16, resulting in a final W/L of 28-26, which is statistically a better representation of my performance due to a greater number of games played. Of course, there is no telling whether Sentenal would have kept climbing up, or if he would fall back down, but based on my experience I think it is far more likely for a player to fall back down.
B. Although many have noted Massssssss's C-, that was also 2 seasons ago, also with a winning record. If you look at his current record, it is something like 38-40 D+ (this is going from memory, ICCup is down right now). The same exact phenomenon - more games leads players to have a less dominant appearance, because a greater sample size allows for a greater accuracy.
Most importantly. you are forgetting the key point of my post: If the administration deems the skill level of an opponent to not be too great for the tournament (usually based on replays, past tournaments, etc.), then you have to take it on good faith that their skill is appropriate. What I suggest you do is instead of using past results that have no matchlist (and therefore no room to analyze whether he was stomping D- players or beating legitimate C-/D+ level players to achieve his rank), you can do the following:
Request that Sentenal present some 10+ minute replays, analyze them, and present a reasonable argument for why he shouldn't be in the league. This was done in prior tournaments.
Of course, I don't think Sentenal would be obligated to do so, but I also don't think he would say "no."
Also, Sentenal is cheesy as fuuuuuuuuck xD
This post also goes to show how imba BaBo is and how he should simply make no probes in his Group E games.
Oh yeah, I was extremely confused at that account when I was looking up Ladder 1x1. I'm assuming they're all his friends or something, because that's just ridiculous.
On that note, does anyone know how many points an E player would get if he beats an Olympic-ranked player on a Map of the week? Theoretically speaking, of course.
Lol, Babo, you are nuts, I don't want people to be even more prepared for me than they already are by watching even more replays, haha. I'm sure if that dude wants to, he can find 10+ replays of me that I've already played in these leagues.
On January 18 2013 10:54 SynC[gm] wrote: Oh yeah, I was extremely confused at that account when I was looking up Ladder 1x1. I'm assuming they're all his friends or something, because that's just ridiculous.
On that note, does anyone know how many points an E player would get if he beats an Olympic-ranked player on a Map of the week? Theoretically speaking, of course.
No, there are people who legitimately join games vs. B-/C+ players when they are D because they either can't join any other game or because they just don't care or because they actually want to play vs a gosu for reps.
However, me and some of the stronger RSL players are hatching a plan to smurf the FUCK out of him so he loses everything. He loses 150 points to D players, so... xD
To answer your question, I think each rank higher is +25%. Like, D beating D+ on non-motw is 125%. So what we have to do is do 100 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.25 ... x 1.30
E D- D D+ C- C C+ B- B B+ A- A A+ O that is 14 ranks so 13 intervals in between, so...
100 x 1.25^13 = 100 x 18.18989403545856475830078125 = 1818.989403545856475830078125
1818.989403545856475830078125 x 1.30 = 2364.6862246096134185791015625
On January 18 2013 08:39 Kalk wrote: I am not complaining anymore, becaus it is useless. Just wanted to know who my opponent is. I wont play vs you anyway. I will lose my first zvz and you will walk trough 2-0. No problem for me. + Show Spoiler +
But just for my information, how is a 21-10 statistic touching c- and falling back, like Jealous described it?
I've played him several times. He does play fairly cheesy/aggressive in PvP which tends to work well at these levels. He is good. However, he isn't like "holy shit wtf imba no way can I beat this guy" good. As BaBo said if he were that strong he would likely have won a DRIT by now.
On January 18 2013 10:54 SynC[gm] wrote: Oh yeah, I was extremely confused at that account when I was looking up Ladder 1x1. I'm assuming they're all his friends or something, because that's just ridiculous.
On that note, does anyone know how many points an E player would get if he beats an Olympic-ranked player on a Map of the week? Theoretically speaking, of course.
No, there are people who legitimately join games vs. B-/C+ players when they are D because they either can't join any other game or because they just don't care or because they actually want to play vs a gosu for reps.
However, me and some of the stronger RSL players are hatching a plan to smurf the FUCK out of him so he loses everything. He loses 150 points to D players, so... xD
To answer your question, I think each rank higher is +25%. Like, D beating D+ on non-motw is 125%. So what we have to do is do 100 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.25 ... x 1.30
E D- D D+ C- C C+ B- B B+ A- A A+ O that is 14 ranks so 13 intervals in between, so...
100 x 1.25^13 = 100 x 18.18989403545856475830078125 = 1818.989403545856475830078125
1818.989403545856475830078125 x 1.30 = 2364.6862246096134185791015625
So 2365 points LOL.
Could be like 1-30 D+ ahahahahaha
Yeah, but there are multiple cases where they re, sometimes more than 5 times. And these guys just happened to all wanna play a C+/B- player multiple times just for the sake of reps?
Man, and imagine the points lost by the Olympic-ranked player. If I remember correctly, I think you can lose up to 125 points, even if you lose to your own rank, when you get up to A- or so?
On January 18 2013 10:54 SynC[gm] wrote: Oh yeah, I was extremely confused at that account when I was looking up Ladder 1x1. I'm assuming they're all his friends or something, because that's just ridiculous.
On that note, does anyone know how many points an E player would get if he beats an Olympic-ranked player on a Map of the week? Theoretically speaking, of course.
No, there are people who legitimately join games vs. B-/C+ players when they are D because they either can't join any other game or because they just don't care or because they actually want to play vs a gosu for reps.
However, me and some of the stronger RSL players are hatching a plan to smurf the FUCK out of him so he loses everything. He loses 150 points to D players, so... xD
To answer your question, I think each rank higher is +25%. Like, D beating D+ on non-motw is 125%. So what we have to do is do 100 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.25 ... x 1.30
E D- D D+ C- C C+ B- B B+ A- A A+ O that is 14 ranks so 13 intervals in between, so...
100 x 1.25^13 = 100 x 18.18989403545856475830078125 = 1818.989403545856475830078125
1818.989403545856475830078125 x 1.30 = 2364.6862246096134185791015625
So 2365 points LOL.
Could be like 1-30 D+ ahahahahaha
Yeah, but there are multiple cases where they re, sometimes more than 5 times. And these guys just happened to all wanna play a C+/B- player multiple times just for the sake of reps?
Man, and imagine the points lost by the Olympic-ranked player. If I remember correctly, I think you can lose up to 125 points, even if you lose to your own rank, when you get up to A- or so?
I'm pretty sure it's way more than that, but that could have been losses to lower ranked players that are confusing me. I think it's at LEAST 150 points for A+, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was like 200 for Olympic. If it were either of those, all you would have to do is multiply the above number by 1.5 or 2.0. In other words, if it's 200, then he would lose close to 5000 points, but you must also remember that the fall wouldn't be so great because the range of points at those ranks is greater.
On January 18 2013 10:54 SynC[gm] wrote: Oh yeah, I was extremely confused at that account when I was looking up Ladder 1x1. I'm assuming they're all his friends or something, because that's just ridiculous.
On that note, does anyone know how many points an E player would get if he beats an Olympic-ranked player on a Map of the week? Theoretically speaking, of course.
No, there are people who legitimately join games vs. B-/C+ players when they are D because they either can't join any other game or because they just don't care or because they actually want to play vs a gosu for reps.
However, me and some of the stronger RSL players are hatching a plan to smurf the FUCK out of him so he loses everything. He loses 150 points to D players, so... xD
To answer your question, I think each rank higher is +25%. Like, D beating D+ on non-motw is 125%. So what we have to do is do 100 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.25 ... x 1.30
E D- D D+ C- C C+ B- B B+ A- A A+ O that is 14 ranks so 13 intervals in between, so...
100 x 1.25^13 = 100 x 18.18989403545856475830078125 = 1818.989403545856475830078125
1818.989403545856475830078125 x 1.30 = 2364.6862246096134185791015625
So 2365 points LOL.
Could be like 1-30 D+ ahahahahaha
Yeah, but there are multiple cases where they re, sometimes more than 5 times. And these guys just happened to all wanna play a C+/B- player multiple times just for the sake of reps?
Man, and imagine the points lost by the Olympic-ranked player. If I remember correctly, I think you can lose up to 125 points, even if you lose to your own rank, when you get up to A- or so?
Olympic is the same rank as A+ with a different icon. You only lose a certain amount of points even vs D players, think the most ive seen lost is like 325 or something dumb.
People crying over Babo being 21-10 really need to just stop being such fucking maddies. I havent hit a yellow rank in 15 seasons(or been active) and i bet i could amass a record like that with no trouble, then the higher you get and closer to C- the rank will go down. since eventually you'll hti that wall of people you cant win, and stomping on low D+/high D players wont be happening anymore.
On January 18 2013 11:23 arb wrote: People crying over Babo being 21-10 really need to just stop being such fucking maddies. I havent hit a yellow rank in 15 seasons(or been active) and i bet i could amass a record like that with no trouble, then the higher you get and closer to C- the rank will go down. since eventually you'll hti that wall of people you cant win, and stomping on low D+/high D players wont be happening anymore.
I havn t understood a word of what you said. Could you explain more what you mean please?
On January 18 2013 11:23 arb wrote: People crying over Babo being 21-10 really need to just stop being such fucking maddies. I havent hit a yellow rank in 15 seasons(or been active) and i bet i could amass a record like that with no trouble, then the higher you get and closer to C- the rank will go down. since eventually you'll hti that wall of people you cant win, and stomping on low D+/high D players wont be happening anymore.
I havn t understood a word of what you said. Could you explain more what you mean please?
That the higher in rank you get, the harder to win it is gonna be. You can easily not play motw and get to C- with 20-0 vs same rank players. However, your records going to get worse the more people better than you you play(i.e c- or high high d+ players)
Even a mid rank D+ player could get a really good record by picking his opponents correctly(i.e low winrate D+ players) and it gets even easier to get C-(thus making yourself LOOK GOOD) by beating people way worse than you.
Looking back that post i made doesnt make alot of sense, but i think that should help a bit.
On January 18 2013 10:54 SynC[gm] wrote: Oh yeah, I was extremely confused at that account when I was looking up Ladder 1x1. I'm assuming they're all his friends or something, because that's just ridiculous.
On that note, does anyone know how many points an E player would get if he beats an Olympic-ranked player on a Map of the week? Theoretically speaking, of course.
No, there are people who legitimately join games vs. B-/C+ players when they are D because they either can't join any other game or because they just don't care or because they actually want to play vs a gosu for reps.
