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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 23:18:10
August 18 2012 23:17 GMT
#61
On August 19 2012 08:05 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 08:00 Eywa- wrote:
On August 19 2012 06:06 hacklebeast wrote:
On August 19 2012 05:41 Birdie wrote:
On August 18 2012 20:02 Birdie wrote:
This count is equal to double the amount of skill categories, thus, give the players who were assigned lower positions sufficient time to climb back up if they have the skill requirement to qualify.

What does "the amount of skill categories" mean? In your example, even if Elegant was the best player in the group, he would have to play and win 4 games without losing a single one to make it out of the group stage.



Would still like an answer >.>


Depending on the order of the wins and losses, elegant could go 4-7 and still make it out, or go 9-2 and not make it out. (if I understand it correctly)

This is entirely true, if you went 9-2 (and the 2 were your last 2 games)... then you would be out. However, the guy who had gone 9-0 has a much better chance of winning one of his last 2 games than the guy who went 0-7 trying to win his last 4.


wow if I went 9-2 and got eliminated I'd be mortified.

Consider the first bunch of games to be entirely for placement, they have no other value (which is needed or else the randomly assigned start locations are unfair)... Then the last couple are the ones that really count. No matter what your previous score, if you finish 0-2, guaranteed elimination from the tournament.

However, this is kind of considered unlikely.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 23:37:56
August 18 2012 23:24 GMT
#62
On August 19 2012 07:58 Eywa- wrote:
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On August 19 2012 06:26 Jonoman92 wrote:
I'm a bit confused. Do I bother applying if I've gotten to B before or does that make me ineligible?

What's your current skill level?


I'm at C with a 50/50 win ratio.

http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/Jonoman92.html
mca64[KDV]
Profile Joined May 2012
Poland463 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 23:35:48
August 18 2012 23:30 GMT
#63
i think up and down system is unfair. Someone who give his best to get 9;0 later get tired i get twice rushed and is out of tournament, and also there is possiblity that he had won games vs these opponets earlier.

FRom my perspective my last games will be hard, cause i just will be tired. Even if i give my best vs good imba toss and won vs him at early stage i know that at final stage i wouldnt win vs him...
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 23:35:02
August 18 2012 23:34 GMT
#64
On August 19 2012 08:30 mca64[KDV] wrote:
i think up and down system is unfair. Someone who give his best to get 9;0 later get tired i get twice rushed and is out of tournament, and also there is possiblity that he had won games vs these opponets earlier.

You can say that about any bracket format, someone can go 10-0 against someone in ladder, show up in Ro32 against the same person and lose 0-2 to ling allin or hydra bust... They'd be out as well. The reason there are so many games is so that the bracket is balanced, if someone starts up in the 5th tier, they have to be given enough time to climb up to the top tier.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
mca64[KDV]
Profile Joined May 2012
Poland463 Posts
August 18 2012 23:49 GMT
#65
Eywa- read my update
Shimy
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States771 Posts
August 19 2012 00:04 GMT
#66
On August 19 2012 00:12 TheShimmy wrote:
So Im confused, what skill levels can play in this? Anything in C?


Yes. C-/C/C+. If the 'allowing players that played in the previous tournament to come back' part confuses you, it's because due to their improvement and what this league had done for a lot of them, I felt it would be downright wrong of me to deny them the chance to compete in this again.

On August 19 2012 00:12 i am plus wrote:
so theres no more ladder for quli?oo

Nope! Trying to be original, this ASL will feature the new up and down format. Ladder was a fun QF, but this definitely will separate the good from the really good. The Ro32 will be amazingly good competition!

On August 19 2012 05:41 Birdie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 20:02 Birdie wrote:
This count is equal to double the amount of skill categories, thus, give the players who were assigned lower positions sufficient time to climb back up if they have the skill requirement to qualify.

What does "the amount of skill categories" mean? In your example, even if Elegant was the best player in the group, he would have to play and win 4 games without losing a single one to make it out of the group stage.



Would still like an answer >.>


Hacklebeast and Eywa- already answered this, but I thought I'd try to give an illustration of the whole qualifier for others as well:

Get 10 pieces of paper and make two columns of 5. So you have 5 going down and two across. Now label of the 5 tiers 1-5. Each person will play the person next to them in the tier. The winner moves up a tier(Or stays where he/she is if on top) and the loser moves down a tier(Or stays where he/she is if on bottom). This is repeated 10 times. Say if 100 people sign up and each group is 10 people like I illustrated here, then you want to be top 3 of your group in order to advance.

