It's that time again! We're back with second installation of the NoisE Amateur StarLeague. Where mid rank players test their skills at the most prestigious competition devoted to them! This season will be better than ever with a new format that offers unique and exciting Brood War to happen. Follow this thread for more information and remember...
Make... Some... NoisE!!!!!
Firstly, due to the vast improvement over the course of the last tournament, all players that were registered and accepted into the previous StarLeague are eligible for season 2.
I want to re-accept people who improve through the league in order to establish a progression of skill as opposed to a skill ceiling. Evidentally, once the pool of players who have progressed becomes large enough or their skill allows them to play in higher up leagues, they will be separated in from the league. For this reason, already existing B- skill players will not have access and will be forced to wait until sufficient players have moved onto that level for the division into two tournaments if such a day comes where it is viable. All the returning players are still required to sign up via email.
How to sign up:
You will need to send the following information to ASL2Register@gmail.com:
Most well-known ID: Race*: Your MAX achieved rank: IP address**: Easiest form of contact***:
Attach to the email 2 games per match up of yourself.(Replays 10 minutes or longer)
*The match ups you will using throughout the tournament. If you list any excess matchups that you do not use, you will be DQ'd **IP address is used for counter abuse purposes only. It will not be shared with anyone. ***This is so I can send reminders and updates to you about the league. This literally needs to be something you check everyday i.e. Skype, TL.net, etc The start date is September 1st at 18:00 GMT (+00:00)
Stated in the video above, this season's qualifiers are unique and haven't really been done before in foreign BW. It's a qualifier called Up and Down.
The Up and Down format is a tournament format that supports a relatively small player count, for this reason, the qualifiers will be split into several pools of players. These 10 pools will be randomly assigned and will have players presented in a random order.
Within each pool, there will be a simultaneous number of games running equal to player count divided by two. If the number of players in a group is an odd number, the player in the last division will get a bye every round.
When players are assigned to their pools, they will also be given a placement number which represents their starting placement in the qualifier, a #1 would represent a first place start position whereas a #10 would present a 5th tier start location. These will be randomly assigned and will determine the innitial line up.
In order to qualify for the NoisE ASL 2, a player must finish in a top 3 position. One tier is gained per win and one is lost per defeat. In the end, the top 3 will consist of the players in tier 1 at the final game and the winner of tier 2 in the final game. The amount of games to be played per group will be equal to the amount of players in the group.
This count is equal to double the amount of skill categories, thus, give the players who were assigned lower positions sufficient time to climb back up if they have the skill requirement to qualify.
As seen in the example, with the exception of the first and last tier, every player is guaranteed to be playing the next game against the player who was previously either 2 below or 2 above.
All games for a group will be played over the course of one weekend, half will be played on the Saturday and the other half at the same time on the Sunday.
These maps will be used throughout the entirety of the tournament. Please download this map pack. If players host and play on incorrect versions of these maps, they will be disqualified.
1)All players are subject to administrative discretion.
2)All players are to sign up via email. No other source.
3)Bad manner directed towards fellow participants and/or ASL staff will result in a ban.
4)All games will be played on the Fish server in op ASL2.
5)All players must use minilauncer or chaoslauncher.
6)All replays of this stage must be sent to NoisEASL2@gmail.com. Failure to do this will mean DQ.
7)Players are required to make an ASL2 account in order to play their games e.g. ASL2.Shimy, ASL2-Shimy, ASL2)Shimy, etc
8) No Korean IP's will be allowed.
9) Players are required to send their IP address to league officials upon request.
10) Players are required to send replays of their games to league officials upon request.
11) If a player is experiencing an unplayable quantity of lag, they must leave the game before the two minute mark. Beyond this point, the player will be forced to play out the set.
12) Lag and IP conflicts will be handled on a case to case basis at the official's discretion.
13) If a player cannot play his match due to personal time issues, that player needs to contact ASL staff 72 hours beforehand and then their opponent 48 before their match to either PP the match or play early. Upon proof via screenshot of contact back and forth between player and opponent, the referee handling the case will then assign a date and time to be played, earlier or later than set time, at a time of mutual availability.
14) If a player does not show up within 15 minutes of the set game time, their opponent is given a W.O. victory. Technical issues do not apply and are done case by case by ASL officials.
15) If incorrect versions of the maps are used, the player will be DQ'd.
Total Prize Pool: $600 First Place: $400 Second Place: $150 Third Place: $50
Our Amazing Sponsors
NoisE, Reclusive, and Sayle!
None of this could have been possible without every single one of them. They are truly amazing people and deserve so much credit for their hard work and support of not only foreign BW, but the mid ranks themselves. Please show some love to each of them.
Sponsors: NoisE, Reclusive, and Sayle Organization: Shimy Casters:EleGant & Hacklebeast Staff: Quirinus and Eywa- Graphics: Shiroiusagi
On August 18 2012 11:10 ninazerg wrote: Why isn't wlauncher allowed?
Chaos launcher and minilauncher are used and known to be almost impossible to hack(to my knowledge). Both are excellent launchers and are easy to get. There would be no reason to use wlauncher and complaints would be trivial.
On August 18 2012 11:10 ninazerg wrote: Why isn't wlauncher allowed?
Chaos launcher and minilauncher are used and known to be almost impossible to hack(to my knowledge). Both are excellent launchers and are easy to get. There would be no reason to use wlauncher and complaints would be trivial.
Actually, minilauncher was getting hacked like crazy last season on Fish, so almost everyone there switched over to wlauncher because there were so many drophacks being used.
On August 18 2012 11:10 ninazerg wrote: Why isn't wlauncher allowed?
Chaos launcher and minilauncher are used and known to be almost impossible to hack(to my knowledge). Both are excellent launchers and are easy to get. There would be no reason to use wlauncher and complaints would be trivial.
Actually, minilauncher was getting hacked like crazy last season on Fish, so almost everyone there switched over to wlauncher because there were so many drophacks being used.
While you're insistent on causing pointless drama here, it's a moot point because it's highly unlikely that anyone uses wlauncher and it's highly unlikely that anyone gets in trouble for using wlauncher. You're digging where there's no gold...
On August 18 2012 11:10 ninazerg wrote: Why isn't wlauncher allowed?
Chaos launcher and minilauncher are used and known to be almost impossible to hack(to my knowledge). Both are excellent launchers and are easy to get. There would be no reason to use wlauncher and complaints would be trivial.
Actually, minilauncher was getting hacked like crazy last season on Fish, so almost everyone there switched over to wlauncher because there were so many drophacks being used.
While you're insistent on causing pointless drama here, it's a moot point because it's highly unlikely that anyone uses wlauncher and it's highly unlikely that anyone gets in trouble for using wlauncher. You're digging where there's no gold...
I'm not causing drama, I'm just asking a simple question and having a discussion on a public forum. I'm just saying that I think wlauncher should be allowed as a 3rd-party program along with minilauncher and chaoslauncher.
On August 18 2012 11:10 ninazerg wrote: Why isn't wlauncher allowed?