However, me and some of the stronger RSL players are hatching a plan to smurf the FUCK out of him so he loses everything. He loses 150 points to D players, so... xD
To answer your question, I think each rank higher is +25%. Like, D beating D+ on non-motw is 125%. So what we have to do is do 100 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.25 ... x 1.30
E D- D D+ C- C C+ B- B B+ A- A A+ O that is 14 ranks so 13 intervals in between, so...
100 x 1.25^13 = 100 x 18.18989403545856475830078125 = 1818.989403545856475830078125
1818.989403545856475830078125 x 1.30 = 2364.6862246096134185791015625
So 2365 points LOL.
Could be like 1-30 D+ ahahahahaha
For what it's worth, all ranks of the same letter are treated the same with regards to points. So a D+, D, or D- player will all gain the same amount of points when playing another player.
The maximum amount of points you can gain in a single match is 200 (260 on MOTW).
On January 18 2013 11:23 arb wrote: People crying over Babo being 21-10 really need to just stop being such fucking maddies. I havent hit a yellow rank in 15 seasons(or been active) and i bet i could amass a record like that with no trouble, then the higher you get and closer to C- the rank will go down. since eventually you'll hti that wall of people you cant win, and stomping on low D+/high D players wont be happening anymore.
I havn t understood a word of what you said. Could you explain more what you mean please?
That the higher in rank you get, the harder to win it is gonna be. You can easily not play motw and get to C- with 20-0 vs same rank players. However, your records going to get worse the more people better than you you play(i.e c- or high high d+ players)
Even a mid rank D+ player could get a really good record by picking his opponents correctly(i.e low winrate D+ players) and it gets even easier to get C-(thus making yourself LOOK GOOD) by beating people way worse than you.
Looking back that post i made doesnt make alot of sense, but i think that should help a bit.
This is largely true, and I do agree people "whine" about this way to much.
However, the reason that things like 25-4 almost always indicate higher than C- rank is because you don't play just D/D+ guys on the way up. Due to ICCup nature + smurfs most people by the time they hit C- have played a few blue ranks, a decent number of yellow ranks, and a decent number of D ranks.
So for confirmation, is it 14:00 EST or 15:00 EST? The table in the first page says 14:00 EST, but below that, the schedule says 15:00 EST for me. (Well, actually, it says 2:00 p.m. CST, but that's the same as 15:00 EST)
On January 18 2013 15:36 SynC[gm] wrote: So for confirmation, is it 14:00 EST or 15:00 EST? The table in the first page says 14:00 EST, but below that, the schedule says 15:00 EST for me. (Well, actually, it says 2:00 p.m. CST, but that's the same as 15:00 EST)
Should be 14 EST. Table and schedule below saying the same for me, which is 14 EST for you.
On January 18 2013 15:36 SynC[gm] wrote: So for confirmation, is it 14:00 EST or 15:00 EST? The table in the first page says 14:00 EST, but below that, the schedule says 15:00 EST for me. (Well, actually, it says 2:00 p.m. CST, but that's the same as 15:00 EST)
Should be 14 EST. Table and schedule below saying the same for me, which is 14 EST for you.
Its probably the timecode messing up with daylight savings time again. My timezone is configured correctly, and the picture shows 2pm EST (14:00), and the post shows 3pm EST (15:00). Needs to be fixed/clarified.
Looks like the post is set to "13:00 MST", which is 15:00 EST, so yeah, there is definitely an error somewhere.
This is largely true, and I do agree people "whine" about this way to much.
Dont call it a d/d+ tournament and there is no reason to "whine". Just call it the DRTL-family individual tournament. You want to play vs your beloved people from this league and in fact nobody of you cares about the real rank.
This is largely true, and I do agree people "whine" about this way to much.
Dont call it a d/d+ tournament and there is no reason to "whine". Just call it the DRTL-family individual tournament. You want to play vs your beloved people from this league and in fact nobody of you cares about the real rank.
stop being mad that you couldn't get out of d or d+ with hard work ethics.
like stated, many people allowed in this league who are C- have proven time and time again to be red rankers. the reason they hit c- is because of hard work and dedication. besides, for the millionth fucking time, hitting c- is not that hard playing motw....even with a ~33% losing record you can still hit c- just playing motw...
This is largely true, and I do agree people "whine" about this way to much.
Dont call it a d/d+ tournament and there is no reason to "whine". Just call it the DRTL-family individual tournament. You want to play vs your beloved people from this league and in fact nobody of you cares about the real rank.
Is it so hard for you to accept that top D+ players can graze C- at times?
This is largely true, and I do agree people "whine" about this way to much.
Dont call it a d/d+ tournament and there is no reason to "whine". Just call it the DRTL-family individual tournament. You want to play vs your beloved people from this league and in fact nobody of you cares about the real rank.
Is it so hard for you to accept that top D+ players can graze C- at times?
Truth, I think people are blowing things out of proportion regarding C- ranks.
Really, hitting C- is not as hard as you think if you were to strictly play MOTW. Also, hitting C- =/= you are C- (playing consistently at these ranks = C-)
This is largely true, and I do agree people "whine" about this way to much.
Dont call it a d/d+ tournament and there is no reason to "whine". Just call it the DRTL-family individual tournament. You want to play vs your beloved people from this league and in fact nobody of you cares about the real rank.
Is it so hard for you to accept that top D+ players can graze C- at times?
Yes it is. They arent top d+ players if they hit c-. They are bottom c- players. It isnt that hard.
This is largely true, and I do agree people "whine" about this way to much.
Dont call it a d/d+ tournament and there is no reason to "whine". Just call it the DRTL-family individual tournament. You want to play vs your beloved people from this league and in fact nobody of you cares about the real rank.
Is it so hard for you to accept that top D+ players can graze C- at times?
Yes it is. They arent top d+ players if they hit c-. They are bottom c- players. It isnt that hard.
So if you have a 0% win rate vs C- players and a 33% win rate vs D players on motw, you are bottom C- once your points accumulate?
This is largely true, and I do agree people "whine" about this way to much.
Dont call it a d/d+ tournament and there is no reason to "whine". Just call it the DRTL-family individual tournament. You want to play vs your beloved people from this league and in fact nobody of you cares about the real rank.
Is it so hard for you to accept that top D+ players can graze C- at times?
Yes it is. They arent top d+ players if they hit c-. They are bottom c- players. It isnt that hard.
You should just not talk, cause you don't know what you're talking about.
Look through some posts, Babo and I have both explained what "being C- is"(considering im pretty sure we're the highest former ranked players?) cause being able to hit C- doesn't make you C-.
This is largely true, and I do agree people "whine" about this way to much.
Dont call it a d/d+ tournament and there is no reason to "whine". Just call it the DRTL-family individual tournament. You want to play vs your beloved people from this league and in fact nobody of you cares about the real rank.
Is it so hard for you to accept that top D+ players can graze C- at times?
Yes it is. They arent top d+ players if they hit c-. They are bottom c- players. It isnt that hard.
At this point, there's nothing to really argue about. It's been proven throughout the D-rank leagues, both in team and individual leagues, that anyone is capable of winning.
If you don't wanna play, nobody's forcing you to play.
This is largely true, and I do agree people "whine" about this way to much.
Dont call it a d/d+ tournament and there is no reason to "whine". Just call it the DRTL-family individual tournament. You want to play vs your beloved people from this league and in fact nobody of you cares about the real rank.
Is it so hard for you to accept that top D+ players can graze C- at times?
Yes it is. They arent top d+ players if they hit c-. They are bottom c- players. It isnt that hard.
You should just not talk, cause you don't know what you're talking about.
Look through some posts, Babo and I have both explained what "being C- is"(considering im pretty sure we're the highest former ranked players?) cause being able to hit C- doesn't make you C-.
I have read your posts. You are talking about the 33% winrate. First of all that doesnt explain why people with a 21-10 and something like 20-9 stats are allowed to play. And second, why are you all mad about hitting c-. It sounds like you are ashamed of it. Congratulations to your improvement since the first d rank leagues. But now it is time to move on and try your luck in the c rank tournaments.
This is largely true, and I do agree people "whine" about this way to much.
Dont call it a d/d+ tournament and there is no reason to "whine". Just call it the DRTL-family individual tournament. You want to play vs your beloved people from this league and in fact nobody of you cares about the real rank.
Is it so hard for you to accept that top D+ players can graze C- at times?
Yes it is. They arent top d+ players if they hit c-. They are bottom c- players. It isnt that hard.
You should just not talk, cause you don't know what you're talking about.
Look through some posts, Babo and I have both explained what "being C- is"(considering im pretty sure we're the highest former ranked players?) cause being able to hit C- doesn't make you C-.
I have read your posts. You are talking about the 33% winrate. First of all that doesnt explain why people with a 21-10 and something like 20-9 stats are allowed to play. And second, why are you all mad about hitting c-. It sounds like you are ashamed of it. Congratulations to your improvement since the first d rank leagues. But now it is time to move on and try your luck in the c rank tournaments.
I've never actually made a post about the 33% winrate that the others have.
Mine are all summed up in one sentence, "Because you can hit C-, doesn't make you C-". Since you read all my posts in the various threads about the subject, I'm sure you already knew that however.
On January 19 2013 08:38 SlowBullets wrote: Attitude like that is why you'll never get out of D+. Good luck to your starcraft-related future endeavors.
That is the second time, you telling me that i wont get out of d+. The problem is that I dont get why you are telling me this. And what has my attitude to do with my low apm, bad decision making, lack of knowledge of build orders and a lot more problems i am facing if I play bw? Its not about me being a d/d+ player in a d/d+ tournament. I think thats fine.
@arb sorry that i mixed you up with jealous and kazehydra. You sound all the same for me: Hitting c- doesnt mean you are c-. This is hard to understand for me. What was the reason again? A big mistake in the Matrix? I hit the d+ ranks for a few times but never beat more than one d+ player in a season, nevertheless I would never say I am not a d+ player.
Again, if you want to play a tournament with all your friends of the DRTL, thats fine for me. (I appreciate the hard work of L_Master and everybody else who is organising stuff for players aside the gosu players). Just dont call it a d ranks tournament and whine about your own c- status.
Yeah because you constantly care about other people's ranks to the point you sound like a whiny b*tch. Umm duhh? Who cares? Why not focus on getting better to beat said players....
I guess make your own D rank tourney where absolutely no C- (not even people who touched it can join) allowed so you can play in your fantasy D leagues forever! Instead of improving...wouldn't that be nice? lol
Any more arguing with you is like trying to talk to a brick wall, aka you won't get the message. Maybe one day you will, but until then you can continue to be stubborn. Trust me though, things aren't as hard as you think.
