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On August 20 2012 22:51 LRM)TechnicS wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 15:25 dRaW wrote:
edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-?
On August 20 2012 22:59 Shimy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 22:51 LRM)TechnicS wrote:On August 18 2012 15:25 dRaW wrote:
edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-? No idea why both of you ask a question when the answer is clearly stated in the OP, but yes, he's eligible. Hasn't replied to anything I've sent him.
We're curious just because it states that players progressing who reach B- can't play, such as Wands, and perhaps a few others. Yet the person who destroyed the tournament, stays around C on iccup, can continually play in the touraments and just ladder/practice on fish server to 1200-1300 np and will not suffer any caution from this ruling.
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On August 21 2012 12:17 dRaW wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 22:51 LRM)TechnicS wrote:On August 18 2012 15:25 dRaW wrote:
edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-? Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 22:59 Shimy wrote:On August 20 2012 22:51 LRM)TechnicS wrote:On August 18 2012 15:25 dRaW wrote:
edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-? No idea why both of you ask a question when the answer is clearly stated in the OP, but yes, he's eligible. Hasn't replied to anything I've sent him. We're curious just because it states that players progressing who reach B- can't play, such as Wands, and perhaps a few others. Yet the person who destroyed the tournament, stays around C on iccup, can continually play in the touraments and just ladder/practice on fish server to 1200-1300 np and will not suffer any caution from this ruling.
We're just curious why someone who doesn't even have enough interest to read the thread posts about the league with facts that seem to be pulled out of thin air.. Or at least I am.
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It's states in the OP that EVERYONE from the previous season will be allowed to play in this season. WandS CAN and as far as I know IS playing in this tournament. Denying people who trained as hard as he did in the previous tournament another shot would be disgusting. I really do hope you enjoy the tournament, but I just stress this: Please thoroughly read the Original Post before throwing your two cents in. I'm in no way saying that they couldn't matter, because feed back is my best friend, but in this circumstance, they are nonfactual and in no way beneficial to the league or anyone reading this thread.
Thank you.
On August 21 2012 12:17 dRaW wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 22:51 LRM)TechnicS wrote:On August 18 2012 15:25 dRaW wrote:
edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-? Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 22:59 Shimy wrote:On August 20 2012 22:51 LRM)TechnicS wrote:On August 18 2012 15:25 dRaW wrote:
edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-? No idea why both of you ask a question when the answer is clearly stated in the OP, but yes, he's eligible. Hasn't replied to anything I've sent him. We're curious just because it states that players progressing who reach B- can't play, such as Wands, and perhaps a few others. Yet the person who destroyed the tournament, stays around C on iccup, can continually play in the touraments and just ladder/practice on fish server to 1200-1300 np and will not suffer any caution from this ruling.
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On August 21 2012 13:06 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 12:17 dRaW wrote:On August 20 2012 22:51 LRM)TechnicS wrote:On August 18 2012 15:25 dRaW wrote:
edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-? On August 20 2012 22:59 Shimy wrote:On August 20 2012 22:51 LRM)TechnicS wrote:On August 18 2012 15:25 dRaW wrote:
edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-? No idea why both of you ask a question when the answer is clearly stated in the OP, but yes, he's eligible. Hasn't replied to anything I've sent him. We're curious just because it states that players progressing who reach B- can't play, such as Wands, and perhaps a few others. Yet the person who destroyed the tournament, stays around C on iccup, can continually play in the touraments and just ladder/practice on fish server to 1200-1300 np and will not suffer any caution from this ruling. We're just curious why someone who doesn't even have enough interest to read the thread posts about the league with facts that seem to be pulled out of thin air.. Or at least I am.
it says previous players can play yet already existing b- can't, sort of a paradox in some cases, that was all I was regarding to. The question was also @ Shimy the OP not to you anyway. Thanks to the reply, I understand now.
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A paradigm in a paradox? ASLception.