Chaos launcher and minilauncher are used and known to be almost impossible to hack(to my knowledge). Both are excellent launchers and are easy to get. There would be no reason to use wlauncher and complaints would be trivial.
actually its commonly known to koreans that chaos launcher is the easiest to hack third party program of the three, mini launcher is the 2nd.
Most of them will use wLauncher because of this.
edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-?
On August 18 2012 11:10 ninazerg wrote: Why isn't wlauncher allowed?
Chaos launcher and minilauncher are used and known to be almost impossible to hack(to my knowledge). Both are excellent launchers and are easy to get. There would be no reason to use wlauncher and complaints would be trivial.
actually its commonly known to koreans that chaos launcher is the easiest to hack third party program of the three, mini launcher is the 2nd.
Most of them will use wLauncher because of this.
edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-?
Ah yes, it's finally official! This format should be interesting, I think it's bold to attempt something different. Let's go. Here's to a team AoV and team Fox all top twenty finish
lol Mote =D So it won't be C tour anymore I see, that's fine since u didnt name it like 'd rank tour' and there is bunch of C-/C users . Also I am using wlauncher cause I had problems with install the other fish launchers It should be allowed, at least for me XD
On August 18 2012 15:41 Game wrote: Dat 4-2 dismantling...
4-2 is misleading if you saw the games, rush wasn't even macroing well and still won they didn't look at all close in skill. wands looked really desperate, especially when you consider rush barely had any games played and wands played a shitton. I also think that this C ranks tour thing can be abused in this fashion if people are b-/+ level yet they are not laddering past C+ in iccup so they can continue to play in these tours.
Wow this is so epic and huge for the bw foreign scene, thanks so much for hosting this , thanks to the sponsors, casters and everyone involved, this is quite easily the most epic BW tournament i've seen in awhile. Thanks for all of you're hard work, it's paying off!!
This count is equal to double the amount of skill categories, thus, give the players who were assigned lower positions sufficient time to climb back up if they have the skill requirement to qualify.
What does "the amount of skill categories" mean? In your example, even if Elegant was the best player in the group, he would have to play and win 4 games without losing a single one to make it out of the group stage.
Map pool released in the OP! Gogo! Also, it's important to download the map pack in the OP, players can receive a DQ for using incorrect versions of the maps.
yeah, rush did rape wands pretty one handedly. bio vs P and still coming out 4-2. Wands played like what 200 games to get b-, and rush is probably at least b? xD
This count is equal to double the amount of skill categories, thus, give the players who were assigned lower positions sufficient time to climb back up if they have the skill requirement to qualify.
What does "the amount of skill categories" mean? In your example, even if Elegant was the best player in the group, he would have to play and win 4 games without losing a single one to make it out of the group stage.
This count is equal to double the amount of skill categories, thus, give the players who were assigned lower positions sufficient time to climb back up if they have the skill requirement to qualify.
What does "the amount of skill categories" mean? In your example, even if Elegant was the best player in the group, he would have to play and win 4 games without losing a single one to make it out of the group stage.
Would still like an answer >.>
Depending on the order of the wins and losses, elegant could go 4-7 and still make it out, or go 9-2 and not make it out. (if I understand it correctly)
This count is equal to double the amount of skill categories, thus, give the players who were assigned lower positions sufficient time to climb back up if they have the skill requirement to qualify.
What does "the amount of skill categories" mean? In your example, even if Elegant was the best player in the group, he would have to play and win 4 games without losing a single one to make it out of the group stage.
Would still like an answer >.>
Depending on the order of the wins and losses, elegant could go 4-7 and still make it out, or go 9-2 and not make it out. (if I understand it correctly)
This is entirely true, if you went 9-2 (and the 2 were your last 2 games)... then you would be out. However, the guy who had gone 9-0 has a much better chance of winning one of his last 2 games than the guy who went 0-7 trying to win his last 4.
On August 19 2012 06:46 fabiano wrote: jesus fucking christ so many BW events sprouting lately and right when I can't possibly spend too much time watching any of it, so tempting
This count is equal to double the amount of skill categories, thus, give the players who were assigned lower positions sufficient time to climb back up if they have the skill requirement to qualify.
What does "the amount of skill categories" mean? In your example, even if Elegant was the best player in the group, he would have to play and win 4 games without losing a single one to make it out of the group stage.
Would still like an answer >.>
Depending on the order of the wins and losses, elegant could go 4-7 and still make it out, or go 9-2 and not make it out. (if I understand it correctly)
This is entirely true, if you went 9-2 (and the 2 were your last 2 games)... then you would be out. However, the guy who had gone 9-0 has a much better chance of winning one of his last 2 games than the guy who went 0-7 trying to win his last 4.
wow if I went 9-2 and got eliminated I'd be mortified.
Consider the first bunch of games to be entirely for placement, they have no other value (which is needed or else the randomly assigned start locations are unfair)... Then the last couple are the ones that really count. No matter what your previous score, if you finish 0-2, guaranteed elimination from the tournament.
i think up and down system is unfair. Someone who give his best to get 9;0 later get tired i get twice rushed and is out of tournament, and also there is possiblity that he had won games vs these opponets earlier.
FRom my perspective my last games will be hard, cause i just will be tired. Even if i give my best vs good imba toss and won vs him at early stage i know that at final stage i wouldnt win vs him...
On August 19 2012 08:30 mca64[KDV] wrote: i think up and down system is unfair. Someone who give his best to get 9;0 later get tired i get twice rushed and is out of tournament, and also there is possiblity that he had won games vs these opponets earlier.
You can say that about any bracket format, someone can go 10-0 against someone in ladder, show up in Ro32 against the same person and lose 0-2 to ling allin or hydra bust... They'd be out as well. The reason there are so many games is so that the bracket is balanced, if someone starts up in the 5th tier, they have to be given enough time to climb up to the top tier.
On August 19 2012 00:12 TheShimmy wrote: So Im confused, what skill levels can play in this? Anything in C?
Yes. C-/C/C+. If the 'allowing players that played in the previous tournament to come back' part confuses you, it's because due to their improvement and what this league had done for a lot of them, I felt it would be downright wrong of me to deny them the chance to compete in this again.
On August 19 2012 00:12 i am plus wrote: so theres no more ladder for quli?oo
Nope! Trying to be original, this ASL will feature the new up and down format. Ladder was a fun QF, but this definitely will separate the good from the really good. The Ro32 will be amazingly good competition!
This count is equal to double the amount of skill categories, thus, give the players who were assigned lower positions sufficient time to climb back up if they have the skill requirement to qualify.
What does "the amount of skill categories" mean? In your example, even if Elegant was the best player in the group, he would have to play and win 4 games without losing a single one to make it out of the group stage.
Would still like an answer >.>
Hacklebeast and Eywa- already answered this, but I thought I'd try to give an illustration of the whole qualifier for others as well:
Get 10 pieces of paper and make two columns of 5. So you have 5 going down and two across. Now label of the 5 tiers 1-5. Each person will play the person next to them in the tier. The winner moves up a tier(Or stays where he/she is if on top) and the loser moves down a tier(Or stays where he/she is if on bottom). This is repeated 10 times. Say if 100 people sign up and each group is 10 people like I illustrated here, then you want to be top 3 of your group in order to advance.