I'm not even playing in this league and I think that said players should be allowed in this league (it is fair, and not like where some random c-/c user decided to register out of nowhere). They IMPROVED to get to where they are. But does that mean they can maintain C- ranks at a constant rate? Regardless, with hard work they deserve to play.
On January 19 2013 08:38 SlowBullets wrote: Attitude like that is why you'll never get out of D+. Good luck to your starcraft-related future endeavors.
That is the second time, you telling me that i wont get out of d+. The problem is that I dont get why you are telling me this. And what has my attitude to do with my low apm, bad decision making, lack of knowledge of build orders and a lot more problems i am facing if I play bw? Its not about me being a d/d+ player in a d/d+ tournament. I think thats fine.
@arb sorry that i mixed you up with jealous and kazehydra. You sound all the same for me: Hitting c- doesnt mean you are c-. This is hard to understand for me. What was the reason again? A big mistake in the Matrix? I hit the d+ ranks for a few times but never beat more than one d+ player in a season, nevertheless I would never say I am not a d+ player.
Again, if you want to play a tournament with all your friends of the DRTL, thats fine for me. (I appreciate the hard work of L_Master and everybody else who is organising stuff for players aside the gosu players). Just dont call it a d ranks tournament and whine about your own c- status.
You even answered your own question in your post.
Thats what it means, if you can hit C- a few times and can't beat a single C- player, you arent C-.
On January 19 2013 08:38 SlowBullets wrote: Attitude like that is why you'll never get out of D+. Good luck to your starcraft-related future endeavors.
That is the second time, you telling me that i wont get out of d+. The problem is that I dont get why you are telling me this. And what has my attitude to do with my low apm, bad decision making, lack of knowledge of build orders and a lot more problems i am facing if I play bw? Its not about me being a d/d+ player in a d/d+ tournament. I think thats fine.
@arb sorry that i mixed you up with jealous and kazehydra. You sound all the same for me: Hitting c- doesnt mean you are c-. This is hard to understand for me. What was the reason again? A big mistake in the Matrix? I hit the d+ ranks for a few times but never beat more than one d+ player in a season, nevertheless I would never say I am not a d+ player.
Again, if you want to play a tournament with all your friends of the DRTL, thats fine for me. (I appreciate the hard work of L_Master and everybody else who is organising stuff for players aside the gosu players). Just dont call it a d ranks tournament and whine about your own c- status.
I don't think you realize how bad the iCCup ranking system is. Someone who can consistently beat players who can consistently place at C- would be a C- player, but it's very easy to get yourself placed at C- without being able to consistently beat C- players. This is because the iCCup ranking system is bad; allowing edge players is a way of getting around the flaws in the ranking system.
On January 19 2013 09:40 SlowBullets wrote: Yeah because you constantly care about other people's ranks to the point you sound like a whiny b*tch. Umm duhh? Who cares? Why not focus on getting better to beat said players....
I guess make your own D rank tourney where absolutely no C- (not even people who touched it can join) allowed so you can play in your fantasy D leagues forever! Instead of improving...wouldn't that be nice? lol
Any more arguing with you is like trying to talk to a brick wall, aka you won't get the message. Maybe one day you will, but until then you can continue to be stubborn. Trust me though, things aren't as hard as you think.
I'm not even playing in this league and I think that said players should be allowed in this league (it is fair, and not like where some random c-/c user decided to register out of nowhere). They IMPROVED to get to where they are. But does that mean they can maintain C- ranks at a constant rate? Regardless, with hard work they deserve to play.
The ICCup D Ranks Holiday Tour was made exactly on this premise, got smurfed to shit by people like bm)burbon, and they still didn't win despite being "actual" c-/c players, LOL.
~Kalk, the reason that more leniency is given to this barrier than what you give is due to the imperfections of the system. If ICCup had a proper Elo ranking system underneath the current point/letter divisions, I would wholeheartedly accept your argument. However, because of the fact that Player Y can dodge Koreans and do 10/15 gate on Longinus PvT to get to C- with a nasty record (exaggeration, of course, but carries truth regardless), does not mean that the same player would be even solid D+ if he played a more balanced distribution of players. The reason for this is that beating a D rank player would has stats of 10-30 and beating a D rank player who has stats 8-0 gives you the same amount of points.
Therefore, all ranks are more like estimates of skill rather than concrete "C- max is better than D+ max, D+ is better than D." If this were so, I don't think you would have by your own words ever reached D+, and you might be here complaining about how D+ players are allowed to play in the same tournament as D players, because then that would be the divide that would appear impassable. Does it not defy your logic that these C- high players lose multiple games to D/D+ players in DRTL/DRATL/DRIT??
This will be my last post on the subject because at this point it feels like I am feeding a troll.
The fact is rank doesn' t mean Shit. It is the nature of Tournaments to meet players better than you. There would be no sense otherwise. If anything You should be happier than them cause for you it will be a challange. And also some players perform better in single Tournaments than Team-Tournaments and viceversa. Dear has the same possibilities as Flash, and even with them having an extremely high difference of skill while being in the same fields Dear beat Flash.
You have to consider all aspects of players not only ranks.
Lets end this discussion about the flaw in the iCCup ranking system and whether or not formerly C- ranked players are really considered C- or D+. If he wants to complain, then he has the right to leave the tournament. If he wants to get better, he can, by all means, practice, maybe even with the people he considers C-.
With that said, lets end this discussion.
Anyways, good luck BaBo, MoreAndMore, and L_Master, I'm going to BBS all of you.
On January 19 2013 11:53 SynC[gm] wrote: Lets end this discussion about the flaw in the iCCup ranking system and whether or not formerly C- ranked players are really considered C- or D+. If he wants to complain, then he has the right to leave the tournament. If he wants to get better, he can, by all means, practice, maybe even with the people he considers C-.
With that said, lets end this discussion.
Anyways, good luck BaBo, MoreAndMore, and L_Master, I'm going to BBS all of you.
The Tempest is coming...
I'm practicing my PvZ HARD. I'll be disappointed if I get cheesed again *cough*
This is largely true, and I do agree people "whine" about this way to much.
Dont call it a d/d+ tournament and there is no reason to "whine". Just call it the DRTL-family individual tournament. You want to play vs your beloved people from this league and in fact nobody of you cares about the real rank.
Is it so hard for you to accept that top D+ players can graze C- at times?
Yes it is. They arent top d+ players if they hit c-. They are bottom c- players. It isnt that hard.
You should just not talk, cause you don't know what you're talking about.
Look through some posts, Babo and I have both explained what "being C- is"(considering im pretty sure we're the highest former ranked players?) cause being able to hit C- doesn't make you C-.
I have read your posts. You are talking about the 33% winrate. First of all that doesnt explain why people with a 21-10 and something like 20-9 stats are allowed to play. And second, why are you all mad about hitting c-. It sounds like you are ashamed of it. Congratulations to your improvement since the first d rank leagues. But now it is time to move on and try your luck in the c rank tournaments.
Okay. I will break this down for you:
First of all that doesnt explain why people with a 21-10 and something like 20-9 stats are allowed to play.
First off, I could take a 50 apm player and get him those stats if I taught him how to micro 6 lings off a 4 pool. However, nobody would consider this guy to be a C- player and he could only achieve such a rank because it's ladder. In a tournament he would be D-.
Second. Match history. If you think this guy is the same "rank" or "skill as this guy, you would be wrong. You would also be an idiot. Anyone that is C rank could easily win almost every game against guys ranked D-/D. This, in theory, allows them to rank up infinitely. Whereas to get to B-, you have to win with some regularity against C+ players. A totally different situation.
Third, though related to second, is hosting ability. Those who cannot host will always have harder matches with greater percentages of smurfs because as you climb in skill the amount of fucks given by players increases and more have taken the time to forward their ports. Therefore, joining a game is more likely to be a player at D passing by, versus hosting where you are more likely to get people at that skill joining.
Yes it is. They arent top d+ players if they hit c-. They are bottom c- players. It isnt that hard.
You are "wrong". Wrong relative to the world anyway. This is like you calling green what everyone else calls red. Maybe to you it's green...but anyone else that hears you say that is going to look at you like you had some funny mushrooms for breakfast. You're using a different definition from everyone else. The accepted community definition is a person is C- once they can hold that C- rank playing against other C- players.
You can call it however you want, just understand no one else is using the same definition as you. This is also why when I say that this is a tour of D Ranks players, it IS a tour for D ranks players. This is how me, and the community, define it.
I'll actually add one more piece to this:
I hit the d+ ranks for a few times but never beat more than one d+ player in a season, nevertheless I would neversay I am not a d+ player.
This is the argument from choice of words. People talk of "hitting" D+. They also talk of "being" D+. Hitting D+ is obvious, it means you got there. "Being", however, implies a continuity. It suggests it's a state in which you reside. The player that plays one game and immediately falls from that rank does not exist primarily within that rank, and it doesn't make sense to describe them as being the higher rank if they cannot stay there.
in fact nobody of you cares about the real rank.
I beg to differ, and don't appreciated your accusation. I have already banned several people from this tour and told several other that they are not eligible to play....and not just blatantly overranked players.
Of course, all of this stems from the fact that ICCup's ranking system is pretty terrible as a measure of skill. It's fine for a ladder points system but it's a weak measure of skill. This is exactly WHY we have some level of subjective decision making in the process, and why I, or whoever happens to be, the organizer, hold final say on the matter.
Hey is switching MU allowed now? i wanted to switch to P only , (was signed as P with TvT ) - nobody wants to play TvT on iccup..... only gosu koreans -.- It will not affect my group at all cause only P's and Z there
On January 19 2013 15:53 George_the_man wrote: Hey is switching MU allowed now? i wanted to switch to P only , (was signed as P with TvT ) - nobody wants to play TvT on iccup..... only gosu koreans -.- It will not affect my group at all cause only P's and Z there
Yes, as long as you're not changing what people expected for groups that is okay.
Jesus,kalk for god's sake please stop whining.BaBo(Jealous) explained the situation of players like Me(i would concider myself a high D+ player,who has hit C-),arb and BaBo himself.We are not C- players,we just practiced alot to improve and hit that bloody rank.You will be better of practicing trying to beat us and the other "C-" players,instead of whining.
On January 19 2013 15:53 George_the_man wrote: Hey is switching MU allowed now? i wanted to switch to P only , (was signed as P with TvT ) - nobody wants to play TvT on iccup..... only gosu koreans -.- It will not affect my group at all cause only P's and Z there
Yes, as long as you're not changing what people expected for groups that is okay.