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Wait, wait, wait... HOLD, HOLD, HOLD ON...... a minute.. So, you guys are letting Rush and Wands play once again? As a player who played and reached the semifinals in the ASL I can confirm everything Draw is saying here in this thread. He has no proof? FFS Wands has 2 B-'s already on 2 separate accounts, one of which he practically made during the ladder stage last ASL. Then he made another one if I remember correctly. If that is not a proof, I am Britney Spears. I mean it's ok, Wands no offense man, but isn't he being B- now making him a little bit better than all of us? Isn't this a league for C rankers? And don't let me start this all over again on Rush. Yeah dudes, he plays solid B rank random, destroyed Wands in the finals TvP and Wands was already B- back then. I played Rush as well in the group stages and even though I got unlucky I got owned 2 games. Then again, in the semis he faced Action who in my opinion is like the best C+ terran you can get in this league and he owned him as well with his Protoss. If that guy is C, again, I am Britney Spears. Hi to all my fans!
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Wallace complaining about people's max rank? Color me shocked.
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On August 21 2012 23:45 BulgarianToss wrote:
Wait, wait, wait... HOLD, HOLD, HOLD ON...... a minute.. So, you guys are letting Rush and Wands play once again? As a player who played and reached the semifinals in the ASL I can confirm everything Draw is saying here in this thread. He has no proof? FFS Wands has 2 B-'s already on 2 separate accounts, one of which he practically made during the ladder stage last ASL. Then he made another one if I remember correctly. If that is not a proof, I am Britney Spears. I mean it's ok, Wands no offense man, but isn't he being B- now making him a little bit better than all of us? Isn't this a league for C rankers? And don't let me start this all over again on Rush. Yeah dudes, he plays solid B rank random, destroyed Wands in the finals TvP and Wands was already B- back then. I played Rush as well in the group stages and even though I got unlucky I got owned 2 games. Then again, in the semis he faced Action who in my opinion is like the best C+ terran you can get in this league and he owned him as well with his Protoss. If that guy is C, again, I am Britney Spears. Hi to all my fans!
Simply put, you want to win ASL, you train as hard as WandS did in season 1. There's no point in punishing WandS for playing nearly 2000 games to train for ASL. This has been justified several times and is not going to change. Please stop ranting about it. If you're expecting that you can cap your skill at the top level of this tournament and never progress, always perform... you're dead wrong.
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On August 21 2012 23:45 BulgarianToss wrote:
Wait, wait, wait... HOLD, HOLD, HOLD ON...... a minute.. So, you guys are letting Rush and Wands play once again? As a player who played and reached the semifinals in the ASL I can confirm everything Draw is saying here in this thread. He has no proof? FFS Wands has 2 B-'s already on 2 separate accounts, one of which he practically made during the ladder stage last ASL. Then he made another one if I remember correctly. If that is not a proof, I am Britney Spears. I mean it's ok, Wands no offense man, but isn't he being B- now making him a little bit better than all of us? Isn't this a league for C rankers? And don't let me start this all over again on Rush. Yeah dudes, he plays solid B rank random, destroyed Wands in the finals TvP and Wands was already B- back then. I played Rush as well in the group stages and even though I got unlucky I got owned 2 games. Then again, in the semis he faced Action who in my opinion is like the best C+ terran you can get in this league and he owned him as well with his Protoss. If that guy is C, again, I am Britney Spears. Hi to all my fans!
I personally think that, had action prepared better and used more resources that he could have accessed, he would have beaten RuSh. He had a good position on that last game he lost (basically owned himself with mines) - This comment has nothing to do with the league and it's organization, hence the separation.