On August 19 2012 08:30 mca64[KDV] wrote: i think up and down system is unfair. Someone who give his best to get 9;0 later get tired i get twice rushed and is out of tournament, and also there is possiblity that he had won games vs these opponets earlier.
FRom my perspective my last games will be hard, cause i just will be tired. Even if i give my best vs good imba toss and won vs him at early stage i know that at final stage i wouldnt win vs him...
Possibly save some energy to begin with? There's a few strategies you could take with this format... Should be interesting. I'm starting to see that not only will people have to be gosu, but it'll be a battle of stamina too! Should allow the best of the best to move on ^^
and what if there is 8 p, 2 z and 1 t + me t in group
and i cant win vs this teran cause i cant play vs his style, but vs others (if there was each vs each) i would won. In that situation i will stuck and dont advance cause i cant beat this terran (even if he would lost all games except vs me if there was each vs each)
dont know if i corectly understand this up and down system, but for me isnt goosd. Just my thoughts, who cares
The system is fair. You may not like it because you think that you will get tiered, but everyone will be playing for the same amount of time. It's like if I was to say that a ladder system is unfair because I work 12 hours a day 7 days a week so I don't have time for a ladder.
My question was mostly about the meaning of "amount of skill categories", as I still don't understand how many games will be played by each player. If there are ten players in a group, does that mean they play ten games?
On August 19 2012 09:10 hacklebeast wrote: The system is fair. You may not like it because you think that you will get tiered, but everyone will be playing for the same amount of time. It's like if I was to say that a ladder system is unfair because I work 12 hours a day 7 days a week so I don't have time for a ladder.
And somehow you still find the time to cast, you're truly a hero.
On August 19 2012 09:18 Birdie wrote: My question was mostly about the meaning of "amount of skill categories", as I still don't understand how many games will be played by each player. If there are ten players in a group, does that mean they play ten games?
"skill categories" are the tiers. The number of games each player plays is the number of people in the group (unless there are an odd number of players, then it is rounded up to the next even number). The exception is that there will be 2 people in the 3/4th spot at the end, so those two players have to play one more game against each other.
On August 19 2012 09:10 hacklebeast wrote: The system is fair. You may not like it because you think that you will get tiered, but everyone will be playing for the same amount of time. It's like if I was to say that a ladder system is unfair because I work 12 hours a day 7 days a week so I don't have time for a ladder.
not everyone is a teen and can play for few hours at the same level. Few years ago i could but know i sux after few games i hope its bo1
On August 19 2012 09:19 krndandaman wrote: I'm just wondering how the time will work. Will all the games be played in one sitting? I'm imagining this will take a long time (having to wait for others to finish games and the games themselves). A lot of people have unalterable work/classes/other obligations so I'm wondering if the timing will work; especially for such a large group of people.
I believe the OP says 2 sittings, 5 games a piece (so you'll only have 3 games before the truly important ones, I doubt anyone can be truly exhausted after that, and if you think you will be, then it would be wise to come up with a plan that would incorporate some strategies that won't tax you as much in the earlier games.
Everyone has other commitments, a common misconception among players is that they are the only ones with other commitments, organizers, referees, casters and every single player have other commitments. However, generally, it is possible for people to schedule a weekend of brood war if need be. 5 games on a given day is not a huge amount, however, if we end up with a Jumper vs Dewalt scenario, I wouldn't want to be the player waiting (Nor playing for that matter, the players in game would actually be more disadvantaged than the ones waiting).
On August 19 2012 09:19 krndandaman wrote: I'm just wondering how the time will work. Will all the games be played in one sitting? I'm imagining this will take a long time (having to wait for others to finish games and the games themselves). A lot of people have unalterable work/classes/other obligations so I'm wondering if the timing will work; especially for such a large group of people.
I believe the OP says 2 sittings, 5 games a piece (so you'll only have 3 games before the truly important ones, I doubt anyone can be truly exhausted after that, and if you think you will be, then it would be wise to come up with a plan that would incorporate some strategies that won't tax you as much in the earlier games.
Everyone has other commitments, a common misconception among players is that they are the only ones with other commitments, organizers, referees, casters and every single player have other commitments. However, generally, it is possible for people to schedule a weekend of brood war if need be. 5 games on a given day is not a huge amount, however, if we end up with a Jumper vs Dewalt scenario, I wouldn't want to be the player waiting (Nor playing for that matter, the players in game would actually be more disadvantaged than the ones waiting).
Stopped reading, I'm sold on the format. This league is after my heart, or some organ.
On August 19 2012 09:19 krndandaman wrote: I'm just wondering how the time will work. Will all the games be played in one sitting? I'm imagining this will take a long time (having to wait for others to finish games and the games themselves). A lot of people have unalterable work/classes/other obligations so I'm wondering if the timing will work; especially for such a large group of people.
I believe the OP says 2 sittings, 5 games a piece (so you'll only have 3 games before the truly important ones, I doubt anyone can be truly exhausted after that, and if you think you will be, then it would be wise to come up with a plan that would incorporate some strategies that won't tax you as much in the earlier games.
Everyone has other commitments, a common misconception among players is that they are the only ones with other commitments, organizers, referees, casters and every single player have other commitments. However, generally, it is possible for people to schedule a weekend of brood war if need be. 5 games on a given day is not a huge amount, however, if we end up with a Jumper vs Dewalt scenario, I wouldn't want to be the player waiting (Nor playing for that matter, the players in game would actually be more disadvantaged than the ones waiting).
Stopped reading, I'm sold on the format. This league is after my heart, or some organ.
I really think he needs to serve free pizza and beer as well to get me sold to that extent.
On August 19 2012 09:19 krndandaman wrote: I'm just wondering how the time will work. Will all the games be played in one sitting? I'm imagining this will take a long time (having to wait for others to finish games and the games themselves). A lot of people have unalterable work/classes/other obligations so I'm wondering if the timing will work; especially for such a large group of people.
I believe the OP says 2 sittings, 5 games a piece (so you'll only have 3 games before the truly important ones, I doubt anyone can be truly exhausted after that, and if you think you will be, then it would be wise to come up with a plan that would incorporate some strategies that won't tax you as much in the earlier games.
Everyone has other commitments, a common misconception among players is that they are the only ones with other commitments, organizers, referees, casters and every single player have other commitments. However, generally, it is possible for people to schedule a weekend of brood war if need be. 5 games on a given day is not a huge amount, however, if we end up with a Jumper vs Dewalt scenario, I wouldn't want to be the player waiting (Nor playing for that matter, the players in game would actually be more disadvantaged than the ones waiting).
Stopped reading, I'm sold on the format. This league is after my heart, or some organ.
I really think he needs to serve free pizza and beer as well to get me sold to that extent.
Uhm guys I just want to say this is awesome and thank you for making this. Especially the sponsors, this is very generous of you. Very nice prize pool for C rankers, Hopefully this will pick up BW activity a bit. I already registered and sent an email, but I was just wondering whether I should send a small rep pack again or not. I mean nothing has really changed since last ASL and I remember we had to send a rep pack back then as well. I was basically inactive after the ASL finished and now with the YSL and ASL I started playing again. I think the same might be true for others. I will make another one and send it if needed, but yeah -.-.. I gues all I am trying to say is I am too lazy and i'm not B- yet so don't worry T-T
I like the format a lot, but it will be hard for players to organize, then again, this is the ASL, so high stakes. Man Im pumped for all the Foreign BW that keeps coming out. Like, I really really am excited. I knew there was a lot of fight in this dog.