Ok cool, so just to clarify im only P in this tournament
On January 20 2013 02:54 Nagisama wrote: I think the suggestion would have been better taken if it wasn't 2hrs before start.
I agree. It's going to be a real hassle to explain a sudden (possible) change in plans to people. If people instead follow the original plan and then leave, you won't really be able to fault them for not doing it this way.
If everyone in the group agrees you're welcome to do round robin (provided one member didn't show). If one or more disagree it goes to the default format.
Well, there's always the possibility that the scenario from Shine, EffOrt, and go.go's group is repeated, where the tiebreakers go on for several hours because of A > B, B > C, C > A. I don't think many people want/can play several hours for something like that, and it'd be unfair for someone that can't play for a long time to be possibly be forced to forfeit despite showing up.
Hmmm. I failed my PvPs any Protoss willing to help me out and mass a couple of games because this far I've won my every PvZ or PvT in any tournament and lost all my PvPs -.-
On January 20 2013 07:31 thezanursic wrote: Hmmm. I failed my PvPs any Protoss willing to help me out and mass a couple of games because this far I've won my every PvZ or PvT in any tournament and lost all my PvPs -.-
hit me up on iccup man! [BB]KaiGreene ! on skype UED_ReZuya
On January 20 2013 07:31 thezanursic wrote: Hmmm. I failed my PvPs any Protoss willing to help me out and mass a couple of games because this far I've won my every PvZ or PvT in any tournament and lost all my PvPs -.-
hit me up on iccup man! [BB]KaiGreene ! on skype UED_ReZuya
Me as well, you already know my contact info. I need PvP practice as well.
Oh yeah my group was Double walkover for me and Proforward we played a game and i won it tho. idk if it counts, LMaster already knows but i thought id post results anyways.
I haven't sorted through everything yet, but there were plenty of walkovers. Depending on the situation There is a possibility of wild card spots if the no shows were that extensive. Format would be tbd IF this were even an issue. Ill update everything tomorrow morning.
On January 20 2013 05:58 L_Master wrote: Make sure you upload your replays if you are one of the two advancing from the group. Failure to do so will result in disqualification.
If you're group was a walkover obviously I don't need reps but be sure to inform me.
Your* Sorry, had to do it... T_T Love you, L_Master.
Any arguments about Group E not being Group of death.... Hahahahaha
Well, just goes to show my speed can hardly win shit... -_- Congrats to MoreAndMore and BaBo, pretty cool that BaBo predicted who the winners and losers would be correctly, lol ;D
On January 20 2013 12:48 SynC[gm] wrote: Eh, if anything, I'm sorry for not saying 'gg'. If I was in your position, I'd be like "FUCK YOU, GTFO WITH YOU AND YOUR WANNABE VULTURES".
Your vults were anything but wannabe, they were absolutely ill! Never experienced that after an advantage like the one I had, thats why I said gg w p ^^
Didn't have any game today. Against BaBo I poked with goons, knew it was 3 gate speedzeal and...decided to try and micro down zealots knowing they were going to be speedy in a matter of moments instead of going back and erecting a wall at the natural to defend. It's like a horror train where you watch helplessly as you do the exact opposite of what you should be doing. I choked hard there and deserved to lose
Versus RedAxis I played nice for about 5 minutes then...fell apart. Many bad decisions, mediocre macro, horrible control, lack of multitasking. Not sure what the deal was but I think I wanted it too bad and put too much pressure on myself and choked hard as a result.
I haven' t read the thread or anything to not get spoiled but if Any of you can send me complete replays with spoilers of any group (apart from group C) i will be glad to cast them today. Even with walkovers its fine but please send me anti-spoilers!! Expect 21:00 GMT (+00:00)
On January 21 2013 02:07 pebble444 wrote: I haven' t read the thread or anything to not get spoiled but if Any of you can send me complete replays with spoilers of any group (apart from group C) i will be glad to cast them today. Even with walkovers its fine but please send me anti-spoilers!! Expect 21:00 GMT (+00:00)
I'll send you the games I played for Group E, but I can only provide for some of the sets, so you're gonna have to ask BaBo, LMaster, or MoreAndMore for the others.
Ok guys thanks for your effort, unfortunately i will not be able to watch the cast today, but will check it on twitchtv tomorow. BTW Nagisama post link to your stream please, here or in pm.
On January 20 2013 19:26 Pyre_Fly wrote: *sigh*....would have had a walkover if not for Artanis being assigned as a replacement, despite the half dozen other missing players xD
Luck of the draw. He was randomly assigned to a group.
On January 21 2013 09:00 KTF_CloaK wrote: Pebble I waited like 2 hours.for you to cast.group F and then you suddenly stop woth the cast WTF DUDE
I am sorry that last minute i decided to cancel casting that group, i was loosing focus and couldn' t cast properly; I have been Garantied it will be casted later today, and if not i will personally cast it tomorrow.
Awkward how they didn't cast two groups, group D and H, one of which had no games. Hopefully, when someone has the spare time, they'll get done casting group H.
On January 21 2013 09:00 KTF_CloaK wrote: Pebble I waited like 2 hours.for you to cast.group F and then you suddenly stop woth the cast WTF DUDE
I am sorry that last minute i decided to cancel casting that group, i was loosing focus and couldn' t cast properly; I have been Garantied it will be casted later today, and if not i will personally cast it tomorrow.
11 SCVs lost in the first 6.5 minutes 18 Probes lost before the first push 4 SCVs lost during push 9 Probes lost to first mine drag 5 SCVs lost to second mine drag 14 Probes lost in consequent vulture runbys 15 supply advantage for RedAxis before before second push 9 supply advantage for sGs.BaBo after second push 6 Probes lost in consequent vulture runby
No replays where sent in. I have been told there where 2 no shows so there should be 1 match the same. If you have this send me the replay and i will cast it after group H.
I was particulary impressed with Arca(crema) ' s and Gorg' s performance. In the first case i would like to enphisize the importance of ideas and concepts that he applied to the game, showing how one can disregard macro and micro and concentrate on inflicting economical and military damage to overthrow your opponents plans and game.
In Gorg' s case solid probe production, constant making of expansions and upgrades. These things might seem trivial and obvious, but are the things that made them advance in RO16 (a note good timing attack vs Greenelve, even do i strongly disagree on generally skipping starport vs zerg)
Edit: Arca(crema) ' micro and macro where good, i wanted to focus on other aspects.
On January 23 2013 00:30 pebble444 wrote: I was particulary impressed with Arca(crema) ' s and Gorg' s performance. In the first case i would like to enphisize the importance of ideas and concepts that he applied to the game, showing how one can disregard macro and micro and concentrate on inflicting economical and military damage to overthrow your opponents plans and game.
In Gorg' s case solid probe production, constant making of expansions and upgrades. These things might seem trivial and obvious, but are the things that made them advance in RO16 (a note good timing attack vs Greenelve, even do i strongly disagree on generally skipping starport vs zerg)
On January 23 2013 09:08 Sentenal wrote: I feel sorry for those guys on the bottom of the bracket lol
T________T; L_Master gets the last laugh against the two people who won his group, no surprises~
EDIT: Wow you guys have no faith in my PvZ after that manner pylon ><; I'm actually not that bad! Just not as good as my PvT. Although after losing all those probes, idk.
On January 23 2013 09:08 Sentenal wrote: I feel sorry for those guys on the bottom of the bracket lol
T________T; L_Master gets the last laugh against the two people who won his group, no surprises~
EDIT: Wow you guys have no faith in my PvZ after that manner pylon ><; I'm actually not that bad! Just not as good as my PvT. Although after losing all those probes, idk.
On January 23 2013 09:08 Sentenal wrote: I feel sorry for those guys on the bottom of the bracket lol
T________T; L_Master gets the last laugh against the two people who won his group, no surprises~
EDIT: Wow you guys have no faith in my PvZ after that manner pylon ><; I'm actually not that bad! Just not as good as my PvT. Although after losing all those probes, idk.
Well, it IS Artanis you may be going up against.
Babo's gonna make it to the finals and im going to beat him there tho.
On January 23 2013 09:08 Sentenal wrote: I feel sorry for those guys on the bottom of the bracket lol
T________T; L_Master gets the last laugh against the two people who won his group, no surprises~
EDIT: Wow you guys have no faith in my PvZ after that manner pylon ><; I'm actually not that bad! Just not as good as my PvT. Although after losing all those probes, idk.
Well, it IS Artanis you may be going up against.
Babo's gonna make it to the finals and im going to beat him there tho.
Wow hold up, saying this while PMing me asking for practice? Okay braj. Get ready for some brutal smackdowns, I'm going to just cheese you every practice game and then wreck you long game in the finals kkthnx.
On January 23 2013 09:08 Sentenal wrote: I feel sorry for those guys on the bottom of the bracket lol
T________T; L_Master gets the last laugh against the two people who won his group, no surprises~
EDIT: Wow you guys have no faith in my PvZ after that manner pylon ><; I'm actually not that bad! Just not as good as my PvT. Although after losing all those probes, idk.
Well, it IS Artanis you may be going up against.
Babo's gonna make it to the finals and im going to beat him there tho.
I'm rooting for you.
Unless Sentenal plays you. Then I'll be 50/50 for you.
On January 23 2013 09:08 Sentenal wrote: I feel sorry for those guys on the bottom of the bracket lol
T________T; L_Master gets the last laugh against the two people who won his group, no surprises~
EDIT: Wow you guys have no faith in my PvZ after that manner pylon ><; I'm actually not that bad! Just not as good as my PvT. Although after losing all those probes, idk.
Well, it IS Artanis you may be going up against.
Babo's gonna make it to the finals and im going to beat him there tho.
Wow hold up, saying this while PMing me asking for practice? Okay braj. Get ready for some brutal smackdowns, I'm going to just cheese you every practice game and then wreck you long game in the finals kkthnx.
What fun are tourneys without senseless shit talk :o
On January 24 2013 02:35 t0ssboy wrote: Nobody thinks im going to beat prophecy_ ?
I will echo everyone and say no; you winning would be against our prophecy.
Just Watch.
Apparently, 80% of the people that voted thinks that prophecy_ is gonna win, and probably with good reason. Good luck, avoiding BaBo in the Game of Thrones tourney isn't helping how people view your PvP either...
I think people are vastly overrating me. The bottom half of the bracket is filled with close matches and no matter how far I get I'll face dangerous players every step of the way.