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On August 22 2012 00:52 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 23:45 BulgarianToss wrote:
Wait, wait, wait... HOLD, HOLD, HOLD ON...... a minute.. So, you guys are letting Rush and Wands play once again? As a player who played and reached the semifinals in the ASL I can confirm everything Draw is saying here in this thread. He has no proof? FFS Wands has 2 B-'s already on 2 separate accounts, one of which he practically made during the ladder stage last ASL. Then he made another one if I remember correctly. If that is not a proof, I am Britney Spears. I mean it's ok, Wands no offense man, but isn't he being B- now making him a little bit better than all of us? Isn't this a league for C rankers? And don't let me start this all over again on Rush. Yeah dudes, he plays solid B rank random, destroyed Wands in the finals TvP and Wands was already B- back then. I played Rush as well in the group stages and even though I got unlucky I got owned 2 games. Then again, in the semis he faced Action who in my opinion is like the best C+ terran you can get in this league and he owned him as well with his Protoss. If that guy is C, again, I am Britney Spears. Hi to all my fans! I personally think that, had action prepared better and used more resources that he could have accessed, he would have beaten RuSh. He had a good position on that last game he lost (basically owned himself with mines) - This comment has nothing to do with the league and it's organization, hence the separation.
Yeah, basically you are saying "if only Action was a bit better.. maybe a couple of ranks higher than he would've had this for sho!" Dude, Eywa, no disrespect to you, you guys are free to do whatever you want, you're the organisers. I just feel that letting obviously better players than C level once again participate in this league does not do it justice. Unless of course you open this league for blue rankers as well, that'd be a different story and I wouldn't feel the need to complain.
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so much grama here. I dont like idea only B rankers from previous ASL. If they allowed why not other b rankers, cause its looks unfair - 2 gamers has higest chance to win at start. Tourney for yellows ranks, but there are exception... looks strange. For me it doeasnt matters if they are allowed or not, cause i will win it anyway. I just understand others sayin its verry unfair for rest players in this tourney
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On August 22 2012 01:17 mca64[KDV] wrote:
so much grama here. I dont like idea only B rankers from previous ASL. If they allowed why not other b rankers, cause its looks unfair - 2 gamers has higest chance to win at start. Tourney for yellows ranks, but there are exception... looks strange. For me it doeasnt matters if they are allowed or not, cause i will win it anyway. I just understand others sayin its verry unfair for rest players in this tourney
Once again, this has already been justified more than once. Please guys, read a couple comments before you post... It's made that way because it's absolutely stupid to punish someone for working at everything the league stands for which is improvement. Given that the league stands for getting players active, helping them improve, it doesn't make sense to allow players who are stagnating entirely due to their own lack of interest in improving.
Are they the same skill? Maybe
Are they similar situations? Not at all
Given the nature of the league, establishing a clear cealing and cutting off players who did well in season 1 would ensure the failure of any future strive for improvement for league purposes. Players would just sit at the max rank and watch to make sure no one got in who was above. This is proven, I mean... If you look at DRTL, none of the top players would dare ladder into the C- ranks even though some of their records suggest that they could. Yes, in the future, the skill cap will be re-established to C+, which is another reason why we can't allow any B- players in who weren't previously admitted. However, in order to accomplish this, we need to need there to be another level of tournaments worth playing for between C+ and the top level which is a huge leap.
In conclusion, it's really simple... Until we are able to establish an alternative for player who excel, we're going to keep them in the ASL. It does not make sense at all to discourage people from pushing their boundaries simply due to the fact they may not get admitted.
