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I really don't know where to begin. Quite frankly, I'm at a loss for words. This is the fifth time that I start writing this.
So here goes:
Initially this league was meant to give a place for lower-level players to practice in. It's true that that's the core premise. You could probably say that this isn't much different from the sGs clan. And you'd be right. The small difference is the fact that we have a weekly tournament schedule to adhere to. With that said, what has happened during this week's game is rather... unconstructive.
It's not just the fact that people are requesting walkovers. Getting a walkover can happen. It's still a competition. People want to win. And when your opponent shows up late and goes "I'm going to eat", then goes afk, it's rather normal that you'd be slightly irked, to say the least. That's perfectly understandable.
What is not understandable is wasting a good 25 minutes of someone's time then calling him a dumb nigger. What is not understandable is people agreeing to postpone a game then deciding to take a walkover on it. I've had people request walkovers because they were 6 days late to realise that DST had changed. People trying to insert players that hadn't even signed up in their games as subs. I could probably go on with details, but I don't wish to bore you. And you know what's the worst part? We're not even halfway through the tournament.
Initially, I imagined that the Brood War community would be a bit more mature than this. I imagined that people would be able to organise themselves semi-authonomously. That they would be punctual and respectful to their peers. Sadly, it would seem that I am mistaken. As such I would institute some rules that would hopefully grant me the ability to control the matches better, and as such, eliminate these mishaps to the best of my ability.
- 1) I am going to temporarily close the signups. The current team rosters are what you will have to work it for next week's matches. This measure would be subject to change in the future.
- 2) The currnet deadline on lineups remains. For every 24 hours that you fall behind the schedule, your team will receive a warning.
- 3) You will be able to postpone a game if you and your opponent agree to do it. To do so, both people must PM me with the following information:
-The name you signed up with.
-The name your opponent signed up with.
-Both players' teams.
-Time that you have postponed the game to.
In case that your opponent does not show at the rescheduled time (and he has requested the rescheduling of the game), you are required to be present on game night. You are also required to provide screenshots with the time included in them regardless of who has requested the change of time. The game will then be subjected to standard walkover rules. Additionaly, there will be a deadline for postponement: you must arrange the postponement no later than 12 hours before the scheduled game time. Any notifications I receive after the deadline would be discarded.
- 4) Substitutes:
Substitute requests may be granted in some circumstances. They are as follows:
- Both players are experiencing connection issues with each other. In that case teams will be given the ability to sub in a player, provided that he is the same race as the player he is replacing, and has not been included in the current week's lineup. If such a case were to arise, it would be possible to sub out both sides of the match, as per the aforementioned rule. Team captain(s) would be required to notify me of the current situation at hand, regardless of the circumstances. If they do not notify me, standard walkover rules apply.
- 5) Standard walkover rules: If your opponent isn't present a walkover win would be granted after 15 minutes have passed. If the opponent is late but no later than 15 minutes, a warning would be issued.
- 6) Every 2 warnings will result in a -1 set added to your teams' losses in the scoreboard. This could cost your team a playoff spot, so be careful.
- 7) After the 25th of March, I will be adjusting the league starting time by one hour to compensate for dayling savings time.
Now, this may seem a bit excessive to some of you, but the alternative is letting the DRTL disintegrate. That is not something I'm prepared to just let happen, so you'll have to bear with me until the season is over. However, I have some good news to compensate for that: If the teams shape up and have a good showing, I would be opening 2 additional playoff spots after week 5. Naturally, that would lenghten the playoff period by one week, but I do not think that people would be opposed to it. That would be all for now, feel free to comment on it.
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I like these reforms. The only change I would make is the issue of warnings for showing up late but before 15 minutes. I can see people going wild with reporting people for being 2 minutes late ("Horrible Bosses" anyone?). I would maybe change it to 30 minutes too. Those are pretty much the only changes I would make, I think that otherwise this is a solid set of standards.