On August 19 2012 08:30 mca64[KDV] wrote:
i think up and down system is unfair. Someone who give his best to get 9;0 later get tired i get twice rushed and is out of tournament, and also there is possiblity that he had won games vs these opponets earlier.

FRom my perspective my last games will be hard, cause i just will be tired. Even if i give my best vs good imba toss and won vs him at early stage i know that at final stage i wouldnt win vs him...


Possibly save some energy to begin with? There's a few strategies you could take with this format... Should be interesting. I'm starting to see that not only will people have to be gosu, but it'll be a battle of stamina too! Should allow the best of the best to move on ^^
Eywa-: "What would it take in order for there to be an upset?" Largo: "The players of sas got cancer and died, what else could happen?"
mca64[KDV]
Profile Joined May 2012
Poland463 Posts
August 19 2012 00:05 GMT
#67
and what if there is 8 p, 2 z and 1 t + me t in group

and i cant win vs this teran cause i cant play vs his style, but vs others (if there was each vs each) i would won. In that situation i will stuck and dont advance cause i cant beat this terran (even if he would lost all games except vs me if there was each vs each)


dont know if i corectly understand this up and down system, but for me isnt goosd. Just my thoughts, who cares
dr.shrinker
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway369 Posts
August 19 2012 00:07 GMT
#68
Win the games and you're good to go. No need to focus on anything else.
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
August 19 2012 00:10 GMT
#69
The system is fair. You may not like it because you think that you will get tiered, but everyone will be playing for the same amount of time. It's like if I was to say that a ladder system is unfair because I work 12 hours a day 7 days a week so I don't have time for a ladder.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
August 19 2012 00:18 GMT
#70
My question was mostly about the meaning of "amount of skill categories", as I still don't understand how many games will be played by each player. If there are ten players in a group, does that mean they play ten games?
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
August 19 2012 00:19 GMT
#71
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Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
August 19 2012 00:19 GMT
#72
On August 19 2012 09:10 hacklebeast wrote:
The system is fair. You may not like it because you think that you will get tiered, but everyone will be playing for the same amount of time. It's like if I was to say that a ladder system is unfair because I work 12 hours a day 7 days a week so I don't have time for a ladder.

And somehow you still find the time to cast, you're truly a hero.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-19 00:28:23
August 19 2012 00:26 GMT
#73
On August 19 2012 09:18 Birdie wrote:
My question was mostly about the meaning of "amount of skill categories", as I still don't understand how many games will be played by each player. If there are ten players in a group, does that mean they play ten games?


"skill categories" are the tiers. The number of games each player plays is the number of people in the group (unless there are an odd number of players, then it is rounded up to the next even number). The exception is that there will be 2 people in the 3/4th spot at the end, so those two players have to play one more game against each other.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
mca64[KDV]
Profile Joined May 2012
Poland463 Posts
August 19 2012 00:43 GMT
#74
On August 19 2012 09:10 hacklebeast wrote:
The system is fair. You may not like it because you think that you will get tiered, but everyone will be playing for the same amount of time. It's like if I was to say that a ladder system is unfair because I work 12 hours a day 7 days a week so I don't have time for a ladder.



not everyone is a teen and can play for few hours at the same level. Few years ago i could but know i sux after few games i hope its bo1
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-19 01:38:30
August 19 2012 01:37 GMT
#75
On August 19 2012 09:19 krndandaman wrote:
I'm just wondering how the time will work.
Will all the games be played in one sitting? I'm imagining this will take a long time (having to wait for others to finish games and the games themselves). A lot of people have unalterable work/classes/other obligations so I'm wondering if the timing will work; especially for such a large group of people.

I believe the OP says 2 sittings, 5 games a piece (so you'll only have 3 games before the truly important ones, I doubt anyone can be truly exhausted after that, and if you think you will be, then it would be wise to come up with a plan that would incorporate some strategies that won't tax you as much in the earlier games.

Everyone has other commitments, a common misconception among players is that they are the only ones with other commitments, organizers, referees, casters and every single player have other commitments. However, generally, it is possible for people to schedule a weekend of brood war if need be. 5 games on a given day is not a huge amount, however, if we end up with a Jumper vs Dewalt scenario, I wouldn't want to be the player waiting (Nor playing for that matter, the players in game would actually be more disadvantaged than the ones waiting).
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
August 19 2012 01:43 GMT
#76
On August 19 2012 10:37 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 09:19 krndandaman wrote:
I'm just wondering how the time will work.
Will all the games be played in one sitting? I'm imagining this will take a long time (having to wait for others to finish games and the games themselves). A lot of people have unalterable work/classes/other obligations so I'm wondering if the timing will work; especially for such a large group of people.

