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[OSL] Jin Air OSL Grand Final - Page 294

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pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
September 17 2011 13:23 GMT
#5861
On September 17 2011 22:21 c3rberUs wrote:
What I still can't understand is how did Jangbi know the drop was coming?

fantasy 2 vult drop harasses all the time
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
September 17 2011 13:23 GMT
#5862
On September 17 2011 22:09 Vuk_91 wrote:
So now that the hype is at least almost gone,I have to ask: Was this the worst control of Gol + Tanks army ever? I mean tanks were always so far behind goliaths so Jangbi (with his flawless control I must add) picked insane number of Goliaths with dragoons. Then when he starts retreating from Goons he picks another 2-3 with his carrier. All that time Fantasy is in the middle of the map,not atacking Jangbi and not defending his main nor his 3rd which becomes an easy targer for Jangbi twice! Then he starts a push,Jangbi goes for the main and leaves his 3rd without any defense but no,fantasy decides not to go for it because of...2 cannons? Meanwhile his wraiths are doing apsolutly nothing. And on top of all that,I have to say I watched quite a few games of BroodWar,but never seen Protoss winning from 80 to 140 supply deficit + 2 vs 3 bases.


They both choked a little . JangBi could have finished fantasy in game 4 , but some bad decisions on his part ended up draging it to game 5 . I got to question Fantasy's decisions to push the back of JangBi's main and natural against 2 base carriers in game 1 and 5 . Units where easily picked off back there while you can't really damage the carriers unless JangBi missmicros . Also in game 3 JangBi harrased with 3-4 zealots at the start and while Fantasy microed pretty well and lost almost nothing except 4 SCV mining time , he started his natural pretty late coupled with the fact that he took significant loses to the 2 shuttle harass he ended up being steamrolled .
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
September 17 2011 13:23 GMT
#5863
On September 17 2011 22:21 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 22:21 c3rberUs wrote:
What I still can't understand is how did Jangbi know the drop was coming?

It's Pathfinder.

But JB didn't do that during the first game, did he?
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 13:24:21
September 17 2011 13:24 GMT
#5864
On September 17 2011 22:23 pyrogenetix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 22:21 c3rberUs wrote:
What I still can't understand is how did Jangbi know the drop was coming?

fantasy 2 vult drop harasses all the time

Yeah and well, you don't just go and win an OSL.
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
September 17 2011 13:24 GMT
#5865
Everyone, lets show jangbi we love him and tweet @jangbitoss with congratulations!
Writer
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 17 2011 13:24 GMT
#5866
On September 17 2011 22:21 c3rberUs wrote:
What I still can't understand is how did Jangbi know the drop was coming?


Short air distance.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
September 17 2011 13:24 GMT
#5867
On September 17 2011 22:17 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 22:14 synapse wrote:
On September 17 2011 22:12 magicbullet wrote:
Why did jangbi produce so many observers? I thought fantasy had kept his wraith out of sight.

On September 17 2011 22:14 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 17 2011 22:12 magicbullet wrote:
Why did jangbi produce so many observers? I thought fantasy had kept his wraith out of sight.


When you are at an advantage, you think of the WORST CASE SCENARIO that can possibly happen that will make you lose. And the answer is wraith. It's pretty simple logic. I would have done the same thing... no progaming experience required.


I would say... when he saw fantasy snipe the first 2 observers with his goliaths he probably knew something was up, so he made more.


I seriously doubt that. Fantasy could have done that to try to snipe carriers... but he only saw obs, so he killed obs. That's also a possible scenario. If Fantasy saw carriers with the scan he would have gone after the carriers.

Like I said, I think anyone who is reasonably good at any strategy game in Jangbi's situation will prepare for the worst case scenario when he was clearly winning. Also, Jangbi could probably tell what is going on based on how few tanks Fantasy made.

the carriers were in range of the goliaths. you don't go around wasting shots focus firing observers vs carriers, it was pretty obvious that he was trying to kill jangbi's detection...
:)
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 17 2011 13:25 GMT
#5868
On September 17 2011 22:23 c3rberUs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 22:21 Ryo wrote:
On September 17 2011 22:21 c3rberUs wrote:
What I still can't understand is how did Jangbi know the drop was coming?

It's Pathfinder.

But JB didn't do that during the first game, did he?


Speaking of which, what DID he do in set 1 anyways?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Vuk_91
Profile Joined September 2010
Serbia1690 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 13:26:04
September 17 2011 13:25 GMT
#5869
On September 17 2011 22:23 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 22:09 Vuk_91 wrote:
So now that the hype is at least almost gone,I have to ask: Was this the worst control of Gol + Tanks army ever? I mean tanks were always so far behind goliaths so Jangbi (with his flawless control I must add) picked insane number of Goliaths with dragoons. Then when he starts retreating from Goons he picks another 2-3 with his carrier. All that time Fantasy is in the middle of the map,not atacking Jangbi and not defending his main nor his 3rd which becomes an easy targer for Jangbi twice! Then he starts a push,Jangbi goes for the main and leaves his 3rd without any defense but no,fantasy decides not to go for it because of...2 cannons? Meanwhile his wraiths are doing apsolutly nothing. And on top of all that,I have to say I watched quite a few games of BroodWar,but never seen Protoss winning from 80 to 140 supply deficit + 2 vs 3 bases.