Oh, I would also add that in order to claim a W/O for people playing a postponed match should be accompanied by a screenshot with /time on ICCup in OP DRTL.
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I like it.
But I think for the (a possible) next season we should use BO5 and teams should be made of at least 7 players. This way it would reduce greatly the WOs throughout the whole season.
One might argue that then 2 players of the team would not get to play, but from my experience this season we barely have people to play 5 games, even though the team has 12 players.
A lot of people register, but then things happen and they end up not showing up for the games or practice, and I don't blame them, people have real life issues to take care of and they are often unpredictable.
Problems like these are bound to happen because we are people from all over the world, and time conflicts are natural. I doubt anyone here would not show up just to piss off opponents.
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On March 19 2012 06:33 Jealous wrote:
I like these reforms. The only change I would make is the issue of warnings for showing up late but before 15 minutes. I can see people going wild with reporting people for being 2 minutes late ("Horrible Bosses" anyone?). I would maybe change it to 30 minutes too. Those are pretty much the only changes I would make, I think that otherwise this is a solid set of standards.
Oh, I would also add that in order to claim a W/O for people playing a postponed match should be accompanied by a screenshot with /time on ICCup in OP DRTL.
Whoops, I thought I included the screenshot requirement, but apparently I haven't. Going to fix that now.
On March 19 2012 06:40 fabiano wrote:
I like it.
But I think for the (a possible) next season we should use BO5 and teams should be made of at least 7 players. This way it would reduce greatly the WOs throughout the whole season.
One might argue that then 2 players of the team would not get to play, but from my experience this season we barely have people to play 5 games, even though the team has 12 players.
A lot of people register, but then things happen and they end up not showing up for the games or practice, and I don't blame them, people have real life issues to take care of and they are often unpredictable.
Problems like these are bound to happen because we are people from all over the world, and time conflicts are natural. I doubt anyone here would not show up just to piss off opponents.
Reducing match games is something that I've given thought, but for now I'd like to hold off on. Depending on how this league goes, it could get implemented for next season (maybe?), and it would also mean that there will be more teams competing, provided there are enough people.
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- 3) You will be able to postpone a game if you and your opponent agree to do it. To do so, both people must PM me with the following information:
-The name you signed up with.
-The name your opponent signed up with.
-Both players' teams.
-Time that you have postponed the game to.
In case that your opponent does not show at the rescheduled time, you are required to be present on game night. You are also required to provide screenshots with the time included in them. The game will then be subjected to standard walkover rules. Additionaly, there will be a deadline for postponement: you must arrange the postponement no later than 12 hours before the scheduled game time. Any notifications I receive after the deadline would be discarded.
^ What is the point of even having this rule, basically if I sum it up, it says you can reschedule matches if your opponent agrees, your opponent can choose to not show even after agreeing to reschedule the game, if your opponent doesn't agree to reschedule or decides not to show up for it after having agreed, you're required to show up on game night, your opponent suffers no penalty? Or is it just the way that it is written that makes it look like that?
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Team 4 vs UED Academy Results:
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Team 4 0-0 UED Academy
heyitsmeagain] <Fighting Spirit> UED_PokazGlowe
lakso <Neo Aztec> UED_PokazGlowe
corumjhaelen <Jade> UED_MyStiC.RG
olabaz <Ground Zero> UED_RoniN
olabaz <Match Point> UED_MyStiC.RG
We had a weird match, as a few of the players for each team didn't show up, so we subbed and reused players (Nikon and both team captains agreed to this). Many thanks to UED Academy for being flexible with this match.
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On March 19 2012 06:58 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +- 3) You will be able to postpone a game if you and your opponent agree to do it. To do so, both people must PM me with the following information:
-The name you signed up with.
-The name your opponent signed up with.
-Both players' teams.
-Time that you have postponed the game to.