I believe the OP says 2 sittings, 5 games a piece (so you'll only have 3 games before the truly important ones, I doubt anyone can be truly exhausted after that, and if you think you will be, then it would be wise to come up with a plan that would incorporate some strategies that won't tax you as much in the earlier games.

Everyone has other commitments, a common misconception among players is that they are the only ones with other commitments, organizers, referees, casters and every single player have other commitments. However, generally, it is possible for people to schedule a weekend of brood war if need be. 5 games on a given day is not a huge amount, however, if we end up with a Jumper vs Dewalt scenario, I wouldn't want to be the player waiting (Nor playing for that matter, the players in game would actually be more disadvantaged than the ones waiting).

Stopped reading, I'm sold on the format. This league is after my heart, or some organ.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 19 2012 01:55 GMT
#77
On August 19 2012 10:43 Game wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 10:37 Eywa- wrote:
On August 19 2012 09:19 krndandaman wrote:
I'm just wondering how the time will work.
Will all the games be played in one sitting? I'm imagining this will take a long time (having to wait for others to finish games and the games themselves). A lot of people have unalterable work/classes/other obligations so I'm wondering if the timing will work; especially for such a large group of people.

I believe the OP says 2 sittings, 5 games a piece (so you'll only have 3 games before the truly important ones, I doubt anyone can be truly exhausted after that, and if you think you will be, then it would be wise to come up with a plan that would incorporate some strategies that won't tax you as much in the earlier games.

Everyone has other commitments, a common misconception among players is that they are the only ones with other commitments, organizers, referees, casters and every single player have other commitments. However, generally, it is possible for people to schedule a weekend of brood war if need be. 5 games on a given day is not a huge amount, however, if we end up with a Jumper vs Dewalt scenario, I wouldn't want to be the player waiting (Nor playing for that matter, the players in game would actually be more disadvantaged than the ones waiting).

Stopped reading, I'm sold on the format. This league is after my heart, or some organ.

I really think he needs to serve free pizza and beer as well to get me sold to that extent.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
August 19 2012 02:02 GMT
#78
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Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
August 19 2012 02:18 GMT
#79
On August 19 2012 10:55 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 10:43 Game wrote:
On August 19 2012 10:37 Eywa- wrote:
On August 19 2012 09:19 krndandaman wrote:
I'm just wondering how the time will work.
Will all the games be played in one sitting? I'm imagining this will take a long time (having to wait for others to finish games and the games themselves). A lot of people have unalterable work/classes/other obligations so I'm wondering if the timing will work; especially for such a large group of people.

I believe the OP says 2 sittings, 5 games a piece (so you'll only have 3 games before the truly important ones, I doubt anyone can be truly exhausted after that, and if you think you will be, then it would be wise to come up with a plan that would incorporate some strategies that won't tax you as much in the earlier games.

Everyone has other commitments, a common misconception among players is that they are the only ones with other commitments, organizers, referees, casters and every single player have other commitments. However, generally, it is possible for people to schedule a weekend of brood war if need be. 5 games on a given day is not a huge amount, however, if we end up with a Jumper vs Dewalt scenario, I wouldn't want to be the player waiting (Nor playing for that matter, the players in game would actually be more disadvantaged than the ones waiting).

Stopped reading, I'm sold on the format. This league is after my heart, or some organ.

I really think he needs to serve free pizza and beer as well to get me sold to that extent.

Inb4 Winter Euro LAN 2013.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria487 Posts
August 19 2012 12:18 GMT
#80
Uhm guys I just want to say this is awesome and thank you for making this. Especially the sponsors, this is very generous of you. Very nice prize pool for C rankers, Hopefully this will pick up BW activity a bit. I already registered and sent an email, but I was just wondering whether I should send a small rep pack again or not. I mean nothing has really changed since last ASL and I remember we had to send a rep pack back then as well. I was basically inactive after the ASL finished and now with the YSL and ASL I started playing again. I think the same might be true for others. I will make another one and send it if needed, but yeah -.-.. I gues all I am trying to say is I am too lazy and i'm not B- yet so don't worry T-T
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