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On August 22 2012 01:06 BulgarianToss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 00:52 Eywa- wrote:On August 21 2012 23:45 BulgarianToss wrote:
Wait, wait, wait... HOLD, HOLD, HOLD ON...... a minute.. So, you guys are letting Rush and Wands play once again? As a player who played and reached the semifinals in the ASL I can confirm everything Draw is saying here in this thread. He has no proof? FFS Wands has 2 B-'s already on 2 separate accounts, one of which he practically made during the ladder stage last ASL. Then he made another one if I remember correctly. If that is not a proof, I am Britney Spears. I mean it's ok, Wands no offense man, but isn't he being B- now making him a little bit better than all of us? Isn't this a league for C rankers? And don't let me start this all over again on Rush. Yeah dudes, he plays solid B rank random, destroyed Wands in the finals TvP and Wands was already B- back then. I played Rush as well in the group stages and even though I got unlucky I got owned 2 games. Then again, in the semis he faced Action who in my opinion is like the best C+ terran you can get in this league and he owned him as well with his Protoss. If that guy is C, again, I am Britney Spears. Hi to all my fans! I personally think that, had action prepared better and used more resources that he could have accessed, he would have beaten RuSh. He had a good position on that last game he lost (basically owned himself with mines) - This comment has nothing to do with the league and it's organization, hence the separation. Yeah, basically you are saying "if only Action was a bit better.. maybe a couple of ranks higher than he would've had this for sho!" Dude, Eywa, no disrespect to you, you guys are free to do whatever you want, you're the organisers. I just feel that letting obviously better players than C level once again participate in this league does not do it justice. Unless of course you open this league for blue rankers as well, that'd be a different story and I wouldn't feel the need to complain.
You're taking a twist of my words and engaging in reductio-ad-absurdum. Preparing for a specific match does not guarantee that your overall rank is going to increase... You see it all the time in pro-gaming and what not, a lesser player with greater preparation can beat anyone. Action had the skills necessary to beat RuSh, simply not the refinement he needed. You can argue all you want, but it didn't seem like RuSh's PvT was that far above anyone's TvP (It nearly had him eliminated in the groups)...
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On August 22 2012 01:56 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 01:17 mca64[KDV] wrote:
so much grama here. I dont like idea only B rankers from previous ASL. If they allowed why not other b rankers, cause its looks unfair - 2 gamers has higest chance to win at start. Tourney for yellows ranks, but there are exception... looks strange. For me it doeasnt matters if they are allowed or not, cause i will win it anyway. I just understand others sayin its verry unfair for rest players in this tourney Once again, this has already been justified more than once. Please guys, read a couple comments before you post... It's made that way because it's absolutely stupid to punish someone for working at everything the league stands for which is improvement. Given that the league stands for getting players active, helping them improve, it doesn't make sense to allow players who are stagnating entirely due to their own lack of interest in improving. Are they the same skill? Maybe Are they similar situations? Not at all Given the nature of the league, establishing a clear cealing and cutting off players who did well in season 1 would ensure the failure of any future strive for improvement for league purposes. Players would just sit at the max rank and watch to make sure no one got in who was above. This is proven, I mean... If you look at DRTL, none of the top players would dare ladder into the C- ranks even though some of their records suggest that they could. Yes, in the future, the skill cap will be re-established to C+, which is another reason why we can't allow any B- players in who weren't previously admitted. However, in order to accomplish this, we need to need there to be another level of tournaments worth playing for between C+ and the top level which is a huge leap. In conclusion, it's really simple... Until we are able to establish an alternative for player who excel, we're going to keep them in the ASL. It does not make sense at all to discourage people from pushing their boundaries simply due to the fact they may not get admitted.
Uhm, hello? Defiler tours, ISL? Those can help them improve if they want to. These tournaments have pretty good money prizes as well and they can compete with players closer to their skill level. Wouldn't that make more sense than bashing C level nubs? How can they improve by beating players that are not as skilled as them? Sorry, but I don't understand your point of view.