In case that your opponent does not show at the rescheduled time, you are required to be present on game night. You are also required to provide screenshots with the time included in them. The game will then be subjected to standard walkover rules. Additionaly, there will be a deadline for postponement: you must arrange the postponement no later than 12 hours before the scheduled game time. Any notifications I receive after the deadline would be discarded. ^ What is the point of even having this rule, basically if I sum it up, it says you can reschedule matches if your opponent agrees, your opponent can choose to not show even after agreeing to reschedule the game, if your opponent doesn't agree to reschedule or decides not to show up for it after having agreed, you're required to show up on game night, your opponent suffers no penalty? Or is it just the way that it is written that makes it look like that?
If they don't show up at the new game time, then you get a free win (WO). In order to confirm this, you need to be there at the game time.
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On March 19 2012 07:02 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 06:58 Eywa- wrote:- 3) You will be able to postpone a game if you and your opponent agree to do it. To do so, both people must PM me with the following information:
-The name you signed up with.
-The name your opponent signed up with.
-Both players' teams.
-Time that you have postponed the game to.
In case that your opponent does not show at the rescheduled time, you are required to be present on game night. You are also required to provide screenshots with the time included in them. The game will then be subjected to standard walkover rules. Additionaly, there will be a deadline for postponement: you must arrange the postponement no later than 12 hours before the scheduled game time. Any notifications I receive after the deadline would be discarded. ^ What is the point of even having this rule, basically if I sum it up, it says you can reschedule matches if your opponent agrees, your opponent can choose to not show even after agreeing to reschedule the game, if your opponent doesn't agree to reschedule or decides not to show up for it after having agreed, you're required to show up on game night, your opponent suffers no penalty? Or is it just the way that it is written that makes it look like that? If they don't show up at the new game time, then you get a free win (WO). In order to confirm this, you need to be there at the game time.
If you can be there at game time, then you didn't need to reschedule. Also, this is an assumption, it isn't written as such in the new rule, discussing it with Nikon atm to figure out if its just not formulated clearly.
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So whats the situation rightnow? So far I gathered this data from the thread:
Team 4 4-1 UED
Team 2 4-2 TAKK
Team 8 4-2 Courage
SKT3 4-2 ACE
Team 1 and Star Maknaes havent publicly reported their game, have they played yet?
ok, edited
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So will the game time for March 25th be at: 1pm EST = 2pm EDT = 6pm GMT/UTC -OR- 12pm EST = 1pm EDT = 5pm GMT/UTC?
fabiano Team 8 DeSPA is 4-2 on Team CNSDCBETA since we both agreed to sub. Future subs like that won't be allowed under the new rules, but I don't think the rules are being retroactively applied.
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On March 19 2012 03:35 Shotcoder wrote:
Alright, I really don't understand the drama here at all. You are all D level players that should be happy you have the opportunity to be on a team with some people around the same level as you looking to improve just as you are. Instead we're sitting here bitching about who gets a walkover in a match up THAT HAS NO PRIZE PAY OUT. Yea that's right now prize pay out and you still sit here and bitch from both sides. You guys should quit being a bunch of premaddona's man the fuck up and just play your opponent. This isn't C league where you have more "respected" members and this isn't ISL where you have to sign up for a spot in a qualifier and this definitely isn't GC where it's the best foreign teams in BW.
Since there are currently no rules regarding W/O's play the games. And Nikon should make rules pertaining to this if he feels teams should even get walk overs. Considering this is D league and you're looking to just play and improve I don't think there should be any walk overs in this league.
I really couldn't agree more with the overall premise.
Maybe at some point you need W.O. simply because some people are gonna abuse that and make no effort to show up on time. Then again, nothing stopping players taking the initiative and scheduling with the other player at a good time for both of them.