They both choked a little . JangBi could have finished fantasy in game 4 , but some bad decisions on his part ended up draging it to game 5 . I got to question Fantasy's decisions to push the back of JangBi's main and natural against 2 base carriers in game 1 and 5 . Units where easily picked off back there while you can't really damage the carriers unless JangBi missmicros . Also in game 3 JangBi harrased with 3-4 zealots at the start and while Fantasy microed pretty well and lost almost nothing except 4 SCV mining time , he started his natural pretty late coupled with the fact that he took significant loses to the 2 shuttle harass he ended up being steamrolled .

For that 4th game I also said it before: Fantasy failed to multitask in the early game,there`s no other explanation.
*3rd game
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
September 17 2011 13:25 GMT
#5870
On September 17 2011 22:23 c3rberUs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 22:21 Ryo wrote:
On September 17 2011 22:21 c3rberUs wrote:
What I still can't understand is how did Jangbi know the drop was coming?

It's Pathfinder.

But JB didn't do that during the first game, did he?

Spawning positions were different.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
September 17 2011 13:25 GMT
#5871
RIP Kong Line.
Remember Violet.
4vvhiplash7
Profile Joined December 2010
South Africa392 Posts
September 17 2011 13:26 GMT
#5872
On September 17 2011 22:14 SeaSwift wrote:
I only saw games 1 and 2, but then I had an essay to write

Where can I find VODs of games 3-5? I'm new to BW ^_^

EDIT: Of course, the stream just finished, so I'm not expecting there to be VODs straight away, but I assume there is a centralized place to get them at some point?


On YouTube look for a channel called nevake. Moktira uploads to that channel at lightning speed after games...
macmann
Profile Joined May 2011
87 Posts
September 17 2011 13:26 GMT
#5873
On September 17 2011 22:25 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 22:23 c3rberUs wrote:
On September 17 2011 22:21 Ryo wrote:
On September 17 2011 22:21 c3rberUs wrote:
What I still can't understand is how did Jangbi know the drop was coming?

It's Pathfinder.

But JB didn't do that during the first game, did he?


Speaking of which, what DID he do in set 1 anyways?

pretty much same as game 5.
12 nex into carriers
KenNage
Profile Joined May 2009
Chile885 Posts
September 17 2011 13:26 GMT
#5874
holy dicks that last game was intense
rainei
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada1316 Posts
September 17 2011 13:26 GMT
#5875
On September 17 2011 22:01 itsdaniel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 21:56 rainei wrote:
On September 17 2011 21:51 itsdaniel wrote:
[image loading]

in tears!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!


good stuff! Was your friend there? I think he has been giving you some shoutouts, at least for the soo/flash games! I envy you so hard!


yes he was.... Harry can be seen after the start of Map 1 when he took a huge bite of some kind of meat next to his cheering card... He is the only fan with a khan uniform!


ah yes. I was thinking that only you and him would have the uniform, since I don't think I've ever seen any korean with a team jersey at all. (except Harry of course!)
All aboard the HSY fanboat/train/ whatever form of transportation you desire!! Everyday is Sojin day
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
September 17 2011 13:26 GMT
#5876
Besides the semifinals, that was almost the roughest path to an OSL win you could possibly have.

Qualifiers: knocked out by Soo
Ro16: almost eliminated 1-2, saved by tiebreak
Ro8: down 1 game vs Flash
Finals: 2-2, 30 supply deficit in final game

That's mental fortitude. After so many hurdles, I don't know WHAT he was thinking in the final game when he was so far behind.
May the BeSt man win.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
September 17 2011 13:26 GMT
#5877
what was crucial is that Fantasy was floating 1.5 both gas and minerals when JB was pressuring him, JB proved to be stronger mentally even he was in big disadvantage
Stork[gm]
Skeggaba
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1556 Posts
September 17 2011 13:26 GMT
#5878
I have really been trying to get into SC2, but it just doesnt bring me the same excitement as BW does. BW>SC2, and i wish that they could work in a symbiosis.
Unfortunately there´s money in SC2, and its a newer, better looking game with a bigger fanbase.

After this finals i doubt that SC is gone forever. Maybe they´ll cancel MSL but i hope to god that they keep OSL and the team matches, even though there might be fewer teams. Well that doesnt really bother me much, just expand OSL a little bit (maybe BO5 a bit eariler in the tournament, longer group stages) and ill be fine with it only being 4-5 teams with 10 players each.

With that said: GREAT finals, even though there wasn´t any zergs involved. I feel sad for Fantasy but JANGI you are the real champ.
Thanks for streams!
Bisu[about JD]=I was scared (laughs). The force emanating from his facial expression was so manly that I was even a little jealous.
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
September 17 2011 13:27 GMT
#5879
OSL must not vanish ~.~
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
September 17 2011 13:27 GMT
#5880
On September 17 2011 22:25 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 22:23 c3rberUs wrote:
On September 17 2011 22:21 Ryo wrote:
On September 17 2011 22:21 c3rberUs wrote:
What I still can't understand is how did Jangbi know the drop was coming?

It's Pathfinder.

But JB didn't do that during the first game, did he?


Speaking of which, what DID he do in set 1 anyways?

12 nex into carriers into backyard defense into goon attack at nat, IIRC.

Ok, now I understand.
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
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