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On September 17 2011 22:14 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 22:12 magicbullet wrote:
Why did jangbi produce so many observers? I thought fantasy had kept his wraith out of sight. Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 22:14 Sufficiency wrote:On September 17 2011 22:12 magicbullet wrote:
Why did jangbi produce so many observers? I thought fantasy had kept his wraith out of sight. When you are at an advantage, you think of the WORST CASE SCENARIO that can possibly happen that will make you lose. And the answer is wraith. It's pretty simple logic. I would have done the same thing... no progaming experience required. I would say... when he saw fantasy snipe the first 2 observers with his goliaths he probably knew something was up, so he made more.
I seriously doubt that. Fantasy could have done that to try to snipe carriers... but he only saw obs, so he killed obs. That's also a possible scenario. If Fantasy saw carriers with the scan he would have gone after the carriers.
Like I said, I think anyone who is reasonably good at any strategy game in Jangbi's situation will prepare for the worst case scenario when he was clearly winning. Also, Jangbi could probably tell what is going on based on how few tanks Fantasy made.
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Australia7069 Posts
OGN tend to be a bit slower on their vods than mbc 
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Wasn't able to catch the games. But congrats to Jangbi!
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more and more I'm thinking about this, Fantasy had incredible begining in game 5...and very poor later game. Nervous guy...
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On September 17 2011 22:14 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 22:12 magicbullet wrote:
Why did jangbi produce so many observers? I thought fantasy had kept his wraith out of sight. When you are at an advantage, you think of the WORST CASE SCENARIO that can possibly happen that will make you lose. And the answer is wraith. It's pretty simple logic. I would have done the same thing... no progaming experience required.
That, and it's just natural use of resources. Carrier builds are heavy on minerals and light on gas. Yet it also requires quick 2nd gas because the initial gas usage is high. But once the carriers are in full force, it's mostly minerals that's important.
Plus, I believe Jangbi's mineral probes were harassed a lot more than his gas ones. So he should've had tons of gas throughout the game. Unfortunately, the game was so intense I didn't exactly pay attention to details.
I think against most other terrans, Jangbi would've gone templars. But he might've feared Fantasy's vultures and decides to go goon-heavy which leaves a lot of gas unused.
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Ultimately, Jangbi won because of Path Finder. Despite its apparent favouritism to Terran, it is evident that the logistics is way too difficult when the Protoss goes carriers. We saw in both games that Fantasy setup a base at Jangbi's third and built turrents like crazy. But all those investments went to waste when Fantasy could not keep up reinforcing that outpost with more tanks, so eventually Jangbi just rolled it over with Dragoons. That's how he won both games.
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No jangbi storm, but not much fantasy vultures either. 
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And now i have to go back with my tail between my legs to the SC2 community haha. I will promise myself to watch starleague more regularly again though. It sounds stupid but Jangbi just brought all the passion that had slowly dwindled away back into my heart. And i remembered what it was like to be part of this community that doesn't constantly have inane whining and is so passionate. I feel like i've gone back in time to a few years ago. It's a nice feeling .
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I haven't been this happy since Effort beat Flash.
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On September 17 2011 22:19 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 22:14 Sufficiency wrote:On September 17 2011 22:12 magicbullet wrote:
Why did jangbi produce so many observers? I thought fantasy had kept his wraith out of sight. When you are at an advantage, you think of the WORST CASE SCENARIO that can possibly happen that will make you lose. And the answer is wraith. It's pretty simple logic. I would have done the same thing... no progaming experience required. That, and it's just natural use of resources. Carrier builds are heavy on minerals and light on gas. And while I can't really tell, I believe Jangbi's mineral probes were harassed a lot more than his gas ones. So he should've had tons of gas throughout the game. Unfortunately, the game was so intense I didn't exactly pay attention to details. I think against most other terrans, Jangbi would've gone templars. But he might've feared Fantasy's vultures and decides to go goon-heavy which leaves a lot of gas unused.