On August 19 2012 23:46 TheShimmy wrote: I like the format a lot, but it will be hard for players to organize, then again, this is the ASL, so high stakes. Man Im pumped for all the Foreign BW that keeps coming out. Like, I really really am excited. I knew there was a lot of fight in this dog.
I love your enthusiasm, sir! I and my staff hope to present the best possible league we can! :D
On August 20 2012 01:57 Mewka wrote: happy birthday dude :D
Grr.... This isn't my birthday LOL Sorry :S Old Shimy didn't use his actual birth date
On August 20 2012 01:31 WandS wrote: Happy Birthday Shimy! Thank you again for hosting another tournament.
On August 18 2012 15:25 dRaW wrote: edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-?
On August 18 2012 15:25 dRaW wrote: edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-?
No idea why both of you ask a question when the answer is clearly stated in the OP, but yes, he's eligible. Hasn't replied to anything I've sent him.
serious now. Big prize pool like now must attract some good players, who havent played for long times. For them its a matter of time to get skills back and none will prove they real aka... unless romad(?) will check them did he still alive?
For Rush situation i play terran and i know how hard is tvp, rush said he plays few months with terran... but nevermind
On August 21 2012 08:58 i am plus wrote: in the mappack for this the sniper ridge map is so outta date, the minerals at the expos are facing the cliff and not the end of the map
Hmm, interesting. That's the latest one on the Kespa site I believe. Let me check it out really quick.
Ah, you seem to be correct. I sincerely apologize for the inconvenience and am fixing it as we speak.
Sorry for the slight mishap! The new map pack is updated in the OP and includes the newest version of Sniper Ridge. Please be sure to re-download the pack and use the most up-to-date versions of each map.
On August 18 2012 15:25 dRaW wrote: edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-?
On August 18 2012 15:25 dRaW wrote: edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-?
No idea why both of you ask a question when the answer is clearly stated in the OP, but yes, he's eligible. Hasn't replied to anything I've sent him.
We're curious just because it states that players progressing who reach B- can't play, such as Wands, and perhaps a few others. Yet the person who destroyed the tournament, stays around C on iccup, can continually play in the touraments and just ladder/practice on fish server to 1200-1300 np and will not suffer any caution from this ruling.
On August 18 2012 15:25 dRaW wrote: edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-?
On August 18 2012 15:25 dRaW wrote: edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-?
No idea why both of you ask a question when the answer is clearly stated in the OP, but yes, he's eligible. Hasn't replied to anything I've sent him.
We're curious just because it states that players progressing who reach B- can't play, such as Wands, and perhaps a few others. Yet the person who destroyed the tournament, stays around C on iccup, can continually play in the touraments and just ladder/practice on fish server to 1200-1300 np and will not suffer any caution from this ruling.
We're just curious why someone who doesn't even have enough interest to read the thread posts about the league with facts that seem to be pulled out of thin air.. Or at least I am.
It's states in the OP that EVERYONE from the previous season will be allowed to play in this season. WandS CAN and as far as I know IS playing in this tournament. Denying people who trained as hard as he did in the previous tournament another shot would be disgusting. I really do hope you enjoy the tournament, but I just stress this: Please thoroughly read the Original Post before throwing your two cents in. I'm in no way saying that they couldn't matter, because feed back is my best friend, but in this circumstance, they are nonfactual and in no way beneficial to the league or anyone reading this thread.
On August 18 2012 15:25 dRaW wrote: edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-?
On August 18 2012 15:25 dRaW wrote: edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-?
No idea why both of you ask a question when the answer is clearly stated in the OP, but yes, he's eligible. Hasn't replied to anything I've sent him.
We're curious just because it states that players progressing who reach B- can't play, such as Wands, and perhaps a few others. Yet the person who destroyed the tournament, stays around C on iccup, can continually play in the touraments and just ladder/practice on fish server to 1200-1300 np and will not suffer any caution from this ruling.
On August 18 2012 15:25 dRaW wrote: edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-?
On August 20 2012 22:59 Shimy wrote:
On August 20 2012 22:51 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
On August 18 2012 15:25 dRaW wrote: edit: curious question, Rush completely destroyed the competition yet has no B- yet (or proof of), therefore by your ruling would he be allowed to return even though he dismantled wands who achieved B-?
No idea why both of you ask a question when the answer is clearly stated in the OP, but yes, he's eligible. Hasn't replied to anything I've sent him.
We're curious just because it states that players progressing who reach B- can't play, such as Wands, and perhaps a few others. Yet the person who destroyed the tournament, stays around C on iccup, can continually play in the touraments and just ladder/practice on fish server to 1200-1300 np and will not suffer any caution from this ruling.
We're just curious why someone who doesn't even have enough interest to read the thread posts about the league with facts that seem to be pulled out of thin air.. Or at least I am.
it says previous players can play yet already existing b- can't, sort of a paradox in some cases, that was all I was regarding to. The question was also @ Shimy the OP not to you anyway. Thanks to the reply, I understand now.
Wait, wait, wait... HOLD, HOLD, HOLD ON...... a minute.. So, you guys are letting Rush and Wands play once again? As a player who played and reached the semifinals in the ASL I can confirm everything Draw is saying here in this thread. He has no proof? FFS Wands has 2 B-'s already on 2 separate accounts, one of which he practically made during the ladder stage last ASL. Then he made another one if I remember correctly. If that is not a proof, I am Britney Spears. I mean it's ok, Wands no offense man, but isn't he being B- now making him a little bit better than all of us? Isn't this a league for C rankers? And don't let me start this all over again on Rush. Yeah dudes, he plays solid B rank random, destroyed Wands in the finals TvP and Wands was already B- back then. I played Rush as well in the group stages and even though I got unlucky I got owned 2 games. Then again, in the semis he faced Action who in my opinion is like the best C+ terran you can get in this league and he owned him as well with his Protoss. If that guy is C, again, I am Britney Spears. Hi to all my fans!
On August 21 2012 23:45 BulgarianToss wrote: Wait, wait, wait... HOLD, HOLD, HOLD ON...... a minute.. So, you guys are letting Rush and Wands play once again? As a player who played and reached the semifinals in the ASL I can confirm everything Draw is saying here in this thread. He has no proof? FFS Wands has 2 B-'s already on 2 separate accounts, one of which he practically made during the ladder stage last ASL. Then he made another one if I remember correctly. If that is not a proof, I am Britney Spears. I mean it's ok, Wands no offense man, but isn't he being B- now making him a little bit better than all of us? Isn't this a league for C rankers? And don't let me start this all over again on Rush. Yeah dudes, he plays solid B rank random, destroyed Wands in the finals TvP and Wands was already B- back then. I played Rush as well in the group stages and even though I got unlucky I got owned 2 games. Then again, in the semis he faced Action who in my opinion is like the best C+ terran you can get in this league and he owned him as well with his Protoss. If that guy is C, again, I am Britney Spears. Hi to all my fans!