On January 24 2013 08:08 EchOne wrote: I think people are vastly overrating me. The bottom half of the bracket is filled with close matches and no matter how far I get I'll face dangerous players every step of the way.
On January 24 2013 08:08 EchOne wrote: I think people are vastly overrating me. The bottom half of the bracket is filled with close matches and no matter how far I get I'll face dangerous players every step of the way.
Well TheMarine, you are certainly capable of beating prophecy_. Especially with the luck involved in this matchup. But you gotta admit that prophecy has to be the favorite in your match. Don't you think like that?
On January 24 2013 15:14 chrisolo wrote: Well TheMarine, you are certainly capable of beating prophecy_. Especially with the luck involved in this matchup. But you gotta admit that prophecy has to be the favorite in your match. Don't you think like that?
On January 24 2013 15:14 chrisolo wrote: Well TheMarine, you are certainly capable of beating prophecy_. Especially with the luck involved in this matchup. But you gotta admit that prophecy has to be the favorite in your match. Don't you think like that?
A real man never doubts himself
I actually agree with this. My tendency when I'm playing is to have the mindset of expecting to win/should win if I play well. Even when I'm playing like green or blue ranks, I think this way; though obviously looking at it rationally I'm not expecting to win.
On January 24 2013 15:14 chrisolo wrote: Well TheMarine, you are certainly capable of beating prophecy_. Especially with the luck involved in this matchup. But you gotta admit that prophecy has to be the favorite in your match. Don't you think like that?
A real man never doubts himself
I actually agree with this. My tendency when I'm playing is to have the mindset of expecting to win/should win if I play well. Even when I'm playing like green or blue ranks, I think this way; though obviously looking at it rationally I'm not expecting to win.
Confident mindset leads to more focused and calm play with faster decision making and actions, no doubt this is the right mindset. PS. this applies in real life also :D
On January 24 2013 15:14 chrisolo wrote: Well TheMarine, you are certainly capable of beating prophecy_. Especially with the luck involved in this matchup. But you gotta admit that prophecy has to be the favorite in your match. Don't you think like that?
A real man never doubts himself
I actually agree with this. My tendency when I'm playing is to have the mindset of expecting to win/should win if I play well. Even when I'm playing like green or blue ranks, I think this way; though obviously looking at it rationally I'm not expecting to win.
Confident mindset leads to more focused and calm play with faster decision making and actions, no doubt this is the right mindset. PS. this applies in real life also :D
Starcraft: giving you life advice one game at a time.
On January 24 2013 18:48 KaiGreene wrote: Sgs.gorg look forward meeting you dude!
lets have an awesome bo3
I'm sorry KaiGreene, I have to help him practice for this because he is my padawan and I think it would be unethical for me to help you practice as well xP
On January 25 2013 00:43 George_the_man wrote: Hehe thanks Babo ! Will need your help for sure Got time to practise now ? Also looking forward to play you Kaigreene! Lets make great PvP out of it
I will promise you I'll give you a fantastic exit out of this tourney I've got some builds prepared just for you :D
Just wanted to let everyone know that _Animus_ and I are having a bit of a scheduling conflict (my fault, I forgot that I have obligations on Saturday, he can't play on Sunday, etc.). There is a chance we won't be able to play our series until a bit later than expected, like during next week if may be. However, since we are both the same race, I hope this won't pose too much of a problem. If the issue is too great, I will grant the W/O. Thank you.
Dear prophecy_/EchoOne can we please play our games in 20:00 CET on Saturday instead of 21:00 CET?10 PM is a really bad time for me,so can we please play an hour earlier?
The first post is kind of unclear. For the Ro16, one part says "First map is pre-decided, losers pick after." Then down in the spoiler for the Ro16, it lists the maps as Fighting Spirit, Electric Circuit, and Neo Jade (in that order). So, how is this going to work? Are those 3 maps the entire map pool for the Ro16? Is it not actually loser-pick, and the Map Order is as I listed above?
On January 25 2013 23:43 Sentenal wrote: The first post is kind of unclear. For the Ro16, one part says "First map is pre-decided, losers pick after." Then down in the spoiler for the Ro16, it lists the maps as Fighting Spirit, Electric Circuit, and Neo Jade (in that order). So, how is this going to work? Are those 3 maps the entire map pool for the Ro16? Is it not actually loser-pick, and the Map Order is as I listed above?
What it seems like given the current information is that first map is Fighting Spirit, then loser gets to pick between EC and Jade. Obviously if they lose again then it's over, if they win then it goes to the map remaining.
No, i believe the maps are pre-decided already. The misunderstanding is that the base of the thread is of the DRIT4. It would make no sense to have already maps under spoilers if it wasn' t.
On January 25 2013 21:33 t0ssboy wrote: Dear prophecy_/EchoOne can we please play our games in 20:00 CET on Saturday instead of 21:00 CET?10 PM is a really bad time for me,so can we please play an hour earlier?
Sure. I'll be in op drit. 20:00 CET, 19:00 GMT, 14:00 EST.
On January 26 2013 01:14 pebble444 wrote: By the way there is the function: and for Dates
like the time the game beetwen prophecy and Themarine will take place 19:00 GMT (+00:00)
Just though i' d let people know if they didn' t know
And this function has been the major factor in confusing dates in both DRTL 3 and DRATL, since it cannot distiguish very well between daylight saving times. So better just write down what you mean. You can use EST CET and KST time from the very top right of TeamLiquid.
I mean ye [.time] is pretty nice, if it would work correct in 100 % of times.
Congrats to BaBo, for advancing to the next stage of the tourney. Result is 2:0, first game i trully beat myself with bad attacks i decided to do, second game he cheesed which i was not expecting from a player who is absolute favorite over me. I take this tourney as a skill test, since before the event i was inactive and its my first appearance in a tournament for past 10 years(im an old school playa). Thats why my intention was to more standart long games, next time ill make sure im better prepared if decide to participate. Thanks to L_Master and CobaltBlu for orgainising the event!
On January 26 2013 17:04 _Animus_ wrote: Results and thoughts from me vs BaBo:+ Show Spoiler +
Congrats to BaBo, for advancing to the next stage of the tourney. Result is 2:0, first game i trully beat myself with bad attacks i decided to do, second game he cheesed which i was not expecting from a player who is absolute favorite over me. I take this tourney as a skill test, since before the event i was inactive and its my first appearance in a tournament for past 10 years(im an old school playa). Thats why my intention was to more standart long games, next time ill make sure im better prepared if decide to participate. Thanks to L_Master and CobaltBlu for orgainising the event!
You have to consider the fact that it was late at night for me and I had to wake up 5 hours later ><; After the first game took so long, I didn't want to risk getting too sleepy in the next one. The storms almost brought you back in G1 also so I figured I should just end it fast if I can. You can add me on ICCup and we can play standard long PvP games next time!
Damn im so angry , all my tactic was to get our games to lategame and i knew ill be allright , And believe me i was 100% sure ull 4 gate all in me with 3 gates being proxied if u lost first match , was looking for those proxies with 2 probes and goon and still couldnt find, gj placing them - that attack came so soon its unbelievable gg's man gl in rest of tourney... edit' i sent probe to that location but i turned it back by accident -.- ...
Damn im so angry , all my tactic was to get our games to lategame and i knew ill be allright , And believe me i was 100% sure ull 4 gate all in me with 3 gates being proxied if u lost first match , was looking for those proxies with 2 probes and goon and still couldnt find, gj placing them - that attack came so soon its unbelievable gg's man gl in rest of tourney...
I really liked Nagi's "What the fuck What the fuck WHAT THE FUCK" during my push break, lol
On a different note... Dear L_Master, wins/losses in BW aren't determined by how many minerals you are banking.
I'm not sure I'm on record as saying they are. But it is one factor that CAN play a deciding role in the outcome of a game.
If you added the word "always" between aren't and determined then I would agree with you. There is a reason that newer players are told above all else to focus on macro. If you have 2x or 3x the stuff of the other player you're going to be able to win almost always, regardless of the strategy.
The timing of when a player ends up with lots of excess resources can also have a big effect. If someone banks 1.5k right before they were to get 8 gated in TvP that could have disastrous consequences. If it happened during the battle after they had primarily held and they causally added a few more facts and got that money back down it would probably have a negligible effect...even if it wouldn't be optimally efficient.
I really liked Nagi's "What the fuck What the fuck WHAT THE FUCK" during my push break, lol
On a different note... Dear L_Master, wins/losses in BW aren't determined by how many minerals you are banking.
I'm not sure I'm on record as saying they are. But it is one factor that CAN play a deciding role in the outcome of a game.
If you added the word "always" between aren't and determined then I would agree with you. There is a reason that newer players are told above all else to focus on macro. If you have 2x or 3x the stuff of the other player you're going to be able to win almost always, regardless of the strategy.
The timing of when a player ends up with lots of excess resources can also have a big effect. If someone banks 1.5k right before they were to get 8 gated in TvP that could have disastrous consequences. If it happened during the battle after they had primarily held and they causally added a few more facts and got that money back down it would probably have a negligible effect...even if it wouldn't be optimally efficient.
Well, "Eric Morgan" is on record for talking shit, saying things like "I do not understand how Sentenal ever wins", because I'm always "banking crazy sums every game", and have "D- Macro". Just saying, how much you have in your bank doesn't determine who wins.
I really liked Nagi's "What the fuck What the fuck WHAT THE FUCK" during my push break, lol
On a different note... Dear L_Master, wins/losses in BW aren't determined by how many minerals you are banking.
I'm not sure I'm on record as saying they are. But it is one factor that CAN play a deciding role in the outcome of a game.
If you added the word "always" between aren't and determined then I would agree with you. There is a reason that newer players are told above all else to focus on macro. If you have 2x or 3x the stuff of the other player you're going to be able to win almost always, regardless of the strategy.
The timing of when a player ends up with lots of excess resources can also have a big effect. If someone banks 1.5k right before they were to get 8 gated in TvP that could have disastrous consequences. If it happened during the battle after they had primarily held and they causally added a few more facts and got that money back down it would probably have a negligible effect...even if it wouldn't be optimally efficient.
Well, "Eric Morgan" is on record for talking shit, saying things like "I do not understanding how Sentenal ever wins", because I'm always "banking crazy sums", and have "D- Macro". Just saying, how much you have in your bank doesn't determine who wins.
Some measure of context is important. I also said that "from the reps I have seen" (which isn't a ton) that these are observations I have made. In these games that I've paid closer attention to the macro wasn't good, and I stand by that. Banking 3k-4k minerals before maxing isn't good macro and most D+ players generally keep their money lower than this.