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On August 22 2012 01:56 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 01:17 mca64[KDV] wrote:
so much grama here. I dont like idea only B rankers from previous ASL. If they allowed why not other b rankers, cause its looks unfair - 2 gamers has higest chance to win at start. Tourney for yellows ranks, but there are exception... looks strange. For me it doeasnt matters if they are allowed or not, cause i will win it anyway. I just understand others sayin its verry unfair for rest players in this tourney Once again, this has already been justified more than once. Please guys, read a couple comments before you post... It's made that way because it's absolutely stupid to punish someone for working at everything the league stands for which is improvement. Given that the league stands for getting players active, helping them improve, it doesn't make sense to allow players who are stagnating entirely due to their own lack of interest in improving. Are they the same skill? Maybe Are they similar situations? Not at all Given the nature of the league, establishing a clear cealing and cutting off players who did well in season 1 would ensure the failure of any future strive for improvement for league purposes. Players would just sit at the max rank and watch to make sure no one got in who was above. This is proven, I mean... If you look at DRTL, none of the top players would dare ladder into the C- ranks even though some of their records suggest that they could. Yes, in the future, the skill cap will be re-established to C+, which is another reason why we can't allow any B- players in who weren't previously admitted. However, in order to accomplish this, we need to need there to be another level of tournaments worth playing for between C+ and the top level which is a huge leap. In conclusion, it's really simple... Until we are able to establish an alternative for player who excel, we're going to keep them in the ASL. It does not make sense at all to discourage people from pushing their boundaries simply due to the fact they may not get admitted.
understood
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On August 22 2012 02:09 BulgarianToss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 01:56 Eywa- wrote:On August 22 2012 01:17 mca64[KDV] wrote:
so much grama here. I dont like idea only B rankers from previous ASL. If they allowed why not other b rankers, cause its looks unfair - 2 gamers has higest chance to win at start. Tourney for yellows ranks, but there are exception... looks strange. For me it doeasnt matters if they are allowed or not, cause i will win it anyway. I just understand others sayin its verry unfair for rest players in this tourney Once again, this has already been justified more than once. Please guys, read a couple comments before you post... It's made that way because it's absolutely stupid to punish someone for working at everything the league stands for which is improvement. Given that the league stands for getting players active, helping them improve, it doesn't make sense to allow players who are stagnating entirely due to their own lack of interest in improving. Are they the same skill? Maybe Are they similar situations? Not at all Given the nature of the league, establishing a clear cealing and cutting off players who did well in season 1 would ensure the failure of any future strive for improvement for league purposes. Players would just sit at the max rank and watch to make sure no one got in who was above. This is proven, I mean... If you look at DRTL, none of the top players would dare ladder into the C- ranks even though some of their records suggest that they could. Yes, in the future, the skill cap will be re-established to C+, which is another reason why we can't allow any B- players in who weren't previously admitted. However, in order to accomplish this, we need to need there to be another level of tournaments worth playing for between C+ and the top level which is a huge leap. In conclusion, it's really simple... Until we are able to establish an alternative for player who excel, we're going to keep them in the ASL. It does not make sense at all to discourage people from pushing their boundaries simply due to the fact they may not get admitted. Uhm, hello? Defiler tours, ISL? Those can help them improve if they want to. These tournaments have pretty good money prizes as well and they can compete with players closer to their skill level. Wouldn't that make more sense than bashing C level nubs? How can they improve by beating players that are not as skilled as them? Sorry, but I don't understand your point of view.
Punish the kids who worked harder than you. Sounds fair.
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NoisE, i seriously do not understand how you can say a thing such as "Punish the kid who worked harder than you",this is a tournament for yellow ranks damn it,do you think most of the people playing in this tournament have time to play as much as wands and rush did?
wands himself said that he played 2000~ games during the tourney.2000 for 2~ months is 33 games a day.Do you realise this takes atleast 7-8 hours,time that most people participating in this tournament do not have.