Simply put, you want to win ASL, you train as hard as WandS did in season 1. There's no point in punishing WandS for playing nearly 2000 games to train for ASL. This has been justified several times and is not going to change. Please stop ranting about it. If you're expecting that you can cap your skill at the top level of this tournament and never progress, always perform... you're dead wrong.
On August 21 2012 23:45 BulgarianToss wrote: Wait, wait, wait... HOLD, HOLD, HOLD ON...... a minute.. So, you guys are letting Rush and Wands play once again? As a player who played and reached the semifinals in the ASL I can confirm everything Draw is saying here in this thread. He has no proof? FFS Wands has 2 B-'s already on 2 separate accounts, one of which he practically made during the ladder stage last ASL. Then he made another one if I remember correctly. If that is not a proof, I am Britney Spears. I mean it's ok, Wands no offense man, but isn't he being B- now making him a little bit better than all of us? Isn't this a league for C rankers? And don't let me start this all over again on Rush. Yeah dudes, he plays solid B rank random, destroyed Wands in the finals TvP and Wands was already B- back then. I played Rush as well in the group stages and even though I got unlucky I got owned 2 games. Then again, in the semis he faced Action who in my opinion is like the best C+ terran you can get in this league and he owned him as well with his Protoss. If that guy is C, again, I am Britney Spears. Hi to all my fans!
I personally think that, had action prepared better and used more resources that he could have accessed, he would have beaten RuSh. He had a good position on that last game he lost (basically owned himself with mines) - This comment has nothing to do with the league and it's organization, hence the separation.
On August 21 2012 23:45 BulgarianToss wrote: Wait, wait, wait... HOLD, HOLD, HOLD ON...... a minute.. So, you guys are letting Rush and Wands play once again? As a player who played and reached the semifinals in the ASL I can confirm everything Draw is saying here in this thread. He has no proof? FFS Wands has 2 B-'s already on 2 separate accounts, one of which he practically made during the ladder stage last ASL. Then he made another one if I remember correctly. If that is not a proof, I am Britney Spears. I mean it's ok, Wands no offense man, but isn't he being B- now making him a little bit better than all of us? Isn't this a league for C rankers? And don't let me start this all over again on Rush. Yeah dudes, he plays solid B rank random, destroyed Wands in the finals TvP and Wands was already B- back then. I played Rush as well in the group stages and even though I got unlucky I got owned 2 games. Then again, in the semis he faced Action who in my opinion is like the best C+ terran you can get in this league and he owned him as well with his Protoss. If that guy is C, again, I am Britney Spears. Hi to all my fans!
I personally think that, had action prepared better and used more resources that he could have accessed, he would have beaten RuSh. He had a good position on that last game he lost (basically owned himself with mines) - This comment has nothing to do with the league and it's organization, hence the separation.
Yeah, basically you are saying "if only Action was a bit better.. maybe a couple of ranks higher than he would've had this for sho!" Dude, Eywa, no disrespect to you, you guys are free to do whatever you want, you're the organisers. I just feel that letting obviously better players than C level once again participate in this league does not do it justice. Unless of course you open this league for blue rankers as well, that'd be a different story and I wouldn't feel the need to complain.
so much grama here. I dont like idea only B rankers from previous ASL. If they allowed why not other b rankers, cause its looks unfair - 2 gamers has higest chance to win at start. Tourney for yellows ranks, but there are exception... looks strange. For me it doeasnt matters if they are allowed or not, cause i will win it anyway. I just understand others sayin its verry unfair for rest players in this tourney
On August 22 2012 01:17 mca64[KDV] wrote: so much grama here. I dont like idea only B rankers from previous ASL. If they allowed why not other b rankers, cause its looks unfair - 2 gamers has higest chance to win at start. Tourney for yellows ranks, but there are exception... looks strange. For me it doeasnt matters if they are allowed or not, cause i will win it anyway. I just understand others sayin its verry unfair for rest players in this tourney
Once again, this has already been justified more than once. Please guys, read a couple comments before you post... It's made that way because it's absolutely stupid to punish someone for working at everything the league stands for which is improvement. Given that the league stands for getting players active, helping them improve, it doesn't make sense to allow players who are stagnating entirely due to their own lack of interest in improving.
Are they the same skill? Maybe
Are they similar situations? Not at all
Given the nature of the league, establishing a clear cealing and cutting off players who did well in season 1 would ensure the failure of any future strive for improvement for league purposes. Players would just sit at the max rank and watch to make sure no one got in who was above. This is proven, I mean... If you look at DRTL, none of the top players would dare ladder into the C- ranks even though some of their records suggest that they could. Yes, in the future, the skill cap will be re-established to C+, which is another reason why we can't allow any B- players in who weren't previously admitted. However, in order to accomplish this, we need to need there to be another level of tournaments worth playing for between C+ and the top level which is a huge leap.
In conclusion, it's really simple... Until we are able to establish an alternative for player who excel, we're going to keep them in the ASL. It does not make sense at all to discourage people from pushing their boundaries simply due to the fact they may not get admitted.
On August 21 2012 23:45 BulgarianToss wrote: Wait, wait, wait... HOLD, HOLD, HOLD ON...... a minute.. So, you guys are letting Rush and Wands play once again? As a player who played and reached the semifinals in the ASL I can confirm everything Draw is saying here in this thread. He has no proof? FFS Wands has 2 B-'s already on 2 separate accounts, one of which he practically made during the ladder stage last ASL. Then he made another one if I remember correctly. If that is not a proof, I am Britney Spears. I mean it's ok, Wands no offense man, but isn't he being B- now making him a little bit better than all of us? Isn't this a league for C rankers? And don't let me start this all over again on Rush. Yeah dudes, he plays solid B rank random, destroyed Wands in the finals TvP and Wands was already B- back then. I played Rush as well in the group stages and even though I got unlucky I got owned 2 games. Then again, in the semis he faced Action who in my opinion is like the best C+ terran you can get in this league and he owned him as well with his Protoss. If that guy is C, again, I am Britney Spears. Hi to all my fans!
I personally think that, had action prepared better and used more resources that he could have accessed, he would have beaten RuSh. He had a good position on that last game he lost (basically owned himself with mines) - This comment has nothing to do with the league and it's organization, hence the separation.
Yeah, basically you are saying "if only Action was a bit better.. maybe a couple of ranks higher than he would've had this for sho!" Dude, Eywa, no disrespect to you, you guys are free to do whatever you want, you're the organisers. I just feel that letting obviously better players than C level once again participate in this league does not do it justice. Unless of course you open this league for blue rankers as well, that'd be a different story and I wouldn't feel the need to complain.
You're taking a twist of my words and engaging in reductio-ad-absurdum. Preparing for a specific match does not guarantee that your overall rank is going to increase... You see it all the time in pro-gaming and what not, a lesser player with greater preparation can beat anyone. Action had the skills necessary to beat RuSh, simply not the refinement he needed. You can argue all you want, but it didn't seem like RuSh's PvT was that far above anyone's TvP (It nearly had him eliminated in the groups)...