As far as the first statement, I should make it clear I am referring again to "these games", in particular the game against Kalk where you had 4 or 5k banked and still managed to circumvent his contain and win the game. You don't see that often, where a 2 base protoss has that much money and manages to take out the zerg player.
Maybe we differ a little on this point but if someone were to tell me that they someone took a midgame win over another player, without first acquiring a major advantage, while banking 5k, I would be inclined to say "wtf how did that happen let me see this game". That is damn near an entire maxed army, that in theory one should be down against their opponent in, and is what I am referring to with that commend.
I'm not sure if you're interpreting this as me trashing you, but I'm getting a little of that vibe.
I'm not. It's obvious you're a strong player, as evidenced by your results in previous leagues and the current tour, not to mention the fact that I'm something like 0-5 against you.
I really liked Nagi's "What the fuck What the fuck WHAT THE FUCK" during my push break, lol
On a different note... Dear L_Master, wins/losses in BW aren't determined by how many minerals you are banking.
I'm not sure I'm on record as saying they are. But it is one factor that CAN play a deciding role in the outcome of a game.
If you added the word "always" between aren't and determined then I would agree with you. There is a reason that newer players are told above all else to focus on macro. If you have 2x or 3x the stuff of the other player you're going to be able to win almost always, regardless of the strategy.
The timing of when a player ends up with lots of excess resources can also have a big effect. If someone banks 1.5k right before they were to get 8 gated in TvP that could have disastrous consequences. If it happened during the battle after they had primarily held and they causally added a few more facts and got that money back down it would probably have a negligible effect...even if it wouldn't be optimally efficient.
Well, "Eric Morgan" is on record for talking shit, saying things like "I do not understand how Sentenal ever wins", because I'm always "banking craazy sums every game", and have "D- Macro". Just saying, how much you have in your bank doesn't determine who wins.
It doesn't help your reputation that you are the king of 2 gate lol. I think that combined with the banking creates a pretty clear foundation for such presumptions.
I really liked Nagi's "What the fuck What the fuck WHAT THE FUCK" during my push break, lol
On a different note... Dear L_Master, wins/losses in BW aren't determined by how many minerals you are banking.
I'm not sure I'm on record as saying they are. But it is one factor that CAN play a deciding role in the outcome of a game.
If you added the word "always" between aren't and determined then I would agree with you. There is a reason that newer players are told above all else to focus on macro. If you have 2x or 3x the stuff of the other player you're going to be able to win almost always, regardless of the strategy.
The timing of when a player ends up with lots of excess resources can also have a big effect. If someone banks 1.5k right before they were to get 8 gated in TvP that could have disastrous consequences. If it happened during the battle after they had primarily held and they causally added a few more facts and got that money back down it would probably have a negligible effect...even if it wouldn't be optimally efficient.
Well, "Eric Morgan" is on record for talking shit, saying things like "I do not understand how Sentenal ever wins", because I'm always "banking craazy sums every game", and have "D- Macro". Just saying, how much you have in your bank doesn't determine who wins.
It doesn't help your reputation that you are the king of 2 gate lol. I think that combined with the banking creates a pretty clear foundation for such presumptions.
Presumptions like how I was going to get "DESTROYED" in the Ro16?
I really liked Nagi's "What the fuck What the fuck WHAT THE FUCK" during my push break, lol
On a different note... Dear L_Master, wins/losses in BW aren't determined by how many minerals you are banking.
I'm not sure I'm on record as saying they are. But it is one factor that CAN play a deciding role in the outcome of a game.
If you added the word "always" between aren't and determined then I would agree with you. There is a reason that newer players are told above all else to focus on macro. If you have 2x or 3x the stuff of the other player you're going to be able to win almost always, regardless of the strategy.
The timing of when a player ends up with lots of excess resources can also have a big effect. If someone banks 1.5k right before they were to get 8 gated in TvP that could have disastrous consequences. If it happened during the battle after they had primarily held and they causally added a few more facts and got that money back down it would probably have a negligible effect...even if it wouldn't be optimally efficient.
Well, "Eric Morgan" is on record for talking shit, saying things like "I do not understand how Sentenal ever wins", because I'm always "banking craazy sums every game", and have "D- Macro". Just saying, how much you have in your bank doesn't determine who wins.
It doesn't help your reputation that you are the king of 2 gate lol. I think that combined with the banking creates a pretty clear foundation for such presumptions.
Presumptions like how I was going to get "DESTROYED" in the Ro16?
Yea I guess 2 gate is better than I thought against new terrans ^^;
I really liked Nagi's "What the fuck What the fuck WHAT THE FUCK" during my push break, lol
On a different note... Dear L_Master, wins/losses in BW aren't determined by how many minerals you are banking.
I'm not sure I'm on record as saying they are. But it is one factor that CAN play a deciding role in the outcome of a game.
If you added the word "always" between aren't and determined then I would agree with you. There is a reason that newer players are told above all else to focus on macro. If you have 2x or 3x the stuff of the other player you're going to be able to win almost always, regardless of the strategy.
The timing of when a player ends up with lots of excess resources can also have a big effect. If someone banks 1.5k right before they were to get 8 gated in TvP that could have disastrous consequences. If it happened during the battle after they had primarily held and they causally added a few more facts and got that money back down it would probably have a negligible effect...even if it wouldn't be optimally efficient.
Well, "Eric Morgan" is on record for talking shit, saying things like "I do not understand how Sentenal ever wins", because I'm always "banking craazy sums every game", and have "D- Macro". Just saying, how much you have in your bank doesn't determine who wins.
It doesn't help your reputation that you are the king of 2 gate lol. I think that combined with the banking creates a pretty clear foundation for such presumptions.
Presumptions like how I was going to get "DESTROYED" in the Ro16?
Yea I guess 2 gate is better than I thought against new terrans ^^;
On January 29 2013 10:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So, is anyone going to stream the reps? I'll be happy to do it myself tomorrow if someone gives me the reps and if someone wants to cocast.
I will be casting tomorrow, was planning to today but there won't be enough time (damn you 8ams!). Pebble has his reps, though I'm not sure when he will be casting; but I'd assume tomorrow or tonight.
I'll update the last results in the Ro16 when the games are casted. If Lmaster doesn't have time to cast them, I can cast them sometime on tomorrow after classes.
I'll update the last results in the Ro16 when the games are casted. If Lmaster doesn't have time to cast them, I can cast them sometime on tomorrow after classes.
Just found them and went back to edit post x_x Thanks though!
On February 01 2013 12:05 SynC[gm] wrote: Are there still no results on Echo vs TheMarine?
Games were played but we're waiting on cast or something.
I got the replays for the last set, and I'll cast them Friday ~8pm EST. I'll try to make a calendar submission and maybe hope it gets approved in time for now.
I'm so sad I threw that away in game 5. I just needed to not attack... And starve you. But... I attacked. Mannnnnnn I'm so sad, I think I could have had that game....
But hopefully those Jade games will make faggots who say I can't macro to stfu.
I'm so sad I threw that away in game 5. I just needed to not attack... And starve you. But... I attacked. Mannnnnnn I'm so sad, I think I could have had that game....
But hopefully those Jade games will make faggots who say I can't macro to stfu.
I think my problem in the 1st Jade game was i suicided so many vultures and didnt have enough to cover all my tanks. My macro was atrocious thru the entire series tho. Almost threw away that Circuit breaker game too
I denied your 4th forever(my 3rd was mining long before your 4th) that and that 1 vulture in your nat killed like 15 probes while your goons were like 2 inches away lol
I'm so sad I threw that away in game 5. I just needed to not attack... And starve you. But... I attacked. Mannnnnnn I'm so sad, I think I could have had that game....
But hopefully those Jade games will make faggots who say I can't macro to stfu.
I think my problem in the 1st Jade game was i suicided so many vultures and didnt have enough to cover all my tanks. My macro was atrocious thru the entire series tho. Almost threw away that Circuit breaker game too
I denied your 4th forever(my 3rd was mining long before your 4th) that and that 1 vulture in your nat killed like 15 probes while your goons were like 2 inches away lol
Yeah, Goons did piss me off a bit with your runbys. Towards the end when I was recalling you, I had like 5 bases (not all of them mining, but 5 nexuses), and to my knowledge you weren't able to take a 4th. So I just had to keep starving and recalling. Sigh, oh well. I'm gonna dwell on that last bad attack I made all week now
I'm so sad I threw that away in game 5. I just needed to not attack... And starve you. But... I attacked. Mannnnnnn I'm so sad, I think I could have had that game....
But hopefully those Jade games will make faggots who say I can't macro to stfu.
I think my problem in the 1st Jade game was i suicided so many vultures and didnt have enough to cover all my tanks. My macro was atrocious thru the entire series tho. Almost threw away that Circuit breaker game too
I denied your 4th forever(my 3rd was mining long before your 4th) that and that 1 vulture in your nat killed like 15 probes while your goons were like 2 inches away lol
Yeah, Goons did piss me off a bit with your runbys. Towards the end when I was recalling you, I had like 5 bases (not all of them mining, but 5 nexuses), and to my knowledge you weren't able to take a 4th. So I just had to keep starving and recalling. Sigh, oh well. I'm gonna dwell on that last bad attack I made all week now
that recall made me yell out irl, cause it was emped like 10 seconds before it even casted recall, iw as like "ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS" i think all the emps i got off on your arbiters helped me out a whole lot, you didnt get any storms off except in the 1st fight, and you didnt get any off at all in the last ones, even with good stasis. That and i think i was 3-3 vs 0-0, hard to win vs 3-3 tanks. also had so much money from where i maxed out and started pushing i coulda held on for a while you had a buncha expos with no probes at them too.
I'm so sad I threw that away in game 5. I just needed to not attack... And starve you. But... I attacked. Mannnnnnn I'm so sad, I think I could have had that game....
But hopefully those Jade games will make faggots who say I can't macro to stfu.
if it is, you do realize I never said you can't macro? In fact I went so far as to specifically say "from the games I have seen of Sentenal" he hasn't had strong macro. This is a sample size of like 5 or 6, which amounts to essentially nothing. The point here is that I never said that you can't macro, that you're bad, or anything of the sort. Please stop trying to start conflict or invent drama/hostility/BM when there isn't any.
I'm so sad I threw that away in game 5. I just needed to not attack... And starve you. But... I attacked. Mannnnnnn I'm so sad, I think I could have had that game....