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On March 18 2012 18:01 olabaz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 13:22 TL-TyranT wrote:
I had an epic slugfest ( in the form of a brawl ) TvP on Circuit Breaker I recommend people watch the replay download I put it as " UED vs Team 4 last match epic TvP " on iccup user replays. I would like to add and question that he is C- and while I've never actually hit the rank, but got high D+ why is he allowed to play?. Is he one of those can't sustain C-'s that long player is that why?. Idk someone please clarify for me I am confused at the end of the game he even said his best rank is D+. So I had to verify myself. Anyways hope next week will be better form for UED. Oh also can pokazglowe be changed to UED_PokazGlowe Nikkon as it seems he didn't sign up that way I guess it was BloodSpray who did that while back. This has been repeated 100x. You can go back and read through the 41 pages. Perhaps instead of whining over 1 game you should be practicing so you don't lose the next one.
Explain how I am whining over this...frankly like its been said before doesn't seem fair for D people to play vs C- which doesn't bother me as much since I can play at D+/C- level and if I didn't make two mistakes I woud've crushed you. What does bother me is that you lied about your best rank at the end of the game. Anyways will undergo a lot more training to take down anyone and everyone that has to play me from here on out. Also surprising something like this irritates you even a little as I have seen talk about pysonic_reaver partaking in this and someone else not you for the past 41 pages.
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i kinda dont like the new sub rules. the fact that no player thats been on the line up can sub-in means only players that weren't on planing on playing in the week are allowed to sub-in. now whats the chances of someone who isn't suspecting to play and havent made the time in their schedule to be on at the given time to be available to act as a sub.
you might as well just say that theres no subs allowed, because you are drastically reducing the chance that a valid sub would even be available. the only people that can sub-in would be the people thats not even gonna be online.
i didnt see anything wrong or abusible with the sub-ins in weeks 1-4, it was the postponing and rescheduling thats causing all the drama and dont understand this sudden change in the rules.
also i liked jealous's suggestion of increasing the late time from 15 to 30 minutes. since after march 25th the times will be changed to an hour earlier for people that had the summer-daytime saving, i can imagine a lot of schedule conflicts. i, personally, will have to play at noon which is when i eat lunch and would most likely have to play either 30 minutes earlier or 30 minutes after the given time.
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Wow Season 1 was so much better. There was absolutely no drama at all, yeah people were late but we waited and didn't complain, and if he never arrived at all then we never said anything but the organiser put w.o . Even in the final game which determined who got into playoffs we could have gotten a w.o but we waited an hour for the other player.
wtf happened, why is everyone so srs this time round. Like seriously who gives a flying 747 fuck about the results. When I played the only thing I cared about was having a game and playing with a team. When we got a w.o I was sad because I stayed up till 3am for nothing. It seems like some of you guys would rather a w.o than play a game o_O.
Who cares if there is a B- in a D league, yeah hes a dick and shouldn't be in the league, but who cares. I stopped playing in the league when I realised I wasn't losing a single game, but I bet some of you that complain are probably equal or better in rank than me.
Anyway glad I didn't play this season, a lot of you D rankers need to get off your high horse and realise that you are in D.
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On March 19 2012 09:00 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Wow Season 1 was so much better. There was absolutely no drama at all, yeah people were late but we waited and didn't complain, and if he never arrived at all then we never said anything but the organiser put w.o . Even in the final game which determined who got into playoffs we could have gotten a w.o but we waited an hour for the other player.
wtf happened, why is everyone so srs this time round. Like seriously who gives a flying 747 fuck about the results. When I played the only thing I cared about was having a game and playing with a team. When we got a w.o I was sad because I stayed up till 3am for nothing. It seems like some of you guys would rather a w.o than play a game o_O.
Who cares if there is a B- in a D league, yeah hes a dick and shouldn't be in the league, but who cares. I stopped playing in the league when I realised I wasn't losing a single game, but I bet some of you that complain are probably equal or better in rank than me.
Anyway glad I didn't play this season, a lot of you D rankers need to get off your high horse and realise that you are in D.