On August 22 2012 01:17 mca64[KDV] wrote: so much grama here. I dont like idea only B rankers from previous ASL. If they allowed why not other b rankers, cause its looks unfair - 2 gamers has higest chance to win at start. Tourney for yellows ranks, but there are exception... looks strange. For me it doeasnt matters if they are allowed or not, cause i will win it anyway. I just understand others sayin its verry unfair for rest players in this tourney
Once again, this has already been justified more than once. Please guys, read a couple comments before you post... It's made that way because it's absolutely stupid to punish someone for working at everything the league stands for which is improvement. Given that the league stands for getting players active, helping them improve, it doesn't make sense to allow players who are stagnating entirely due to their own lack of interest in improving.
Are they the same skill? Maybe
Are they similar situations? Not at all
Given the nature of the league, establishing a clear cealing and cutting off players who did well in season 1 would ensure the failure of any future strive for improvement for league purposes. Players would just sit at the max rank and watch to make sure no one got in who was above. This is proven, I mean... If you look at DRTL, none of the top players would dare ladder into the C- ranks even though some of their records suggest that they could. Yes, in the future, the skill cap will be re-established to C+, which is another reason why we can't allow any B- players in who weren't previously admitted. However, in order to accomplish this, we need to need there to be another level of tournaments worth playing for between C+ and the top level which is a huge leap.
In conclusion, it's really simple... Until we are able to establish an alternative for player who excel, we're going to keep them in the ASL. It does not make sense at all to discourage people from pushing their boundaries simply due to the fact they may not get admitted.
Uhm, hello? Defiler tours, ISL? Those can help them improve if they want to. These tournaments have pretty good money prizes as well and they can compete with players closer to their skill level. Wouldn't that make more sense than bashing C level nubs? How can they improve by beating players that are not as skilled as them? Sorry, but I don't understand your point of view.
On August 22 2012 01:17 mca64[KDV] wrote: so much grama here. I dont like idea only B rankers from previous ASL. If they allowed why not other b rankers, cause its looks unfair - 2 gamers has higest chance to win at start. Tourney for yellows ranks, but there are exception... looks strange. For me it doeasnt matters if they are allowed or not, cause i will win it anyway. I just understand others sayin its verry unfair for rest players in this tourney
Once again, this has already been justified more than once. Please guys, read a couple comments before you post... It's made that way because it's absolutely stupid to punish someone for working at everything the league stands for which is improvement. Given that the league stands for getting players active, helping them improve, it doesn't make sense to allow players who are stagnating entirely due to their own lack of interest in improving.
Are they the same skill? Maybe
Are they similar situations? Not at all
Given the nature of the league, establishing a clear cealing and cutting off players who did well in season 1 would ensure the failure of any future strive for improvement for league purposes. Players would just sit at the max rank and watch to make sure no one got in who was above. This is proven, I mean... If you look at DRTL, none of the top players would dare ladder into the C- ranks even though some of their records suggest that they could. Yes, in the future, the skill cap will be re-established to C+, which is another reason why we can't allow any B- players in who weren't previously admitted. However, in order to accomplish this, we need to need there to be another level of tournaments worth playing for between C+ and the top level which is a huge leap.
In conclusion, it's really simple... Until we are able to establish an alternative for player who excel, we're going to keep them in the ASL. It does not make sense at all to discourage people from pushing their boundaries simply due to the fact they may not get admitted.
On August 22 2012 01:17 mca64[KDV] wrote: so much grama here. I dont like idea only B rankers from previous ASL. If they allowed why not other b rankers, cause its looks unfair - 2 gamers has higest chance to win at start. Tourney for yellows ranks, but there are exception... looks strange. For me it doeasnt matters if they are allowed or not, cause i will win it anyway. I just understand others sayin its verry unfair for rest players in this tourney
Once again, this has already been justified more than once. Please guys, read a couple comments before you post... It's made that way because it's absolutely stupid to punish someone for working at everything the league stands for which is improvement. Given that the league stands for getting players active, helping them improve, it doesn't make sense to allow players who are stagnating entirely due to their own lack of interest in improving.
Are they the same skill? Maybe
Are they similar situations? Not at all
Given the nature of the league, establishing a clear cealing and cutting off players who did well in season 1 would ensure the failure of any future strive for improvement for league purposes. Players would just sit at the max rank and watch to make sure no one got in who was above. This is proven, I mean... If you look at DRTL, none of the top players would dare ladder into the C- ranks even though some of their records suggest that they could. Yes, in the future, the skill cap will be re-established to C+, which is another reason why we can't allow any B- players in who weren't previously admitted. However, in order to accomplish this, we need to need there to be another level of tournaments worth playing for between C+ and the top level which is a huge leap.
In conclusion, it's really simple... Until we are able to establish an alternative for player who excel, we're going to keep them in the ASL. It does not make sense at all to discourage people from pushing their boundaries simply due to the fact they may not get admitted.
Uhm, hello? Defiler tours, ISL? Those can help them improve if they want to. These tournaments have pretty good money prizes as well and they can compete with players closer to their skill level. Wouldn't that make more sense than bashing C level nubs? How can they improve by beating players that are not as skilled as them? Sorry, but I don't understand your point of view.
Punish the kids who worked harder than you. Sounds fair.
NoisE, i seriously do not understand how you can say a thing such as "Punish the kid who worked harder than you",this is a tournament for yellow ranks damn it,do you think most of the people playing in this tournament have time to play as much as wands and rush did? wands himself said that he played 2000~ games during the tourney.2000 for 2~ months is 33 games a day.Do you realise this takes atleast 7-8 hours,time that most people participating in this tournament do not have.
On August 22 2012 01:17 mca64[KDV] wrote: so much grama here. I dont like idea only B rankers from previous ASL. If they allowed why not other b rankers, cause its looks unfair - 2 gamers has higest chance to win at start. Tourney for yellows ranks, but there are exception... looks strange. For me it doeasnt matters if they are allowed or not, cause i will win it anyway. I just understand others sayin its verry unfair for rest players in this tourney
Once again, this has already been justified more than once. Please guys, read a couple comments before you post... It's made that way because it's absolutely stupid to punish someone for working at everything the league stands for which is improvement. Given that the league stands for getting players active, helping them improve, it doesn't make sense to allow players who are stagnating entirely due to their own lack of interest in improving.
Are they the same skill? Maybe
Are they similar situations? Not at all
Given the nature of the league, establishing a clear cealing and cutting off players who did well in season 1 would ensure the failure of any future strive for improvement for league purposes. Players would just sit at the max rank and watch to make sure no one got in who was above. This is proven, I mean... If you look at DRTL, none of the top players would dare ladder into the C- ranks even though some of their records suggest that they could. Yes, in the future, the skill cap will be re-established to C+, which is another reason why we can't allow any B- players in who weren't previously admitted. However, in order to accomplish this, we need to need there to be another level of tournaments worth playing for between C+ and the top level which is a huge leap.