But hopefully those Jade games will make faggots who say I can't macro to stfu.
1. Calm down,nobody said u cant macro, literally nobody 2. Why use the word 'faggots' man? Unnecessary and offending to some people, like seriously over such a small thing you are calling people those kind of words, behave dude.
I'm so sad I threw that away in game 5. I just needed to not attack... And starve you. But... I attacked. Mannnnnnn I'm so sad, I think I could have had that game....
But hopefully those Jade games will make faggots who say I can't macro to stfu.
if it is, you do realize I never said you can't macro? In fact I went so far as to specifically say "from the games I have seen of Sentenal" he hasn't had strong macro. This is a sample size of like 5 or 6, which amounts to essentially nothing. The point here is that I never said that you can't macro, that you're bad, or anything of the sort. Please stop trying to start conflict or invent drama/hostility/BM when there isn't any.
I'm so sad I threw that away in game 5. I just needed to not attack... And starve you. But... I attacked. Mannnnnnn I'm so sad, I think I could have had that game....
But hopefully those Jade games will make faggots who say I can't macro to stfu.
if it is, you do realize I never said you can't macro? In fact I went so far as to specifically say "from the games I have seen of Sentenal" he hasn't had strong macro. This is a sample size of like 5 or 6, which amounts to essentially nothing. The point here is that I never said that you can't macro, that you're bad, or anything of the sort. Please stop trying to start conflict or invent drama/hostility/BM when there isn't any.
The 2nd hydra den was a mistake -_-;;, also in G3 I was expecting cheese from BaBo being tilted as well as the early probe which is why I went for the early speed, but turns out there were no 2 gates in the center. Was behind from that point on.
On February 05 2013 03:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Thanks for casting + Show Spoiler +
The 2nd hydra den was a mistake -_-;;, also in G3 I was expecting cheese from BaBo being tilted as well as the early probe which is why I went for the early speed, but turns out there were no 2 gates in the center. Was behind from that point on.
Judging by how you upgraded speed/rangei coulda swore it was planned baha. (in chat i was saying you were doing it on purpose to bust him with 5 hats as soona s the upgrade finished) We were all wondering why you put yourself way behind in G3 for no reason though.
On February 07 2013 06:49 arb wrote: Something i wondered, do top 4 players get seeded like the OSL? or no?
Probably not, 'cause the winner/players might not even come back to play in the next DRIT. Plus, looking at the past DRITs, the winners of each DRIT didn't even play in the following DRIT, save for EssBee from season 1.
On February 07 2013 06:49 arb wrote: Something i wondered, do top 4 players get seeded like the OSL? or no?
Probably not, 'cause the winner/players might not even come back to play in the next DRIT. Plus, looking at the past DRITs, the winners of each DRIT didn't even play in the following DRIT, save for EssBee from season 1.
On February 07 2013 06:49 arb wrote: Something i wondered, do top 4 players get seeded like the OSL? or no?
Probably not, 'cause the winner/players might not even come back to play in the next DRIT. Plus, looking at the past DRITs, the winners of each DRIT didn't even play in the following DRIT, save for EssBee from season 1.
On February 07 2013 06:49 arb wrote: Something i wondered, do top 4 players get seeded like the OSL? or no?
Probably not, 'cause the winner/players might not even come back to play in the next DRIT. Plus, looking at the past DRITs, the winners of each DRIT didn't even play in the following DRIT, save for EssBee from season 1.
On February 07 2013 06:49 arb wrote: Something i wondered, do top 4 players get seeded like the OSL? or no?
Probably not, 'cause the winner/players might not even come back to play in the next DRIT. Plus, looking at the past DRITs, the winners of each DRIT didn't even play in the following DRIT, save for EssBee from season 1.
I was banned x:
And apparently, BaBo was banned...
Babo doesnt always get banned
But when he does he plays again in S5
I lol'd. So, I'll be finishing my double major in 6 weeks and there is a slight chance I might pick up bw again and try to make it into season 6.
On February 07 2013 06:49 arb wrote: Something i wondered, do top 4 players get seeded like the OSL? or no?
Probably not, 'cause the winner/players might not even come back to play in the next DRIT. Plus, looking at the past DRITs, the winners of each DRIT didn't even play in the following DRIT, save for EssBee from season 1.
I was banned x:
And apparently, BaBo was banned...
Babo doesnt always get banned
But when he does he plays again in S5
I lol'd. So, I'll be finishing my double major in 6 weeks and there is a slight chance I might pick up bw again and try to make it into season 6.
Also, Nerf Artanis. How dare he knock out Babo.
Don't worry, I'll probably get knocked out by prophecy
When to cast semis? Don't really want to cast them during TLS for obvious reasons, which leaves a cast later tonight (7-10hr after DRIT), a similar time Sunday, or some time mid-day on monday (22:30 GMT (+00:00)) ish
On February 07 2013 06:49 arb wrote: Something i wondered, do top 4 players get seeded like the OSL? or no?
Probably not, 'cause the winner/players might not even come back to play in the next DRIT. Plus, looking at the past DRITs, the winners of each DRIT didn't even play in the following DRIT, save for EssBee from season 1.
I was banned x:
And apparently, BaBo was banned...
Babo doesnt always get banned
But when he does he plays again in S5
I lol'd. So, I'll be finishing my double major in 6 weeks and there is a slight chance I might pick up bw again and try to make it into season 6.
Also, Nerf Artanis. How dare he knock out Babo.
Don't worry, I'll probably get knocked out by prophecy
I've been sick all week and only practiced with people who don't main Zerg... so we'll see
Anyways today my family is going out to eat for Chinese New Year. There's a slight possibility I'll be late if lines are long and such. Do you mind waiting? I shouldn't be later than an hour after game time. I'll post here when I'm back.
On February 07 2013 06:49 arb wrote: Something i wondered, do top 4 players get seeded like the OSL? or no?
Probably not, 'cause the winner/players might not even come back to play in the next DRIT. Plus, looking at the past DRITs, the winners of each DRIT didn't even play in the following DRIT, save for EssBee from season 1.
I was banned x:
And apparently, BaBo was banned...
Babo doesnt always get banned
But when he does he plays again in S5
I lol'd. So, I'll be finishing my double major in 6 weeks and there is a slight chance I might pick up bw again and try to make it into season 6.
Also, Nerf Artanis. How dare he knock out Babo.
Don't worry, I'll probably get knocked out by prophecy
I've been sick all week and only practiced with people who don't main Zerg... so we'll see
Anyways today my family is going out to eat for Chinese New Year. There's a slight possibility I'll be late if lines are long and such. Do you mind waiting? I shouldn't be later than an hour after game time. I'll post here when I'm back.
Don't worry, he doesn't make sunkens, just keep your obs alive and do a timing attack on his greedy expos and you should win.
On February 07 2013 06:49 arb wrote: Something i wondered, do top 4 players get seeded like the OSL? or no?
Probably not, 'cause the winner/players might not even come back to play in the next DRIT. Plus, looking at the past DRITs, the winners of each DRIT didn't even play in the following DRIT, save for EssBee from season 1.
I was banned x:
And apparently, BaBo was banned...
Babo doesnt always get banned
But when he does he plays again in S5
I lol'd. So, I'll be finishing my double major in 6 weeks and there is a slight chance I might pick up bw again and try to make it into season 6.
Also, Nerf Artanis. How dare he knock out Babo.
Don't worry, I'll probably get knocked out by prophecy
I've been sick all week and only practiced with people who don't main Zerg... so we'll see
Anyways today my family is going out to eat for Chinese New Year. There's a slight possibility I'll be late if lines are long and such. Do you mind waiting? I shouldn't be later than an hour after game time. I'll post here when I'm back.
On February 10 2013 02:03 L_Master wrote: When to cast semis? Don't really want to cast them during TLS for obvious reasons, which leaves a cast later tonight (7-10hr after DRIT), a similar time Sunday, or some time mid-day on monday (22:30 GMT (+00:00)) ish
I shouldnt have lost the first game, but ehy no matter how many times i try to build depots they never build 2nd game i dont scout and nearly snapped my keyboard seeing carriers 3rd game i shoulda just stuck to the way iusually play
I shouldnt have lost the first game, but ehy no matter how many times i try to build depots they never build 2nd game i dont scout and nearly snapped my keyboard seeing carriers 3rd game i shoulda just stuck to the way iusually play
I studied your play though, in the third game you waited for 200/200, that is your usual playstyle right? You did that vs Sentenal a lot too. Just turtling
I shouldnt have lost the first game, but ehy no matter how many times i try to build depots they never build 2nd game i dont scout and nearly snapped my keyboard seeing carriers 3rd game i shoulda just stuck to the way iusually play
I studied your play though, in the third game you waited for 200/200, that is your usual playstyle right? You did that vs Sentenal a lot too. Just turtling
To be fair you arent as sloppy with your probe defense either(no offense) so raping probes while sitting and maxing didnt work out. Tried being aggro in every game and failed miserably.
On February 10 2013 09:05 SynC[gm] wrote: Maybe we can get interviews done for the winners of the semis, and maybe even interviews for the losers, who'll be playing for 3rd place?
I think this.is a great idea! Adds to the whole tournament experience for the people watching the tourney. Also maybe someone with awesome editing skills can make a hype video for the finals and third place match? Would be pretty fucking awesome if you ask me!
On February 10 2013 10:59 Sentenal wrote: Since DRIT is almost over, when is the next DRTL going to start?
LMaster said that DRTL would start mid-Feb, and we were hoping for the thread to come up soon so sign-ups can start and draftees can be drafted, but lately, I believe he's been really busy with school, so it might be a bit later than expected...
I liked this idea, tell me if anybody is on the boat to do this: Before the start of DRTL4 and after DRIT5, having a 3v3 Hunters (or BGH) day, with the teams from DRTL. Time would be standard 17:00 GMT (+00:00) 18:00 CET 12:00 EST 21:00 MSK 09:00 California/Lima Time
Poll: Would you Play in this BGH/Hunters?
Yes i would play (13)
87%
no i would not play (2)
13%
15 total votes
Your vote: Would you Play in this BGH/Hunters?