While that might be true no one should care the way you put it just would seem to aggravate people further and its late or early for many people be more wise with your words kid. As for the above ranks being in the league of course you couldn't care if you didn't even play one or deal with drama. ;/
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On March 19 2012 08:17 TL-TyranT wrote:
Also surprising something like this irritates you even a little as I have seen talk about pysonic_reaver partaking in this and someone else not you for the past 41 pages.
I don't even understand this?
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On March 19 2012 07:42 fabiano wrote:
So whats the situation rightnow? So far I gathered this data from the thread:
Team 4 4-1 UED
Team 2 4-2 TAKK
Team 8 4-2 Courage
SKT3 4-2 ACE
Team 1 and Star Maknaes havent publicly reported their game, have they played yet?
ok, edited
TAKK 4-1'd Team 2.
I'd also like to extend my apologies to Nikon and L_Master in specific for the drama caused here. The drama caused by the WO's in the chat got to me and I wanted to grief Team 2 for it because the idea of a WO in a fun league is alien to me. The behaviour of one of their players wasn't great, but what I did was not acceptable and caused a lot of drama here that was unneccesary. Nikon, you're putting a lot of effort into this and I really appreciate that and enjoy the league. LMaster, you're a great guy and a good caster so keep it up as well. I'd also like to apologize to the mannered members of Team 2 that just played their games and got caught in the crossfire. Let's hope we can keep this incident free in the future.
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On March 19 2012 09:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 07:42 fabiano wrote:
So whats the situation rightnow? So far I gathered this data from the thread:
Team 4 4-1 UED
Team 2 4-2 TAKK
Team 8 4-2 Courage
SKT3 4-2 ACE
Team 1 and Star Maknaes havent publicly reported their game, have they played yet?
ok, edited TAKK 4-1'd Team 2. I'd also like to extend my apologies to Nikon and L_Master in specific for the drama caused here. The drama caused by the WO's in the chat got to me and I wanted to grief Team 2 for it because the idea of a WO in a fun league is alien to me. The behaviour of one of their players wasn't great, but what I did was not acceptable and caused a lot of drama here that was unneccesary. Nikon, you're putting a lot of effort into this and I really appreciate that and enjoy the league. LMaster, you're a great guy and a good caster so keep it up as well. I'd also like to apologize to the mannered members of Team 2 that just played their games and got caught in the crossfire. Let's hope we can keep this incident free in the future.
Same as above for me but i mostly sorry for sabas for him getting perm banned on this site :'(
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In season one I almost included a note on the rules: "This is a teamleague for D ranks, leave your ego at the door." but I didn't want to insult prospective players. I think everyone needs to settle down and get over themselves here instead of raging so much about whether or not someone is smurfing the league at C- (still not very good) or trying to get walkovers at any cost.
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On March 19 2012 09:59 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 09:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 19 2012 07:42 fabiano wrote:
So whats the situation rightnow? So far I gathered this data from the thread:
Team 4 4-1 UED
Team 2 4-2 TAKK
Team 8 4-2 Courage
SKT3 4-2 ACE
Team 1 and Star Maknaes havent publicly reported their game, have they played yet?
ok, edited TAKK 4-1'd Team 2. I'd also like to extend my apologies to Nikon and L_Master in specific for the drama caused here. The drama caused by the WO's in the chat got to me and I wanted to grief Team 2 for it because the idea of a WO in a fun league is alien to me. The behaviour of one of their players wasn't great, but what I did was not acceptable and caused a lot of drama here that was unneccesary. Nikon, you're putting a lot of effort into this and I really appreciate that and enjoy the league. LMaster, you're a great guy and a good caster so keep it up as well. I'd also like to apologize to the mannered members of Team 2 that just played their games and got caught in the crossfire. Let's hope we can keep this incident free in the future. Same as above for me but i mostly sorry for sabas for him getting perm banned on this site :'(
You didn't log on his account and post what he posted, you have nothing to be sorry for. He did it to himself. BM = ban.
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