In conclusion, it's really simple... Until we are able to establish an alternative for player who excel, we're going to keep them in the ASL. It does not make sense at all to discourage people from pushing their boundaries simply due to the fact they may not get admitted.
Uhm, hello? Defiler tours, ISL? Those can help them improve if they want to. These tournaments have pretty good money prizes as well and they can compete with players closer to their skill level. Wouldn't that make more sense than bashing C level nubs? How can they improve by beating players that are not as skilled as them? Sorry, but I don't understand your point of view.
Punish the kids who worked harder than you. Sounds fair.
On August 16 2012 09:07 Shotcoder wrote: This is kind of a pointless cut off.
On August 16 2012 07:19 Shotcoder wrote:
Ah so Arbitrary rules cover the other arbitrary rules. Gotcha!
On August 22 2012 01:17 mca64[KDV] wrote: so much grama here. I dont like idea only B rankers from previous ASL. If they allowed why not other b rankers, cause its looks unfair - 2 gamers has higest chance to win at start. Tourney for yellows ranks, but there are exception... looks strange. For me it doeasnt matters if they are allowed or not, cause i will win it anyway. I just understand others sayin its verry unfair for rest players in this tourney
Once again, this has already been justified more than once. Please guys, read a couple comments before you post... It's made that way because it's absolutely stupid to punish someone for working at everything the league stands for which is improvement. Given that the league stands for getting players active, helping them improve, it doesn't make sense to allow players who are stagnating entirely due to their own lack of interest in improving.
Are they the same skill? Maybe
Are they similar situations? Not at all
Given the nature of the league, establishing a clear cealing and cutting off players who did well in season 1 would ensure the failure of any future strive for improvement for league purposes. Players would just sit at the max rank and watch to make sure no one got in who was above. This is proven, I mean... If you look at DRTL, none of the top players would dare ladder into the C- ranks even though some of their records suggest that they could. Yes, in the future, the skill cap will be re-established to C+, which is another reason why we can't allow any B- players in who weren't previously admitted. However, in order to accomplish this, we need to need there to be another level of tournaments worth playing for between C+ and the top level which is a huge leap.
In conclusion, it's really simple... Until we are able to establish an alternative for player who excel, we're going to keep them in the ASL. It does not make sense at all to discourage people from pushing their boundaries simply due to the fact they may not get admitted.
Uhm, hello? Defiler tours, ISL? Those can help them improve if they want to. These tournaments have pretty good money prizes as well and they can compete with players closer to their skill level. Wouldn't that make more sense than bashing C level nubs? How can they improve by beating players that are not as skilled as them? Sorry, but I don't understand your point of view.
WandS was C+ when he started ASL, and he lost in the group stage to fold I believe... There's really no reason for you still being C+ and him being B- other than he played 50+ times the amount of games you did in the same time span... Rather than complaining that he's still in it, you should be kicking yourself for not putting in the effort you need (assuming you're playing to win which your posts suggest you are).
On August 22 2012 01:17 mca64[KDV] wrote: so much grama here. I dont like idea only B rankers from previous ASL. If they allowed why not other b rankers, cause its looks unfair - 2 gamers has higest chance to win at start. Tourney for yellows ranks, but there are exception... looks strange. For me it doeasnt matters if they are allowed or not, cause i will win it anyway. I just understand others sayin its verry unfair for rest players in this tourney
Once again, this has already been justified more than once. Please guys, read a couple comments before you post... It's made that way because it's absolutely stupid to punish someone for working at everything the league stands for which is improvement. Given that the league stands for getting players active, helping them improve, it doesn't make sense to allow players who are stagnating entirely due to their own lack of interest in improving.
Are they the same skill? Maybe
Are they similar situations? Not at all
Given the nature of the league, establishing a clear cealing and cutting off players who did well in season 1 would ensure the failure of any future strive for improvement for league purposes. Players would just sit at the max rank and watch to make sure no one got in who was above. This is proven, I mean... If you look at DRTL, none of the top players would dare ladder into the C- ranks even though some of their records suggest that they could. Yes, in the future, the skill cap will be re-established to C+, which is another reason why we can't allow any B- players in who weren't previously admitted. However, in order to accomplish this, we need to need there to be another level of tournaments worth playing for between C+ and the top level which is a huge leap.
In conclusion, it's really simple... Until we are able to establish an alternative for player who excel, we're going to keep them in the ASL. It does not make sense at all to discourage people from pushing their boundaries simply due to the fact they may not get admitted.
Uhm, hello? Defiler tours, ISL? Those can help them improve if they want to. These tournaments have pretty good money prizes as well and they can compete with players closer to their skill level. Wouldn't that make more sense than bashing C level nubs? How can they improve by beating players that are not as skilled as them? Sorry, but I don't understand your point of view.
Punish the kids who worked harder than you. Sounds fair.
Shotcoder you clearly miss my point. I just want to make it clear to all of you, though I think it is logical to begin with. I applaud Wands for working hard and achieving higher rank during ASL1. Good job to him and I think he deserved the finals. That doesn't exclude the fact that now he is B- and he is a better player. I repeat this for the third time now, god its getting redundant, but this league is for C rankers, or I am mistaking? So to make it even clearer you are signing up a B- player, doesn't matter if he played in the previous season or not. That is the fact here! About Rush I think everyone in the BW scene knew and knows now that he was way better than C level to begin with. I don't want to punish anyone, I just think its not fair to all the players in this league, that's all.
On August 22 2012 01:17 mca64[KDV] wrote: so much grama here. I dont like idea only B rankers from previous ASL. If they allowed why not other b rankers, cause its looks unfair - 2 gamers has higest chance to win at start. Tourney for yellows ranks, but there are exception... looks strange. For me it doeasnt matters if they are allowed or not, cause i will win it anyway. I just understand others sayin its verry unfair for rest players in this tourney
Once again, this has already been justified more than once. Please guys, read a couple comments before you post... It's made that way because it's absolutely stupid to punish someone for working at everything the league stands for which is improvement. Given that the league stands for getting players active, helping them improve, it doesn't make sense to allow players who are stagnating entirely due to their own lack of interest in improving.
Are they the same skill? Maybe
Are they similar situations? Not at all
Given the nature of the league, establishing a clear cealing and cutting off players who did well in season 1 would ensure the failure of any future strive for improvement for league purposes. Players would just sit at the max rank and watch to make sure no one got in who was above. This is proven, I mean... If you look at DRTL, none of the top players would dare ladder into the C- ranks even though some of their records suggest that they could. Yes, in the future, the skill cap will be re-established to C+, which is another reason why we can't allow any B- players in who weren't previously admitted. However, in order to accomplish this, we need to need there to be another level of tournaments worth playing for between C+ and the top level which is a huge leap.
In conclusion, it's really simple... Until we are able to establish an alternative for player who excel, we're going to keep them in the ASL. It does not make sense at all to discourage people from pushing their boundaries simply due to the fact they may not get admitted.
Uhm, hello? Defiler tours, ISL? Those can help them improve if they want to. These tournaments have pretty good money prizes as well and they can compete with players closer to their skill level. Wouldn't that make more sense than bashing C level nubs? How can they improve by beating players that are not as skilled as them? Sorry, but I don't understand your point of view.