I say it was the same was he smelt the first vulture drop coming.
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United Arab Emirates5090 Posts
god when jangbi came out and got the award and cried
I cried a little too
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Japan11285 Posts
What I still can't understand is how did Jangbi know the drop was coming?
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On September 17 2011 22:19 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 22:14 Sufficiency wrote:On September 17 2011 22:12 magicbullet wrote:
Why did jangbi produce so many observers? I thought fantasy had kept his wraith out of sight. When you are at an advantage, you think of the WORST CASE SCENARIO that can possibly happen that will make you lose. And the answer is wraith. It's pretty simple logic. I would have done the same thing... no progaming experience required. That, and it's just natural use of resources. Carrier builds are heavy on minerals and light on gas. And while I can't really tell, I believe Jangbi's mineral probes were harassed a lot more than his gas ones. So he should've had tons of gas throughout the game. Unfortunately, the game was so intense I didn't exactly pay attention to details. I think against most other terrans, Jangbi would've gone templars. But he might've feared Fantasy's vultures and decides to go goon-heavy which leaves a lot of gas unused.
I actually think he was clearly conscious of wraiths the whole time on set 5. He carefully separated his obs and stacked the ones following the carrier. There were a few occasions which he initially made all obs go together then separated them into two groups.
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On September 17 2011 22:19 Sufficiency wrote:
Ultimately, Jangbi won because of Path Finder. Despite its apparent favouritism to Terran, it is evident that the logistics is way too difficult when the Protoss goes carriers. We saw in both games that Fantasy setup a base at Jangbi's third and built turrents like crazy. But all those investments went to waste when Fantasy could not keep up reinforcing that outpost with more tanks, so eventually Jangbi just rolled it over with Dragoons. That's how he won both games.
This sounds a bit too close like balance whining to me 
Thanks everyone for the advice about VODs, though. TL is as always amazing!
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On September 17 2011 22:21 c3rberUs wrote:
What I still can't understand is how did Jangbi know the drop was coming?
It's Pathfinder.
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Oh God now I`m so sad that I can`t watch this again with Nuke`s commentary without knowing the results . Well I guess a simple memory erase will do it.
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On September 17 2011 22:21 c3rberUs wrote:
What I still can't understand is how did Jangbi know the drop was coming?
Fantasy used dropship against stork (jangbi's teammate) on that very same map
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United Arab Emirates5090 Posts
On September 17 2011 22:20 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 22:19 baubo wrote:On September 17 2011 22:14 Sufficiency wrote:On September 17 2011 22:12 magicbullet wrote:
Why did jangbi produce so many observers? I thought fantasy had kept his wraith out of sight. When you are at an advantage, you think of the WORST CASE SCENARIO that can possibly happen that will make you lose. And the answer is wraith. It's pretty simple logic. I would have done the same thing... no progaming experience required. That, and it's just natural use of resources. Carrier builds are heavy on minerals and light on gas. And while I can't really tell, I believe Jangbi's mineral probes were harassed a lot more than his gas ones. So he should've had tons of gas throughout the game. Unfortunately, the game was so intense I didn't exactly pay attention to details. I think against most other terrans, Jangbi would've gone templars. But he might've feared Fantasy's vultures and decides to go goon-heavy which leaves a lot of gas unused. I say it was the same was he smelt the first vulture drop coming.
fantasy took his nat very late so he predicted that dropship coming,
then it was a case of both knowing jangbi went carriers, and low tank count means it must be cloaked wraiths. fantasy didn't attack because he saw jangbi had 5 speedobs following carriers everywehre so he knew that he knew, would be bad idea to attack. in the final push he had to use wraiths but was squeezed out of him.
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United States10328 Posts
pathfinder has short air distance anyway, plus fantasy loves dropships sooo yep
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i regret turning off my computer... why did i doubt.....
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