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On August 22 2012 02:44 Shotcoder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 02:09 BulgarianToss wrote:On August 22 2012 01:56 Eywa- wrote:On August 22 2012 01:17 mca64[KDV] wrote:
so much grama here. I dont like idea only B rankers from previous ASL. If they allowed why not other b rankers, cause its looks unfair - 2 gamers has higest chance to win at start. Tourney for yellows ranks, but there are exception... looks strange. For me it doeasnt matters if they are allowed or not, cause i will win it anyway. I just understand others sayin its verry unfair for rest players in this tourney Once again, this has already been justified more than once. Please guys, read a couple comments before you post... It's made that way because it's absolutely stupid to punish someone for working at everything the league stands for which is improvement. Given that the league stands for getting players active, helping them improve, it doesn't make sense to allow players who are stagnating entirely due to their own lack of interest in improving. Are they the same skill? Maybe Are they similar situations? Not at all Given the nature of the league, establishing a clear cealing and cutting off players who did well in season 1 would ensure the failure of any future strive for improvement for league purposes. Players would just sit at the max rank and watch to make sure no one got in who was above. This is proven, I mean... If you look at DRTL, none of the top players would dare ladder into the C- ranks even though some of their records suggest that they could. Yes, in the future, the skill cap will be re-established to C+, which is another reason why we can't allow any B- players in who weren't previously admitted. However, in order to accomplish this, we need to need there to be another level of tournaments worth playing for between C+ and the top level which is a huge leap. In conclusion, it's really simple... Until we are able to establish an alternative for player who excel, we're going to keep them in the ASL. It does not make sense at all to discourage people from pushing their boundaries simply due to the fact they may not get admitted. Uhm, hello? Defiler tours, ISL? Those can help them improve if they want to. These tournaments have pretty good money prizes as well and they can compete with players closer to their skill level. Wouldn't that make more sense than bashing C level nubs? How can they improve by beating players that are not as skilled as them? Sorry, but I don't understand your point of view. Punish the kids who worked harder than you. Sounds fair.
On August 16 2012 09:07 Shotcoder wrote:
This is kind of a pointless cut off.
On August 16 2012 07:19 Shotcoder wrote:
Ah so Arbitrary rules cover the other arbitrary rules. Gotcha!
Right...
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On August 22 2012 02:09 BulgarianToss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 01:56 Eywa- wrote:On August 22 2012 01:17 mca64[KDV] wrote:
so much grama here. I dont like idea only B rankers from previous ASL. If they allowed why not other b rankers, cause its looks unfair - 2 gamers has higest chance to win at start. Tourney for yellows ranks, but there are exception... looks strange. For me it doeasnt matters if they are allowed or not, cause i will win it anyway. I just understand others sayin its verry unfair for rest players in this tourney Once again, this has already been justified more than once. Please guys, read a couple comments before you post... It's made that way because it's absolutely stupid to punish someone for working at everything the league stands for which is improvement. Given that the league stands for getting players active, helping them improve, it doesn't make sense to allow players who are stagnating entirely due to their own lack of interest in improving. Are they the same skill? Maybe Are they similar situations? Not at all Given the nature of the league, establishing a clear cealing and cutting off players who did well in season 1 would ensure the failure of any future strive for improvement for league purposes. Players would just sit at the max rank and watch to make sure no one got in who was above. This is proven, I mean... If you look at DRTL, none of the top players would dare ladder into the C- ranks even though some of their records suggest that they could. Yes, in the future, the skill cap will be re-established to C+, which is another reason why we can't allow any B- players in who weren't previously admitted. However, in order to accomplish this, we need to need there to be another level of tournaments worth playing for between C+ and the top level which is a huge leap. In conclusion, it's really simple... Until we are able to establish an alternative for player who excel, we're going to keep them in the ASL. It does not make sense at all to discourage people from pushing their boundaries simply due to the fact they may not get admitted. Uhm, hello? Defiler tours, ISL? Those can help them improve if they want to. These tournaments have pretty good money prizes as well and they can compete with players closer to their skill level. Wouldn't that make more sense than bashing C level nubs? How can they improve by beating players that are not as skilled as them? Sorry, but I don't understand your point of view.
WandS was C+ when he started ASL, and he lost in the group stage to fold I believe... There's really no reason for you still being C+ and him being B- other than he played 50+ times the amount of games you did in the same time span... Rather than complaining that he's still in it, you should be kicking yourself for not putting in the effort you need (assuming you're playing to win which your posts suggest you are).
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