Punish the kids who worked harder than you. Sounds fair.
Shotcoder you clearly miss my point. I just want to make it clear to all of you, though I think it is logical to begin with. I applaud Wands for working hard and achieving higher rank during ASL1. Good job to him and I think he deserved the finals. That doesn't exclude the fact that now he is B- and he is a better player. I repeat this for the third time now, god its getting redundant, but this league is for C rankers, or I am mistaking? So to make it even clearer you are signing up a B- player, doesn't matter if he played in the previous season or not. That is the fact here! About Rush I think everyone in the BW scene knew and knows now that he was way better than C level to begin with. I don't want to punish anyone, I just think its not fair to all the players in this league, that's all.
I don't know where you're getting these "facts" about the league, because they seem to be an entire fabrication coming from someone who was partially involved in the process of creating the league's rules and procedure.
On August 22 2012 05:16 krndandaman wrote: Dunno how you guys will take this but I want to make a suggestion: how about some sort of "graduation policy" with these amateur level tournaments?
If you win an ASL, you're not allowed in anymore. Or some sort of variation of that with something like if you win an ASL you can't play in the next one but you can play in the one after that.
That way, we can ensure that there will be an equal level of skill among players and not "punish" the players who became the best of the C ranks. I don't think winning 1st place out of a $600 prize pool would really be a "punishment" persay. In a tournament with a skillcap such as this, players at the top can't hang around forever as they WILL improve and could possibly be TOO good for the other players. It will just be free money in the long run (and noobbashing). If you improved (which is the purpose of the tourny) to over C+ level that's great! The purpose of the tournament has been fulfilled and you no longer have a reason to participate. Also, just want to point out that the skill discrepancy is even worse at lower levels between ranks, more so than at higher ranks. For example, there is a much bigger difference between a D+ and C- player than there is between an A- and A player. So someone who is above C+ will have a much easier time beating said C-/C/C+ players.
Of course this leaves a loophole of someone really good intentionally getting 2nd/3rd/anythingotherthan1st to continually get money so something like 1st place unable to play in anymore ASL's and 2nd,3rd unable to play in next ASL would ensure that the amateur level tourny continually gets fresh faces at the top and a certain level of competition. (Plus everyone gets money!)
Just my 2cents, I welcome feedback and criticism.
It's important to note that we want to create a graduation system, but we simply don't have the resources to implement it now. We're obviously going to be looking into that quite intently following ASL2 and before ASL3.
On August 22 2012 05:16 krndandaman wrote: That way, we can ensure that there will be an equal level of skill among players and not "punish" the players who became the best of the C ranks. I don't think winning 1st place out of a $600 prize pool would really be a "punishment" persay. In a tournament with a skillcap such as this, players at the top can't hang around forever as they WILL improve and could possibly be TOO good for the other players. It will just be free money in the long run (and noobbashing). If you improved (which is the purpose of the tourny) to over C+ level that's great! The purpose of the tournament has been fulfilled and you no longer have a reason to participate.
On August 23 2012 11:11 CaStrO wrote: i am noob i no play scbw on 1 year my lvl is c+ so much, can register?
you're supposed to use another ID and link to iccup profiles, play protoss or terran in the ladder stage/qualifying, then play zerg in the actual tour.
On August 23 2012 11:11 CaStrO wrote: i am noob i no play scbw on 1 year my lvl is c+ so much, can register?
you're supposed to use another ID and link to iccup profiles, play protoss or terran in the ladder stage/qualifying, then play zerg in the actual tour.
Wrong thread, I think you're looking for _SL for C ranks
On August 25 2012 04:32 CaStrO wrote: register me :D i use terran only my rank D+ can?
I have to still deny you. To put the subject to rest, my reasoning is that B rank and up develop skills, knowledge, and mechanics that are applicable to all races. While you may lose sometimes to lower ranks, you would still have an unfair advantage in the competition.
On August 25 2012 04:32 CaStrO wrote: register me :D i use terran only my rank D+ can?
I have to still deny you. To put the subject to rest, my reasoning is that B rank and up develop skills, knowledge, and mechanics that are applicable to all races. While you may lose sometimes to lower ranks, you would still have an unfair advantage in the competition.
btw lots of people are talking about me and WandS :S..... about letting us in to ASL2. i guess people doesnt want us to join cuz we are not in C level?........
On August 26 2012 12:39 RusH[PaiN] wrote: btw lots of people area person is talking about me and WandS :S..... about letting us in to ASL2. i guess people this one dude doesnt want us to join cuz we are not in C level?........
On August 26 2012 12:39 RusH[PaiN] wrote: btw lots of people area person is talking about me and WandS :S..... about letting us in to ASL2. i guess people this one dude doesnt want us to join cuz we are not in C level?........
fixed that for ya. gl hf.
And I'm proud of it =). Any injustice in the world should be fought against imo, even if it is about a small amateur starcraft brood war tournament. But I let go since I will probably get banned, because I am not afraid to express my opinion. The thing I would like to tell you is that most of the people know what's going on and that I am not alone. Rush I wish you good luck though I doubt that you need it.
The sign ups for the NoisE Amateur StarLeague Season 2 are ending at:
17:00 GMT (+00:00) Tuesday August 28th
This means tell everyone you know! And if you are waiting to sign up, wait no longer! Don't miss this awesome chance to improve, have fun, and possibly win some cash! Players that do not sign up will not be allowed to play in the StarLeague.
You will need to send the following information to ASL2Register@gmail.com:
Most well-known ID: Race*: Your MAX achieved rank: IP address**: Easiest form of contact***:
Attach to the email 2 games per match up of yourself.(Replays 10 minutes or longer. ZvZ excluded.)
*The match ups you will using throughout the tournament. If you list any excess matchups that you do not use, you will be DQ'd **IP address is used for counter abuse purposes only. It will not be shared with anyone. ***This is so I can send reminders and updates to you about the league. This literally needs to be something you check everyday i.e. Skype, TL.net, etc
On August 27 2012 16:32 SC_Zangetsu wrote: Do we need to make an iccup account with the ASL2 tag? how will I know if I am in or out of the tourney...sorry I am sleepy
The league is played only on Fish server this season. You will only need to make a ASL2.Zangetsu(Or a version of that) on Fish server. You are in the tourney, I sent an email confirmation back to the sign up email you registered with ^^
On August 27 2012 18:09 LieToMe wrote: can we see who is resistered at the moment ?
This will be posted after signups have ended. So be on the lookout for them tomorrow around 1PM EST.
On August 29 2012 01:49 Mewka wrote: waiting for players list ;>
Same. I'm not participating because I'm not C, but I'm very interested in the number of sign ups. It would be very interesting to see if more Cs participated in ASL because of the larger prize pool or did YSL attract more people because it got announced a little sooner.
On August 29 2012 01:49 Mewka wrote: waiting for players list ;>
Same. I'm not participating because I'm not C, but I'm very interested in the number of sign ups. It would be very interesting to see if more Cs participated in ASL because of the larger prize pool or did YSL attract more people because it got announced a little sooner.
ASL has exactly double the player count I believe.
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B rank
It should be allowed, at least for me XD