(Vote): Yes i would play (Vote): no i would not play
I shouldnt have lost the first game, but ehy no matter how many times i try to build depots they never build 2nd game i dont scout and nearly snapped my keyboard seeing carriers 3rd game i shoulda just stuck to the way iusually play
Just so you know it might not have been entirely scouting fail on your part as Kai had this to say after watching my cast:
[11:00:23 AM] Ensar Kurt: BTW you missed an essential part during your cast of me vs arb [11:00:23 AM] Ensar Kurt: in the second game [11:00:26 AM] Ensar Kurt: on wind and cloud [11:00:45 AM] Ensar Kurt: i was really keeping an eye on where he scanned and tried to see the animation [11:00:50 AM] Ensar Kurt: and he scanned my gateways [11:01:02 AM] Ensar Kurt: and i let a probe chill there until i saw the scans [11:01:10 AM] Ensar Kurt: and right when he scanned i added shitload of gateways [11:01:17 AM] Ensar Kurt: and when the scan wore off i canceled them
On February 12 2013 05:08 Psyonic_Reaver wrote: LMaster, could you please check your PM?
Psy, you are one awesome dude!!! thanks for the free 20 dollars hehe ^^ Really cool to sponsor such a tourney man, keeping the competitive BW D scene alive :D
I shouldnt have lost the first game, but ehy no matter how many times i try to build depots they never build 2nd game i dont scout and nearly snapped my keyboard seeing carriers 3rd game i shoulda just stuck to the way iusually play
I shouldnt have lost the first game, but ehy no matter how many times i try to build depots they never build 2nd game i dont scout and nearly snapped my keyboard seeing carriers 3rd game i shoulda just stuck to the way iusually play
I know that feel too well... you had my sympathies. You even typed "gg", I would've just left.
So being angry justifies BM like not GG'ing? Nice manners there nagisama. Btw arb, in no game I BM'ed you, like at the start of the third game I just said GG gl hf dude as kind of a cheer up I guess? I would have appreciated it anyways if I was in your spot being down 2-0. Nevertheless good luck in your fight for the third place!
I shouldnt have lost the first game, but ehy no matter how many times i try to build depots they never build 2nd game i dont scout and nearly snapped my keyboard seeing carriers 3rd game i shoulda just stuck to the way iusually play
I know that feel too well... you had my sympathies. You even typed "gg", I would've just left.
So being angry justifies BM like not GG'ing? Nice manners there nagisama. Btw arb, in no game I BM'ed you, like at the start of the third game I just said GG gl hf dude as kind of a cheer up I guess? I would have appreciated it anyways if I was in your spot being down 2-0. Nevertheless good luck in your fight for the third place!
I may always gg, but I've never really viewed not GGing as all that BM.
I guess it gets viewed as BM because it's something of a starcraft tradition, but in most other sports you don't have the losers coming up and congratulating the winners very often. It's natural to be frustrated you lost and just wanna go off by yourself and make peace with it.
I sold my EG shirt that was signed by the 2010 WC3/BW squad before it merged into SC2 for $35. I'm donating it to this tournament, unless the following poll suggests we put it off till the next DRIT. $20 first place. $10 for second. $5 for third. $1 for fourth. What say you? Money this DRIT or next?
I shouldnt have lost the first game, but ehy no matter how many times i try to build depots they never build 2nd game i dont scout and nearly snapped my keyboard seeing carriers 3rd game i shoulda just stuck to the way iusually play
Just a note on maps: iCCup released their 2.5 Map Pack recently and I tested some of the Obs Mode versions since organizers mentioned they wanted a live stream of the finals.
The Obs version of Wind and Cloud is currently bugged. Players spawn with 0 minerals.
On February 12 2013 06:00 KaiGreene wrote: thanks for the free 20 dollars hehe ^^
Oh? Are you implying playing me is a freewin for you?
I'll just have to prove you wrong
Kai is secret 1600 fish. He hasn't improved in a while because he mostly practice smurfing.
Actually I'm 1700 Fish
And prophecy beating you will be a breeze. Nah I'm kidding, but let's make the finals exciting! So I'll let you win 3 games so we can get an ace match ^^
L_Master mentioned perhaps playing the Final game at another time because he doesn't want the live cast to clash with the TLS cast. Kai, if you're down for a rescheduling let me know what times are good for you. Otherwise I'm good to go at the original time (17 hours from now). For future times I'm free Monday, Wednesday, and Friday next week as well as next Saturday.
Gg's, Arb won the one game that didn't end in 10 minutes though that was just because I'm bad at F10 N'ing. Buncha cheesy games which is a shame, just felt like I had the opportunity with scouting scvs dying early so I took advantage of it. Woulda liked to have played a game that went to hive but oh well.
Gg's, Arb won the one game that didn't end in 10 minutes though that was just because I'm bad at F10 N'ing. Buncha cheesy games which is a shame, just felt like I had the opportunity with scouting scvs dying early so I took advantage of it. Woulda liked to have played a game that went to hive but oh well.
Was quite depressing, was hoping for standard play. even though the one standard game was pretty fast and one sided -_-.
regardless, im still pretty salty over those games :c 2nd one though, just as you go in to stop that group of mnm +1 kicked in so that entire army got pretty raped by like 9 marines haha
On February 23 2013 12:15 EchOne wrote: L_Master mentioned perhaps playing the Final game at another time because he doesn't want the live cast to clash with the TLS cast. Kai, if you're down for a rescheduling let me know what times are good for you. Otherwise I'm good to go at the original time (17 hours from now). For future times I'm free Monday, Wednesday, and Friday next week as well as next Saturday.
Gg's, Arb won the one game that didn't end in 10 minutes though that was just because I'm bad at F10 N'ing. Buncha cheesy games which is a shame, just felt like I had the opportunity with scouting scvs dying early so I took advantage of it. Woulda liked to have played a game that went to hive but oh well.
Was quite depressing, was hoping for standard play. even though the one standard game was pretty fast and one sided -_-.
regardless, im still pretty salty over those games :c 2nd one though, just as you go in to stop that group of mnm +1 kicked in so that entire army got pretty raped by like 9 marines haha
Did you mean G1 or G2 with standard game? I'd say both were standard actually. G1 you forgot to build turrets, which I guess is because I built my lair at my nat instead of main so you were confused with the timing, G2 I went the same build but you were much more prepared and I didn't build enough lings because I was greedy.
M&M is strong. Can't believe you had two forces that both held their own against the force I had out ;_;
Gg's, Arb won the one game that didn't end in 10 minutes though that was just because I'm bad at F10 N'ing. Buncha cheesy games which is a shame, just felt like I had the opportunity with scouting scvs dying early so I took advantage of it. Woulda liked to have played a game that went to hive but oh well.
Was quite depressing, was hoping for standard play. even though the one standard game was pretty fast and one sided -_-.
regardless, im still pretty salty over those games :c 2nd one though, just as you go in to stop that group of mnm +1 kicked in so that entire army got pretty raped by like 9 marines haha
Did you mean G1 or G2 with standard game? I'd say both were standard actually. G1 you forgot to build turrets, which I guess is because I built my lair at my nat instead of main so you were confused with the timing, G2 I went the same build but you were much more prepared and I didn't build enough lings because I was greedy.
M&M is strong. Can't believe you had two forces that both held their own against the force I had out ;_;
G1 i scanned a hydra den and saw no spire no mutas, so i was like oh must be lurkers(for the bridges) had no turrets when mutas flew into my base, i guess G1 was semi standard but i thought i was getting mindgamed with hydra den lolol
Gg's, Arb won the one game that didn't end in 10 minutes though that was just because I'm bad at F10 N'ing. Buncha cheesy games which is a shame, just felt like I had the opportunity with scouting scvs dying early so I took advantage of it. Woulda liked to have played a game that went to hive but oh well.
Was quite depressing, was hoping for standard play. even though the one standard game was pretty fast and one sided -_-.
regardless, im still pretty salty over those games :c 2nd one though, just as you go in to stop that group of mnm +1 kicked in so that entire army got pretty raped by like 9 marines haha
Did you mean G1 or G2 with standard game? I'd say both were standard actually. G1 you forgot to build turrets, which I guess is because I built my lair at my nat instead of main so you were confused with the timing, G2 I went the same build but you were much more prepared and I didn't build enough lings because I was greedy.
M&M is strong. Can't believe you had two forces that both held their own against the force I had out ;_;
G1 i scanned a hydra den and saw no spire no mutas, so i was like oh must be lurkers(for the bridges) had no turrets when mutas flew into my base, i guess G1 was semi standard but i thought i was getting mindgamed with hydra den lolol
Ah that explains it lol, I just went for a standard build with a quick hydra den to transition instantly if necessary since the distance is so short. Felt standard from my position at least, heh.
My ability to access the internet is tenuous at the moment so I might not be able to make our rescheduled finals date this Friday. Unfortunately I don't have a laptop capable of playing BW to use in a public WiFi area. I'm doing everything in my power to guarantee internet access but I might not have a secure solution until next week. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.
In case people are curious: my Dad wants to forbid me from accessing our home wireless network. I *believe* the way he's tried to do this is simply by changing our WEP key and not giving it to me. Several tutorials on Google indicate that I can crack the WEP key using aircrack, but I'll need a different wireless adapter, which may not arrive for several business days.
On February 26 2013 02:18 EchOne wrote: My ability to access the internet is tenuous at the moment so I might not be able to make our rescheduled finals date this Friday. Unfortunately I don't have a laptop capable of playing BW to use in a public WiFi area. I'm doing everything in my power to guarantee internet access but I might not have a secure solution until next week. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.
In case people are curious: my Dad wants to forbid me from accessing our home wireless network. I *believe* the way he's tried to do this is simply by changing our WEP key and not giving it to me. Several tutorials on Google indicate that I can crack the WEP key using aircrack, but I'll need a different wireless adapter, which may not arrive for several business days.
That obnoxious. Hate when parents do that, though I guess in some cases it can be warranted. Doesn't really make sense to me though because the internet is quite useful for most things.
On March 02 2013 03:41 EchOne wrote: Sorry for all the trouble. Can we aim for next Friday (March 8) instead? If I can't play by then I'll forfeit the title.
Please don't. That would be very anti-climactic.
If you guys decide on a time, I'll get it calendered and we can have a live cast.
On March 02 2013 03:41 EchOne wrote: Sorry for all the trouble. Can we aim for next Friday (March 8) instead? If I can't play by then I'll forfeit the title.
No problem at all dude! Ok, so next friday 21:00 CET works for me.
If not, I guess I will enter the C ranks one. I feel like I would be favored vs most D+, but completely outclassed by C, and C+ and B- I could only win 1 game in 10 with luck.
Other problem is race. I race pick pvz pvt zvp. Is that allowed?
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? If this is the case their is absolutely nothing to suggest that a terran's TvP is likely to better than his PvT or vice versa. 
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